Black Conservatives Leading The Restoration – With Derrick Wilburn: Why did one Colorado school district decide to ban Critical Race Theory? Who owns ours schools? Who pays the salaries? Should we be teaching historical theories or historical facts in high school? How did one Dad’s speech change a school board’s vote? Why are black conservatives leading the way? Tune in to hear this inspiring interview with the president of the Rocky Mountain Black Conservatives, Derrick Wilburn.

Air Date: 09/15/2021

Guest: Derrick Wilburn

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It’s WallBuilders Live. You can learn more about us at our website That name WallBuilders comes from that scripture Nehemiah, arise and rebuild the walls that we may no longer be a reproach. 

In many ways, the culture is crumbling and we need to pick up those pieces and rebuild. We need to strengthen the foundations of America. And that’s what we do here at WallBuilders.

My name is Rick Green. I’m a former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach. And I’m here with David Barton. He’s America’s premier historian. He’s our founder here at WallBuilders. 

Read more of the Founding Fathers, I think I could probably document this, I bet he has documented this than anybody alive today. I mean, you should see the library Museum of WallBuilders and all the original documents. It’s incredible. Anyway, we get to just kind of pull that knowledge out of David’s head every day here at WallBuilders. 

What a privilege. We’re also with Tim Barton. He’s a national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders. And you need to be watching Tim’s presentations or bringing him into your community. Check it out at to learn more.

Alright, guys, speaking about rebuilding foundations, without question, the foundations have been torn apart in many ways, because of this critical race theory poison that’s being put into the minds of our children, certainly at the university level for decades, and lately at the elementary education level. And parents are just fed up. 

Man, they’re testifying at school board meetings left and right. The videos are going viral. And we’re actually gonna have one of those videos. We’re going to play for people, it’s so good, and then have the person that did the video on with us later. 

It’s Happening All Over

Guys, I mean, we’re not talking about just one community or one particular battle in one school board. This is happening all over the country. I think every state is dealing with this, virtually every community is dealing with this.


It is and we’re seeing groups pop up really spontaneously. When I as we mentioned, like the video we’re going to let people within the audio just a minute or two of it coming up in the program, when you see people standing up and saying things that you know to be fundamentally true, and they’re leading the charge, you want to join into that charge. And so you’re seeing movement started literally across the nation.

One of the things we’ve talked about on the program many times is how we are so grateful to see God take a terrible situation and use it for His good, for His kingdom, for His glory. And this is certainly something that the poison of critical race theory that God has use this to open a lot of people’s eyes to stand up to recognize the evil that this is, that this is unAmerican, it’s unconstitutional. It’s certainly unbiblical. It’s ungodly that you’re talking about judging people solely based on the color of their skin instead on the content of their character.

This is something that is happening all around the nation that there are so many woke teachers coming out of colleges where they had woke professors indoctrinating them with terrible ideology. And they’ve begun teaching that to kids. Unfortunately, again, one of the things positives from COVID was as kids were at home homeschooling and parents were starting to hear some of those lessons and see what some of the teachers were teaching their children–

And is very backwards messed up racist Marxist ideology of critical race theory, a lot of parents are now started standing up. And so we’re seeing so many positive movements around the nation. And Rick, as you mentioned, one of the more recent ones was from a gentleman in Colorado who stood up and he had enough of this, and he just wanted to explain it the way it really was.


Yeah, man. I mean, think about Colorado Springs, Colorado Springs used to be a pretty conservative town, right? I mean, you got a lot of ministries there, Focused on the Family is there. I mean, unbelievable. 

And once again, they’re adopting this critical race theory. It’s creating division among the kids, between kids and parents. I mean, it’s destructive wherever it’s used. And Derrick Wilburn is the parent that you’re about to hear. 

One Dad at a School Board Meeting

We’re gonna play the clip, and then talk a little bit about who Derrick is, and then we’ll take a break, and he’ll actually be with us when we come back from the break. But here’s what he got up and said at this school board meeting.

I am the direct descendant of the North American slave trade. Both my parents are black, all four of my grandparents are black, all eight of my great grandparents, all 16 of my great grace. On my mother’s side, my ancestors were enslaved in Alabama. 

