Black American Patriots in American history:  Beginning of Slavery.  Untold truths of black history on the Glenn Beck Program, part 2. In this episode, you will learn the truth about why we separated from Great Britain, how ending the exportation of slaves caused an early type of eugenics, The Missouri Compromise, the making of the Republican Party, and so much more! Tune in now to find out!

Air Date: 02/24/2017


Guests: Glenn Beck, David Barton, and Rick Green


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Welcome

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture, WallBuilders Live! You can find out more about us online at WallBuildersLive.com. Very quick intro today because we’re going to pick up right where we left off yesterday with David Barton.

It’s actually a television program.  We’re bringing you the audio today. A special program he was on recently about Great Black Patriots in American history. It’s Black History Month so we thought we’d bring this to our listeners.

You’re going to hear references to pictures and different artifacts those are available on our website right now at WallBuildersLive.com. You can go check out pictures of those as well. Here’s Great Black Patriots in American history.

Why It Changed To “€œThe Pursuit Of Happiness”€

Glenn:

Everybody has an opinion. But if we’re going to come together we have to agree on the truth. And the only thing that we can really say this is what they felt without any personal bias is, “€œWell, this is what they wrote. This is in their hand. This is what they believed. This is what they said.”€ Everything else is speculation.  So the Northwest Ordinance takes us where George Washington is saying-

David:

That’s our first federal anti-slavery law done by a Founding Father, voted on by Founding Fathers, passed by Founding Fathers.

Glenn:

And I would somewhat take issue with that saying, “€œI believe the Declaration of Independence-

David:

Oh, that”€™s true.

Glenn:

Because of the substitution of the word, “€œlife, liberty, and property”€ to,  “€œpursuit of happiness.”€ Because as you said, the South looked at property and saw people as property. The North saw people as people, not property. So they knew if we said, “€œLife, liberty, and property”€ you”€™re never getting slavery abolished. So change that to “€œpursuit of happiness.”€

David:

Let’s take another piece on that Declaration because in the Declaration one of the specific- Thomas Jefferson wrote two parts in there that dealt with, “€œWe”€™re separate from Great Britain.”€  

Let’s back up even a little bit.  Before “€˜76, we did the Declaration in 1776, in 1773 you had states or colonies like Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania passing anti-slavery laws. “€œThat’s good.”€ It’s bad because we’re British colonies.

In 1774., King George III vetoed every anti-slavery law in America. He said, “€œNo, you’re part of the British Empire. As long as you’re part of the British Empire you’re going to have slavery.”€

Separation From Great Britain

That’s when Benjamin Rush and Benjamin Franklin, two signers of the Declaration, said, “€œWatch this, we’re not going to have slavery.”  They started the first abolitionist inside in America in 1774, an act of civil disobedience against what the King had just said.

So, the king is vetoing our anti-slavery laws here in America and that’s why in the Declaration 1776, in Thomas Jefferson”€™s draft,  one of the reasons we’re separate from Great Britain is he will not allow us to end slavery and abolish the slave trade.

Glenn:

Is that in there? I’ve never seen-

David:

It came out because Jefferson put it in there. But three states objected to it. Jefferson wrote, “€œSouth Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia objected to that clause.”€ And since the top of Declaration says, “€œIt’s unanimous Declaration.”€  The only thing that made the Declaration was what all 13 states agreed on. So 10 states said, “€œYeah! We don”€™t want slavery!”€ Three Said, “€œNo.”€  So it didn’t make the Declaration.

Glenn:

You”€™ll find his Declaration in the national archives.

David:

You’ll find the National Archives. His own handwritten copy. Because he worked for nearly a month to get that. And it was presented to Congress on the 28th of June 1776 and then for the next couple of days Congress debated and that’s where they changed stuff and moved stuff around. But Jefferson had it there.  And there were actually two clauses that pointed out, “€œWe’re separate from Great Britain because we want this slavery stuff ended.”€

The First Federal Laws To End Slavery

Glenn:

Again, we’ll come back to Thomas Jefferson at the appropriate point. Because a lot of people who don’t know this will say, “€œWell, but wait a minute. But he couldn’t have meant it because he owned slaves.”€

David:

No, but he didn”€™t  want to.

Glenn:

The Thomas Jefferson story is fascinating.

