Addicted To Outrage-Too Many Americans Have Gone Too Far Part Two: Glenn Beck will be on with us again today to talk about his new book “Addicted To Outrage.” Listen to understand the real goal of Postmodernism and learn how we can break cultural cycles of outrage by speaking the truth in love. Don”t miss this important message; tune in today!
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Faith And The Culture
Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. This is WallBuilders Live where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy and faith in the culture, always from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Tim Barton is with us; he’s a national speaker and pastor and the president of WallBuilders. My name is Rick Green; I’m a former Texas legislator.
Later in the program, Glenn Beck will be back with us. If you missed yesterday, we had the first part of “Addicted to Outrage.” It”s Glenn Beck’s new book.
We”re talking to him about the importance of not giving in to that need or that desire to be outrageous, and the polarization of our our culture and our country. Â We’re going to pick up on that a little bit later in today’s program; so, stay with us.
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Reliving the Book of Acts: People Don”t Know What They”re Angry About
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I got to tell you guys, after talking about all this, I was reading in Acts, and it really jumped out at me, right there and in Acts 19 where it talks about when Paul was at Ephesus, and they got angry. The mob just went crazy, and it actually said, “The assembly was in confusion.” This verse 32: “Some were shouting one thing, some another. Most of the people did not even know why they were there.”
That’s what happens, guys. People get riled up, and they don’t even know why they’re so angry or why they’re shouting in a lot of these mobs and things that are happening right now. In the picketing and everything else that we’re seeing from the left, it tends to be that you can even see some of the funny interviews where people say, “Why are you here?” They really don’t know. It’s almost like we’re reliving some of Acts back there.
Yes, Rick. That is an interesting point. Before you even mentioned the interviews or the where people don”t know what they’re talking about, that was the first thing I thought of.
You see, oftentimes, these protests on college campuses–in Texas, looking at the Ted Cruz and the Beto campaign that’s been going on, people that have been supporting Beto are interviewed and asked, “Why do you support him? What’s he done?” They’re like, “I- I don’t know,” right?
So often we see that people are emotionally charged, and they are for something or they’re against something, and they don’t even know what they’re for or what they’re against. That really is a pretty accurate depiction of culture. T
he Bible oftentimes just has a really good job of revealing the human nature that we see at different moments in periods throughout humanity and throughout history. Certainly, what you are reading in Acts from Paul, what he’s doing in Ephesus, where the people weren’t sure what to do in that situation, definitely what we see in culture even though they don’t always know why they’re for or against something, they’re certainly emotionally charged. They’re angry; they just don’t know what they’re angry about.
“A Soft Answer Turns Away Wrath”
I was thinking about what Glenn said yesterday; because, they get angry, and he was talking about How do you de-escalate some of this? How do you keep from falling into it? How do you keep from reacting, a tit-for-tat kind of a thing?
He was talking about that acronym that he uses called “THINK,” and it reminded me of something in the Scripture back in Proverbs 15:1. This is a modern-language translation; but, I still like what it says. It says; the Bible says, “A soft answer breaks the most-bone like resistance.”
Now, King James says, “A Â soft answer turns away wrath;” but, in modern translations, it says, “If you can have a soft answer, that will break down even the hardest resistance against you.” Coming up with a soft answer when you’re arguing with people who don’t know what they’re talking about and they’re all outraged–as Glenn said, even “addicted to outrage.” I mean, that that’s how they respond.
Even that example as mentioned yesterday, these two attorneys have got to be addicted to outrage when you can go through the ceiling over simply picking off a piece of string from someone’s arm. Give me a break. Â We’re in a culture like that.
So, I was thinking about that acronym of THINK: T-H-I-N-K, where “T” means “be truthful.” Your response, make it truthful. Then comes “H,” which is “be helpful with what you say.” Then the “I,” which is “inspiring.” Then the “N” for “necessary:” is it really necessary for me to say this? Do I need to respond, or should I just be quiet? And then, “K” Â is be “kind” when you say something. That is such a good way of de-escalating the emotions that are there. Come back with a kind, soft answer. Don’t answer tit for tat. Use that soft answer that breaks the bone-like resistance.
That’s the kind of stuff that is going to take a retraining of us to do; because, it is so easy to come right back at them with eye for an eye or tooth for tooth. “You insulted me, so I’m going to double down on you.” That’s the kind of stuff that does lead to outrage and polarization that we really do have to get away from.
We’re going to take a quick break. When we come back, we’ll pick up with the interview with Glenn Beck. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live!
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What is Postmodernism?
Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live! Glenn Beck is back with us today.
His book is called “Addicted to Outrage.” We”re picking up right where we were yesterday. Glenn, you’d been talking about how the culture is different now. We”re in a post-modern society, and so people respond differently to outrage.
