Inauguration Prayer Service bringing new hope to people of faith. In this episode get an insider’s look into the prayer service with Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence. Find out their responses to many pastors you may have heard of who spoke and prayed over the new president and vice president’s life. Tune in now to find out more!

Air Date: 02/16/2017


Guests: Tim Wildmon, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Welcome

Rick:

You’ve found yourself at the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live we appreciate you joining us today! We’re discussing today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and culture all from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

Doing that with David Barton.  He’s America’s premier historian and our founder and president here at WallBuilders Live. Also Tim Barton, national speaker, and pastor. And my name is Rick Green I’m a former Texas state representative.

You can find out more about us in the program and what WallBuilders is up to at our websites WallBuilders.com and WallBuildersLive.com. A wealth of information both websites, both of them new, power powerpack with some killer information.

I mean, guys, I’m amazed at the technology and how you can flow through that website and learn so much and even just flipping through website without even getting into an article or listening to a DVD,  There’s a lot on those new websites.

New Website With Lots Of Resources

Tim:

There is a ton of content on the new website! I’m so impressed.  The guy that did it for us did an incredible job! It really does make it fun to just sit there, and now with the scrolling screen,  You’re right, Rick, you don’t even have to go anywhere and it’s shown you so much information.

It’s remarkable how much information that’s there that even we’ve kind of forgotten about that is now being brought back to life just with this new website, being able to see it again. And so there is a ton of stuff there for people to get on and definitely learn some more.

David:

And you know it is interesting too, it took us a while to find somebody who could do it. When he went through I mean he’s really good.  He went through he said, “There is so much here!” It took him forever to map it all out and get it all with all the layers there.

And then on top of that we run about eight different websites. And so he had to interconnect all of them and have a search function that would go just through eight websites and by the time you take all the stuff we’ve got it is so rich and so deep.  Now it is so fast and so easy to navigate. It really is cool what he’s done!

And the same with WallBuilders Live website.  We’ve got transcriptions of all the broadcast up there now. We’ve got just so much we didn’t have before it is really cool!

Rick:

One thing I love about what he did, I’ve had people have ask me in the past, “I go to the website and I’m trying to figure out, what do you guys really do? Like how do I explain what WallBuilders is?” And that was always kind of difficult.

He did a masterful job. Now, man, you go to that home page and it’s so explanatory, so quick and easy to figure out, really lets you know about all of our different activities and programs and in a great way. So just encourage folks to check it out, WallBuilders.com and then also WallBuildersLive.com.

Inauguration Bringing New Hope

Guys, later in the program are going to have Tim Wildmon with us. He got to go to one of– the private prayer service the morning of the Inauguration with President Trump and Vice-President Pence and so really cool. David, you were out there as well at the at the Inauguration and just seems to be a real sense of hope right now that we have a chance to turn things around.

David:

At the time of the Inauguration, there was a lot of optimism, a lot of, “Boy, I sure hope this works out.” In the several weeks since then it’s been, “Wow! This is amazing, how fast this is going!”

And so already what’s happened with the executive orders to reverse Obama’s executive orders with what the House and Senate have started moving through with the appointments not only at the cabinet level but all the way down in the lower levels commissions, and boards, and everything else, we’re just sitting back saying, “I don’t think in my lifetime I have seen a conservative group in Washington as many as there are now.”

By the way, in my lifetime out of the 19 cabinet level groups and agencies that meet at that level, they have 10 open evangelicals heading those 19. That hasn’t happened before not even under George W. Bush who is very open about faith and very outspoken about faith. First one start putting Bible verses on Christmas cards at the White House. I mean nobody has come close to what Trump’s done.

More Prayer Than Any Other Previous Inauguration

So, optimism is what was there. But since then, it’s been a lot of hope as well, because now there’s some substance to what we were hoping for back then. What was interesting is, if you will, this inaugural church service that happened, and it’s traditional, it’s gone on for a long time. Presidents go to St. John Presbyterian church before inauguration to spend time there.

That’s where, for example, you had Eisenhower that went and they took communion that morning. All that’s been part of this tradition for a long time.

