Air Date: 12/7/2016

Summary: Today we have a special program dedicated to remembering the sacrifice of soldiers who served at Pearl Harbor.  Chief Ray Emory works tirelessly to get his fallen shipmates identified and properly honored.


Guests: Ray Emory, Pearl Harbor Survivor


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Today we have a special program dedicated to remembering the sacrifice of soldiers who served at Pearl Harbor.  Chief Ray Emory works tirelessly to get his fallen shipmates identified and properly honored.

Pearl Harbor AUDIO CLIPS

“The only thing we have to fear it fear itself.”

“There is no substitute for victory.”

“Never negotiate out of fear.”

Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Senate, and of the House of Representatives:  Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 — a date which will live in infamy — the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.  The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.”

Pearl Harbor Attack

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.  Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.  Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.  Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.  Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.  Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.  And this morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

We Will Win Through to Absolute Victory

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.  Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory, and our interests are in grave danger.  With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph — so help us God.”
Rick:

One of the most famous speeches in the history of our nation. And today we honor those that sacrifice that day and throughout the war for us to secure freedom. I can only imagine what it would have been like to be there when President Roosevelt gave that speech and our whole nation was in shock. Very similar to how we felt during 9/11 just a few years ago, our our version of what happened then for our generation anyway, today.

Ray Emory Aboard the USS Honolulu on Pearl Harbor

We weren’t there for the speech, but we do have someone coming on today that was there at Pearl Harbor when it happened. Actually. there when we talk about these things sometimes it’s all what we read in the history books. But Ray Emory was aboard the USS Honolulu on Pearl Harbor Day. Thank you so much. We are so appreciative of what you’ve done for us and your service and here you are given us even more of your time today to come share your story. Thank you for being with us today.

Ray:

Oh OK. Thank you!

Rick:

Mr. Emory, you were actually there. I mean here I am.  I read about it. I’ve been there to visit. About two years ago, I got to go and visit.  But I can’t imagine what it was like to be there. Let me first you say thanks on behalf of our listeners and on behalf of David Barton as well for your service to our country. We sure appreciate what you did for us!

Ray:

Thank you!

Rick:

Well, tell me what it was like to be there that day.

Ray:  (Some words are indistinguishable, marked by **.)

Well, it was a real nice morning when I woke up. I don’t remember having breakfast or anything that morning until just about five minutes before 8:00 o’clock. There was also there that day a young ensign by the name of Barnette.  He sounded the jet alarm button. And all I heard was jet alarm buttons. So I rushed to fold up my newspaper.  I was at my bunk, sitting on the bottom bunk.  I slept in the middle bunk out of three-high and I fold up my newspaper real quick and hit the ladder going topside which was about six feet away from where I was sitting.

Machine Guns Were Going Off

When I got topside, I heard some machine guns going off.  And I thought, “Boy, this ** air raid.” So I wrapped myself around, in between ** four and five and went up into the after super structure where the battle station was a few 50 caliber machine guns portside, the outside of the superstructure.  There were four of us are assigned to these two guns. They were: Roy Haider, he was in charge of the third class gunner’s mate; me, Stephens and Turner. Turner, he was out at the ** for that weekend for a beach party.  I happened to be the first one there and not knowing what was going on except ** been sounding.  I took the cover off of one 50 cal machine gun which was a canvas cover and had the other about halfway off.  And a Torpedo plane was flying by a fantail and dropped his torpedo.

Air Raid

I thought this is a good ** air raid. So I stuck my head around a corner and watched that torpedo go into the side, right into the USS Oklahoma. And to this day, I don’t know which one.  That was the last time I even looked at Battleship Rosell after the fact. But anyway, I turned back around to pull the cover off the rest of the way, and off the second gun. Things are happening faster and I tell you to talk right now.  Anyway. By that time another torpedo plane was going by and he dropped his torpedo **  on.  

I Knew What Was Happening:  The Japanese Were Attacking

And then I recognized what was going on. The ammunition box was locked up and there was a dog ranch. It was right next door, after going into the after battle station area. So, I took the dog which was beaten on his lock trying to get open. And by that time, Stevens got there and he asked what was going on. And I told him the Japanese are attacking.  He thought that a little man with a white coat should have been there about that time to haul me off somewhere.

