Court Upholds Indiana Law Banning Sales of Aborted Baby Parts: We call it Good News Friday because it’s a chance for David and Tim to share some good news from across the nation and around the world. We don”€™t often hear good news from major media, however, here on WallBuilders Live, we love sharing news worthy of celebration!

Air Date: 04/26/2019

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture


Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we”€™re talking about today”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, always doing that from a Biblical, historical, and Constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and the founder of WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker and President of WallBuilders, and my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state legislator, national speaker, and author.

I’ll tell you something, when you take that perspective, you can’t help but be optimistic. If you’re taking a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective, it changes your whole attitude. So today we’re gonna bring you good news. We call it Good News Friday, and it’s going to equip and inspire you.

You’re going to see that, when you actually apply biblical worldview, when you apply a historical perspective, and good constitutional knowledge to the issues of the day, that you get victories and you get a great positive outcome. That’s why we encourage you not only to listen, but then share the program and apply the principles that we’re teaching here on WallBuilders Live.

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The World Needs More Cowboys

Well, I’m looking forward to some good news today. Let’s get to the good news David, Tim, where do we start?


I’m going to start with Wyoming. And I’ve got to say, I really like Wyoming. I like it a lot. I was up there last fall doing a roundup with some cowboys up there on a ranch, we’re going back here in a couple weeks to do the spring gather, there is just nothing like riding a horse in a country like that that’s so vast and open.

The ranches up there are like 25,000 acres, there’s only a half million people in all of Wyoming, which is a huge state. They’re just golden people, they are quality folks.

And rural folks, in so many ways, they tend to be so much like the Good Samaritan. They’ll give you the shirt off their back. They’re just good people. I find that all across the United States, in so many rural areas—and there’s good people in cities as well, I’m not saying that—but I just love rural areas, and I’ve always loved riding horses.

I’ve got friends, we take horse trips several times a year, and do ranch work on this stuff.

So, going to the University of Wyoming, the mascot for the University of Wyoming is the Cowboys. The motto for the university is The World Needs More Cowboys.

Now, from a personal standpoint, I’m going to say, “€œYeah! That’s exactly true! I like that!”€

Cowboys Racist? No

But here’s the problem: when you talk about cowboys, that’s kind of gender specific. It’s not really inclusive, and you think about what happened to the University of Missouri, and Evergreen State, and these other places, they had to get rid of their mascots and whatnot because the uprising of the academic faculty on campus said, “€œHey, you can’t do this gender phobic kind of stuff where you’re only doing one. You have to be inclusive.”€

At the University of Wyoming, a couple dozen faculty complain, and the Communication Professor, Tracey Payton, said that, quote, “€œWhat goes on behind the term cowboy is iracier, racism, sexism, hetero-sexism, and genocide.”€

The University’s Committee on Women and People of Color, they said, “€œThe marketing campaign that, The World Needs More Cowboys, it risks casting in the University of Wyoming as a place where only people who identify with white, male, able bodied connotations of cowboy.”€

Now, I’ll point out there’s a ton of black cowboys. There are black cowboy heroes, Bill Pickett and so many others.


For example, just do a basic search of Bass Reeves. Just start there and see what you discover on his story. Maybe you could argue he wasn’t a cowboy, except he made his living off horseback, but it certainly is over stereotype to presume that cowboys are only white. By the way, Caballeros, pretty sure they weren’t all whites, and I’m pretty sure they were cowboys.

A Good Stand by Common Sense Folks


I think that must be a Mexican-Spanish word. But here is this attempt, by academics who should know better, and a simple google search will show them better, and they’re coming out after the university, and all this stuff is public, and so they’re putting public pressure on it.

Obviously, with this kind of crisis, the board of trustees has to get together and vote. What are they going to do about it?