And as it happened, the day before there was a huge gathering we had as part of the inaugural activities, Christian activities, there was a big prayer gathering that occurred over at Greater New Hope Baptist Church.

It used the Jewish synagogue.  It’s now a black church. Big massive church, historical church. They moved into it under President William McKinley back in 1800’s, great church. And so it was packed out and we talked about the religious activities that have occurred in previous inaugurations like George Washington where it was 8 religious activities. And just trying to set the tone for what inauguration was.

Then we’ll get to this prayer service and get to the inauguration.  And this inauguration actually had more prayer than any previous inauguration in history including George Washington.

Rick:

That’s pretty remarkable!

David:

That’s pretty remarkable! That is real remarkable! And for the first time since at least back with Bill Clinton and maybe before that, we didn’t screen the prayers to see what they had said in the past or what they had done in the past. We let them pray according to the dictates of conscience.

An Important Service To Be Apart Of

Nobody said, “No this is an ecumenical secular movement, so don’t use Jesus.” None of that was going on. And so Jewish rabbis prayed the way they wanted. Christian ministers prayed the way they wanted, and Catholics prayed the way they wanted.  And it was refreshing!

So, Tim Wildmon who was there wrote an article about what he saw just being in that service. It’s a tiny service, they only invited about 200 folks into that service with the president so it really is close. But then to have an eyewitness account of how religious it was, and what occurred in there, that’s something else that we’ll build hope.

Even though several weeks after the inauguration, this is worth sharing because this is the eyewitness account of something that happened with the president that nobody heard about. This wasn’t widely reported because the news wasn’t invited into this, media was not part of it. This is a private service but it’s really cool.

So Tim Wildmon with American Family Association. Tim was there, great guy.  We love working with him and doing things with him. He’s in D.C. and he’s got a great report on what happened in that inauguration prayer service.

Inaguration Prayer Service

Rick:

Yeah, looking forward to kind of getting a behind the scenes. I mean he’s going to take us there with a small group. I mean he was part of a very small group at that prayer service.

Just need to go behind the scenes to find out what it was like on that morning that we all kind of could tell the world is about to change in how important that service was as a part of that. Tim Wildmon from American Family Association when we return here on WallBuilders Live!

A Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Too often today history education excludes great black heroes from the American founding. Such as Lemuel Haynes.

Haynes, though abandoned as a baby, pioneer churches across upper New England. He became the first black American to pastor a white congregation, to receive an honorary master’s degree, and to be ordained by a mainstream Christian denomination, The Congregationalist.

He was a soldier during the American Revolution and in his churches on George Washington’s birthday he regularly preached sermons honoring George Washington. Even late in his life he expressed his willingness to go back to battle if necessary to protect America, which he called, “a sacred ark.”

American history is filled with numerous examples of black heroes who are largely ignored by mainstream education today. For more information about Pastor Lemuel Haynes and other colonial Patriots go to WallBuilders.com.

What Could Have Been

Rick:

Welcome back! Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live! Our good friend Tim Wildmon with us from American Family Association. Check them out at AFA.net. Tim, always good to have you, bro.

Tim:

Thank you, Rick, good to be on with you.

Rick:

Hey, I have heard so many cool stories from the Inauguration, from a lot of the hearings, appointments and a lot of stuff going on in D.C. in the last few weeks. But your article about your experience at the Inauguration the night before and early that morning before was just incredible! And we were hoping you’d share it with our listeners.

Tim:

Absolutely, Rick.  I would be glad to.  Incidentally, my dad, Don Wildman, he went to Reagan’s first inauguration and then he also took my brothers and sisters. I didn’t get to go.  I don’t know what happened, maybe I was grounded.

Rick:

Probably.

Tim:

Probably so, I was probably in trouble. But they went when Bush won, his inauguration.  But I’d never been to a presidential inauguration. We got invited to attend and got tickets to attend. So we went to Washington D.C. Very great party on Thursday night with a bunch of other Christian groups and people that we know and work with.  It was a celebration of the new day for our country with President Trump and Vice-President Pence.

Rick:

And how different that week could have been if it had gone the other way.

Tim:

I think drug addiction among Christians were shot up very much.

