Biblical Worldview, Five Worldviews Christians Have That Aren’t Scriptural: In this episode, we talk with Summit Ministries’ Dr. Jeff Myers about his new book, “The Secret Battle of Ideas about God” and also about his youth summer camp called, “Summit.” His book and summer camp are both all about enlightening people to know truth and equipping them to stand firm on their Biblical worldview. Today, many Christians have a worldview that doesn’t line up with the Bible. Tune in now to hear the 5 worldviews in the church today that you won’t find in scripture and learn how you can stand firm on your Biblical Worldview.
Air Date: 07/17/2017
Guests: Jeff Myers, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton
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What Is A WorldView
David, Tim, we’ve got Jeff Myers coming on later in the program to talk about Summit Ministries and his new book and some good worldview training for young people. But what is a worldview? We’re always throwing that out in the program and saying, “Biblical Worldview.” But some people may say, “What in the world are they talking about? Is that a new Google view of the entire planet?” What do we mean by a worldview?
It is simply the way you look at the world. It’s how the biases you have affect you. It’s the same as if you had on a pair of sunglasses that were yellow colored and everything has a yellow view to you. Or you put on sunglasses that are red colored, everything is red to you. That’s a worldview, it’s the way you see the world.
They used to, a generation ago, call it, “looking at the world through rose colored glasses” because it’s optimism, rose colored glasses, everything’s coming up as roses. That was the axiom they used.
So, looking at the world through rose colored glasses was saying, “This person sees everything in a positive light.” Well, your worldview is what affects the way you see things.
You can have a liberal or conservative worldview. You can have a country or a city worldview, you can have a left or right worldview, or an urban or a rural worldview. You can have all these world views.
For Christians, it should be a Biblical worldview. For Christians, if we see things through God’s lens of the Bible it doesn’t matter whether you grow up and enter New York City or whether you grow up on the plains of North Dakota, you will see things the same way. You should see marriage the same way, you should see life the same way, you should see rights and wrongs the same way, regardless of where you grow up. If you have a Biblical worldview because you simply saying, “I see the world through God’s Bible colored glasses.”
What would be another kind of worldview? If you’re not seeing it through your knowledge of the Bible and how God says we should see the world. What would be some other worldviews?
Certainly, Rick, we could point to other world religions that impact the way that other people view the world. But even here in America if we go beyond other world religions you have things like humanism, often referred to secular humanism.
Humanism is, of itself, secular by nature, but it’s secular humanism. It’s where man is the end. And, “Whatever I think, how I feel, and whatever I desire.” Man is the chief object and is the good of the world. We’re basically good and we were born good.
It really it kind of is a reference to, if you go back to the Book of Judges, where the Bible talks about the Israelites that every man did what was right in his own eyes. That’s kind of that subjective view which is part of this subjective secular humanistic perspective. There’s a lot of subjective nature in it.
In the midst of it, we also have a post modernistic culture. Post modernistic, the idea is that everybody determines for themselves what is right and wrong. So, again, that reference to the Book of Judges where everybody determines for themselves.
So is it fair to call it, I mean, would you say that it’s even your philosophy of things? Your way of seeing the world? Your philosophy about how things should work?
It’s your perspective on life. Whether we talk about relationships, or education, or government, or media, or entertainment, whatever the topic is, your worldview is what shapes your philosophy. It shapes your perspective on life, on what is right and wrong, on what is good and evil, or if there is even evil in some situations.
Your worldview is what determines all of that. So whether you are a secularist, or you’re an evolutionist, or you’re a humanist, or you can go down the list of all of these kinds of options out there that there are because there are a plethora of options.
And you can actually be part of some of all the above.
You could adopt some if you’re not well-grounded in one.
Having A Biblical Worldview
You can be a Christian who has a very liberal worldview. And the liberal worldview trumps what you know about the Bible. Or I can be a Christian and I think Jesus is the savior, but I think anybody who wants to can get married to anybody else they want to. Well, that’s not a Biblical worldview.
So, you might have a Christian name on you but not a Biblical worldview. And the same with so many other things. I was sitting on a plane coming in the other day with the guy who moved to Texas from California and he said, “Man, I’m really conservative on economic issues. But on social issues not so much. But I’m a strong Christian.” Well, maybe you are, but the Bible puts more emphasis on moral issues than it does economic issues.
