Religious Persecution Is Coming To An End, One More Win For Our First Amendment, Good News Friday

Religious Persecution Is Coming To An End, One More Win For Our First Amendment: Good News Friday today on WallBuilders Live! Lately, we have more good news than we have time to share, which is good news in itself! Tune in now to hear about just some of the good things that have been happening in our country recently. In this episode, we discuss things such as, the truth about North Carolina’s bathroom bill affecting their economy, the man who saved a cop’s life, a win for stopping religion persecution, and so much more!

Air Date: 04/07/2017

Guests: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture, this is WallBuilders Live! It’s a Friday so it is Good News Friday! Everyday we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, always looking at it from Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Here on Friday we bring you some good news from across the nation and sometimes across the world!

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premiere historian and the founder of WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, president of WallBuilders, national speaker, and pastor, And my name’s Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state rep, national speaker, and author.

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The Truth About The Bathroom Bill Affecting The On Economy

David, Tim, Good News Friday today, always looking forward to this with you guys, get a little pick me up from some good news that I doubt I’ve heard on any major media outlets, not that I really pay attention to the major media outlets, but since I don’t pay attention to them I had to get my news from you guys on Friday. So, glad you’re bringing me some good news.


Well, last week we finished up the March Madness. Now we’ve got the national champion, great. Interestingly, back at the start of the March Madness thing generally you have the Eastern Conference tournament that happens in North Carolina, usually Greensboro etc. But because North Carolina passed what they call the “bathroom bill” which it’s not, it’s a teenage privacy protection act. But because they passed that then the NCAA has said, “Well, we’re not holding the tournament there in such a discriminatory state. We’re going to punish you.”

Then you had the NBA said, “Well, we’re not doing the all-star game in Charlotte. We’re leaving the state because if you got that policy we just won’t be there.” So, just the economic hail storm hit these guys in North Carolina, and one company after another, one group after another has announced all this economic punitive penalties against North Carolina how they’re going to punish them for this.

So because of all this it’s caused a group called equality in North Carolina which is the pro-LGBT  group there in the state. They’ve made the announcement, I’m just quoting from them, “It’s a universally agreed upon fact that at this point HB too is hurting the state of North Carolina economically.” And certainly the evidence would sure seem to look like it.

Matter of fact, I saw just this week a report came out from AP, I probably trust Huffington Post more than I trust AP, but AP came out with a report that says, “The economic impact on North Carolina has been a negative nearly three billion dollars in impact.”

So North Carolina has really been punished for for passing this teenage Privacy Protection Act. At least, that’s what’s claimed. Until you get to the reports that nobody’s talking about.

Since they did the boycott in North Carolina tourism has thrived, hotel occupancy room rates are higher than they were the year before, and the year in hotel lodging report is up significantly. And North Carolina is now fourth in the nation for attracting and expanding businesses. They’ve had two hundred eighty nine major projects come in, their seventh in projects per capita, and according to that the rankings are even higher now than the new ones coming out. On top of that, North Carolina finished first for drawing corporate facilities in the state’s south Atlantic region-


Sounds like they’re really suffering.


Oh yeah, it’s hurting these guys. Then in November, just three or four months ago, both Forbes and Site Selection magazine ranked North Carolina as the number two state in the nation for business climate. Also, their unemployment rate is at 5.3 percent.

Now, I’m not sure how these guys are suffering economically with that. As a matter of fact, all the indicators are exactly the opposite. So the politically correct thing to do is to say, “See, because these guys were so discriminatory and supported traditional genders, male and female, it’s really cost them economically.” I don’t think so.

They’ve been moving up in the state and now this is the third report I’ve seen in the last month of the booming North Carolina economy since the passage of that bill. So good news, traditional values do work. When there are more people who support them than people who oppose them, even though the noises made in the media, and particularly AP is not a reliable source in my opinion. They continue to be an evangelists for their own viewpoints, they don’t report the news very well. Despite reports like that, great news coming from North Carolina.