In the book I talked about postmodernism which came over and–it’s been around for a while, but it was weaponized in 1968.
By the way, Glenn, let me backup; because, you gave a definition of postmodernism where we’re talking a few weeks ago, that I had never heard before. It is so different from what I’d been taught postmodernism is.
You went through that the three elements of that. Would you kind of lay out the definition that you’re working off of? Because, it’s such a good definition.
I don’t remember what I said to you exactly, David, but let me let me start with this. “Postmodernism” is–I mean, what is the modern world?
We think we’re living in the modern world, but we’re no. we’re now in the post-modern world. That’s what we’re really feeling. It’s not a progressive world even.
That’s why you’re seeing some Democrats and even progressives begin to recoil from this. The modern world was the world that was created by the Enlightenment. It is what the dragged us out of the Dark Ages, and it was reason, and faith based in reason as well as, a willingness to question your faith, not just blind loyalty to it. It was mathematics and science. That’s what created this world.
I remember reading a couple of years ago, a story that said that math was now being deemed racist. I thought How in the world can math be racist? If you understand postmodernism, it is easy to make it racist.
The Goal of Postmodernism: Undermining the Enlightenment
What postmodernism–what its goal is, is to undo everything that the Enlightenment brought to us: the modern world. To take away science and reason and questioning and dialogue and even math, anything that holds up in this system created by the Enlightenment, must be destroyed. Because, in their view it created this hierarchy, this oppression that everybody feels.
So, when you stand up and you defend something, if you are on the side of the postmodernist, you can get away literally with murder. It doesn’t matter. You don’t–you are not held to that standard.
But, if you are part of the system and you stand up, you are part of the problem. No matter if you’re right or wrong or even agree with them, if you are part of the hierarchy and part of the system and holding the system together, you have to be destroyed.
It’s why we see the Kavanaugh under attack, and yet we have Keith Ellison, who the evidence is all there. I don’t want to judge him; but, if you compare the two, one is a slam dunk case, and one has nothing. Keith Ellison they’re not questioning, but Kavanaugh is. It’s not inconsistent for them. That is the way the post-modern world works.
Yes,that was great; because, those are the three elements you’d told me that I never thought about: the faith, the reason, and the science. That’s what built it out of the Enlightenment, and the Postmodern attacks the faith and the reason and the science. It’s logical unless you can think illogically like they do.
That was a real epiphany for me when you laid it out that way; because, it really is undermining the Enlightenment. Everything that brought us here, they’re trying to turn backwards. It was a great definition.
A View that Says, “The Fundamentals Must Be Destroyed.”
It’s also important that you look at any of the fundamentals. What are the fundamentals? Okay: reading, history, science, mathematics, faith; all of those things must be destroyed. They have to be destroyed.
It’s why now, with Common Core, our ACT scores are the lowest ever. They are the lowest ever. Why? Why would we adopt Common Core? Because, it’s degrading the ability for people to think. But, the most important part, and it’s the one that’s under attack all the time.
David, what is the basic, fundamental, principle building block of life itself?
Man, great question. The answer is?
Oh yes, there you go. Exactly. Yes, culture–all culture, nation, structure. Exactly right. Yeah. I’m with you.
Family. I mean, you just look at just life itself, just life. Male and female mate, have children; life goes on. This is under attack at its core. It is under attack to keep us from marrying, keep us from having children, keep us arguing with each other, confusing the sexes, confusing gender norms. All of this destroys us. There’s a new study; you know it from Barna. It has come out and shows that pornography now, in the under 30 generation, is now more acceptable. It’s more of a “moral” thing to do than recycling. If you don’t recycle, you’re less moral than if you are watching pornography every day.
Steps to Break the Cycle of Outrage
Yes, yes, amazing. We highly recommend this book, guys. I”ve been through it. Audible is a great way to get it. The book is really, really good. It helps shape the paradigm of rethinking, re-looking at things, not reacting. It’s really, really good stuff. Glenn, marching orders? First things people can do? Get the book, obviously, but out of that, what’s the marching orders you would give us on how to break the cycle of outrage?
Stop consuming it; don’t react to it. Just stop. Remember, the postmodern necessity is chaos. They are trying to create chaos in all things, chaos and confusion.
We know the 12th Imam, to return, the 12th Imam for the as the “promised one.” which we would say is our Anti-Christ. The Iranians believe that they can do that through causing chaos.
Aleksander Dugin, one of the main advisors in Russia–and, you can see it play out here with their influencing our elections. They are tearing both sides apart and causing chaos. Chaos is the key.
We know the author of chaos; we know where that comes from. Confusion doesn’t come from the Lord. Don’t do anything that hastens chaos or adds to chaos.
Get away from those things. Keep it in perspective. Breathe deep.
