Biden’s Disastrous Foreign Policies – With General Boykin: What is one huge misconception of Democrats? Is man basically good? Did John Kerry betray our intelligence community and allies security? Did John Kerry share classified information with our enemies? If Kerry would lie about his military service, would he hesitate to lie about committing treasonous acts? Should there be an investigation into John Kerry for giving aid and comfort to our enemies and betraying our great ally? Tune in to hear an important conversation with General Boykin!

Air Date: 05/26/2021

Guest: General Boykin

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


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David and Tim, later in the program, our friend, General Boykin will be with us so many things on an international level that seemed to just, I don’t want to, not a scare tactic at all, just be spinning out of control. It’s like an avalanche of mistakes by the Biden administration, a massive difference from Trump to Biden in just a few short months.


Yeah, there’s a lot going on with nations. And I think one of the flaws that we see that Democrats make way too often, it goes back to something that I think is significant with what George Barna does. When George Barna is checking people’s worldview, one of the primary questions he asked is, do you think people are inherently good? And if you say, yes, people are inherently good, you have just crossed, I don’t know how many dozen Bible verses there are on that. 

I mean, if you’re inherently good, you don’t need a savior, you do not need a relationship with God because you’re inherently good. And when you get off, you’ll come back and be good again. And so the notion that man is inherently good directly violates what the Bible teaches in numerous places.

A Dangerous Democrat Misconception

And the Democrats just seem to have this naive attitude that, you know, I’m a good guy, everybody else is good. If I can just sit down and talk with them, and they see how good I am, and I reached the goodness in their heart, they do the right thing, so if I can do that with President Xi in China, I mean, all we got to do is talk with him. I’ve spent more time with him than any other Western leader, and we have a good relationship.

And if I can just talk with him, and if I can do that with the Iranians and just talk with him, and if I can do that with the Muslim extremists, the Democrats have this thing that if I can just talk to them, I can cozy up to them, and they’ll do what we need them to do, which is a stupid idea. But that’s the way their foreign policy often works.


And this is also with the assumption that they don’t have the notion that I think is probably underlying tone for many in different political positions in positions of power, is that they think America should not be a world leader or shouldn’t be the world leader, may be one of many, that actually China should be more powerful, and Russia should be more powerful. And why shouldn’t Iran out of these?

And maybe for some of them, I think absolutely, dad, you’re right. It’s they have this philosophical theological position, that we think man is basically good. And it’s kind of like the Pavlov thought that it’s external forces that are causing the behavioral things that are happening. 

And so if there’s bad behaviors, because actually back up to President Obama, when he thought there’s bad behavior from terrorists, it’s because they don’t have jobs, so let’s send them money, and if they have money, then they won’t be terrorists anymore. Not recognizing like, no, that’s an ideology, that’s not because they don’t have jobs, right? It’s not because of climate change they’re committing acts of terror, it’s a different reason.

Certainly, there are some people that fall into that trap of thinking that all people are basically good. And it’s also worth arguing that that’s really something that you can only have that dumb of an ideology if you come from a place that is basically so good that you don’t see the depravity of man everywhere around you.

 If you are in China, you don’t grow up thinking man is basically good. Right? If you’re in North Korea, you don’t grow up thinking man is basically good, because you see terrible acts happening around you all the time. 

Man Basically Good?

If you are in a nation, where people are generally trying to do the right thing where they’re trying to love their neighbors as their self, they’re trying to treat other people the way they want to be treated, you could have that ideology position. That’s one side.

I think there’s another side of political people in power that their idea is, we don’t think America should be as strong as she is, and we want to kind of knock her off her high horse, so to speak. And that’s even more dangerous when you have the people that are literally in charge of your nation, that many of them hold that position. And we do know there’s people inside right now the White House, the Biden administration that think America should not be as powerful as she is.