Boycotting North Carolina Has Boosted Their Economy


What you just shared is not one anecdotal kind of story of one business or one thing. That’s up and down the line, it’s been really good.


There are several national news sources that have gone and examined the facts. Three major ones have come out with the same kind of numbers I’ve just read here. There’s other numbers I could go through as well. But source after source has looked at it and has said this.

The sources that just want to quote North Carolina equality and the propaganda they put out, say, “It’s really hurt them. Three billion dollars they’ve lost.” Really? Where? No economic report says that.


Some side say you can’t just look at the numbers. You have to look deeper than the numbers. Well what’s deeper than the economics and numbers we are looking at?


It’s philosophy.


That’s what they’re pointing out. “You don’t look at the numbers. Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain.” That’s kind of thier cry. But if you just pay attention you go, “Wait a second, this wasn’t detrimental. In fact, it looks like this benefited the state having this common sense position that people have rewarded them for.”


We already looked at the one report from a few weeks ago where that at that point in time North Carolina had before the boycott they were number nine on that most economically sound state in the United States list. After the boycott then went to number five on the best most economically sound. So I guess you just ignore those numbers. Well that’s obviously what the other side is claiming, “Ignore the numbers.”


That’s what they’d rather us do instead of looking at the good news, which is why we bring the good news here on WallBuilders Live! Stay with us folks, we’ll be right back and take a quick break right here on WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment in American history. America is a special and unique nation. The average length for a constitution in other countries is only 17 years. But we’ve had ours for over two centuries. Our 4 percent of the world’s population produces 24 percent of the world’s gross domestic product and every year we produce more inventions and technology than the other 96 percent of the world combined.

In 1831 Alexis de Tocqueville of France came to America, traveled the country, and in his famous book, “Democracy in America”, reported,  “The position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional. It may be believed that no Democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one.”

This is the origin of the phrase “American exceptionalism” and affirms that America is unique because of the distinctive ideas on which we’ve been based. Including in inalienable rights, individuals, and limited government, and the importance of religion, and morality. For more information about American exceptionalism go to

The Good Samaritan Who Saved A Cop’s Life


Welcome back, thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live on this Good News Friday. David was closing out, so, Tim?


This one is from Arizona. Guys, this is a very interesting case that happened. Actually, it involves an officer who had what he thought was routine scenario. He gets out, engages the driver, and he gets shot by the individual.

The officer says it is kind of this one in a million chance, because he was wearing a vest and it went just beside the edge of his vest and hit him in the arm. But it really kind of kept him from being able to maneuver with his gun hand so he couldn’t draw a firearm.

Well, the bad guy with the gun engages the officer fires multiple rounds, only hits the officer once. Well, the guy ran out of ammo. The officer is not able to engage returned fire because his good arm is down. So the bad guy charges the officer, uses the gun, and starts pistol whipping the officer, hits him upside the head.

Officer is on the ground, really just being beaten, getting kicked and getting punched. The officer had the presence of mind to realize that he couldn’t fight back very well, but he said, “I knew I needed to protect my gun because if this guy got the gun it is going to be over.”

So he’s laying on his gun side trying to protect the gun. As this happens the officer hears a gunshot, and kind of cognitive, comes to a little bit, and the bad guy is falling down. Well, in the midst of it, the officer then kind of remembers that somebody asked, “Do you need help?” And he said, “Yes, I need help”. And then it just kind of fuzzy for him.

Well the interesting part of the story is there was a guy who had a concealed weapon or actually had a weapon in his vehicle, wasn’t concealed, was traveling on the highway had a weapon in his vehicle. But, he had gotten in trouble as a kid and because of a past he was told that he wasn’t supposed to have a gun anymore.

So, he petitions this judge and says, “Please, what can we do?” He’s grown up in the country, the woods his whole life, he’s been a hunter. And so the day after he does his probation stuff they kind of reduce the sentence to where he now is able to once again purchase a firearm.