So, we might equate to being a Christian and think, “I already have a Biblical Worldview.” But that’s not accurate.
Not in modern culture anymore. And certainly what it should be. If you said you’re a Christian, that used to mean, and should mean, that you believe the Bible, you’ve read it, you’ve studied it, and you apply it to your life.
But it’s no longer what it means. Most Christians today, we know through our conversations with George Barna, most Christians don’t have a Biblical worldview. They don’t use the Bible to help them determine reality, to determine moral behavior, to help them determine their words, and their actions, and etc.
In the midst of it, most Christians have bought into a post modernistic, a secular humanistic, et,c kind of worldview.
Even the thought with coexist bumper sticker. “What’s wrong with that?” Well, Jesus made a claim of exclusivity when he said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me.” So even though Jesus loved everybody-
And by the way, polling right now shows that 80 percent of professing Christians today in America believe that you can get to Heaven through ways other than Jesus Christ. And that’s current polling.
Eighty percent of Christians believe that some other way will get you into Heaven, including 46 percent of Christians who think that atheism will get you to Heaven. You don’t believe in God and get to Heaven.
It sounds like we’ve just left out most of the great commission. It’s like, “Oh yeah, I’ll take that salvation part. Getting my insurance card. But forget that part about teaching them to follow my commands and be disciples to follow what I taught.”
We leave all the other teaching out and forget the Biblical worldview because that’s really what we’re saying when we say, “Biblical worldview,” right? What are we taught in the Bible of how we should live our lives and what our position should be on issues?
Biblical Worldview Summer Camp
Rick, you’re exactly right. The Bible gives us guidance to every issue imaginable. Which is why- one of the things we talk about on the program before is about High Point Leadership camp up in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
It’s one of the things we try to do with young people is to help them see the connections from the Bible to culture. Actually, one of the reasons High Point started was David Pate, who is the guy who’s helping run, the camp director of High Point, he actually attended a camp when he was a senior in high school up in Colorado called Summit Ministries.
As he was up at Summit he attended this worldview camp. They gave him a foundation. And from that foundation, he literally took that and said, “I want to make sure not only that I know what is true, what’s Biblically true, how to apply that faith, but I want to help.”
He became a high school teacher, he said, “I want to help young people know how to connect to their faith.” And that actually is what ultimately led to a lot of what High Point has become and even the birth of my point was because of David’s connection to Summit Ministries.
And that teaching, I’ll tell you, Tim, it works and I know you do a lot of it with him. If even my 14, 15, or 16-year-olds have gone and said, “Dad, I sat through 30 hours of talks on worldview and applying the Bible and I actually enjoyed it. I took notes and I learned.” It’s phenomenal! They’re eating it up, they’re hungry for that clarity on, “What should I really believe, because what is truth? And show me the evidence.”
They really are. Kids want to know truth. And it’s not presented to them much in culture. And that’s something that that young people do desire Biblical training and we just don’t give it to them the way we should.
Well, one place where they can get it is at Summit Ministry. You mentioned David Pate went there. And so we have Dr. Jeff Myers on who has the head of Summit Ministries. That’s what they’re really good at is helping these kids, and the kids love it. It’s a two-week program and they go there. But every single Christian needs this kind of a Biblical worldview.
Dr. Jeff Myers when we come back. Stay with us here on WallBuilders Live!
Moment From American History
This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. Revisionists today often assert that our Founding Fathers were atheists, or agnostic, or deist. This charge is not new. In fact, Patrick Henry was even called a deist in his lifetime.
Clearly, no one could question his patriotism. But Henry was hurt that they would question his Christianity. Against the charges he was a deist, Patrick Henry thundered, “Deism with me is but another name for bias and depravity. I hear it is said by the deists that I am one of their number. And indeed, there are some good people think I am no Christian. This thought gives me much more pain than being called a traitor. Being a Christian is a character which I prize far above all this world has or can boast.”
Patrick Henry was quick to refute the charge of deism and to declare his open belief as a Christian. For more information on God’s hand in American history, contact WallBuilders at 1-800-8- REBUILD.
Summit Summer Camp
Welcome back to WallBuilders Live! Thanks for staying with us, our special guest today is Dr. Jeff Myers from Summit Ministries. They do incredible work and he’s got an amazing new book coming out, “The Secret Battle of Ideas About God.” Jeff Meyers, thanks for coming on, brother.