Anyway, another torpedo planes going by and he sees this. Then he  about comes unglued. Roy, something told him that there was a water cooled 50 caliber machine guns. Anyway, something told him to turn the water pump on coming up that morning, and on the way up. And he did when he got there. By that time we had the ammunition box broken open where we had mounted. We had mounted a 50 caliber on these two machine guns.

They Lost 5 of the 7 Torpedoes, But Our Ship Was Hit

But this time, we fired at anything that comes close to us. I only saw one plane go down which was between us and the subbase which was about maybe about 200 yards away. But they lost five of the last seven torpedo planes that came in. So after he got that, we weren’t the ones. Everybody was just firing at no matter. So, anyway, that’s about what happened.  In what was I guess, about a quarter after 9:00, during the second attack. The dive bombers were coming towards us and a bomb that was coming towards our ship actually hit that dock. And as it went through the concrete right below where it went through was the pipeline like the oil water. And it went down in through this piping and it knocked the bomb over towards the side of the ship. It went down lower. Anyway, but that was about to attack for us.

Within Minutes 7 Japanese Torpedoes Were Dropped On Pearl Harbor

Rick:

Now Everything you just described to me that that took place in seconds. I mean when you get up there-  

Ray:

Well yeah.  When I got up there, yeah.  When I first got there, there was just seconds from the time that I got there and within a minute, I would be in the ammunition box, yeah.

Rick

Tell us about that Honolulu- What is a light cruiser?  Is that-

Ray:

It was a broken class, light Cruiser. There were nine of them built, five turrets on three barrels to the turret, as far as the main battery. They were in commission by 1937, ‘38 and ‘39, in that area. They were newer, the newer newer, light cruiser in the Navy.  I stayed on the Honolulu until 1943.

Rick:

So you were there for how many years then?

Ray:

I joined the Navy 1940 got out in ‘46. And just before I got out of 1946, went aboard the USS ** in May of ‘46.  Then went down the atom bomb test before I got out the tail end of August of ‘46.

Rick:

You saw a lot didn’t you?

Ray Emory Works Tirelessly to Identify Shipmates

Ray:

Well, basically, yeah. I saw the beginning of the war. And ** as the atom bombs blown off at the end of World War II. I came back to Honolulu 23 years ago. And I don’t know if you look at the Internet there. I told the girl to look there before you called. And I’ve been involved lately of getting these Pearl Harbor casualties that got buried as unknown, identified.  I’ve got seven of them so far.  So, we’ll have to keep the elevator going to the top floor

Rick:

If it’s alright with you, sir, we’re going to put that link on our website today for folks to go visit.

Ray:

  1. No problem.

Rick:

That’s OK with you. Tell us what you did after, when you when you came home. What part of the country do you live in now.

Ray:

Well, I live in Honolulu now. I came back here 23 years ago. After I got out in ‘46, I went back to Bradley University and went to Bradley in Peoria where I originally was born and raised and I went out finished up the University of Washington. And after I got out of college, I didn’t have enough money to get out of town. So I had to go to work. So I stayed to work in the Seattle area up until 23 years ago when I just quit working.

Rick:

And now you’re back in Honolulu. If you’re willing I’ve got my whole family might be coming out there with speaking engagements this summer. We’d love to meet you.

Ray:

Oh I’ll be around, I hope.

Rick:

We’d love to meet you, maybe get you to take us out there and see some things

Ray:

Did you say you were out there on ** recently?

Rick:

We went about, I said two years. You know, I think it was actually three years ago. Just my wife and I went in and said-

Arizona Wasn’t The Only Ship On Pearl Harbor

Ray:

What did you hear other than, Arizona, Arizona, Arizona?

Rick:

Well, that was the main thing they talked about. You’re right.

Ray:

You got a second?

Rick:

You bet, please.

List of Ships at Pearl Harbor

Ray:

Did you ever hear of:  (Ray, a 94 year-old vet, recites by memory the ships at Pearl Harbor.)