And you also have a problem when you have like President Trump in there who was taking a very firm position with Iran, and was really squeezing them down, you were starting to get a lot more stability in the Middle East. And while he’s doing that, you find out that the previous Secretary of State John Kerry is actually going over and meeting with the Iranians and giving them a different message. Now, that’s a real problem. I mean, when…


If it’s true, right? Because right now, that’s an allegation and John Kerry said that’s not true. And I didn’t do that. Well. Okay. I mean, I don’t know what else you are supposed to say. Because if you did that, that’s treason. That’s jail time for sure. So even if you did, I don’t see you being honest and fessing up to that. But that isn’t a major allegation.


Yeah, it is a major allegation. We certainly know that’s the mindset of Kerry and Obama at the time. I mean, look at the cash they gave the Iranians and lifted the sanctions. And so we know that certainly within the thinking realm what they have. But those are the allegations out now.

General Jerry Boykin

And so one of the people who was really a key figure in the American intelligence community was General Jerry Boykin, three-star General, not only was he a decorated war veteran, original Delta Force guy who had then led the Delta Force. He was then in the Pentagon as the undersecretary of intelligence in significant ways. 

And so it’s interesting to get his take on that, because he does know that area very well, does have access to a lot of things than most of us won’t have access to. And so we thought we’d ask Jerry about what’s going on with this new report that’s out now.


General Boykin, our special guest today. Stay with us, we’ll be right back on WallBuilders Live.


This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. The Reverend James Caldwell was a famous minister during the American war for independence. His sermons taught liberty and God’s opposition to tyranny. The British hated him and tried to kill them.

So for his own protection, he would actually take loaded pistols with him into the pulpit and lay them beside his Bible as he preached. In the 1780 Battle of Springfield, the Americans ran out of wadding for their guns, which was like having no ammunition. Pastor Caldwell ran inside a nearby church and returned with an arm load of watts hymnals, the pages of which would provide the much needed wadding. He took this great Bible based hymnal raised it in the air and shouted to the troops now put watts into them boys, this pastors ingenuity saved the day for the Americans.

For more information on Pastor James Caldwell and other colonial patriots, go to


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Always honor to have General Jerry Boykin with us, so good to have you, sir. Thanks for coming on, brother.

Family Research Council


Well, thank you so much. It’s great to be with you.


Hey, you’re still at Family Research Council, things going great there. You guys are reaching more and more people. Before we get in our topic today, just talk to us about the importance of what Family Research Council is doing. It’s not just a finger in the dike holding back, you know, the destruction of America, I mean, it’s rebuilding the foundations as well. You guys get more churches and Christians involved than maybe anybody out there.

So before we jump into our topic, I just wanted to get you to talk a little bit about FRC and how important it is for folks to go to the website, get on the email list, donate and be a part of the solution.


Yeah, thanks very much, Rick. And listen, we’re doing well here. We’re right downtown Washington here, for those in the local area down here by what used to be the Verizon Center and is now the Capital One Center, so right where the hockey and the basketball is played. But look, we are a family advocacy organization. 

And Dr. James Dobson set us up to be just that. And we lobby Congress and, and we touch pastors. And we’ve got a pastors network. We got to manage network. We’ve got a network of churches.

And so as far as we are concerned, we have been greatly blessed, Rick, because throughout this whole pandemic, we really have been able to touch a lot more people just by simply using the technology that’s available and going virtual. And what we have discovered is something that you and I talked about off air, but that is people are very hungry for truth right now. And so it is amazing what God is doing right now.


Yeah, it’s like there’s an awakening happening out there and the need for organizations like WallBuilders and Family Research Council to fill that need and to give that truth and feel that hunger is more important than ever. So thank you guys for what you’re doing. 

You know, I know this topic is probably one that as a guy that served our nation the way you have and the sacrifice and the sacrifice of your men that you’ve seen, this topic is probably not going to put you in a good mood.

John Kerry’s Alleged Betrayal

But John Kerry’s betrayal of our intelligence community and Israel security, this has got to be addressed and the major media is just not even touching it with a 10 foot pole. But at least it seems like a big deal to me. 

Now you tell me, in his conversations with the Iranian Foreign Minister at a time when he’s not in power and President Trump and Secretary Pompeo are the ones negotiating with a country that has said they’re our enemy. Seems like that’s undermining not only Israel, but America as well?