David:

Yes, it is. So you have 1789 is the first federal anti-slavery law.  You have the Declaration, a huge anti-slavery document. Then you have 1789, followed by 1794, George Washington signs another law because what they did at the Constitutional Convention they said, “€œYou know, we want to get rid of slavery. But some of the middle colonies there that were the buffer zone between the Deep sSuth and New England said, “€˜It’s going to take us a little time to do this.”€™ Ok, we’ll give you 20 years.”€

And so what happened in the Constitution they said, “€œIn 20 years, 1808, you can ban the importation of slaves in America. We’re going to stop the slave trade.”€ And so what happened was in 1794 George Washington signed a law that banned the exportation of slaves.

“€œAmerica’s not going to send slaves to anybody, anywhere, at all. “€œ We can do that because that’s not part of the Constitution. So that’s a second anti-slavery law we have in America federally.

Glenn:

No exportation.

David:

No exportation.

Glenn:

How many were we exporting?

David:

Well, it wasn’t that big a number, but out of Georgia and other places.

Glenn:

Still, it’s too many.

The 1808 Ban On The Exportation Of Slaves

David:

And that’s right, and that was it because New England wouldn’t export slaves. So we’re stopping that. And then next is John Adams as president, and next is Thomas Jefferson. And 1808 is when we can ban the slave trade.

So starting back at the first of his presidency, Jefferson starts recruiting preachers to move into the Illinois Territory and the Indiana Territory and set up anti-slavery societies because in his administration they’re going to become territories in the United States and we don’t want slavery in those territories.

So, Jefferson starts sending preachers in to set up anti-slavery societies. Then a year ahead of time he starts working with Congress and says, “€œIn one year we get to ban the exportation slaves. Work on the bill now.”€

And so he’s writing them and saying, “€œGet that stuff done. We want it done.”€ And they got it done, he signed the bill, and it went into effect on January 1st, 1808. “€œYou cannot import slaves anywhere in America.”€

Glenn:

Now, this didn’t stop the slave trade?

David:

It didn’t stop internal domestic slavery.

Glenn:

Because if you were having children they were born into slavery-

David:

They are still in slavery.

Glenn:

So, now, we stopped it growing that way. But we now doomed these people.

David:

That’s right. We have to deal with the domestic stuff.  We’ve stopped the outside-

Glenn:

The price probably went up.

David:

And that’s where price went up because now you don’t have the dutch bringing slaves or the Muslims,  and the Spanish were bringing slaves. That’s not happening anymore.

Jefferson’s And Washington’s Fight Against Slavery

Glenn:

Probably sickly? I mean, almost like an early eugenics,  I would imagine? Were they into breeding?

David:

They were.

Glenn:

Because if you couldn’t get any fresh blood-

David:

See, this is what made-George Washington was another who had to deal with state laws that wouldn’t let slavery.  And Washington took the position, “€œI will not break up families,”€ and part of what they wanted to do is move the families around so you didn’t have mothers and fathers, you had males and females. And Washington said, “€œNo they”€™re families.”€  He’s in that Virginia state which is so hostile to the law to letting him end slavery. So he and Jefferson both thought that.

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Tim:

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Are They Trying To Break Up Families

Glenn:

David, you’ve been talking about Washington is really clear in not breaking up families. Growing up I always heard that the black family is so weak and it’s it’s breaking apart because of slavery.   You didn’t have the stereotypical father-mother home and so they didn’t have all that. But that can’t be true because in the 1960″€™s the blacks strongest families in America were the black families.

David:

Were the black families, that’s right. You look at depression time and black families how tight they were and how well they stuck together.

Glenn:

Communities.

David:

You look even at how that when a black even back in antebellum south that when a black would get free he would work his tail off to be able to purchase the freedom of his wife and his children.   Strong families even in slavery. They would go to it to really extreme lengths to do whatever they could to get the rest of their family brought out of slavery. So, no, the nonsense, that’s an excuse. That’s not a reason, that’s an excuse.

Glenn:

And again, I think a political cover up. For the policies that it has encouraged families to break up.

The Downward Shift of 1820

David:

So, what you have is a pretty good train going here. We’re doing anti-slavery stuff, all we can. In 1820 something totally shifts and we start repealing the laws done by the Founding Fathers.  In 1820 you have the shift the Democrats for the first time take control of the Congress. So the Democrat Party, as we know, the Andrew Jackson kind of Democrat Party they take control of Congress.