Battleships

Arizona (BB-39) (Sunk Total Loss)

California (BB-44) (Sunk Raised And Repaired)

Maryland (BB-46) (Light Damage)

Nevada (BB-36) (Beached Heavy Damage, Repaired)

Oklahoma (BB-37) (Capsized -Raised Not Repaired)

Pennsylvania (BB-38) (In Dry Dock No. 1. – Light Damage, Repaired)

Tennessee (BB-43) (Light Damage, Repaired)

West Virginia (BB-48) (Sunk Raised And Repaired)

Heavy Cruisers

New Orleans (CA-32) (Light Damage, Repaired)

San Francisco (CA-38) (Light Damage, Repaired)

Light Cruisers

Detroit (CL-8) (Light Damage, Repaired)

Helena (CL-50) (Light Damage, Repaired)

Honolulu (CL-48) (Light damage, Repaired)

Phoenix (CL-46)

Raleigh (CL-7) (Heavy Damage, Repaired)

St. Louis (CL-49)

Destroyers

Allen (DD-66)

Aylwin (DD-355)

Bagley (DD-386)

Blue (DD-387)

Case (DD-370)

Cassin (DD-372) (In Dry Dock No.1 – Damaged Beyond Repair, Parts Salvaged and Built into new hull)

Chew (DD-106)

Conyngham (DD-371)

Cummings (DD-365)

Dale (DD-353)

Dewey (DD-349) (In Dry Dock No. 1)

Downes (DD-375) (Damaged Beyond, Repair Parts Salvaged and built into new hull)

Farragut (DD-348)

Helm (DD-388) (Light Damage, Repaired)

Henley (DD-391)

Hull (DD-350)

Jarvis (DD-393)

Mc Donough (DD-351)

Monaghan (DD-354)

Mugford (DD-389)

Patterson (DD-392)

Phelps (DD-360)

Ralph Talbot (DD-390)

Reid (DD-369)

Schley (DD-103)

Selfridge (DD-357)

Shaw (DD-373) (In Floating Drydock YFD-2 -Very Heavy Damage, Repaired)

Tucker (DD-374)

Ward (DD-139) (Patrolling channel entrance to Pearl Harbor)

Worden (DD-352)

Submarines

Cachalot (SS-170)

Dolphin (SS-169)

Narwhal (SS-167)

Tautog (SS-199)

High Speed Mine Sweepers

Perry (DMS-17)

Trever (DMS-16)

Wasmuth (DMS-15)

Zane (DMS-14)

Light Mine Layers

Breese (DM-18)

Gamble (DM-15)

Montgomery (DM-17)

Preble (DM-20)

Pruitt (DM-22)

Ramsey (DM-16)

Sicard (DM-21)

Tracy (DM-19)

Mine Layer

Oglala (CM-4) (Capsized Raised, Repaired)

Mine Sweepers

Bobolink (AM-20)

Grebe (AM-43)

Rail (AM-26)

Tern (AM-31)

Turkey (AM-13)

Vireo (AM-52)

Coastal Mine Sweepers

Cockatoo (AMc-8)

Condor (AMc-14)

Crossbill (AMc-9)

Reedbird (AMc-30)

Gunboat

Sacramento (PG-19)

Motor Torpedo Boats

MTB Squadron One

PT-20

PT-21

PT-22

PT-23

PT-24

PT-25

PT-26

PT-27

PT-28

PT-29

PT-30

PT-42

Ammunition Ship

Pyro (AE-1)

Cargo Ship

Vega (AK-17) (At Honolulu)

Destroyer Tenders

Dobbin (AD-3)

Whitney (AD-4)

General Stores Ships

Antares (AKS-3)

Castor (AKS-1)

Hospital Ship

Solace (AH-5)

Miscellaneous Auxiliaries

Argonne (AG-31)

Sumner (AG-32)

Utah (AG-16) (Capsized Not Raised Or Repaired)

Ocean Going Tugs

Keosanqua (AT-38) (At Pearl Harbor entrance)

Navajo (AT-164)

Ontario (AT-13)

Sunnadin (AT-28)

Oilers

Neosho (AO-23)

Ramapo (AO-12)

Repair Ships

Medusa (AR-1)

Vestal (AR-4) Heavy Damage

Base Repair Ship

Rigel (ARb-1)

Sea Plane Tenders

Curtiss (AV-4) Light damage

Tangier (AV-8)

Sea Plane Tender- Destroyer

Hulbert (AVD-6)

Thornton (AVD-11)

Small Sea Plane Tender

Avocet (AVP-4)

Swan (AVP-7)

Submarine Rescue Vessel

Widgeon (ASR-1)

Submarine Tender

Pelias (AS-14)

Unclassified

Chengho (IX-52)