Rick:

At least mint chocolate chip ice cream addiction for sure. At least in our household, that’s what we were drowning in.

Tim:

Yeah, over the counter or over at the grocery store. We would have had addiction problems because of just sheer depression on the direction our country has taken. Now, Mr. Trump is not perfect by any means, but he’s a far, far, far better choice for Christians than Hillary Clinton would have been especially for the Supreme Court as we know.

Getting The Invite

But anyway, we were up there.  The party was winding down where we were at about 11:00 o’clock Thursday night.  And the next day was Friday the Inauguration. So, I got a call from a friend of mine who works for President Trump and who worked as a liaison to the Christian community.  My friend said to me, “Hey, I’ve got two places at the church service in the morning at 8:30 with President Trump and Vice-President Pence if you want to come.”

Rick:

Meaning the private service they go to before the Inauguration?

Tim:

Yes, the one at the historic St. James Church, St. John’s Church rather. As you know Rick, is a block north of the White House.  It’s called the Church of the Presidents and they’ve been hosting prayer and church services for presidents of both parties for, I don’t know, a century or so,

Rick:

And this is not thousands of people.  It’s a couple hundred at the most.

Tim:

Yeah, 200, I would say 200 maybe 225 something like that packed in that little church. So, what happened was, I said, “Sure, man, we’d love to do that!” In answer to my friend’s request. He said, “Well be at this other hotel, not the one we are staying at but be at this other hotel at 6:30 a.m. and to go through secret service security and board a bus and go to the church.”

So we didn’t get hardly any sleep at night because we are so excited.  Plus, Alice and my wife, like most women, takes her two hours to get ready. God bless them. You know, when a man can just take a shower and be ready in 20 minutes tops.

Rick:

Yeah, let’s go.

Making It Into The Service

Tim:

So we made sure we were at the hotel where we’re supposed to be.  Then we went through the secret service and waited about an hour in a holding area with two other people who were also invited to go, about 25 or 30 people that were on our bus. So then they put us on the bus and they gave us a police escort to go right up to the church.

We walked in and we sat down and we were about eight rows back from- Oh, as we walked in the front three rows were reserved. There was nobody sitting there. And the placards and calligraphy had reserved for Trump family, reserve for Pence family, and reserve for the secret service.

At that point you’re just going, “Wow, this is really going to happen. I’m really here.”

Rick:

And you said just a few rows back.

Tim:

Yeah, just a few rows back. So at 8:30, we got there at about 8:00, at 8:25-8:30 the Pence family, all of them, walked down the aisle. I mean, I could almost reach out and touch them. And then five minutes later here comes the Trump family, the whole crew, all of them, Ivanka, the two sons and their families, along with President Trump and his wife. And it was just surreal!

We were there, and you know I’m going, “The whole world is about to watch this man be inaugurated, and we’re just 25 feet from him.”

Rick:

Right, and Tim, I’ve got to say, I know you well enough to know, for guys like us this is not about hero worship of an individual.

Tim:

No.

Rick:

This is this is the man, the two men, that are about to be inaugurated in this incredible ceremony of peaceful transfer of power. It’s about the institutions and what the republic represents and all that. But you’re sitting here, I mean, you know they’re three or four hours away from that very important moment, and you’re right there with them at a prayer service!

Building The Walls

Tim:

Yeah exactly, I mean we were one of 200 people to be invited into this church service. Let me tell you about the church service,  I’ve been to a lot of these kind of ceremonies and they’re just that, there’s just ceremonies and there’s not much inspiration or scripture there. Well, that wasn’t the case here. Let me tell you, Dr. Robert Jeffress First Baptist.

Rick:

Yeah, from Dallas First Baptist.

Tim:

He preached for about 10 minutes out of the book of Nehemiah. One of the funny lines he had he looked at present Trump and he said, “You see Mr. Trump, even God is not opposed to building walls.”

Rick:

That’s great! You know we love that here at WallBuilders!

Tim:

Yeah, yeah exactly. So I thought it was funny that Dr. Jeffers preached it! Very powerful message in 10 minutes to Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence about the challenges that lie before them. And he really challenged them.