Yeah, and just don’t forget that this is the same guy that went over to the White House and threw his Vietnam medals over the wall there. And the same guy that has been caught previously lying about his military service and what he actually did during his military service. And look, this guy, first of all, he is loaded with ego.

 But lots of people are and that doesn’t make him criminal. But when you violate the laws of this land, as I believe that he did, I don’t believe that first of all, that he withdrew all of the classified information from his, at least, two that we know of discussions with Foreign Minister of Iran. I don’t believe that he extracted the classified information from that. And the reports are saying that he shared classified information with them. That is a prison offense.

Now, what has to happen is the Democrats have to agree to investigate this situation. I guarantee if it was anybody else, other than a recognized long standing member of the Democratic Party and the Democratic elite, this guy would be under investigation right now, and if they determined that he had, in fact, shared classified information with the Iranians, our enemies, he would be on his way to jail.


Yeah. Yeah. And when you say the Democrats have to agree to investigate him, so at this point, the Democrats have controlled obviously, as the White House, they got control of the DOJ, they got control of Congress, both houses of Congress, so no hearing will take place investigating this without the Democrats instigating it. And I’m assuming you’re saying, you know, fat chance, they’re just not going to do it?

Will There Be an Investigation?


No, they’re not going to do it. There’s at least three Republicans that have officially appealed to the Democratic controlled Congress to investigate him, just investigate. Because there is enough evidence here that something happened, that it is at least merits an investigation. 

And I don’t think there’s a chance in the world that the Democrats are going to investigate John Kerry, and he’s going to walk away from this thing without being held accountable, not only for given aid and comfort to our enemies, but for betraying one of our strongest, in fact, as far as I’m concerned now, our number one ally and the nation of Israel.


Yeah. Yeah. And General, I assume that the unwillingness of the Democrats to investigate, does that mean that, I mean, let’s say Republicans take over in 2022, would the statute of limitations have run, would there be a chance to investigate him at that point even though that’s two years from now?


Well, you’re a lawyer, but I don’t believe there’s a statute of limitations associated with…


Or treason?


That’s right. That’s exactly right. Yeah.


So there’s a chance in the future that he could be held accountable. But let me ask you this about the media coverage of this. Because there was a time not too long ago that even when a particular party was in power, and one of their own having done something this bad, the media would just hammer on it and hammer on it and hammer on it, and force them to clean up their own house and to go after one of their own. That’s not happening here. Is the Democrat Party and the major media one now?

Trump Vs. Biden


Yeah, I don’t think there’s a question about that. Look, but it’s interesting too, Rick. Let me just say this. It’s interesting too now, that you’re starting to see organizations in the media, like the New York Times, that are actually starting to question Joe Biden, question his judgment, question his actions. But fundamentally, they’ve been in the Democrats camp for a long time. 

And it really got bad when Donald Trump was the president and we saw it and he coined this thing of about fake news. And the reality is, I think now as we look back, and we look at how they’re treating Joe Biden, who is bumbling his way along through a presidency, and how they treated Donald Trump who was doing some pretty doggone good things in, not only in our economy, but in our foreign affairs, and our national security, and all that and look at the difference in how they treat him. How can you come to any other conclusion then that the media is in the pocket of the Democratic Party?


Yeah. Yeah. No doubt about it. Well, and you mentioned Israel being our closest ally in the Middle East and the success of Donald Trump in his four years was incredible with regard to the Middle East, and the peace treaties and all the things that he was able to do that John Kerry said was impossible. In just four months, it’s all been destroyed. I mean, the Left destroys everything they touch, and the Biden administration has destroyed this.

I know it wasn’t our topic for today. But I got to ask you about the attacks on Israel this week and they’re fighting back. It boggles my mind, Israel’s got to be the only nation on the planet that gets criticized for defending themselves, for actually trying to protect their people. I mean, I guess, not a fair question. But do you think this would be happening if Trump was still president of the United States? Does Hamas and others sense the weakness in America and therefore goes after our ally, Israel?