Yard & District Craft

Ash Lighter

Ferry Boat

Manuwai (YFB-16)

Nihoa (YFB-17)

Floating Drydock

YFD-2

Garbage Lighters

YG-15

YG-17

YG-21

Motor Tug

YMT-5

Net Tenders

Ash (YN-2)

Cinchona (YN-7)

Cockenoe (YN-47)

Marin (YN-53)

Wapello (YN-56)

Gate Vessel

YNG-17

Fuel Oil Barges

YO-30

YO-43

YO-44

Patrol Craft

YP-109

Floating Work Shop

YR-20

YR-22

Harbor Tugs

Hoga (YT-146)

Nokomis (YT-142)

Osceola (YT-129)

Sotoyomo (YT-9) (Sunk Raised and Repaired)

Geronimo (YT-119)

YT-130

YT-152

YT-153

Torpedo Testing Barges

YTT-3

Water Barge

YW-10

Ash Lighter

YA-66

Open Lighters

YC-429

YC-470

YC-473

YC-477

YC-651

YC-699

Covered Lighters

YF-240

YF-241

Salvage Pontoons

YSP-11

YSP-12

YSP-13

YSP-14

YSP-15

YSP-16

YSP-17

YSP-18

YSP-19

YSP-20

Salvage Pontoons

YPK-2

YPK-3

Submarine Rescue Chamber

YRC-5

U.S.Coast Guard Vessels

Cutters

Reliance (USC-150) (Honolulu Harbor)

Taney (WPG-37) (Honolulu Harbor)

Tiger (WSC-152) (Off Honolulu Harbor Entrance)

Coast Guard Boats

CG-8 (Honolulu Harbor )

AB-27 (Honolulu Harbor)

Chart Source:  http://www.navsource.org/Naval/pearl.htm

Rick:

Wow! That’s a lot of ships! Were all of those at Pearl Harbor?

Ray:

All those were in Pearl Harbor. You notice I didn’t get them in alphabetical order.

Rick:

Can you do it backwards though?

Ray:

No-

So Many Ships at Pearl Harbor, Made for an Appealing Target

Rick:

It seems to me if you got that many vessels.  That was a target rich environment for those guys. I mean, it must have been just wherever they could hit.

Ray:

Well, yeah, but they only got 18 out of all those.

Rick:

No kidding.

The Japanese Only Got The Old Battleships

Ray:

Yeah, they got the old battleships.  So, that’s alright.  They were the old battleships and they were too small to go in the fleet, anyway.  They just kind of butchered them up pretty good.

Rick:

When they came in were they just going for the largest? Were the battleships-

Ray:

They  were after the carriers at first. And since none was there they just picked up Battleship Row is all.

Pearl Harbor Survivors Project

Rick:

Tell me about this website that you’re doing.

Ray:

I’m not on the Internet myself, but that’s what I think gets in there. The stuff that I’ve done.

Rick:

But it’s called the Pearl Harbor Survivors Project.

Ray:

Well, I don’t know what they call it. I’ve got several several things in there. That’s basically, all I know is some of this stuff, like getting these guys identified, gets in the newspapers. And the first thing it gets put into the papers puts them on the Internet.

Rick:

Yeah, the web address folks at home that are listening is PearlHarborStories.org, and we’re gonna have a link there for you today at WallBuildersLive.com. Our guest is Ray Emory serving the United States Navy from the beginning of the war to the very end. How many were lost at Pearl Harbor that day?

2,341 Pearl Harbor Casualties

Ray:

There were 2,341 that they claim to be Pearl Harbor casualties. All the more Pearl Harbor casualties.  Actually, we shot down some of our own guys that night. Three out of the Enterprise came in. One guy got electrocuted stringing a wire down the hill one afternoon. A guy got hit on a truck that night. One other sailor that survived the Utah, he got hit by a stray bullet. So you have to take 2,341 and they deduct about 10 times ** military, that is.

Rick:

Do you have any idea how many how many we still have that were actually there at Pearl Harbor like yourself?

Ray:

I have no idea.

Rick:

Do you guys have a reunion of any kind where you get together?

Estimated 90,000 Soldiers at Pearl Harbor

Ray:

Yeah up there in Texas this year. But the peak was there about the 50th anniversary where they had about 15,000 **. But not all the people, or a lot of them there, never join The War Survivor Association. So I would estimate that was probably about 90,000. About half Army, half Navy on the island here that day.  The Army’s got a pretty good list of their number, but the Navy actually doesn’t.