After that, Dr. James Dobson walked up front and asked Vice-President Pence to stand. So the whole crowd is sitting and on the front row or the second-row Vice-President Pence stands. And by the way, Dr. Dobson was requested to do this by Vice-President Pence.

He prayed for him and challenged him and said, “God has called you such a time as now and you need to be an example for Mr. Trump and you need to help lead this country in righteousness.”

Then James Robison came up.  Everybody knows James.  He’s an evangelist and has a television ministry based out of Dalla area.

He comes up to the front podium and asks, then President-Elect, Trump to stand. While president Trump is standing the whole audience is sitting. And then James Robinson is looking down on him and talked about the first time he met him, talked about the council he had given him, and you know James is a straight shooter.

Rick:

Oh man, yeah.

Momento’s For The Grandkids

Tim:

And James is going to give you the Bible and James is going to speak the word of the Lord.  He is friendly, and he’s cordial, and he’s mannerly but he’s going to tell you the truth. And he challenged Mr. Trump.

“For such a time as this.” He challenged him for about five minutes and then prayed over him. And after that, we sang a couple more hymns and ended with Onward Christian Soldiers, which I thought was funny because so many these liberal churches won’t even sing that anymore.

Anyway, then Mr. Pence and the Trump family they left and then everybody else got to leave. On the way out we were the last ones left.  My wife and I were the last ones in there, maybe there were two or three other people milling around. But they were like church members or something because it’s an active church. We saw that the placards that I mentioned earlier with the calligraphy names on there were still on the seats. So we decided they are probably going to get thrown in the garbage so we were going to take these. And we did.  We stole from the church.  <laughter>

Rick:

Now I know why your dad didn’t take you to the other inauguration.

Tim:

Right, you never can tell what I’m going to do.

Rick:

What a cool memento, though!

Tim:

Exactly.  Actually just to clarify for the legalists listening among us, we didn’t “steal” from the church.  They were left there and we took them up like you would a bulletin.  They were left on a seat. But My wife and I got those and we’re going to frame those and in a hundred years from now probably my great grandchildren will look at those.

In Tears Reading This Article

Rick:

Awe, that’s awesome. And that’s phenomenal, “clarifying for the legalists,” that’s fantastic. Tim, I got to tell you man, after I read your article I couldn’t help but think, you know, I watched it this time, I went to Bush’s.  Your dad said you’d been a bad boy so he took me.  No, he didn’t really take me.  But I was there.

I didn’t want to go.  I was afraid it was going to be too cold this time.  So we didn’t go this time.  So I watched it on TV. But just watching the scene as they’re coming down through the crypt area, and rotunda, the capital, and getting ready to go out on the steps and watching President Trump and just the facial expression he had was such a –I mean it looked to me like a serious determination like you know he’s on a mission.

After I read your article I couldn’t help but think, I mean, we don’t know what’s going on the guy’s heart. I mean we don’t right. But man I mean to to be able to even be receptive to stand there and have a blessing over you from Robinson like that and for Pence to actually ask Dobson who we know of, you know, we know what Dobson is to the country and the genuine man that he is for the direction the country and all that. I mean, I was in tears reading your description of that service because it just gives me hope for what these men might do over the next four years.And then you look at the actions they’ve been taken and there’s confirmation.

Is Trump A Biblical Man

Tim:

The team that Donald Trump is assembled around him, some I’m yet to be confirmed, Democrats are pitching a fit,  but they’ll be confirmed. This is the best that I think conservative Christians who believe in the Constitution could ask for. This is an all-star lineup.

I don’t know what’s going on here. Mr. Trump has lived his life well documented as the NY business tycoon who ran around with the women and lived a lifestyle that was far from anything we would consider Christian. And yet something happened to him. I don’t know exactly what, in the last 10 years I would say. I call him an old-school patriot.

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim:

He’s 70 years old so he remembers a time and an era when America was great in many respects. We know what we’re talking about by that. America was great. Many of the time-honored traditions, institutions, the God and Country spirit that America used to have has just been under siege by the secular leftist.

I don’t know that he has what you would call a “Biblical worldview”- yet- but we’re still praying for him. But to me, why would a gentleman like I’ve just described want to go to Indiana and pick a governor from a state that he’s already going to win, anyway?

