Biblical Citizenship in Modern America, Week 8 – Let’s Take Action: What is at the core of our fight for freedom? What was our nation truly founded on? Do you want to become a catalyst for the restoration of Biblical values and Constitutional principles? Do you understand how to make a positive difference in your community? Tune in to hear the final week of Biblical Citizenship in Modern America and discover how you can take action!

Air Date: 11/15/2022

Guest: Charlie Kirk, George Barna, Michelle Bachmann, Barry Loudermilk, Dr. Carol Swain, Ps. Rob McCoy, Kirk Cameron, Ps. Jack Hibbs, Rabbi Lapin

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It’s WallBuilders Live. We’re taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. My name is Rick Green. I’m a former Texas legislator and America’s constitution coach. Normally here with David Barton, he’s America’s premier historian, and our founder here at WallBuilders, and also Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders.

But you’re actually going to hear from the three of us in a recorded program that we’re going to play throughout the rest of this week. It’s week eight of Biblical Citizenship. Now, that might sound a little bit confusing that we’re going to play week eight throughout this week. So let me explain.

Biblical Citizenship is the course that absolutely has exploded across the nation. Thousands and thousands of coaches across the country have taken that course into their churches and into their homes. It is amazing what’s happening in these communities that are doing the Biblical Citizenship in Modern America course.

People are running for office. People are getting active people are getting engaged. Most importantly, they’re finding hope. They’re realizing they’re not alone. They’re realizing the principles of liberty still work when they’re infused into the culture. And they’re most importantly, realizing they can do something about it, that there are action steps that each of us can take.

Well, that is an eight-week course called Biblical Citizenship. It’s a video course. And of course, digital workbooks or physical workbooks, or however you want to do it, and we give it away for free. So the digital version of the course, the videos, everything, we give that away to churches and groups. All you got to do is sign up as a coach at That’s

But when we do the course, it’s an eight-week course. So we get people to gather together once a week, say Sunday afternoon at your church, after church or maybe Monday nights or whatever it works out for you. You gather once a week for about two hours and you watch the video and you have discussion. You sit around and you talk about these things. You sharpen each other’s countenance, applying the things that you learned in the videos.

Great Guests!

And the videos are chock full of great guests. I mean, Kirk Cameron does the thing on the monument, we got Tim Barton teaching on a response to the 1619 project; of course, David Barton all over the course teaching about the Constitution, teaching about truth, all of these things; and people like Rabbi Daniel Lapin and Congressman Barry Loudermilk, Pastor Rob McCoy, Pastor Jack Hibbs, there’s a lot of great folks in this thing, Jeremy Boreing from the Daily Wire. You don’t want to miss it. You want to enjoy Biblical Citizenship.

Now, if you haven’t gone through the whole course, or even if you have, this will be a great review. But for the rest of this week on WallBuilders Live, we’re going to be sharing with you week eight out of that eight-week course. Now that might sound weird that we’re starting with week eight. We’re not actually starting with week eight. We’ve played week one, week two, and I think, week three, and four, I can’t remember which ones for sure. But throughout the last year, so we’ve shared some of that here on WallBuilders Live.

But we wanted to do week eight because that’s the last week in the course, and it’s really the action week. This is when we really talk about what can you now do in your community? what can you do to help change this on the federal level, put the federal government back in its proper place?

What can you do on the local level, the state level? That’s what we’re going to be talking about throughout the rest of this week here on WallBuilders Live. So, I hope you enjoy it. Let’s jump right in. This is week eight of Biblical Citizenship in Modern America.



It’s our last night together. Okay. It doesn’t have to be our last night together because we’re going to start another class next week. Right? Alright. Wherever you are, if you’re having your class online, if you’re having your class in a living room or in a church, tonight make sure they know when the start date is for the next class because we’re just going to keep rolling over getting more people educated on how to be good biblical citizens. Now, this week, we’re going to wrap it all up by talking about the action steps that we can all take.