And kudos to the board of trustees, they voted unanimously to keep the slogan. Now, apparently it didn’t offend anybody except the professors. The university bookstore quickly sold out of the T-shirt with The World Needs More Cowboys. They had to keep putting more and more on the shelves. They went through roughly 5,000 shirts in the first six months, and then suddenly you have over 140 different outside groups coming to the University of Wyoming, asking if they can have some licensing rights to use that phrase, The World Needs More Cowboys.

Even a funeral home, when Tillman said, “€œCan we do a World Needs More Cowboys coffin? Can we use your motto on our coffins?”€

Unlike the University of Missouri, Evergreen State, and others, the enrollment numbers are going up at the University of Wyoming.

More than 25% of Cowboys were Black

It’s really good to have some common sense people pulling in the crazy professors, and people are rewarding the university for that. So when all this came out, out of a thousand different colleges, the University Wyoming’s video won the Best of Show and educational advertising award. So they’re getting recognized by all the common sense people, the academics don’t like it, but I think that was a really fun story how the common sense and really kind of blue collar America is winning out over the white collar academics.


And just for our academics that sometimes want to see some of the data of the roughly 35,000 cowboys working the ranches and riding the trails between 1866 and 1895, researchers have calculated that the number of black cowboys ranged from 5-9,000, representing 25 percent. That’s pretty remarkable. I’ve never seen that before.


That’s still true today if you watch the PBR. You will see people from all over North and South America, and you will see black, white, and brown, all different colors, different ethnicities. Cowboy is not a racist thought or term, but yeah, Rick, as you’re pointing out, people just don’t know the data. They don’t pay attention, and things get stereotyped and overgeneralized, and they don’t realize that they’ve made faulty assumptions that led them to improper conclusions.


By the way, I talked about white collar academics. Look, we got some great guys in there, and I’m not talking about them, but statistically speaking, when you look at the beliefs of the academic community in America, they are overwhelmingly on one side, and that’s the group we’re talking about.

Black Cowboys of the Old West


And by the way, just in case anybody wanted to look up that statistic I gave a few minutes ago, it’s in a book called Black Cowboys of the Old West, by Tricia Wagner.

All right guys. We’ve been a little bit long here, we’ve got a lot more good news to get to. We’ll be right back after the break. Tim’s got a piece of good news for us, so stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. After the final victory at Yorktown the Continental Army awaited the outcome of peace negotiations with Great Britain.

Pastor Israel Evans, a chaplain in the army, proposed to George Washington that they build a structure where church services can be held during the months of waiting. Washington approved the plan and urges officers to ensure that the soldiers attend that service.

Pastor Evans further knew if we were to secure the liberties they had fought for, sound education would be crucial.

He declared, “€œEvery parent and every friend to the freedom of his country ought to be attentive to the improvement of our youth and the principles of freedom and good government. And then the people will stand fast in their liberty for a long time.”€ Our schools today need to return to teaching the principles of freedom and good government in order for America to survive and prosper. For more information about Pastor Israel Evans and other colonial Patriots go to

A Miraculous Rescue


We’re back with WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. We”€™re back with some more good news coming at you right now from Tim Barton. Tim?


All right guys, this was coming out of Paducah, Kentucky. This is something that I did see some news coverage on when it happened. It certainly did not go as wide as this story, to me, would warrant. The title of this article is this: Tornado Rips Roof from Church as 40 Kids are Miraculously Shielded while Singing Jesus Loves Me.

Now, do you guys remember hearing about this a couple weeks ago?

The story of a tornado where it destroyed lots of property?

Fifty three hundred homes lost power in this scenario, but did you all see the news cover the story of these kids saved?


I heard nothing about it.


First I’ve heard of it.


  1. So guys, absolutely remarkable. This was a pre-K. It was 40 preschool kids, and there were actually 10 church staff members who were there. It was from Mt. Zion Baptist Church in Paducah, Kentucky.

A tornado was coming through, sirens were going off, many people in that area apparently had storm shelters, because there were people getting in storm shelters.

The sheriff came out later and said, miraculously, nobody was injured by this.