One of the first laws they do is they passed what’s called, “€œThe Missouri Compromise.”€ The Missouri Compromise of 1826, you remember that law George Washington passed that said, “€˜No federal territory?”€™ We think that’s really bad.”€

So the Missouri Compromise said, “€œYou know it’s not fair for slave owners to have so many anti-slavery people. So here’s the deal. Every time you bring an anti-slavery state in you’ve got to bring a pro-slavery State in.”€

So, Democrats said, “€œWe want more slavery coming in.”€ At that point in time those Founders still alive, you had Jefferson, you had Adams, you had Madison, they all said, “€œThis is the death nail of the Union. This will destroy this nation.”€

Glenn:

Is this where Thomas Jefferson famously said, “€œBecause I know God is just, I tremble for my country.

David:

No, he said that earlier. He said that in the book-

Glenn:

About slavery.

David:

About slavery, because in 1781 the book Jefferson wrote, he was answering 22 questions from the French Consul who was asking. And Jefferson said, “€œGod has destined for these people to be free. Slavery is wrong. We’re not going to have it. He’s going to judge anybody who keeps slavery.”€ So, one of the best anti-slavery pieces out there is Jefferson in 1781 talking about how bad slavery is.

The Law That By Default Allowed Kidnapping

David:

So, you get to 1820 and that’s where it shifts. And for the next 30 years Democrats aggressively push slavery, they push the fugitive slave law in 1850, and by the way that was really a while-when you talked earlier about how if you’re from South you could take your slaves with you up north or whatever, well they had this thing they said, “€œUnder the fugitive slave law if we see a black in the North and we say, “€˜He used to be my slave in the South, we can go get him.”€

So you can’t import slaves now, what you do is you go find every black and you kidnap them.  It’s a kidnapping law. And here’s here’s what the Democrats put in the law, couple of provisions, one said,  “If you are accused,  ‘You look black to me.  I think you used to be my former slave.”€™ Or ‘You’re obviously not black but I accuse you.'”€ At that point, you do not have the right to counsel to represent you.

You cannot have legal counsel under the law. You lose the right of habeas corpus and you will appear before a judge and here’s the way it works. He’s going to decide whether you used to be a slave or not and if he decides that you used to be a slave the federal government pays him $10 for that decision. If he decides you were not a slave he’ll get paid $5 for that decision. Guess how the decisions went. That’s part of the fugitive slave law.  So this is 30 years of growth of slavery under the Democrat Party. Which brings us to a key point, in 1854, which is that another turning point-

Glenn:

Brings us to this man.

David:

That’s right.

The Making Of The Republican Party

David:

In 1850 we’re now 30 years in the Democrats control. The next big law that gets passed that brings a massive change in the nation is in May of 1854, it’s the Kansas-Nebraska Act.  Now everybody thinks they know what Kansas-Nebraska looks like today, and by the way, the Kansas-Nebraska Act was one of those territories were with the law George Washington signed you can’t have slavery in it.

And Democrats said, “€œWell we don’t think that’s fair we think we need slavery and part of that.”€ And so now they’re going to change the law. And it’s not Kansas-Nebraska, at that time, Kansas-Nebraska Territory went all the way to Canada. So, you’re talking about several states.

You’re going up to the Dakotas, you’re going up in Wyoming area.  So they’re saying, “€œWe think we ought to have slavery from Miami to Canada.”€ Is what that law essentially says because now you”€™re going border to border, North to South with slavery.

At that point, you have a little insurrection that starts happening. You have 30 Democrats and those 30 Democrats say, “€œWe’ve had it with our party being so rabid pro-slavery.   This is ridiculous.”€œ

So 30 Democrats leave the Democrat Party and said, “€œLet’s go back to the principles of the Founding Fathers, let”€™s go back to the principles a republic, let”€™s go back to the documents.”€ And they started a new party and called themselves the Republican Party because it’s the principles in which the republic was founded that we don’t want slavery, all men are created equal. So, that’s the start of the Republican Party is in 1854, right after that vote on the Kansas-Nebraska.

Moment From American History

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Sam Houston

Glenn:

So people really understand this, this is how passionate, blacks couldn’t vote if you”€™re a slave.