It’s not enough to just talk about this stuff. It’s not enough to just believe on it. John Hancock said, “I urge you by all that is honorable, by all that is dear, by all that is sacred, not only to pray, but to act.” We have got to put some works with that faith, right? Faith without works is dead.

So this week, we’re going to talk about some of those works. We’re going to talk about how to make a difference in our communities, how to be the catalyst for a restoration of biblical values and constitutional principles, some of those specific action steps.

We got a lot of great guests for tonight. We’re going to have a panel up here live with our class here in Thousand Oaks, California. We’re going to talk about what they’ve been doing to take action. We’re also going to have a lot of great interviews that we bring in and examples of people that have been taking action in their communities and making a difference.

And then we’re going to challenge you to do the same at home. This week is all about the duty of citizens, how to be soft in light in our communities, not just in our church, but outside the four walls of our church and our final week together for Biblical Citizenship in Modern America.

President Ronald Reagan once said “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” That statement is more true now than ever before.

Biblical Worldview

Guest 1:

Well, and so many Christians are confused because they’re being told things by from different people such as our Christian shouldn’t do anything in government, stay out of that. It’s not what the Bible says. In fact, we’re called to be biblical citizens.


Biblical principles are what produced freedom of society. But you won’t have biblical principles in society in which you don’t have citizens with a biblical worldview.

Guest 2:

The truth of the matter is most Americans don’t have a biblical worldview, which means that they have to draw on or they’ve chosen to draw home other worldviews that are available to them.


The further we move away from biblical principles, the further we move away from liberty and freedom.

Guest 3:

Remember, in the Old Testament after the Scripture been hidden for so long, and it was brought out and it was read before the people, the people wept with joy because there’s freedom and law.

Guest 4:

I have found over the years that the only really reliable matrix to reality is the biblical blueprint.

Guest 5:

We’ve relegated to say, look, politics is dirty. That’s what pastors say, politics is dirty, I don’t do politics. Well, the church is dirty. What’s your point?

Guest 6:

There’s so many people today that educated at institutions where they come out as secular humanists. And so there’s no fear of God.

Christians Must Care About Culture

Guest 7:

If you’re a Christian, a person of faith, you must care about what’s happening in our culture, you must get involved in voting.

Guest 8:

The Constitution is so unique. It is the only Constitution that actually limits government.

Guest 9:

So in other words, if you put bad people into a broken structure, you’re going to get bad results. If you have a bad system, you elect good people that go into a bad system, you’re still going to get a bad result.

Guest 10:

And the founders knew this nation was already very diverse, and federalism allows that diversity to flourish.

Guest 11:

And you begin to love what God loves and hate what He hates in the scriptures, because your heart is lining up with the heart of God because of the gospel.

Guest 12:

It is astounding to me how many people in America have been indoctrinated into a condition of complete ignorance.

Guest 13:

I think biblical citizenship as a Christian would be stewardship, that God has given us this republic to be stewards over.

Guest 14:

in terms of actually having a biblical perspective on things, even in terms of believing that the Bible is a trustworthy document to give them guidance for their future, most Americans are not in that place.

What Happened?


As people are experiencing tyranny, we they’re asking why? What has happened? And there’s just this feeling of being lost right now and not knowing where to turn, and you just gave us the foundation. This is truth.

Guest 15:

And it struck me right then in there that this is really what it comes down to. All of this matters, the fight for life, the fight for basic biological standards, the fight for school choice, the fight for taxes, the fight for sovereignty, the fight for borders. However, if we don’t recognize this as a spiritual war, first and foremost, that they are fighting for the abolition of a belief in the Divine, then we’re just arguing X’s and O’s when there’s a much bigger picture at play here.

Because as soon as you get a college leftist, especially, to admit that there is a God, a ubiquitous, an omniscient God that has power over them that has granted the rights to, all of a sudden, maybe government doesn’t matter as much, all of a sudden, that clump of cells that they think is in that they call a fetus actually might be a life. If you admit there’s a God, all of a sudden right and wrong are not an opinion anymore.