What Do Schools Teach About Pearl Harbor?

Rick:

I see.  Well, before I let you go, I got to ask you, as someone that served in that capacity for that long, that saw the things that you saw. How do you get across to young people today how blessed we are to have this freedom and that it doesn’t come free? That it does have to be sacrificed for?

Ray:

I don’t know how you tell them. I really don’t.

Rick:

From what you see today, do you think they get it? Or do you think we’re not doing a good enough job of passing the torch that you guys defended?

Ray:

What they say, could go back to your days when you went to school? What did you learn about the history of Pearl Harbor, really?

Rick:

Very little.

Ray:

We’ve got people here on this island that don’t even know hardly Pearl Harbor ever happened.  I don’t know how you educate the people.

Rick:

Well we want to do all we can. The reason we want to talk to you is because there’s something special about hearing it from somebody was there. you know and to hear it firsthand and explain to people. How old were you when you were there?

Ray:

20

Rick:

20 years old.

Ray:

I was born and May 18, 1921

By The Sacrifice of Their Youth, We Have Freedom Today

Rick:

And to see that kind of carnage and to serve for six years. You took six years of your youth and went around the world defending our freedom and making it possible for me.  I wasn’t even born yet and I’m able to do this radio program, to speak, to have a family, to choose what I want to do in life, because of men like you willing to make that kind of sacrifice.

Ray:

I was  kind of lucky even in the Navy.  I’d been down across the equator on a goodwill cruise on the USS Savannah before I ever went onto the Honolulu in the summer of ‘41. So know I was very fortunate that way. The Navy was good to me. I’m made chief in 4 years and 2 1/2 months. So, I was very fortunate. Right place, right time.

Rick:

Is the right way to recognize you?  Is it Chief Ray Emory?

Ray:

I always I- I got the name of Chief ** but I’m just a little Ray.

Rick:

Well, we are so thankful for you. I know there are thousands others like you and you know we want every generation to be like you and be willing to serve and to sacrifice. And to recognize what we’ve been given. I mean, frankly, my generations had had it pretty easy compared to what you guys had to do.  And we’re getting to live out the fruits of your labor.

Ray:

OK, Rick.

Rick:

Well, thank you very much, Sir.

Ray:

Thank you. And have a good day, what’s left of it.

Rick:

God bless you.  And if you’re willing, I’d love to look you up and get to come see you next summer when my family comes.

Ray:

Any time. You’ve got my phone number.

Rick:

I got it.  I’m calling you.

Ray:

All right. Well, we’ll to up to the cemetery. Nobody ever goes up there to see what happened

Rick:

We would we would be honored if-

Ray:

That’s another story.

Rick:

We’ll go for it. Let me hear it.

The Punchbowl:  As Many as 22 Pearl Harbor Casualties in One Grave

Ray:

Well, at the Punchbowl, just before the 50th, I went up to see who or what they were able to tell me about where the Pearl Harbor casualties were buried in that cemetery.

Rick:

Yes sir.

Ray:

They couldn’t tell me. So I saw her walking grave site to grave site and I found all of them.  In the meantime, I noticed there were some unknown gravesites up there. And by checking through paperwork, I found out that there were Pearl Harbor casualties, as many as 21 and 22 in one grave.

Rick:

And these are non-military?

Ray:

These are military.

Rick:

Military, and they weren’t identified?

Ray:

Not.  Yeah, anyway.

Rick:

Wow.

Fight With The Government To Properly Label Graves

Ray:

So, through all the paperwork, I was able to prove to people that these were a Pearl Harbor casualties. And with forensics, I was able to tell even what ships they came from.  Like the Oklahoma, they had 21 or 22 in one grave. So I raised up a lot with the government about why this information isn’t on the grave markers. And after about two or three years fighting with the government, a colonel politely told me go to you know where. And about that time I got Congressman ** involved in it. She got a rider on an appropriations bill forcing the government to update all these grave markers. And they now read like, “21 unknown,  USS Oklahoma Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941.”  They had to change out over 300 grave markers.

Rick:

Wow. Well, I’m glad you did it.

Ray:

Anyway, and then I had the Westlock disaster happened just before **. And now they have those upgraded, too. So it’s been it’s been a kind of enjoyable fighting with the government getting things done.