Glenn:

So it’s not like, “€œI can open up the border because I can get all these new voters.”€ That”€™s not what this is about. They can’t vote. So they’re leaving and they’re saying, “€œThis is wrong. We have to vote as a block to stop it.”€

David:

Well and here’s how crazy the Democrats were on it. At that point in time, you had about 4,000 clergy in New England. They sent a petition to Congress worth 75% of all the preachers New England sign this petition and said, “€œWe want to end slavery.”€

That petition got to Congress, the Democrats in the Senate got up and said, “€œThey can’t offer a petition like that. What do they think? Separation of church or state. They don’t have a right to free speech!”€ And so Democrats just start going off on all these guys for being anti-slavery.

A Southern Democrat named Sam Houston got up, and Sam Houston-because what happened, Charles Sumner, right here, Sumner is one of those 30 Democrats who founded the Republican Party.

Glenn:

And plays a huge role.

David:

And plays a huge role. And here’s a little piece that he helped do. That is the first platform for the Republican Party.   It’s only nine planks in the platform and seven of them say, “€œ End slavery, get civil rights, get equal rights for all.”€ The whole Republican platform was that was was exactly the slavery issue. “€œWe want the stuff stopped.”€

So what happens is,  Sumner is about to jump up and defend all these northern preachers, and Sam Houston says, “€œSumner, sit down. Got it.”€

The Three Day Speech That Led To A Crushed Skull

And Sam Houston steps up and defends all these northern preachers and says, “€œThey have the same right of any other citizen. They have a right to weigh in on any measure of that comes before”€ and Sam Houston did a fabulous job.

So you’ve got this thing going now where you now have a brand new party, and they’re getting started, and at the time this is the platform from 1856 presidential election.  Fremont ran then and James Buchanan ran on the Democrat side and won one of the worst presidents in history is Buchanan.

Really pretty responsible for the Civil War, most historians point to him, is because he could have stopped a lot of this, he didn’t he just let it keep moving. So he gets in, and then you have the famous crimes against Kansas speech, one that you”€™ve talked about so much.

Glenn:

This is the actual speech, he never finished.

David:

He never finished it. Well, he did finish it, at about three and a half years later.

Glenn:

When he was recovered.

David:

That’s right.

Glenn:

So, this is the famous speech, long,  long speech.

David:

It was it was about a three-day speech. As he’s giving this speech, he is in the middle of a speech at a U.S. House member Preston Brooks from South Carolina comes over walks up behind him with a metal cane club and just crushes his skull. Stands over him just whips him. And the Democrats in the Senate say, “€œHa ha, he gets exactly what he deserves.”€

Glenn:

Right. And, really the Republicans, I mean the Whigs, didn’t make a move for him either.

David:

Nobody did anything. They just stood there.

Glenn:

And he climbed under desks, like this, and they couldn’t get the cane up onto his head anymore. The perpetrator, never arrested.

David:

No, he got re-elected instantly. He got re-elected because “€œHe’s a hero. That’ll show those anti-slavery people.”€ So Democrats re-elected Preston Brooks when he came back in-

Glenn:

Another guy like the Book of Martyrs.

David:

Yeah, that’s right,

Glenn:

African-Americans should all know who he is. Every American should know he is.

David:

He a huge factor. He’s so much a part of what happened here with that. In the midst of that, we’ll come back to this.

The Dred Scott decision is given down by the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says, “€œOh, by the way, no blacks have any rights which a white man is bound to respect. “€œAnd that”€™s the Supreme Court. The guy who wrote that decision was the campaign manager for Andrew Jackson who’s the really the founder the modern Democrat Party. So you’ve got all this connection, Democrats now have the courts.

Glenn:

So start back there at the Supreme Court because the American public says, “€œYou’re not the boss of me.”€ That doesn”€™t happen anymore. Well, no, black people are people.   And we’re not listening to you.”€

David”€

That’s right.

Glenn:

So now we’re at Civil War.

David:

Now we”€™re at the Civil War. We have two parties now,  and the two parties run this is actually the Republican platform of 1860. This is what Abraham Lincoln ran on and got elected on, is that platform.

And when he got elected before he even assumed the presidency. Democrats and the House and Senate said, “€œWe’re resigning, we’re going home, we’re out of here.”€  That thing says he’s going to end slavery and we’re not going to put up with it.”€

That’s how the Confederate States of America got started was off that platform before Lincoln was even inaugurated. They said, “€œWe believe he is going to do exactly what he said. We believe they’re going to follow that platform and we’re not part of that.”€

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African Slavery, The Cornerstone Of The Southern Confederacy

David:

One of the members of the House of Representatives of Georgia, Alexander Stephens of Georgia, becomes the vice-president of the Confederacy. The former Secretary of War, Jefferson Davis, becomes president the of the Confederacy.