Rick:

Right. That’s a solid Biblical worldview guy.

Tim:

Exactly, why would you want,  if you’re hostile to God, why would you want to pick an evangelical Christian to be your political soul mate for four years?

Trump Is Putting Good People Around Him

Rick:

And then be willing in the first week of office the Mexico City policy, and all the other pro-life, and other great things. I agree with you Tim, I think even if he doesn’t have a ”Biblical worldview” his gut reaction to stuff so far has been.  And the people he’s put around him. And he’s going to disappoint us in some way as with Pence or any other man. They’re all fallible, and all that. But man, as a whole, I’m just excited and thrilled and your perspective on what happened that morning really helps with that. Man, I got a call coming in from special agent FBI looking for you, “Where’s Tim Wildmon? I need to track down these placards.”  So I’ve got to let you go.

Tim:

With all that is going on in Washington, I don’t think they’re worried about that placards right now.

Rick:

Hey man, we really appreciate you sharing this story with us. And we’re going to have that article you did so folks can get more detail and share it and also get on your e-mail list because they’re going to be a lot of exciting things happen in 2017, potentially, a real pivot year for our country.

Tim:

Absolutely, there’s new hope in our country. We just need to keep pushing forward and pray for Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence and support him when we can.  Hopefully, that will be most of the time and hopefully, they will disappoint us too much.

Rick:

Amen. Tim.  Appreciate you, buddy. Keep up the great work over at AFA!

Tim:

Alright, thank you, Rick.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks! We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Sampson and Jezebel

Rick:

Welcome back! Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live! Thanks to Tim Wildmon for joining us today as well. We’re back now with David and Tim Barton.  

What a what a cool story just to be able to be there in that room.Very, very special and I’m just excited about the fact that both these men, Trump and Pence, how receptive to having these guys pray over them.  This is the tone we were hoping for.

David:

It is. Tim talked about it several times and you affirmed it that this is really an unexpected start religiously speaking from where Trump is. But I don’t think it’s necessarily surprising because I think Timothy hit it before the election saying, “What we’ve got here is a choice between Jezebel and Sampson.”

Sampson wasn’t known for his morality but my gosh, did he stand up and fight for God’s people. And so I think that’s what we found here is that Trump who had all the stories about immorality and all the things that came out with the piece before the election, etc.

Yeah, his personal morality is not where everybody would have wished it would be but at the same time, what he’s done to fight for God’s people since that point in time and what he’s still doing this is just kind of unprecedented.

Tim:

It’s pretty incredible, too, how much he’s embraced the people of God around him and seems to be desiring more of that. With what we’ve seen in the last several weeks with some of those people around him and in some of the prayer things that you’ll see. He posed a picture on Twitter of him praying and doing things and just certainly not from the outside what you thought you were going to maybe get.

And so it really is so encouraging to see how Trump is embracing faith and allowing faith to be a big part of his administration, which certainly is a change from what we’ve seen the last eight years.

Trump Is Very Teachable On Spiritual Things

Rick:

How much of this is it comes back to how much he can’t stand political correctness? It’s almost like he’s he’s riding the ship for us and saying, “Enough of Christians, who are the majority of the country, being pushed into the corner until they can express their faith, and we celebrate everybody else’s. It’s time for us to make sure that Christians can freely express their faith as well.”

David:

Well, most secular thinking folks don’t have a great concern for Christians or Jews or any other religious people at all. I think what you have here is a guy who really has a tender heart toward God but he’s very untaught toward God. And when God people get around him he really gets focused and he listens and a lot of this is like new stuff to him but he doesn’t reject it. He doesn’t like have a hardness there that doesn’t want to hear the God stuff.  He wants to hear it, that’s the people around him.

So it’s unusual have kind of a secular guy like that that really is responsive to God things, but that’s what we’re seeing here. And man what a great start.  He looks to be a very teachable guy on spiritual things.

Rick:

Very, very exciting. Thanks to Tim Wildmon for joining us today, folks. We’re out of time but we appreciate you being with us here on WallBuilders Live!