Well, many years pass now, and he’s driving down the highway. Well, he got passed by this patrol car, these lights flashing, so he was checking his speed thinking, “Ok, I’m ok, I’m ok.” And the officer goes by.

Well, a few miles down the road he sees this officer on the side of the road. And as he’s driving by he sees the officer on the ground getting whupped. And so he pulls over, gets his gun,  runs up, and says, “Do you need help?” The officer cries, “Yes.” So he engages the bad guy.

The Best Way To Stop A Bad Guy With A Gun Is A Good Guy With A Gun

The first multiple times he told the guy to get off the officer, to drop his gun. The guy didn’t do it. The guy kept beating the officer. So he engaged the target. But it’s this incredible story of a good Samaritan who instead of looking at a police officer and thinking, “These police officers are the problem.”  Which is a very different perspective, that you had someone with a gun, which the left wants us to believe that guns are the cause of all evils. But as Wayne LaPierre from the NRA points out, “The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

And this was a scenario where the police officer was the one that actually needed help and you had a good guy with a gun who was able to engage in the situation and protect and save the officer’s life.

No charges were brought against a good guy with a gun. The officer says that he and this guy will now forever be friends. They’ve got a bond that nothing can change, nothing can take away. The sheriff’s department locally credit this guy. And so just kind of one of these great stories that you don’t always hear about. The good guy with the gun doing good things. This was a scenario where had there not been a good guy with a gun this could have certainly ended in the death of the officer and been a very different story.


Like you said, the left wants to say, “The gun is the problem, the gun is the problem.” What would this guy have done if he hadn’t had a gun? He may have ended up jumping in. There are guys that can take on two or three people at a time.

So, no doubt about it. What a great redemption story, as you were saying, if I understood you right, the guy that saved the police officer had his own problems in the past. Did I understand that right?


Yes, he had gotten into legal trouble. I don’t remember all the details of the story. It seemed like it was something drug related. But because of the way that it was processed, because of the felony it was, he wasn’t supposed to have a gun anymore.

So he’s pleading, petitioning with the judge, the judge reduces the criminal charge against him, I guess from a felony misdemeanor, something in that range. And so he’s able to once again in the future possess a firearm.

Then lives his life clean, doing the right thing. But a guy who almost wasn’t able to have a gun even though growing up in the country, hunter, whatever, he wanted to be able to hunt in his future. It is kind of this neat redemption story where he did turn his life around. Then he was able to save a life in the midst of all that was going on. It’s a pretty cool story.

As Mikey Weinstein Lost His Power, Religion Gained It Back


Excellent story! David, what’s your next good news?


I’m going to the Air National Guard New Hampshire. At the base there, as it is with most bases and posts across the United States, when they have military ceremonies they have a chaplain pray. And that’s what they did there in New Hampshire. No big deal. It happens everywhere, except, Mikey Weinstein weighs in sending a letter saying, “You can’t pray at military ceremonies.”

For the past seven years when he calls the Pentagon he gets pretty quick response. I think it’s about to change. I think he’s going to start hearing some busy signals when he calls the Pentagon now.


Is this one of those moments “we’re not in Kansas anymore?”


We’re not in Kansas anymore. That’s exactly it. And we’re not in Obama land anymore where they don’t hate religion. And so at this point the it’s gone through all the letters back and forth. But the Air National Guard Base there in New Hampshire is going to continue having prayers.

The Air Force has come out and said, “No, we’re doing prayers at military ceremonies. We’re not going to change that. And it had been for at least six years the Air Force was the first one to jump out of the frying pan into the fire every time Mikey Weinstein sent a letter of demand.

For the last two years or so the Air Force has stopped doing that and to their credit they stopped it again now. Our friend Kelly Shackleford from First Liberty got a letter off to the military saying, “No, here’s the law and here’s what you can do.” And they’ve stayed right with it. But to the Air Force’s credit they’ve been strong for the last two years not backing down. So that’s that’s another victory.


By the way David, that’s a big change. Think of all the negative stories we’ve had about where the military how they’ve responded or tried to stop religious expression over the last, really, 10 years. It’s kind of nice to see these victories over the last year or so.