Middle East Policies


Well, it’s interesting, yes. And I just got off of a radio program with Tony Perkins here, President of our Family Research Council. And I told him exactly what you just said. He said, look, if you just stop and think back to when Donald Trump moved the embassy, and his advisors said, you’re going to start a war in the Middle East. 

And there was, what about 24 hours of minor unrest, and then it was over. And that was because they knew that Trump wouldn’t go the distance with our ally, Israel. And now, look what’s happening.

They never would have done this if Trump was still in the White House. They would not have done it, especially allegedly over housing in East Jerusalem is what their claim is. But this is a test for Joe Biden. This is a test to see what Joe Biden is going to do. This is a test to see where Joe Biden is going to come down. 

And I guarantee you he is failing this test right now. And it is only a matter of time until his failure here. Unless he turns us around quickly, his failure here is going to result in a very, very disturbing conflict in that part of the world, because the Iranians are watching this.

And you better believe that the Iranians are the major funders of Hamas and Fatah, as well as Hezbollah. And don’t think that they won’t seize this opportunity as well.


You know it. You know, it. Okay, last question. I’m sorry to keep going into topics we didn’t say we’re going to cover today.


It’s alright.

An Inept Leader


But as a lifelong military guy that that led in so many different situations, how does the morale of our men and women in uniform hold up when they’re the leader of the country is so inept? I mean, I hate to say it that way, but it’s just the truth. And when they watch him in a press conference, and slurs his words, and can’t finish sentences and can’t read.

I mean, how in the world, they got to be thinking, wait, this is our leader, he’s going to send us into battle or not send us into battle? I mean, talk to me from a military perspective and how we can encourage our friends and family that are in the military to stay the course and get through this.


Yeah. Just keep in mind that your oath is to the Constitution of the United States. The Commander-in-chief is the is the president united states, according to Article 2, but presidents come and go, our military is going to still be there beyond this president right now. 

But you know, one of the things that’s important to understand is, and I don’t think if, unless you’ve been in the military, you don’t really understand this fully, is that technology is important, weapons, the types of weapons you have is important. But there is nothing on that battlefield that is more important than the cohesion and the morale of those individuals that are out there fighting with that technology.

And when you destroy the morale or you use the training time for those soldiers, use that training time for social experiments like critical race theory, and systemic racism, and inclusion and all this, all these social experiments. They’re wasting time that they should be using to prepare to win the nation’s wars.

 Douglas MacArthur stood in the West Point Mess Hall, and looked at the whole student body, and back in the 60s, he said your motion remains fixed, determined, inviolable: it is to win the nation’s wars. And that has not changed. But if the Commander-in-chief does not have a focus on winning wars, our military suffers and the morale of our military suffers.

Military Morale

And when he came out to talk about the military for the very first time in the Biden administration, what did he talk about? He proudly announced that he had directed that they make flight suits that would fit pregnant women and helmets that would allow them to wear their hair at whatever length they wanted. 

What do you think that did to the military morale when that’s the priorities of the Commander-in-chief of the most powerful military in the world? This is a bad situation as far as I can see.


Wow, wow. Okay, I said that was the last one, I got to ask you one more, because the CIA recruitment videos that are just basically saying that we’ve turned the CIA into a wimpy feel good organization. I don’t even know how to ask the question, General. I mean, that seems like an organization that has been taken over.


It has become woke. And let me tell you, I mean, that’s kind of… I’ve seen some videos that have come out about showing what the Russians are using in terms of their recruiting, which is, you know, macho and all, and then what the CIA used for their recruiting. And it’s kind of funny, but it’s not funny when you stop and think about it. It is not funny.

Wrong Priorities

This intelligence apparatus in America is so important to our survival and to us maintaining an edge on our adversaries. And when you do that kind of thing, it is the same thing I just talked about in the military. Your priorities are wrong. Your priorities are just wrong…


And dangerous.

Jerry: Very.


General, I kept you longer than I said I would. Thank you so much. It’s always an honor to have you, sir. is the website, get on the email list, donate, stay tuned with what they’re doing and stay plugged in. I appreciate you, General. Thanks for coming on WallBuilders Live today.