Rick:

That makes you, in my opinion, not only a patriot but a scholar as well.

Ray:

You take care.

Rick:

You have honored those you served with Sir. And we want honor you. We appreciate you being on, Mr. Emory, hope to talk to you again soon.

Ray:

Take care.

That’s Ray Emory, United States Navy on the USS Honolulu right there at Pearl Harbor. The website is going to be up on our website today PearlHarborStories.org with a link that you can jump right over. You can actually get to see Mr. Emory’s picture there and listen to his story right there on the on the Web site. We want to honor all of those that have served and sacrificed and made it possible for us to enjoy our freedom today.

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Go to my Web site to find out more, RickGreen.com. It makes a great Christmas gift as well. What better gift, than the gift of freedom. So I hope that you will dive in and study the Constitution.  Let’s do what Chief Justice John Jay suggested that we do.  Let’s read and study the Constitution and here’s your opportunity to do that.  It’s called the citizen guide to our founding documents.

Rick

We are back on for a few minutes. David, man, I’ve got to tell you, Bro. A lot struck me but the really neat thing, he is like so many World War II veterans, humble. And everything’s like, “Oh yeah, Rick, no big deal.” Here I am thinking, “This guy’s a hero.” But to him it’s no big deal.

It Takes A Team

David:

You know one of the interesting things is these guys-I mean, you look at an American Revolution and George Washington.  What a great guy he is. But he didn’t get any of it done without the soldiers that went through Valley Forge and the soldiers at Yorktown and everywhere else. And we really have a tendency not to put names and faces with those.

You know what an amazing thing that out of the last seven torpedo planes that came by that they shot them down. You know, that’s fascinating stuff.  And then they hear all those other ships that were there at Pearl Harbor. I mean what a litany of ships that we hear nothing about at all. And as you mentioned you have relatives that were there at Iwo Jima. And Cheryl’s dad was actually at Schofield Barracks and heard the first bomb drop at Pearl Harbor and saw the second one hit right off the balcony and saw it hit.

Rick:

No kidding.

David:

Oh yeah. I mean it’s fascinating stuff. And today, we don’t have a clue what this is all about. You know I think he’s exactly right. How do you teach the next generation. They don’t have a clue what V. E. Day is or V. J.  He made a significant statement. They were getting ready to invade Tokyo when V.J. Day happened. And most people get what’s DJ day.

The Vets Lives That Were Sacrificed At Pearl Harbor, Nobody Even Marked Their Graves

And you know it really is important to know what happened. All those guys that were sacrificed. How amazing is it that nobody even mark their graves in the cemetery. All these guys that paid a price that really freed Europe is what happened. As a result of Pearl Harbor we got involved. We weren’t going to get involved. That resulted in freedom for dozens of countries in Europe as a result of what happened at Pearl Harbor. And we didn’t even mark the graves of those guys. I mean how amazing.

Unsung Heros

Rick:

No kidding.  I have to admit, before I met Kara and we got married and I got to hear her grandfather’s stories.  In fact, the list of islands that Mr. Emory listed off there, a lot of those are exactly where he fought.  Iwo Jima is where he got his Purple Heart.  He was Marine. But it piqued my interest. There something about knowing somebody and hearing the real story, not just reading a textbook, but hearing people that were there or learning the individual stories. Like you always say about history, the way God teaches us in the Bible is so much more real and so much easier to remember and understand when you hear it through the eyes of the people that experienced it.

David:

Yeah I remember being in a church in Virginia and talking to the senior pastor there.  He was blind in one eye and that didn’t really strike me until we talked about why. And he was driving the landing craft at Iwo Jima. He got shot seven times.  And one of the bullets lodged in his eye. And you know, it stayed in his eye.  That’s where he lost his sight.  And here he is the pastor in a church.  And you’d never know that the guy was a hero.

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

And those are the kind of stories that we just don’t have any clue. But how cool it is to hear from somebody who was there, who just takes it matter of fact. But boy, he sure paid a…willing to pay a price for the rest of us.

Rick

He did! And so many others too! We’re so appreciative of them. ‘

Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you to Ray Emory and what he represents. And to all of the Americans that have been willing to sacrifice to preserve our freedom. I appreciate you joining us on this very special day on Wallbuilders Live! with David Barton and Rick Green.