Guest 16:

I think a lot of people today want talk about authenticity, and us being relatable, and yet we’re missing it. Our nation was founded upon the pulpits that were ablaze. Alexa de Tocqueville talked about that, where pastors spoke to the issues of the day, and that caught the attention of the people.

Instead of us trying to make our ministry relevant today, all we need to do is rely upon the Word of God and speak the Word of God into the issues of life, that makes us relevant. The Holy Spirit, the Bible is relevant. And I think we’ve lost that in the last 60-80 years in America.

People Resonate with Truth

If we get back to doing that, I think we’ll see our nation recover both in our cultural awareness and certainly our biblical relatability where Christians are speaking into the culture truth. People resonate to truth, if they’re hungry for it. They need to see it.

Guest 17:

When we look at biblical worldview development, what we hear from pastors, four out of five of them say they’re doing either an excellent or very good job of helping people to develop a biblical worldview within their churches. And most of them say that the majority of the people in their church have a biblical worldview.

The only problem with that is when we then went back to their congregations and evaluated what’s going on, we found that more than four out of five of the people in those congregations do not have a biblical worldview. So there’s a real problem between what they say is happening and what’s actually happening, which says, we need to change the process, what we’re doing isn’t working.


I don’t know if Americans lost or not. But what I know is, God doesn’t need me to do the work of saving America. God unfolds history, according to His own design, according to His own purpose. And all we can do is live our lives in faith.

All we can do is take the steps that are right in front of us. You know, at the Daily Wire, we fight hard. But we know that we’re not ultimately responsible for the outcomes. That’s up to a Higher Power than us.

And so I guess I stay joyful by just not carrying the burden of feeling like it’s up to us. And instead, I focus on living a life of meaning, living a life of fulfillment, living the life of faith and living the life of happiness.

Your Voice Matters

Guest 19:

80% of the people in nation are exasperated with Washington. They have no voice. There’s no efficiency, no effectiveness, no accountability of government, and they trust the people in the States. They have more access to the people in the States.

Their voice matters more in the States. And that’s exactly what the design was meant to do. So if we want our voice back, if we want more accountability in government, we want more effective government, we need to follow that original recipe.

It’s time to repaint the lines on the field. It’s time to understand that we’ve got an issue with that machine, that bike. It’s not about having a stronger rider yanking the bike to the left, to the right.

We’ve got to balance those tires out. And it’s up to the states. It’s up to the states. We have to pull. We don’t have to pull hard. But we have to pull always. We have to pull together. And clearly, we can do what the Founders have laid down.


This is our final chapter, our final time together, which means we’re going to talk about what to do with all this knowledge. So we go in and study the Constitution. We talk about what the Founding Fathers intended. But then what do we do about it?

What is our job as citizens? And what do we see in the Constitution is our role? You know, when our first time in Philadelphia, I talked about going through the Constitution and saying, where do we see ourselves? We always complain about the public servants. But what about we the people and doing our duty?

There’s a Lot to Do


And there’s a lot we can do. And by the way, there’s a lot of low hanging fruit out there. And you’re going to cover some of the things we need to do today. I’ll just throw some other things out.

If you go back to the notion of what we had the beginning that you’re supposed to teach the rising generation, do you know federal law stipulates that on every September the 17th, which is the day they sign the Constitution, every September 17th, every public school in America is set aside on that day time to study and read the Constitution go over it. And according to the Department of Education, and federal agencies, 90% of public schools do not follow that law.


Don’t follow that law.


Don’t follow that law. So even though that’s federal law that would teach the Constitution, 90% of public…


So what can I do about that in my community?


Here’s what you do. You go say, hey, can I come in to fifth grade class and give a 30 minute presentation of the Constitution? I’ve just learned 10 lessons here, and I want to go through and I want to show you what Article I is, Article II is.