On my father’s side, we were enslaved in Texas. I am not oppressed. I’m not oppressed, and I’m not a victim. I’m either oppressed nor a victim.

I travel all across this country of ours, and I check into hotels and I fly commercially, and I walk into retail establishments, and I order food in restaurants. I go wherever I want whenever I want. I am treated with kindness, dignity, and respect literally from coast to coast. I have three children. 

They are not oppressed either. Although they are victims. I’ve taught my children they’re victims of three things, their own ignorance, their own laziness, and their own poor decision making. That is all.

My children, we are not victims of America. We are not victims of some unseen 190 year old force that kind of floats around in the ethos. Putting critical race theory into our classrooms is taking our nation in the wrong direction. 

Racism in America would by and large be dead today if it were not for certain people and institutions keeping it on life support. And sadly, sadly, very sadly, one of those institutions is the American education system.

I can think of nothing more damaging to a society than to tell a baby born today that she has grievances against another baby born today simply because of what their ancestors may have done two centuries ago. There is simply no point in doing that to our children. And putting critical race theory into our classrooms, in part, does that. Putting critical race theory into our classrooms is not combating racism, is fanning the flames of what little embers are left. I encourage you to support this resolution. Let racism die the death it deserves…


 Wow, that was Derrick Wilburn. He’s going to be with us when we come back from the break. He’s the founder and executive director of Rocky Mountain Black Conservatives, doing incredible work all across the country. 


But he, right there in his local community, made sure that that school board knew the truth about this and their vote changed and they banned critical race theory. That’s a huge victory, is happening all over the country. Derrick’s going to tell us about it when we come back from the break. Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. The Reverend James Caldwell was a famous minister during the American war for independence. His sermons taught liberty and God’s opposition to tyranny. The British hated him and tried to kill them. So for his own protection, he would actually take loaded pistols with him into the pulpit and lay them beside his Bible as he preached.

In the 1780 Battle of Springfield, the Americans ran out of wadding for their guns, which was like having no ammunition. Pastor Caldwell ran inside a nearby church and returned with an arm load of Watts hymnals, the pages of which would provide the much needed wadding. He took this great Bible based hymnal, raised it in the air and shouted to the troops, “Now put watts into them, boys.” This pastors ingenuity saved the day for the Americans.

For more information on pastor James Caldwell and other colonial patriots, go to

Welcome Derrick Wilburn


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. Man, I’m excited, Derrick Wilburn is actually on the radio program with us today. You just heard his testimony at the scoreboard there in Colorado Springs. Derrick, thanks so much for spending some time with us on WallBuilders today.


Oh, man, you know, it’s my pleasure, always good to get the word out to the people.


You lit it up in, I mean, literally change the vote. People always think you can’t make a difference. You can’t impact these people that are elected. 

You spoke truth and it had a tremendous impact. I mean, you do this all the time. So for some people, they’re thinking, this guy’s a speaker, he does all this… 

What do you say to the parents that want their voice to be heard at school board meetings around the country encouraging them to do the same thing?


First of all, the mission, the purpose of the public education system is to assist parents in the education of our children, not the other way around. We own the schools. We pay the salaries. They’re our children. 

All these things belong to us. Yet, somehow this runaway freight train of a government bureaucracy has flipped that script around to the point where we’re now the victims and at the whim of the schools, can’t happen.

So for listeners, here’s the answer to your question. If you are listening to this show, and you cannot name a single member of your local school board, you don’t know one of them, you don’t know where they meet, when they meet, you essentially don’t know anything, then you’re not a part of the solution. 

What we need to be doing is start showing up and let these people know that we run the show. What they have on their side is organization. Most people just don’t know. They just aren’t paying attention.

But COVID has kind of changed that script. And now more and more people, well, last year, were looking at what their kids are bringing home and saying, hey, wait a minute. You know, this isn’t what we signed up for.

A Wake-Up Call


Yeah, it’s been a wake up call for millions. I mean, not just a handful of people, millions of people all the sudden now they realize what’s happening at their local school district. They’re hacked off about the masking. 

They’re hacked off about so many of these things. And certainly the CRT poison that’s been put into the minds of our children for, frankly, years and they’re responding. So, I mean, I’m actually hopeful. 