Hey, Rick, you bet. Glad to be with you.
First of all, before we dive into the book, thank you, thank you, thank you for what you guys do at Summit. Training thousands of young people in Biblical worldview every year. In fact, I’m sending three of my kids there next year. Can’t wait to get them involved in what you’re doing.
We talked to students all over the country that have benefited from it and we’re seeing them in every area of the culture. So just praise God for you man.
Well, thank you, Rick. A lot of our students will tell me, “Hey, I’ve been down with Rick and his team down there for their events too.” So it’s kind of a one, two punch. Works really well.
It’s a good marriage, absolutely. And by the way, you’ve still got a couple of them later in the summer. Not a lot of slots left, that are available next summer, wide open folks, go sign up. But even some slots later this summer. Mark Rayder was telling me when I ran into him.
Yeah, Rick, thank you. That’s a great point. If you can come the last two weeks of August, 16 to 22 years of age, I know that most students have plans but some don’t. And for one reason or another, not quite sure what’s going on, taking a gap year, or whatever. This will be a great time to come for two weeks and get this next school year kicked off in a great way.
And y’all have expanded now? Not just Colorado where Dr. Noble was doing it for years now -you’re in California and Tennessee, right?
We were talking and I have 187 students here at our place in Colorado and 197 at our place in Tennessee. So, yes, it has rapidly grown. We’re about 2,000 students this summer right now in programs and then, of course, in Christian schools and churches. Which Christian schools right now of about 50,000 students this fall studying our Summit “Understanding the Times” courses.
Of course, all of that is at Summit.org for anybody who wants information on any of those things. It’s a really easy website to get through. You can find out right away how Summit can help you if you’re preparing young adults to be leaders with a Biblical worldview.
Why Kids Need This Training
This question actually applies both to Summit and young people, actually going hands on, and doing the training, and also even the book itself. Why do we need to focus on worldview? Aren’t our kids getting all that at church? And from their parents? Aren’t they equipped already?
Well, Rick, here’s what we’re finding. We did a big study with the Barna Research Group, which as you know, is very well respected. We studied church going Christians, about 1500 of them across the country, we found that less than 20 percent of them have a biblical Worldview.
But 61 percent of them agree with ideas that are rooted in spirituality. Fifty-four percent agree with ideas that are rooted in the postmodern world view. Thirty-eight percent agree with ideas that are rooted in Islam. Thirty-Six percent in Marxism. And 29 percent of secularism. It seems like every world view is represented in the church except the Christian worldview.
I think it’s just because- pastors are so baffled by this. But they spend 30 hours a week preparing the sermon. The people in the pews spend 30 hours looking at Facebook, watching television, seeing billboards, and so forth. No wonder the culture has such an influence.
That makes sense. And those numbers you just gave, just to clarify, those are not of the general population of the whole country. You’re saying out of the church?
These are people who say, “Jesus is very important to my life. My Christian faith is very important to my life and I have been to church within the last month.” That is about as devout of a group as you will find in this country at this time.
Passing The Baton To The Next Generation
We had a Barna on three or four weeks ago when he was talking about this big study. Maybe the same one that he did with you guys. But like 10 percent of the country in general that actually have a Biblical worldview and 4 percent of millennials. So you’ve got your work cut out for you, brother.
Rick, we have our work cut out for us. There’s no question, it is the millennial generation. But I’d also say my generation, generation X, we cut it off at age 45 and said, “45 or younger, what are their statistics? And 45 and older, what are their statistics?” And are dramatic differences.
Somehow, the elder generation and the baby boom generation was not able to successfully pass the baton of Godly faithfulness to the two succeeding generations and we’re now seeing the fruit of that.
Two Free Chapters In My New Book
You talk about five different worldviews in the book that have the bad ideas that are seeping into the church and into the American mindset for sure, but now into the churches as well. Obviously, it’s a short program, but how do you break those five down and how do we how do we look for those? Maybe ask ourselves, “Am I being influenced by this?”
Absolutely. Rick, because time is so short, let me do two things. First of all, just give the website for the book so people can look into it more in-depth when they want to. It’s called, “SecretBattleBook.com.”
The book isn’t even out yet, but the first two chapters are free. You can just sign up there and get those.
You can also take the worldview check up yourself to see where you are on all of these worldviews.