When Alexander Stephens became the vice-president of the Confederacy. He gave a speech that was very significant.  Alexander Stephens of Georgia, and it’s called, “€œAfrican Slavery, the Cornerstone of the Southern Confederacy.”€

So, the founding speech essentially says, “€œGuys, we’re doing this because we’re going to preserve slavery.”€ And what’s significant is an apologist for the Confederacy they said, “€œNo, it’s all about state’s rights.”€ Sorry, every single secession document of all 11 states says the reason we are leaving is we want to keep slavery.

Glenn:

I was in the Museum of the Confederacy.  I think it’s in Richmond maybe?  I can’t remember which city it’s in. And I went and I saw the original Constitution of the South.

David:

It requires you have slaves.

Glenn:

Yeah. It can’t be about states rights because the state has no right to opt out.

David:

That’s right.

Glenn:

You have to have slavery.

David:

So, that’s 1861. Now, we have two nations.  Lincoln is president, over the next several years they’ve passed 24 civil rights laws. Part of which was the Emancipation Proclamation, that”€™s the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863. Pretty cool the way they do that with a script.

The first Black Admitted To The U.S. Supreme Court Bar

Here”€™s several of the civil rights bills that they passed, those 24 civil rights bills that go through. These are some of those bills. Then you get the 1864 and it’s time for re-election and here’s the Democrat platform in the Republican platform.

This is the first platform to call for a constitutional amendment to abolish slavery. “€œWe’re going to get an amendment to do this.”€ The amendment gets passed. There are Democrats and Republicans both in Congress, 118 Republicans.

We’ll get to the amendment, the amendment happens in 1865 after Lincoln gets re-elected. And so they passed the amendment. A hundred percent of Republicans voted to end slavery, only 23 percent of Democrats voted to end slavery. And so the amendment gets passed.

On the day they passed the amendment, Charles Sumner grabs this guy right here and goes to the U.S. Supreme Court. This guy’s name is John Rock. John Rocker is an attorney. He walks in front of Tany and Tany is the guy who gave us that Dred Scott decision. He goes in front of the chief justice says, “€œHe needs to be a member of the U.S. Supreme Court bar.”€

Glenn:

Holy cow.

David:

He’s the first black to be admitted to the U.S. Supreme Court bar. Sumner took him in, sworn in by the guy who gave the Dred Scott decision. Now how come nobody knows about John Rock? The first black admitted to the U.S. Supreme Court bar.

Glenn:

That’s incredible!

David:

That’s great.

Glenn:

Real quick, I want to have a little homework, because it’s just a fun story. The Native American, the top of the Capitol building. She, right?

David:

Yes.

Glenn:

See she’s wearing a headdress. That’s not what the original statue of the original design called for.  It called for a French liberty cap. Where you would wear these liberty caps if you were a slave and you become a free man.

David:

Correct.

Glenn:

That’s what it originally called for. Do your own homework. Why is she wearing feathers now? And it’s because of the person who was in charge of getting that statue cast and made. It’s a name you know.  Look at the little games and the points of history that are all around us that you’ve never learned.

It bothers me so much that we’re now at the end of this episode and we haven’t even scratched the surface. Slavery, how did it start? I think we gave the breadcrumbs. It’s up to you to go do your own homework.

David:

But we”€™ve given some parameters.

Glenn:

Parameters of, “€œLook for these things.”€ Founders, villain slave owners? Or enlightening? We know a little of both.

David:

We got part of that.

Glenn:

A part of this, and a part of this.  Jefferson, knowing the true story of Jefferson, and what happened when the bills he passed in Williamsburg, really important. Next, we know this, constitutional chains? Or keys to freedom? They were the keys to freedom. We didn’t get to black heroes and ever heard of in the whole civil rights movement.

David:

We got John Rock and just starting. So we made it from 1619 to 1865.  That’s about half of the civil rights movement.

Glenn:

I ask you, please do your own homework, and we’ll see you next time in the vault.

Rick:

Well, that’s a conclusion of Great Black Patriots.  That was David Barton on a special television program recently. Again, if you heard the references to pictures and different artifacts you can go see those right now at WallBuildersLive.com. Thanks for listening today to WallBuilders Live!