I’m looking at all these videos of testimony like yours and so many other parents around the country and I’m going, this is a revival, man. There’s a revolution in education happening, are you seeing the same thing?


I am. Start showing up. So my local school board district, I’ve begun really getting engaged. And the reason I’ve got engaged is simply this. So the furthest left of the Left took over our education establishment in the 1960s and 70s. We all know that. 

And now 50 years later, we’re reaping the fruit of that catastrophe. So if we begin getting engaged right now, then 10 to 15 years from today, we’ll begin to see a lot of this stuff start to correct itself.

So at my local school board meetings, I’d say earlier last year, earlier 2020, there were 10 to 30 parents showing up. Our local school board meets every other Thursday night. Now, there’s 150, they have a public site. 

You sign up the pub to speak before the board, you get three minutes. That’s what happened on that video. There was maybe five or six parents. Now there’s 30 to 50 showing up to speak. So people are absolutely getting engaged.


It’s good, man. It’s good it gets results. And I think people sometimes think again, the system’s too big, I can’t make a difference. 

I don’t know how to do this. It’s so important to just find a group that you can have that iron sharpening iron and be encouraged by. So get in one of our Constitution classes, get involved, be be willing to do exactly what Derrick did.

Derrick, switching a little bit to the issue itself, critical race theory, as Ron DeSantis described it, it teaches you to hate your country, hate each other, and hate yourself. It’s a poison. It’s so divisive. And you just absolutely nailed it. 

Your voice was amazing and the way you laid it out. How do we amplify that? I mean, I know you’re all over media, you’ve got books out there, your voice is being heard. How can people connect with you, and come alongside you?

Derrick:, is easy to remember, easy to find. We’ll talk about the internship program that I run a little bit later, perhaps. But I’m an easy man to find. All anyone really needs to do is to put critical race theory into any search engine, I use DuckDuckGo because Google is a part of the evil empire. But whatever…


I’m with you, brother, I don’t even tell people hey, go Google that, I started saying go DuckDuckGo there, and people look at me like it takes a minute for them to process, anyway, go ahead.


I go a step further than that. I don’t just say don’t Google it. If they say go Google it, I correct them right on the spot. I refuse to use that company. I closed my Facebook. I closed my Twitter, caused myself 450,000 followers. But it was a matter of principle.

So if anybody goes to a search engine, puts in critical race theory, there’s there’s plenty to read. Here is the way the Left is selling it. They’re selling it as teaching history. You just want history covered up. 

Theory or Facts?

You don’t want to teach children about slavery and America’s past and all that stuff, which isn’t true. History is matters of fact. They don’t call it critical race fact. They call it critical race theory. And there’s a reason for that, because it’s theoretical, we’re teaching theory.

And at the collegiate level where this is originated and should remain, I think it’s highly appropriate. Because in college, you can choose whether or not to take the class. You’re going to say, you know what, I’m not going to check that box. 

I don’t want to spend that $6,000 and by that $300 book. I’ll take some other class. But when you’re in the fifth grade, you don’t have that option.

So the idea of cramming this into K12 education, and saying is simply history is not true. The idea of saying, well, we need to keep this at the collegiate level and keep it on a K12 curriculum is true. And that’s my position.


How about the state legislature in Colorado and their role in whether to say yes or no to elementary education teaching this? What are you seeing on that front?


They haven’t bitten that apple yet. I’m sure it’s just a matter of time, and the exact same thing is going to happen to them as happened to our local school board. We’re going to show up, shake the timbers, flood the zone, and let them know you work for us. And we don’t want this in our schools. If you cram it through in spite of us, then we’ll handle you at the ballot box.


Love it. Love it. Alright, actually, let’s do the internship program first, then I’ll get to that. So the internship program, you created this for DC, for minority students to be able to go and intern in DC, see how the process works and learn from a conservative perspective how the government ought to work. Tell us more about your program. 

Derrick: stands for People Of Color, Capitol Interns, we recruit ethnic minority, predominantly black American college students from coast to coast, literally from coast to coast. We’ve had them from Arizona State and University of California to Howard Brown and St. John’s. 

And we send them to work in paid internships in Washington DC for one summer. We pay everything. We pay their airfare. We pay their housing. 