Think; think before you react or speak, and prepare yourself to be somebody like Martin Luther King or Gandhi that will stand. Remember, Gandhi did not starve himself against the British. He went on his hunger strike against his own countrymen who demanded that it was time just to take guns and get into the streets and cause violence.
He said, “I won’t have any part of that. It’s not the way.” He appealed to that Judeo-Christian heart in England. It was that that broke that bond over there. It will break it here. But, if we’re not using the principles of Christ, it can’t work; it can’t work.
Glenn, before we let you go, if I could ask you: How do you balance the need to still wake up people? You’ve rallied more people in this nation, maybe than anyone, in the last ten years to pay attention and to be involved and to not take their freedom for granted. How do you balance that need to wake them up without giving in to this easier–the rage is the easiest way to wake people up.
You’re wanting to get people to think, not just get angry, but actually take action in a positive way. How do you balance that as a commentator? That is what all three of us do everyday is trying to get people engaged. Now that you’re so aware of this need to stay away from the outrage, how would you recommend others like us to find that balance?
Don”t Be Strident; Seek to Understand
I couldn’t recommend how others can do it. In the past, I just looked for examples throughout history of somebody who does our jobs. Yet,I have not found anybody who’s done this or even attempted it, let alone done it and been successful.
We just have to take our financial blows and know that that’s the price of Â speaking out and speaking the truth and speaking love and peace. It’s really hard to talk about things.
For instance, the caravan, we’re talking about that now. When people are calling you a “conspiracy theorist” and these are all just lovely children that are coming, and the pictures show the exact opposite. It’s very difficult.
The one thing I can say I did in the past that was a huge mistake, was I disagreed with people, my own people, and I became strident. I poked my finger in people’s chests and I said, “What’s wrong with you? Don’t you see what this is doing?”
The one thing that I would really urge–and this is the lesson that I learned–was, if you really do believe in America, if you really do believe that the American people are good. I do believe that, and it’s easier for me to say this because I’ve always loved my audience. I just believe they’re just the greatest group of people ever.
When push came to shove, I was proved myself to be a liar; because, if I really did look at them as friends, I would not have said, “What are you doing? What’s wrong with you? You’re wrong.”
I would have humbly said, “I don’t understand. I don’t understand. What’s happening in your life that’s making you say this or making you act this way?”
When I started asking people what’s happening in your life? I understood why they were doing and saying the things that they are. So, the worst thing we can do is to condemn people for getting online and fighting back.
I understand where their frustration is coming from. I understand their anger. We have to meet people where they live. Read Mars Hill.
You read Paul on Mars Hill. He did not go and say, “Boy, you guys are dumb. Look at how many gods you have.”
He said, “Wow, you guys are so religious.” I know it says “too religious;” but was meant more as, “You guys are so religious; you have god”s for everything; that’s great. But, you know, you don’t know who this one God is, and I do. He’s the unknown god. I know who He is.” He even quoted their own poetry.
He met people where they live. That’s hard to do when you have your back up. It’s not what people think they want; but, when they see it enacted in people, it’s exactly what they want.
Yeah that’s right. Well said.
I joined, I got baptized because I wanted to be like the Christians that I saw. There”s no amount of preaching or logic. You just have to see the change in others, and you’re like Man, I want to be like them. They’re happy.
Get Glenn”s New Book “Addicted to Outrage”
Good stuff. All right. “Addicted to Outrage: How Thinking Like a Recovering Addict Can Heal the Country,” Glenn Beck’s new book, go check it out. Thank you so much for listening today. Glenn, thanks so much for your time today.
We appreciate it, bro. Thanks, man.
Thanks, guys. God bless you.
That was Glenn Beck. The book is called “Addicted to Outrage” You can get it in stores everywhere. We”ll have links today WallBuildersLive.com. Stay with us, folks. We”ll be right back with David and Tim Barton for more on “Addicted to Outrage.” You’re listening to WallBuilders Live!
This Precarious Moment Book
This is David Barton. I want to let about a brand new book we have called “This Precarious Moment, Six Urgent Steps That Will Save You, Your family, and Our Country.” Jim Garlow and I have co-authored this book and we take six issues that are hot in the culture right now.
Issues that we’re dealing with, issues such as immigration, race relations, our relationship with Israel, the rising generation Millennials, and the absence of the church in the culture wars, and where American heritage is, our godly heritage. We look at all six of those issues right now that are under attack and we give you both Biblical and historical perspective on those issues that provide solutions on what each of us can do right now to make a difference.
These are all problems that are solvable if we’ll get involved. So you can grab the book “This Precarious Moment” and find out what you can do to make a difference. “This Precarious Moment” is available at WallBuilders.com.
Let”s Be the Voice of Reason
Thanks for staying with us at WallBuilders Live! Welcome back. We’re here with David and Tim Barton. Special thanks to Glenn Beck for joining us for two programs, talking about his new book “Addicted to Outrage.”