I want to show you the success of American compared to every other nation. I want show you why we’ve been successful. I want show you our freedom, sir. I’m going to show you the Declaration, the six principles in our Declaration…

Constitution Day


Wait, wait, are you suggesting that we could actually produce ambassadors for the Constitution all over the country in the local school districts?


And you know what, I’ll bet that you can go to the local businesses around, go to the auto supply shop, go to the restaurants, go to folks and say, hey, will you guys contribute, we want to leave a copy of the Constitution with every fifth grader in every school around us? Because you can get those things for cheap. They’re relatively cheap. And get that, and go to a 30 minute presentation on how great the Constitution is and you need to know it…


Get some posters of the Constitution and the Declaration. Get them in your local school district.


That’s it. And post that in the district, give those your history teacher say hey, put these… There’s so many things we can do this low hanging fruit. But you know what? You teach the rising generation. And why…


I mean, we want to go for some of these big wins, right? But you don’t just focus on that one big “Hail Mary” pass. There’s a bunch of this blocking and tackling, if you will, that we can go out there and do a little rhymes and make a big difference.


Exactly. That’s what the Founding Fathers believed in incrementalism. And by the way, that’s also a biblical principle that comes out of Deuteronomy 7, Exodus 23, God says, I’m going to give it to you but only little by little.


Alright, timeout, folks, we got to take a quick break. We’ll be right back. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.


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Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. We’re going to dive right back in where we left off. You’re listening to Biblical Citizenship in Modern America. It’s the eighth week of the eight-week course and we’re sharing with you all throughout this week on WallBuilders Live. Let’s jump back in.


Any football team that goes for a “Hail Mary” pass, every play will lose a game, you know, they’ll connect about one out of 50. But if you go for three yards here and four yards here and I lost two yards here, but I gain seven on next week, if you go for those short games, that’s where you start winning games. And that’s the way we need to approach this thing with the Constitution.

Plant the Seeds of Freedom

You know, I don’t know maybe there’s only 25 kids in that fifth grade class. What’s that? That’s 25 kids who didn’t know anything until you get there and told them.


That’s right. And one of those kids may someday be the mayor of our town; on your school board might be the president of the United State.


And so there are so many things we can’t, we need to think outside the box. I said, okay, I got to find a way to share this. And I’ve just gone through a great course, Constitution Alive. Who can I tell? And you get that kind of mentality. And so, in this lesson, as you go through responsibility as citizens, start thinking, how do I apply? Where can I put this into practice? What can I do? I can’t find three people to talk to. Whatever it is, just start sitting low goals, and start doing that and it will make a difference.


Yeah, no doubt about it. There’s something everybody can do. I mean, nobody could possibly say I have nothing I could do to make a difference on this. I love what you just said about thinking outside the box. It’s almost like a free market competition thing. They can get out there and find ways to make a difference in your community. We’re going to go back to Philadelphia to Independence Hall, one more time and talk about the duty of citizens, what we can do to save the Constitution.

What Do We Do as Citizens

Our final section on doing our duty, because the question is, now that we’ve gone through the Constitution, now we have a better idea of the quickstart guide of where to plug everything into, what do we do as citizens? Now how do we turn this thing on? How do we actually participate in our government in the right way? What do we do?

Well, right off the bat, we talked about in the Constitution, we’re looking for the things we’re supposed to do. Let’s flip back real quick to the very first part. Article I, Section I, actually, the first place that we see a responsibility for we the people is Section II. So the very first word, what’s the first word in the Constitution, not including the preamble? We’re into the part that has the force of law, the first word in the Constitution where we the people have a responsibility?

Guest 1:

Chosen by the…


Chosen, who said that? You go, girl, that’s it. Chosen, that is the word. “So the House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people. So that’s the first place we see our jobs. So even in Article I, Section II, right there, voting, that’s our job. That’s the first place we have a responsibility.