The internship itself is paid. And we send these young people to work specifically in conservative legislative offices. And it’s a way of saying, you know what, let’s just get along.

You may not necessarily agree with everybody in your office on all topics, but that shouldn’t be a requirement. You know, we’ve got to tear down this ridiculous wall of separation between the black community and conservative political causes, and find ways to work together and not this constant finger pointing and bickering. We send these young adults are there for a summer, and at the end of the summer, their lives have been completely changed forever.


Age range for students who might be listening and are interested?


You have to be enrolled in an accredited four year college. And from an age range point of view, what’s that? That’s 17-18 years of age, and then we will take students up to five years separated from undergraduate studies, that way we include masters and doctorate program applicants as well.

Black Conservatives Leading the Way


Well, I was excited even just looking at the page, even some of the congressmen that were listed friends of ours, like Mike Johnson, and others, and then the colleges you’re bringing them from Oklahoma Wesleyan to Oral Roberts, which is David’s alma mater, to you name a Grand Canyon, I mean, they’re from from all over. Super excited about seeing that happening. 

And people can donate to help make more of that happening. Obviously, more revenue, the more students that are going to be impacted by that.

And then if you have young people in your life that you know would benefit from that, go to We’ll have links today at

Alright,  Derrick, before we go, on kind of a personal level, but also so important for the country itself, tell me as you’ve been doing this for years, this year we are seeing black conservatives lead the way. And I’m talking about from the opinion world of Candace Owens and folks like that, and Larry Elder, I would have put in that category.

But now hopefully, we’re going to be calling him governor to my friend Alan West running in Texas. I mean, it’s all over the place, and it’s powerful. You’ve seen it happen. You’re part of making it happen. What are your thoughts on that and how important that is to the country and to the conservative movement?


Problem, if you will, with liberal Democrat policies, I wouldn’t even go so far as to say the Democrat policies are bad or wrong, I would argue most of them are. But that’s not the problem. The problem is there’s no such thing as a situation in which competition does not benefit the consumer, right. Competition always benefits the consumer.

And what we have done in the black community is we said to one political party, you have no competition for our votes. We’re only going to vote for you every time. And I believe in black communities across this country. 

We seeing the result of that particular strategy. So people are being pushed to the top of the conservative heap who are people of color. We’re taking the hits. 

We take the arrows. They’ve got names for me. They’ve got different ones for you. But you know all. You got to have a thick enough skin to take it.

Making a Difference

But we’re beginning to show other black Americans that look, we’ve been at this for 60 years, we’ve been doing it the exact same way for 60 years. How’s that working? And fortunately, articulate people like Candace, like Alan and Star Parker and some others are able to deliver that message outside of the circle in which people like you can deliver it, because you won’t be heard simply because of the color of your skin.


Right. Right. And it’s making a difference. I mean, there’s a movement right now.

And of course, from talking to folks like Alan and others, I know you initially, a lot of times when you bring that conservative message, you get all the Uncle Tom and all that, which I love. I had Beverly, oh, blinking on her last name, I had her on months ago, and she was talking about wait a minute, Uncle Tom was the hero in that book. 

He was a man of God in that book, anyway. I know you get called everything in the book, and they initially question you know, why is your message so different from the other black leaders in our community? But it is breaking through and there is a new generation. 

We see it at Patriot Academy. We see these young black conservatives from all over the country coming through our program. So it’s breaking through. 

There is a movement, it’s growing. And it’s because that competition you’re talking about is beginning to happen.


Well, and you’ve got policies that are being propped up by the Left that are so destructive, that you have to literally walking around with your head in the sand not to see it. If you cannot figure out that there is a reason 86% of Planned Parenthood facilities are in black and brown neighborhoods, you’re simply choosing not to believe what you see with your own eyes. If you cannot believe that everywhere in the country that’s dominated by the Left, taxes are sky high and only getting higher, they’re taxing everything you need to live, from the fuel you put in your tank, to the bag you get at the grocery store to get your milk home,

A Revolution

If you cannot see that this is not helping, that diminishing the earning power of your home household is going out the window right in front of your eyes, then you’re choosing not to believe what you can see with your own eyes. And more and more people are unable to do that. They’re unable to continue to tell themselves these policies are working because they can see that they’re not.