Here’s a quote from the sheriff, “€œThe almighty hand of God has provided safety to our community.”€

Now, first of all, I respect the sheriff can recognize that there is an almighty hand of God. That’s great.

God”€™s Protection, God”€™s Safety

But here’s what’s remarkable, as a tornado was coming, they don’t have a storm shelter for these students. There’s 50 people. So they take them into the innermost room of the church while they are there, and the staff actually reported that the roof was ripped off the building.

The only room in the entire church that did not have damage to it was the room they were in.

It gets more interesting.

As the storm raged around them, here”€™s what the article says, “€œThey sang songs like Jesus Loves Me and He’s Got the Whole World in His Hands.”€




I love it.


The room they were in was the only one that wasn’t damaged.

Just… guys, talk about a cool story. I can imagine that moment is probably—the faith of those kids is encouraged, that this could be emotionally traumatic with the noise, the sound, the roof being ripped off, but they were totally safe.

And not only did the sheriff recognize the hand of God, but there’s many other people from the community who talked about God’s protection, God’s safety.

An Amazing Story

It”€™s absolutely a cool story, what could have been a devastating story, we could’ve been reading about 40 kids and 10 staff members who were dead after this tornado. Instead there’s this incredible story of them all being alive.

We would argue, by what the sheriff said, it”€™s the almighty hand of God. Yes, God”€™s divine providence protected these kids and kept them alive. There’s pictures online, you can go in and see the roof actually ripped off, but just a cool story of God’s protection over young people, and kind of a fun part as they’re singing Jesus Loves Me and He’s Got the Whole World in His Hands.


And yes he does. He does. All right guys. Quick break, we’ll be back after the break. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip


Hi, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders and I want to encourage all the pastors out there with a unique opportunity that we’re presenting it WallBuilders. We’re doing a special tour just for pastors that you can come and learn more about the spiritual heritage of our nation. Not just seeing the sights but understanding the significance of what they are and what they represent.

We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties  and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor”€™s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

An Unstable Population


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. We are saving the audience from my singing of He’s Got the Whole World in His Hands on the break. We won’t run our audience off by sharing that with you. But we will get into some more good news! So I think David’s next with good news.


I’m going to Europe for this one. I’m going to talk about the growth of population in Europe, and every nation that intends to have at least a stable population, that is no growth at all, you need what’s called a fertility rate of 2.1. In other words, every couple needs to be producing 2.1 children if the population is going to have no growth at all.

So that’s a couple of kids average, some will have three, some will have two. But when you look across the nations of Europe, the highest fertility rate in Europe is Denmark, at about 1.7.

So they’re below repopulation, or what they call replenishment rates, which affects where do you get the income to be able to take care of all the population? As people grow old, where do you get the income to be able to help them?

They’re facing real economic problems because they don’t have enough people to generate the economics they need, and the economics they’ve had over recent years as they’ve set spending levels. They need so much money to fund these programs, or whatever, but they’re falling in population.

Imminent Immigrant Takeover

How do you handle that? Well, in Europe what they’re doing is they’re saying, “€œThis is where we want open immigration. This is where we want to invite all sorts of other people to come in. We need people to be able to pay taxes and give money to the government. Here’s what we want.”€

And this is where you’ve had such an influx of Muslim immigrants coming in, and the fertility rate among Muslim immigrants is not the 2.1, it often is 6 or 7 or 8 depending on what nation they’re from.

So it looks like, in about 25 years, that most of these European nations will be majority Muslim just simply by having all these immigrants come in who have kids when you’re folks who live there and are citizens, they’re not having kids. So this is the dilemma that they’re having. This is why the European Union is pushing open migration and open immigration.

This is why they’re going after countries like Poland, and the Czech Republic, and others that are saying, “€œHey, we don’t want open immigration. We have other ways of dealing with this.”€

Here’s one of the ways it”€™s being dealt with, and this is from Hungary.

Hungary has told the EU that they don’t want open migration, they’re not going to do that. They have other ways to be able to increase their fertility rate other than just bringing outside people in.