The Five Different Worldviews
But the five world views I focus on are, first of all, new spirituality. They believe the physical world is an illusion, only the spiritual world exists. And the problem we face as human beings is that we don’t realize we are God.
The second worldview is the postmodern worldview. It looks back at the 20th century and all of the death and destruction and says, “All of that happened because people claim they knew the truth and they were willing to kill other people for it. So if we just stop claiming that we know the truth at all, everything will be better.” So the post-modernists looks at the world and says, “Our problem in the world is our obsession with truth.”
The third world view influencing people in the church today is Islam which says that the problem is rebellion against Allah. So a lot of people don’t know that Islam teaches that every person who has ever been born was born a Muslim.
If you’re not a Muslim now it’s because you are in rebellion against Allah and a cure for rebellion against Allah, according to the Koran, is Jihad which is a term we hear in the news all of the time. For most of our Muslim friends and neighbors that means just personal discipline of yourself to obey a law. But for a lot of people in the world, a scary number, this means arming yourself and forcing other people to obey Allah in the way you think he should be obeyed.
That’s a growing philosophy not shrinking.
A rapidly growing philosophy in the world and even in the West. The fourth worldview I focus on is Marxism. Some people are surprised by that because they saw Marxism sort of dry up in some countries in Eastern Europe.
But still, 20 percent of the people in the world, one in five, live in a Marxist country. And we all are influenced by Marxist doctrines probably more than we realize. Marxism says that the problem is the rich. Only the material world exists, there is no Heaven or Hell, there is no God, Jesus, or Holy Spirit, there are no angels, no devil, there is only the material world and we should all share it equally.
So if you look around and see that some people have more than others it’s because they’ve taken more than their fair share, the Marxist says. And the only question is how do we take it back. That’s how the Marxist looks at it.
The fifth worldview that I focus on is secularism which says that the problem in the world is a God belief. If people just quit believing in God, quit seeing God as relevant, then we could all get busy solving problems that face us.
How Do We Counter Negative Beliefs
It seems like with all of those, they couch their arguments in, what sounds like a moral framework. And it’s appealing very much to Millennials but I guess to a lot of us. How do we counter that?
Rick, I think we’ve got to understand, first of all, that these ideas come into our minds and hearts unbidden, they’re like viruses. I’ve stopped thinking of these ideas coming in as logical propositions. I start to think of them as- you know, a virus comes into our body as a piece of genetic code, coded by a protein, and the cells accept it. It’s tasty to the cells of our body because they want nourishment and they bring it in and don’t realize that that protein is going to open up and then out of it will come that little genetic code which will reproduce itself and sicken the entire body. Ideas do that to us.
We can have contradictory ideas in our minds and in our hearts all at the same time. That’s the first thing we have to realize is that these ideas are out there and they do threaten us. We have to identify what they are.
Second thing is, Rick, I think we have to help people isolate what is bad about bad ideas. What’s bad about Marxism is that Marx said he was concerned about the poor. We want to be concerned about the poor. What’s bad about Marxism is that idea that only the material world exists.
You teach about this, Rick. If you think about it, every idea, it’s really ideas that make the world better off, right? It’s not the material world, it’s not the stuff we dig up. It’s the stuff we think up that makes us successful as human beings, has grown wealth, and grown prosperity, and made life better for everybody all over the world.
Just to identify the bad idea, isolate what’s bad about it, inform people about what’s going on, and then finally we have to be able to invest in people who’ve gotten sick. Which includes me, every one of us has been influenced by these bad ideas.
That’s why I encourage people to go to SecretBattleBook.com. Take that worldview check up for yourself and don’t be defensive about it. Don’t be surprised if you see that there are influences of other ideas. Be curious, “What are these other ideas? And how can I have my mind shaped by Christ?
The Secret Battle of Ideas About God Book
Man, that’s so good. Most of the time we just kind of float through life and these things are influencing us or infecting us, as you as you put it. We don’t even think about it. It just kind of seeps in.
So here’s a chance to basically take a checkup ourselves and say, “Look, am I am letting these things influence me away from a Biblical worldview?” And then start looking around. Certainly our own kids, I mean, what a responsibility we have to influence their worldview in a positive way.
And we’re probably allowing a lot of this stuff, not probably, I’ll say all of us are to a certain extent allowing this stuff to seep in. You nailed it man, we’ve got to recognize what they are first, and then put a stop to it and know how to counter it. So the website one more time?