David, Tim, I guess we know really, the take-home message we want people to have, is a sense of responsibility to be positive voices in the debate that’s out there, not to remove themselves from the debate, right? I mean, let’s not go say, “Well, because of the outrage, I’m just not going to be involved;” that would be the wrong reaction.
I think what Glenn is really saying is, “Let’s be the voice of reason; let’s be the ones that, like MLK said, “Speak with Christ in our hearts, speak with Christ on our tongue.”” If we do that, it sounds like from what he’s saying, that’s what he believes will change the whole conversation.
Yes, I think certainly it would be foolish for us as Christians not to engage the conversation, right? Jesus wasn’t scared to address things that are happening in culture.
But one of the things that, certainly, we would point to Jesus and say that we should emulate is He always spoke the truth with love. He was never afraid to speak the truth. It was just always the way He did it.
One of the things–Jesus was not afraid of confrontation. You look at the fact He made a whip, and He went into the temple, and he drove out the money changers, drove out people doing the wrong thing. He was not afraid to confront the Pharisees, and certainly, there were times He even used aggression.
We Must Speak Truth in Love
And one of the things that’s a problem in our culture, is so too often we only confront in aggression. We forget about those times when Jesus was in a position where He spoke the truth, but he did it in love, and He wasn’t trying to hurt people’s feelings. He wasn’t trying to drive them away.
He was trying to lead them in truth. As Christians we care about the truth. We want to present the truth; but, we cannot lose love in truth, right?
Truth without love will breed frustration, will breed hate, will drive people away. But truth with love can help cover sins and set people free. This is where, as Glenn’s pointed out, we have to get above this addiction to outrage.
It’s one of the things he does such a good job on in the book, is highlighting how it’s so easy for us to want to respond emotionally with a negative emotion. Right? We want our side to win, and I’m not going to let him get away with that, and Somebody needs to say something.
How brave we can be on social media behind a computer, things that we would never say in real life. Although, some people are now starting to say them in real life. We’re seeing actual, physical aggression and hate, and that’s why we have to learn to de-escalate things. We have to learn to be people that that speak in love.
So again, his book is something that I would highly recommend to people; because, he has such a good feel on the pulse of the culture, and where we are, and some really good ideas of how we can move things and move the conversation into a different tone and level when it comes this frustration and this outrage.
I appreciated the fact that he said, “You know what? You may just have to just take your blows over this. For you to do the right thing and say the right thing, it may cause you to get beat up. You may lose some ground in the eyes of others, and you may just have to take your blows. But, that’s part of doing the right thing.”
I’ve always believed that God keeps score. By the way, He doesn’t score like we do. He’s the umpire that–he’s the referee. He is the One that scores the right way. He scores according to righteousness and judgment, and He will cause things to work out right. He’ll be the one to call the fouls. We just keep doing the right thing, playing the game by His rules, having the right attitude, and it’s going to be alright.
Postmodernism Attacks Faith, Science, and Reason
I’ll say that as I mentioned to Glenn when we were talking, I had a real epiphany when he told me what “postmodernism” is; because, he has a whole different definition. His is right; but, it’s not what I was taught years ago.
The fact that he points to how the modern era is based on faith and reason and science; and, postmodernism attacks those three things; that’s what they go after. That’s why it’s so hard for us to debate anyone, because science says, “There’s an X and Y chromosome. End of story.” Well, they don’t care about science, and they don’t care about reason, and they don’t care about faith.
I had a new understanding of I see what they’re up to now. They are wanting to bring chaos. They are ignoring all the things that have become part of even atheists” life over recent years, where the reason is everything. Now we’re into no reason, and no faith, and no science.
Don”t Give in to Outrage, Be Effective Through Civility.
Understanding that also helps us to be able to reach out and meet people where they live, and again be able to say the right things. If we take our lumps for it that’s alright. We keep hanging in there.
Eventually the Bible says, “If you don’t give up, you will reap a harvest.” We literally have to just hang in long enough to reap the harvest. So, I really do appreciate what Glenn has brought to us and this perspective on trying to bring some civility back in the debate; but, particularly, we can’t control their side, but we sure can control our side.
We don’t have to do an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. We can make this the right way. I appreciate Glenn bringing civility back into the argument.
This is a book we highly recommend; we encourage you to get it. By the way, if you do, you’re going to hear some adult words in there. I mean, he’s quoting some people that use pretty rough language at times. It’s probably not more than what you hear on a lot of TV programs now. But nonetheless, it’s more than what most of us would use in our homes; just be aware that is there.
The lessons in the book and the truths that are brought out are really strong, really good, and really beneficial. We encourage you to get the book.
It’s called “Addicted to Outrage.” We”ll have links today at WallBuildersLive.com where you can find it. Thanks so much for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live!