Now I know some people say my vote doesn’t count. It’s not going to make any difference. Look, if you think your vote doesn’t count, living proof of standing before you right now. When I ran for the legislature in 1998 back in Texas, 30,000 people voted in my race. 30,000, I lost by 20 votes. 20 votes! Now, I don’t know about in your state.

Where I live 20 vote, man, that’s an average size homeschool family right there. That’s just one average homeschool family 20 votes. In fact, you probably heard of 19 kids and counting, you know, the Douglas? I called Jim Bob that night, I said, man, if you just lived in my district, out of one. I mean, one family could have taken care of it, right?

Look, everybody can make a difference. In fact, the guy standing next to me, when they told me I lost by 20 bucks. He said 20 votes! He said, Rick, I could have got you 20 more votes to which I wanted to lay hands on him without prayer. You know, that was not a good time to tell me 20 bucks, anyway. We had a recount in my particular election and I ended up winning by 36 votes. So I lost by 20. We recount, the vote switches and I win by 36. We found some hanging chads.

Every Vote Counts…Truly

And so I ended up winning by 36. And then now this was 1998, alright, and 2000 hadn’t happened. Remember the Florida election and all the chaos? So that 1998, I went on a recount. Nobody knows what a recount is or hanging chad, I mean, it was news. I get this call the day after the election.

Now who is Governor of Texas in 1998? George Bush. I get this phone I said Representative Rick Green, we have Governor Bush on the phone. Can you take the call? What would you say? Take that call, man. Alright. He gets on the phone, he said Rick, he said boy, that was close. He said, I’m officially dubbing you “Landslide Green”. He laughed. Man, he thought that was funny in 1998

It wasn’t so funny in 2000, was it? Kind of had his own little recount to deal with, you know what I mean? So he has a recount too. Now think about presidential election, in 2000, President of the United States by 537 votes. 537 votes determined President of the United States. Don’t ever tell me your vote doesn’t count. Every chance you get let your voice be heard and your values counted. Every vote counts. No question about it.

And here we have in Article 1, our choice So that’s what’s going to determine what our Congress looks like. How many quotes Did we already talked about last night? James Garfield talking about it’s up to us. It’s up to the people. John Francis Mercer from the Constitutional Convention saying it’s not the document that’s going to govern us, it’s the men we put to the government that will govern us. So it’s our choice. We got to choose wisely.

It’s not just showing up and whatever name sounds good, or are they in the right party and all those things that sometimes influences too much. We got to know who the person is, what they stand for, what their voting record is, what they’re going to do. So here’s some advice for you. This comes from Noah Webster, one of our Founding Fathers, great guy, great educator as well, he said, “When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands for you to choose for your rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God.

We Get To Choose Our Leaders

The preservation of our government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty. If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office” now listen to this, this is like a prophecy of where we are today, he said “if we neglect our duty”, what we’re supposed to do under Article I, he said, and “We place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted, laws will be made not for the public good so much is for selfish our local purposes.” Anybody say bridge to nowhere?

“Corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws and the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men, and the right of the citizens will be violated or disregarded.” If our government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.”

What’s he saying? It’s up to us Article I right there says it’s our job to choose those leaders. The Good Book says when the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people grown. In our nation, we get to choose. That as a right that most people who ever lived on a planet did not have.

We get to choose our leaders. We forget how special this system is. Most people that ever lived on the planet, they only knew tyranny and oppression. We get to choose our leaders, folks. Let’s make sure we’re choosing wisely.

You know, what happens is if we’re not involved, we see these bad results in our economy or in our nation or in our culture. Those bad results didn’t just happen. Those bad results were the result of bad policy. That bad policy comes from a certain group of people. I used to call them foolish politicians.

My wife said that wasn’t nice. So now I say ill-advised officials. Okay. So I’m being touchy feely, I guess, anyway. These ill-advised officials, where do we get them? From us, right, choice of the people.

A Challenge

So here’s what I want to challenge you to do. Instead of just showing up in November, and complaining about the options, how often do we do that, right? I mean, it’s easy to show up at the party and look at all the desserts out there on the table and say, well, I don’t like any of those.