Thank you, Rick, good to be with you.


Stay with us, folks, we’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.


Hey, guys, we want to let you know about a new resource we have at WallBuilders called The American Story. For so many years, people have asked us to do a history book to help tell more of the story that’s just not known or not told today.

And we would say very providentially in the midst of all of the new attacks coming out against America, whether it be from things like the 1619 project that say America is evil, and everything in America was built off slavery, which is certainly not true or things.

Like even the Black Lives Matter movement, the organization itself, not out the statement Black Lives Matter, but the organization that says we’re against everything that America was built on, and this is part of the Marxist ideology. There’s so many things attacking America.

Well, is America worth defending? What is the true story of America? We actually have written and told that story starting with Christopher Columbus, going roughly through Abraham Lincoln, we tell the story of America not as the story of a perfect nation of a perfect people. But the story of how God used these imperfect people and did great things through this nation. It’s a story you want to check out, The American Story.


We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. And thanks to General Boykin for joining us today as well. Back with David and Tim Barton, guys, always good to have the General on, he doesn’t mince words, and a wealth of wisdom and experience coming from his perspective.

Hamas and Iran


Yeah, Jerry does not mince words. And he had so many good points. I mean, he was talking about how this is a test for Biden, what’s happening in Israel. Because now that they have softened up on Iran, and Iran is chief backer of Hamas, and Hamas is launching all these tons of rockets in Israel, and now the Biden’s in, the Palestinians are really willing to rise up and say, hey, we got support in the White House, let’s push this thing. I mean, this really is a test for Biden.

So how far is he going to let this go? What’s going to happen with nations like Iran where we seem to be sending a real different message or China, these others? I mean, this is significant stuff that affects America. It’s not just a matter of who’s in the White House, this comes down to where all of us live.


Well, and so for that, it probably does matter that who’s in the White House, because of the decisions they’re going to make


Yeah, that is true.


With that being said, though, right, even when he backed up and pointed out that when President Biden, the first thing he does relate to the military, is he talks about look at these new uniforms we have for pregnant women, and when the role of the military is to destroy stuff, blow stuff up, break things, pregnant women are not really on the front lines of that endeavor in military readiness.

And so we’re focusing on more of the transgender side of the military. And that becomes important instead of military readiness, when it’s very evident that if you look at China, you look at Russia, you look at Iran, there are some massive threats on the horizon. And it doesn’t seem like we have a leader right now who’s concerned about our military capacity and readiness as he is being woke.

The Dangers of Wokeness


And what you’re talking about, even what Jerry was saying about the helmets for whatever hair you want to wear, and uniforms for pregnant women, imagine someone in the NBA, imagine the NBA team where they take part of their practice and say, hey, let’s have math lessons, or let’s have science lesson, let’s work on English grammar. 

No. No. You’re there to win an NBA championship. And you’re not going to take time away from training for that. It’s just illogical to take the greatest military in the world and start directing time away.

And I thought that was a great point he made that anytime that you’re not spending and training them for what they’re there to do, that’s a potential damage to the nation because when it comes time to do that, you need that training. 

And so many other professions seem to understand that, whether it’s athletes or educators or whatever, they understand how important that is. And somehow Democrats in the military, when they get together don’t seem to have that same vision.

Biden’s Disastrous Foreign Policies – With General Boykin


Well, you know, we’ve said it a lot on this program, elections have consequences, and this is a big one. Whoever wins the presidency, that mindset, that worldview, that philosophy filters down into our military, and in this case becomes a social experiment that as General Boykin said, is really, really dangerous and costing us big time on the training of our troops, but also just where we go and what we do.

So folks, pay attention to elections, encourage your pastor, encourage the people in your church to get involved and start getting informed. Get into one of our biblical citizenship classes, start getting people together and talking about these things. We’ve got to be more involved if we want to turn this around. And that’s what this program is all about, is equipping and educating folks to do exactly that and be better citizens. Thanks so much for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.