Yeah. Yeah, it’s a revolution, man. It’s exciting to see. You know, just like we said, parents getting involved in education, the shift in politics in so many different areas. 

Exciting times, man, as Reagan said, it’s good not to live in pale and timid times. It’s good to be in the fight. Just super excited to get to know you, Derrick. Look forward to having you back on the program. 

Thanks for leading the way there in Colorado Springs, and effecting change. I mean, that’s what we’re looking for. and then also We’ll have links at today.  Derrick, God bless you, man, look forward to get you back soon.


Bless you and you bother, you keep your head low, alright.


So stick with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.


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We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Tim, man, just wow, just wow. First of all, his testimony was so good and so powerful. 

We actually should just take that video and have people walk into school board meetings and just pop up open the screen and play his video, right. So good and so needed. And so much of this WallBuilders has been teaching for decades.

Credentialed to Speak


Yeah, you know, it’s an interesting speaking about his testimony. And one of the things that unfortunately, the world we live in, they don’t care necessarily what’s true, they care who’s telling the message. And certainly, when you talk about somebody who’s credentialed to deliver that message, with him talking about his ancestors and the history of his own family, he’s certainly someone you feel like:

Well, in this woke ideology, that dude is credentialed enough to deliver a message. And the message he delivered was so powerful and profound.

And then even in the interview as he was challenging people that you have to get involved and sometimes that sacrifice might hurt us, as he gave up hundreds of thousands of followers on social media platforms to get away from this big tech censorship, this big tech ideology that’s so damaging and destructive. But the thing he said that was the most challenging to me was he said right now I want you to think and listen, how many school board members can you name on your school board?

And when he said that, I thought, okay, wait a second, let me think real quick. And I started thinking of the names of the individuals on my school board, and I certainly can name several. But I realize I don’t know, even I don’t know all the…


I felt the same thing, man. I started trying to name, and I couldn’t get to seven. Let me just say that I’m not going to say how many I could. I could name some, but I’m not going to tell you how bad it was.


Well, and this is one of the things too, that sometimes we talked about you can be strategic. And so I was able to identify several people that I knew were allies, and people that I have relationships with and friendships with, and we can talk to you. And they’re certainly people on the board, you can say, hey, this is going on, you know we need to let people know this. And so certainly there are those relationships which are also very valuable.

Involved Locally

But his point was so good, that if you don’t even know their names, if you don’t know who these people are, I would say obviously, as a Christian, we’re supposed to pray for all of our government leaders and those in authority. If you don’t know their names, how are you going to pray for them? That’s a really good starting place. 

But also, if you don’t even know their names, it’s a reflection of how little you have been involved in this process, and therefore you might not even know what is being taught in those school districts. You don’t even know what they’re endorsing or condoning.

And so man, that was a challenge for me that, okay, as involved as we are on a national level, as much as we travel to different states, we obviously can’t neglect our home front. And so I thought, okay, I got to do a better job. But really, I would think that thing is a good challenge for everybody out there. 

You need to know your scoreboard so that you can obviously be able to pray for them. But also, you can know who are the good, who are the bad guys, who do we need to replace, who do we need to maybe go and get their ear and talk to them a little bit, but also just get involved in the process and show up, because just showing up can make a difference.

Black Conservatives Leading The Restoration – With Derrick Wilburn

Rick, as you pointed out, when he showed up and gave that speech, it literally changed the mind of some of those school board members to where they shifted their votes to eliminate critical race theory from that school district. Just showing up and being part of the process can change minds and therefore change kids’ lives.


And every single person listening right now, you can be a part of that solution. You can be one of the ones. Even if you feel like you just can’t get up and testify, just showing up and being there with the ones that will get up and testify, being another body in the room, another person that they know is a voter, that they know is a local citizen, it absolutely has an impact.

And you know, Tim, we’ve said this for years here on WallBuilders, at the local levels where you can make the biggest difference. We tend to think only about the presidential race, sometimes about Congress, but man, that local community, those city council and school board races, that’s where you can have the biggest impact. And which means everybody out there, you can be a part of that solution. Go to today, get you some materials, get educated, get inspired, and get out there and take action.