Mighty Oaks Warriors


It has been nice and one of our military friends Chad Robichaux who’s with Mighty Oaks Warriors program,   you may have seen on national news back before the election, there were about 130 military generals that got with with candidate Trump at that point.

Chad was one of the six guys who got to ask a question and said, “With all this PTSD stuff that’s going on, the only thing that has the high recovery stats for getting these guys healthy are faith based programs. In your administration will you support faith based programs?”

I mean Trump launched into it, absolutely. He went so much past where Chad asked him to go in saying, “I’m going to do that.” And so Chad has this great faith based recovery program for guys who really have tough problems with PTSD.

They are graduating out about 30-35 different classes a year of guys that go through this training program that have had trouble. In one of their recent classes graduated one of the guys came up and talked for about six minutes at the end and told what happened to him in that class he had just gone through with Mighty Oaks.

It’s a story worth hearing. So we’re going to come back and play the story of this Gunnery Sergeant. He’ll introduce himself, you’ll hear it. Fantastic story! I wish you could see this guy. He has about three NFL linebackers put together. He is wider than he is tall almost. I mean he is a tough guy. And you’ll hear that from him but it’s a great story of what’s happened in the military with faith based programs.


You don’t miss it. Stay with us, we’ll be right after the break here on WallBuilders Live!

Bring A Speaker To Your Area


Hey, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders.  And as you’ve had the opportunity to listen to WallBuilders Live, you’ve probably heard a wealth of information about our nation, about our spiritual heritage, about the religious liberties, and about all the things that make America exceptional. And you might be thinking, “As incredible as this information is, I wish there was a way that I could get one of the WallBuilders guys to come to my area and share with my group.”

Whether it be a church, whether it be a Christian school, or public school, or some political event, or activity, if you’re interested in having a WallBuilders speaker come to your area, you can get on our website at and there’s a tab for scheduling. If you’ll click on that tab, you’ll notice there’s a list of information from speakers bio’s, to events that are already going on. And there’s a section where you can request an event, to bring this information about who we are, where we came from, our religious liberties, and freedoms. Go to the WallBuilders website and bring a speaker to your area.

Mighty Oaks Testimony


Our second testimony this evening is from retired Marine Master Gunnery Sergeant, Joseph Pires, his tremendous testimony.


My name’s Joe. I’d like the share a story of events that basically led me to where I am today. I grew up in a Catholic upbringing. I started out from the age of 5 to 18  in Catholic school. I graduated high school, attended college, didn’t work out for me. Doesn’t everybody.

Some bad life choices in my adolescence led me to join the service. So the first recruiter I seen was the Marine Corps recruiter. He had some cool videos to show me and I was hooked.

I’ve had an extremely successful career. I’ve *** of Master Gunnery Sergeant in 18 years. Multiple combat tours to Iraq and to Afghanistan. I thought I was on top of the world but I was broke inside. I was suffering from this thing called PTSD. Depression, anxiety, I was lost.

I was too proud to ask for help, had too much pride. So I turned to alcohol and prescription drugs to numb that pain. I started abusing it, started abusing it so much that it not only affected me it affected my family, affected my friends, and it affected my relationship my children. So much so that I cannot see two of my children to this day.

I had two failed marriages, failed suicide attempts, and then the biggest blow is when the Marine Corps said I had to get out. They’ve lost all trust and confidence in my abilities to lead Marines.

So I was given two options. One was retire, the other one was to face court martial for the abuse of alcohol and drugs. The transition from Marines to civilian was like a slap in the face. I didn’t know what to do. I was last. Here I am leading marines, hundreds of thousands of Marines. And now I’m by myself, I have no place to go.

I had to move in with my mother. I was in and out of a hospital for the last year. Seven times I was institutionalized. During his time I met my current wife Melissa and she’s a blessing. She has put up with so much. She’s seen the anger, the hate, the rage, the disappointment, she’s seen me at my worst.