End Abortion, Promote Marriage

So in a radical move for Europe, what has happened is they have said, “€œYou know what? We’re going to stop aborting our babies. On top of that, we’re going to fight against divorces. We’re going to try to keep marriages together, and we’re going to increase marriage.”€

So in Hungary, they’re actually, instead of like America where we fund single parents and we fund more kids and you have outside of marriage, the more money we give you instead—and by the way, in America we often call this the marriage penalty. You get less economic help from the government if you’re married than if you’re unmarried. So we’re subsidizing those who are unmarried and hungry. They’re going the other way. What’s happened in Hungary is that abortions over the last seven years have dropped by one third. Divorces have plummeted by about the same. Marriages have increased by 42 percent in Hungary.

The government even provides adoption services, they encourage adoption, they have counseling for expectant mothers.

One of the things that has really set the EU off against Hungary is that the government has this advertising campaign, and it’s a pro adoption poster. It shows an unborn baby in its mother’s womb, and the baby is speaking in the mother’s womb, and it says, “€œI understand that you’re not yet ready for me, but give me up to adoption agencies. Let me live.”€

That”€™s the babies speaking inside the mother’s womb. They’ve got this really pro family policy in Hungary.


Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. David, That’s a government funded public service announcement?

Hungary Makes a Stand, but Not Alone


That is a government poster that they run.

And of course the EU doesn’t like that because it’s not pro-abortion.

So this, if you need more population, how about doing it the biblically sound way instead of killing your kids and telling everybody else in the world come in and populate us?

And by the way, that’s where you lose the uniqueness of your nation. You become like the nations that all come in, and you’re no longer unique. Hungary is a unique nation, and there’s some great traits there, but they are one of those younger Christian nations, if we can use that term.

There’s so many Christians there and whether it’s them or Romania, which Tim talked about Romania last week, or whether it’s the Czech Republic, or whether it’s Poland and Ukraine.

Amid these nations, they are really trying to reflect some sound policies, and those sound policies actually happen to be biblically friendly policies. So great news coming out of Europe, another country pushing back against the secular EU and trying to do good things for the family and Hungary.

Good news for what they’re doing there to increase population.


Yeah, very good news. OK guys. Quick break, we have one more segment of good news left today. We’ll be right back. Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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We Want To Hear Your Vet Story


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What Does the First Amendment Protect?


We”€™re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today on this Good News Friday. One more segment of good news starts right now. Tim Barton gets it. Tim?


This is a case dealing with the First Amendment—now it”€™s Good News Friday, so we’re gonna talk something positive, and it’s positive dealing with a case that was actually argued on First Amendment grounds. Now, just for the listeners, Rick, what are the five freedoms the First Amendment deals with or protects?


Don”€™t ask him. He’s an attorney. He has no clue.


I certainly didn’t learn in law school. I learned from this guy named David Barton, got me reading the Constitution.


If it wasn’t for the fact that you and him did Constitution Alive together, where you actually teach the Constitution, and you actually go through the freedoms of the First Amendment, maybe I would question it. No. Rick actually teaches this on a weekly basis so I have great confidence that he can handle this. So, Rick, the freedoms of the First Amendment?


The pressure is on. OK. So that we would be willing to die for all of these, I think, most of us would anyway, and certainly religion, at the top of the list, and probably the most precious of all of those, but freedom of speech, just as well, because that’s the right to express what you actually believe and disagree sometimes when you don’t. Freedom of the press, the right to assemble, even as we’re doing now in this radio studio, and then to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

A Law to Prevent the Abuse of Corpses


Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You are now among 1 in 1,000 Americans—polling shows only one in 1,000 can do what you just did, Rick.


1 in 1,000. Yeah. Which, obviously, guys, is part of why we do what we do to try to increase that percentage a little bit now. Let me ask this question: now that we know the first five freedoms the first Amendment deals with, which of those freedoms deals with research?


Because that”€™s the part of the first… you know, I saw a poll that said 23% of Americans think the right to own a pet is in the 1st Amendment. I think it’s in that part of the First Amendment with the pets.