Where’s my gooey, chewy chocolate chip, or whatever? You know, we complain about what’s there, takes a little work to show up a little early and get in the kitchen, right?

We need to show up early. Get in the kitchen, and be part of mixing up the ingredients that will provide for the options when everybody else shows up. So that’s what I’m asking you to do. Get inside the mixing bowl of our process that these guys created. Don’t just show up in November. Get involved long before that.

Here’s the three ingredients in our mixing bowl that you and I can impact as citizens. Number one is the knowledge of the people. We got to start there. We got to start with the education of the people so that we know what the principles are, what these guys put in place.

And then we can take those principles and we can measure the candidates by the principles. But if we don’t know the plumb line, we don’t know what to look for. If we get educated about the principles, then we can go to the next step. And that’s the pool of candidates.

So we get the knowledge of people. That’s what we’re doing with our class. That’s what we do back home. That’s why I want you to take this class and open up your home and have people come over and watch the DVDs, doing your Sunday school classes and your school wherever you want to do it. Educate the people about what happened here in this room with the Founding Fathers.

Influence the Pool

And then influence the pool of candidates. Maybe you in this room, running; maybe asking some people that you know that have been good leaders in business or education or in church or whatever it might be, if they’ve shown leadership skills, ask them to run for school board or the legislature, or Congress, whatever it might be.

So we improve the pool of candidates and then the actions of the citizens. That means us impacting the political process. We’re knocking on the doors, making the phone calls, contributing to candidates giving of our time. If we’ll do those three things: knowledge of the people, pull the candidates, and actions of the citizens, you get in that mixing bowl, that will create a better choice for the people.

So now the options when you show up are going to be better. If we’re involved back in the primaries, we’re involved in in helping to recruit people to run, educate people about that, not just voting in November, but voting in the primary, you’re influencing your primary back home in your state is going to be about 10 times your influence in the general, because so few people show up in the primary. You’re going to have much greater influence your one vote or your efforts in influencing that vote out there. You do that, we’ll get a better choice in November, then you’ll have statesmen and patriots at all levels of government instead of politicians.

You know the difference between a patriot and politician, right? A politician is only thinking about the next election. A patriot like these guys is thinking about the next generation. These guys thought generationally. They didn’t do things for themselves. They made their decisions thinking, okay, I need to be thinking 30 years down the road, 100 years down the road.

Biblical Citizenship in Modern America, Week 8 – Let’s Take Action

What did Ben Franklin tell us? He said he gave us a republic if we could keep it. So we’ve got a great system, but it’s our job to keep it. We get those statesman and patriots, we get good policy, that will give us the good results. It’s easy to agree on what the good policy is. The hard part is getting into the system and work in the system. So there’s your three ingredients.

You know, what I’m really asking you to do? I’m asking you to give of your lives, your fortunes and your sacred honor, just like these guys did. When they came forward and signed beneath that amazing final sentence and they pledged their lives fortune, that sacred honor, they gave it, I’m asking you to give of your life, your time.

Your life is your time. I’m asking you to give a few hours a week to help work the system because the system will work, what they created will work if we’ll work. Your fortunes, giving of your money to good causes out there, good candidates out there that will be good government. And sacred honor, that’s the willingness for all of us to stand up and speak the truth.

Don’t be afraid. Let the chips fall where they may. People are going to call me. They do call me all kinds of names. You know what? And shooting at me. I mean, these guys that served and were willing to give their lives and our bullets whizzed past their heads, that’s sacrifice. Man, it’s easy for me to stand up, speak the truth and let people call me whatever they want. That’s sacred honor: lives, fortunes and sacred honor. Give of it. Invest in those three areas.


Alright, friends, we’re out of time for today. We’ll pick it up right where we left off today. So tomorrow, we’ll be diving right back into Biblical Citizenship in Modern America. Thanks so much for listening to WallBuilders Live.