But she had so much patience with me. And she suffered through all the pain that I have. And she never left my side. On September 20th 2016 I left home and I had a plan. My plan was, I was taking my life.

I went to a liquor store. I got me a liter of vodka. I had my pills. I barricaded myself in a hotel. I didn’t tell her where I was, I didn’t tell anybody where I was. That night I continued to drink and take my pills.

Some time I passed out, I don’t know when I blacked out. The hotel phone rang probably about 9:00 in the morning. It was Melissa asking me what I was doing. “Are you ok?” And I said, “I’m fine. I just want to be by myself.”

She came to the hotel that I was staying at and she banged on the door and said, “Joe please open the door. I want you to come home.” I said, “I’m not coming home. I’m tired. I just want to end it.” finally I open the door. She said, “If you don’t come I’m going to call the police.” At that time I looked at her I said, “Bye.” And I jumped. I jumped out the window. It was about 60-70 feet high. I want to die.

I missed the pavement by foot. Two days later I woke up in a hospital. I was broke. Not only physically, emotionally, but mentally as well. She reached out to my friends asking, “What can I do to help Joe? What can I do?”

And a buddy of mine named Philo Rodriguez that I served with in 1st Anglico said, “You need to contact Might Oaks.” Melissa contacted Mighty Oaks and was in contact with them while I was in the hospital.

Mighty Oaks has been a life changer. It’s given me purpose. It’s helped me to reconnect with Christ. And is giving me the strength back. This is all possible because of sacrifice and generosity of you people out there.

So when I say, “What’s led me to this podium today? It’s everyone of you, it’s the Mighty Oaks program, and it’s God. And I found purpose again, thank you.”

Faith Is Coming Back Into The Military


Sow guys! That story is powerful but people don’t realize that’s one of many. These guys are changing lives.


And by the way, I talked to Chad today and he said that was his basic recovery course he just went through. He now signed up to be one of their leaders. And just today he finished his first leadership group where he actually is helping other guys. He’s become a leader and so he had two guys that he took through the program now. And so it’s a real turn around.

The providence of God saved his life. You jump 60-70 feet, and you don’t get killed? By the way, whether you land on the pavement or not, you’re still tough if you survive landing on dirt 70 feet high.


Especially when the intention of your jump was to kill yourself. So you’re not trying to catch yourself when you’re landing. You’re trying to die. And even trying your body was so tough. It said, “No, we’re going to die right now.”


It is a real amazing story, a real uplifting story. What these guys do at Mighty Oaks Wars program, if you’ve got a veteran that you know t is kind of quiet, maybe suffering depression. If they are they won’t always tell you. They try to keep it bottled up inside. Just suggests that they go look at Mighty Oaks. Go to the web page just look at it.

Maybe talk to Mighty Oaks and let them know. But these guys have a fantastic program that they do and that they use. So that’s just one of many stories.

That’s great, good news. To see what’s happened to those guys. It’s great that Trump is going to now actively make that a part of veterans and what happens with veterans, 0pen up the faith. So looks like Faith is coming back into the military in a way that Obama tried to drive it out. Hopefully we’ll see some really good changes come in the future months.


And that video itself, if you want to actually see the testimony of this guy. It’s phenomenal. The link is on our website today so go right now to a You can get that get that link and actually watch the video and share it with others. And share Mighty Oak’s website with other people as well. There are people in your life and certainly your contacts and your social media and all that. They have friends and family that could use Mighty Oaks and God move in their lives through Chad and these others at Mighty Oaks, so go check that out.

Well guys, thanks for so much good news today! We’ll have more next Friday and if you’d like some between now and then go to our website and you can look in the archive section there and get some past Friday programs.

We sure appreciate your listening today, thanks for listening to WallBuilders Live!  

2017-04-12T20:53:59+00:00 April 7th, 2017|Military & Veterans|2 Comments


  1. Dave & Barb Kitko April 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm - Reply

    We tried to find Joe’s story on the Might Oaks website and we could to find it. Could you help us?

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