You’ve got the first two chapters for free already. It’s not even out yet but they can get that now.
Yes, they can look at those two chapters. If people read those they’ll probably know right away if they want to order the book. You can pre-order it on Amazon or on that website, SecretBattleBook.com. But that’s the only place where you can take that worldview check up. We’ve had about 20,000 people take it and it’s generated a good bit of controversy.
There’s a lot of chatter on the internet about this already because people are wondering, “Do I really have a Biblical worldview? And who are these people to say that I don’t?” All of that kind of conversation. So it’s it’s pretty interesting right now.
And the book itself is out in just a week or so, August 1st?
That’s right. The book will come out August first and it’ll be accompanied by a video course. So if you think, “Oh, we’ve been looking for a way to teach something about worldview to people in our church who don’t really care about worldview or don’t know much about it but they will come to a small group and watch a 10 minute video and have a discussion and maybe read some chapters. This is the opportunity for your church to really turn this around.
It’s a great wake up call. We all need it, I don’t care how much you think you think Biblically, every one of us has been affected by these viruses you’re you’re talking about and getting to that truth is so important.
We’re totally out of time but I really wanted to ask you about the whole social media piece and how you feel like that’s affected our worldview. If you could nail that one real quick. That’s that’s got to be a major factor.
That’s right. Well, the town I live in, a little hippy town, Manitou Springs bumper stickers are the main way people think. Nowadays, around the world, it’s Facebook memes. People look at social media, they make very quick judgments about things and don’t really think things through. But the ideas come so fast and furious. We need to be aware. We need to have our minds shaped by crisis, that’s what Romans 12:2 says.
By doing this, by studying the book, and especially even doing the class with some folks where you can get into that discussion and watching the videos, that will cause you to recognize even that even that quick meme that comes through, you’ll recognize when it has some of those bad worldviews in it.
That’s right. That’s a fun thing to be able to do because then you can be curious and not defensive. You can engage rather than try escape.
Love it. Alright, we’ve got to SecreteBattleBoook.com we’ll have the link today at WallBuildersLive.com for you. Be sure and check out Summit Ministries as well, limited time and limited space left on those last two weeks of August.
Then if you’re too late for that, start planning for next summer. I’m telling you, the most important thing we do with our kids is to send them out with the right worldview and Summit does just such a fantastic job on it.
Jeff, appreciate you, buddy. Y’all keep up the great work.
Thanks, Rick, you too.
Stay with us folks, we’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.
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Get Your Jesus Vaccination
Welcome back, thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live! Thanks to Dr. Jeff Myers for joining us from Summit Ministries today. We’re back with David and Tim Barton.
Guys, y’all heard what Jeff was saying, the exact same thing you were saying at the beginning of the program in terms of this need for teaching that truth in that worldview and how hungry they are for it.
Now, seeing those result, the results of these thousands of young people. Tim, like you were saying, David Pate had that experience and it and it spurred him into what he’s doing now.
Wasn’t it interesting that Jeff pointed out the numbers and he said, “Every worldview is represented in the church except the Christian worldview.” Marxism is higher than Christianity. And so is socialism, and new spirituality and all of those things are higher in the church. And remember, this is a poll done among those who say, “Jesus is important in my life. He’s the center of my life.” Well, why don’t you learn what he thinks?
Those positions are higher than having a Biblical worldview. Those people were identified as Christian but they don’t have that Biblical worldview and frankly, they just don’t even know the Bible in general.
They don’t know what it says and you cannot live. You cannot apply truth you do not know. And most Christians just don’t know the Bible.
I love the term he used, those five things out there are like viruses. And they’re floating around out there and if you catch one of them it’ll infect you. I thought, “You know, that’s really, really good.” We need to get vaccinations against those five viruses that are out there. Get a vaccination from flu virus or whatever.
You get a vaccination for those five viruses by getting in the Bible. You spent time in the Bible and see what the Bible says and how God thinks about things. And that is the best vaccination you can get for new spirituality, or post-modern worldview, or Islam, or Marxism, or secularism, or any other ism out there.
Thank You For Listening
Good stuff, folks. I know you enjoyed that today and there are some great links at our website today WallBuilders.com. Go over to Summit Ministries, High Point, get your kids in these programs. Make sure they have a good foundation in the Biblical worldview. Thanks for listening today, to WallBuilders Live!