No. OK. Here’s what’s crazy. This is a law Indiana passed in 2016 that prohibits anyone from intentionally acquiring, receiving, selling, or transferring fetal tissue, also known as aborted babies, punishable by a level five felony in Indiana, also required that aborted babies, their bodies be cremated or buried after they”€™re aborted.

So here’s what was going on. Listeners, if you remember, there was a issue for a while with Planned Parenthood, where there were some videos that exposed the fact that they were selling baby parts. That was something in the videos.

The guy that did the video actually, there was a lawsuit brought against him because he was exposing some of what’s going on. But there was this whole issue of selling baby parts.

A Lawsuit for the Use of Aborted Corpses for Research

Indiana University was getting baby parts, and they were using them in their research departments. Well, actually, there was a professor they documented that had been using fetal tissue, which is aborted baby tissue, in his research since 2011.

So the state came out and said, “€œWait a second, you cannot do anything with aborted babies except cremate them and bury their bodies. That is the only options you have. We’re not using them for research.”€

You can imagine the whole industry that could come from this. Well, so here’s what”€™s interesting. So, the Indiana University, that actually was from the trustees of Indiana University, they sued to overturn the law in 2016, claiming it infringed on the university’s first amendment academic freedoms.


Oh my gosh. Where did they get that? Don’t tell me, that attorney graduated from their law school?


What freedom of the First Amendment grants you the right to do research on aborted babies? Just staggering. Well, here’s the problem, they actually won at the lower level court.

This was appealed. It actually went to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. The 7th Circuit Court of Appeals overturn this and said, “€œNo, you have no right to be able to conduct this research under First Amendment grounds. You don’t have those rights.”€

And they further instructed that, “€œYou cannot go back and sue the state of Indiana, because, as being Indiana University, you are part of Indiana, and you cannot sue your own entity. You cannot sue yourself.”€

So hopefully it puts a complete stop to this nonsense. So the good news is the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld the standard that nope, you cannot do research on aborted babies.

This is Why We, as Christians, Must get Involved

But this is just significant as we talk about the fight for life, and the value of life, and all the good news that’s happening with life. There is a reason that states are passing so many of these pro-life laws, because this kind of nonsense is happening. Most people that know Indiana, Indiana is not a place you think of as a liberal bastion. That’s not a super secular, liberal place.

Yet at Indiana University, a professor, since 2011, has been using aborted fetuses—fetuses is what they’re saying, fetal tissue, but that comes from aborted babies, as part of research. This is why we have to engage in the fight. This is why, as Christians, we have to be activated to protect and defend life. It’s one of the many things we have to get involved in. But this is good news, that the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals recognized, “€œNope, this is not a First Amendment issue, and no, you can’t do that.”€


So, at the end of the day, really good news, but also revealing of why we have to stay engaged in the fight.

Well, I guess I gotta say to our listeners in Indiana—we have several stations in Indiana that carry this program—all our listeners in Indiana, you need to be petitioning your legislature to get the University of Indiana under control, because it’s not—just what Tim just mentioned—that’s also where the Kinsey Institute is.

Indiana Bans Sale of Aborted Baby Parts and More on Good News Friday!

There is no reason the Kinsey Institute should even still be around and funded in any way by any public dollars. You should go study and read just how bad the Kinsey Institute is, and how they used the research of pedophiles to change the world’s view of sexuality, it’s a lot of horrific stuff there. But it’s all right there at Indiana University, so yes, Indiana, you’ve been funding those kind of things, and you can put a stop to it by telling your legislators to put a stop to it.

There’s a lot of good things happening in that result when you let your voice be heard. You can change those things and there can be positive outcomes.

If we stand up and give or refuse our consent just like the Declaration of Independence says that we should. Consent of the governed, that’s how this system works. Thanks so much for listening today to all the good news. Thanks to David and Tim for compiling, of course. We’ll have more for you next Friday. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.