Border Update and the Ten Commandments in Schools: Join us today as we talk about immigration and the Ten Commandments in schools. What is going on at our southern border? How is Texas leading in the immigration issue? Is there a different view than that which is being reported by the news? What about the new Ten Commandments bill? Representative Dan Flynn, who is also a Brigadier General in the Texas State Guard, is on to discuss these issues with us!

Air Date: 01/22/2019

Guest: Dan Flynn

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! And we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. All of that from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Even topics like immigration. So, have you ever thought about that? The Bible addresses immigration. The Constitution addresses immigration. And there’s a whole lot we can learn from history with regard to immigration. So, every issue of the day should be addressed from those three perspectives.

And we’re going to do that today with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Also with Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.

Check us out at WallBuildersLive.com for more information. And also WallBuilders.com for some great tools that you can use to equip and inspire your family.

Later in the program, Representative Dan Flynn from the great state of Texas will be with us to talk about some legislation he’s working on. And, specifically, talk about what’s happening at the border. David and Tim, I know we’ve got a national spotlight on the immigration issue, but it also affects the individual states along the border. Representative Flynn is one of those guys that’s had to pay close attention to that and even Texas itself has spent a ton of money trying to take care of the problem since the federal government is not doing its job.

David:

Yeah, the federal government is not doing its job. And Dan happens to be one of these guys that spends a lot of time on the border by virtue of the fact that, number one, he is a Brigadier General in the Texas State Guard. So, as such he is very much engaged in what happens with the Texas border. And we have legislators flying in to Texas from across the nation almost on a daily basis, certainly on a weekly basis, and they ask to be shown what’s going on on the border, what’s happening down there because, “We need to know how to do things in our state.”

Getting the Scoop on the Border

David:

So, Dan all the time is taking groups of legislators down, taking them down to the Texas Highway Patrol, which is our state police who are in charge of the river down there. And, actually, because the federal government has done nothing, Texas actually– and Texas always has had its own Navy, by the way, but we still do. So, we have gun ships that go up and down the Rio Grande, 50 caliber machine guns, because the drug lords shoot at our guys on a regular basis, so they’re heavily armored. Governor Perry brought those in.  

So, guys are all the time coming in from other states to see what Texas is doing on immigration because we are ground zero for crossing points for drug infiltration points, for– so many literal terrorists have been captured and very rarely makes the news because they don’t want to encourage terrorists to come across the southern border. But it is so porous that they have captured a number – they just don’t report that often.

So, Dan’s right in the middle of what goes on down there. It’s quite an interesting take to see what he can tell us even about what we’re seeing in the news about what’s happening with the kids being separated from families, and how the kids are being abused and mistreated, and how they’re all unhappy, etc.. Just a very different view from what the national news has an agenda, but from a guy who’s actually on the ground with it.

Tim:

And, guys, actually, when he was at our ProFamily Legislators Conference recently, we were talking about not only the immigration issue, but also he was working on some legislation – a Ten Commandment bill coming up which we’ve been helping promote that a lot of states should go that direction. Whether it’s the national motto, or Ten Commandments, things that have great historic value in the nation and certainly that recognition of providence, of God.

But he’s somebody who, as mentioned, has firsthand experience with a lot of stuff on the border and some really interesting stories from his experience even on the border.

Rick:

Representative Dan Flynn, our special guest. Stay with us, folks, he’ll be with us right after the break. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Alexis De Tocqueville, a political official from France, traveled to the United States in 1831 and penned his observations in the now famous book, “Democracy In America.”

Being from France, what he found in America was completely unexpected to him. He reported, “Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention. And the longer I stayed there the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found that they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country.”

Did Tocqueville recognized that it was Biblical Christianity and the morals it produced that made America great? For more information about Alexis Tocqueville and the positive influence of Christianity in early America go to WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Dan Flynn is back with us once again, state representative from Texas – Dan, how are you, brother?

Dan Flynn:

I’m doing great. What a pleasure it is to come back and get a chance to visit with you, Rick.

Rick:

Well, we always love having you at the ProFamily Legislators Conference and you’re in the thick of it right now. You guys just starting a new session and getting bills filed. And we saw, man, you hit national media on your Ten Commandments bill.

Dan Flynn:

Wow. Well, good. As it should be.

As It Should Be

Rick:

Yes, as it should be. We want people– in fact, hopefully some other legislators in other states saw that and said, “Hey, we want to do that”, just like what happens at the conference. But talk us through this a little bit.

So, the people that push back on this, that don’t want the Ten Commandments to be hanging in our public schools, or certainly not taught in any way, what do you say to those folks?

Dan Flynn:

Well, they came at me about it being a religious bill and I said it doesn’t have anything this religion. We’re talking about historical, we’re talking about a guideline for ethics, and it’s a basis of a lot of our Constitution.

Rick:

Yeah.

Dan Flynn:

Plus, if you walk into the Supreme Court building you see a big list of it. And we have it on the grounds here at the state of Texas. I guess my big thing has been to tell us, you know what? You don’t have a problem in the world with putting a Halloween poster up there in the classrooms of some of these crazy rock groups that you’ll promote them, and even some of these sorry football players that will come in there.

Rick:

Right.

Dan Flynn:

And you want to– in a day and age when we’ve got kids that are having all kinds of problems with families, we have kids that aren’t even being raised by moms and dads, and you don’t think that we need to have an ethical opportunity to teach them just common sense. And then I always ask them, I say, which one do you not like? Is it you have a problem with lying, cheating, stealing and adultery? And it kind of– they always go back, “Well it’s that first.” And I say, “What about that first one? Everybody has a God.”

What It’s About

Rick:

Yeah.

Dan Flynn:

And they said, “Well–” I said, does not mention Jesus Christ.” But I think that it obviously– it’s historical, it’s not about religion. It’s about doing a patriotic exercise that will teach our young people some good virtue and good values.

Rick:

I saw that quote in the article and I thought that was fantastic, “a patriotic exercise”. Most people don’t connect that to the Ten Commandments.

Dan Flynn:

Yeah.

Rick:

But as you started off here in our interview saying, “Hey, look, this is just getting back to the foundational principles upon which the country was built.”

Dan Flynn:

Well, let me tell you, a lot of my ideas came from– I go to a deal called the WallBuilders conference.

Rick:

You hang out with those crazy WallBuilders people?

Dan Flynn:

I do, I do. And this has been, I don’t know, a couple of years ago when it kind of was an issue that we talked about a little bit and I filed that bill. Then, of course, we got shut down pretty good initially just because they tried to– I probably tried to put too much of my own religion in it, but this time we don’t refer to it as morals – we talk about integrity, and virtue, and it’s kind of difficult for them to come at me about anything about that.

Rick:

Yeah.

A Patriotic Exercise

Dan Flynn:

But it is – it’s a it’s a it’s a patriotic exercise and and I don’t know how you can be against that sort of thing. And I’m thrilled that other states are looking at trying to do something too.

Rick:

Well, we look forward to getting a good report from you later in the session on this particular bill. But while we’re talking integrity and even just morals themselves, a nation has a certain amount of a moral foundation and integrity that has to be protected. And the President of course, calling for the wall on the border, a lot of people have never been to the border. They’ve never seen what you’ve seen. And you’ve been down there quite a bit and been a part of protecting the border on the Texas side.

What do you say – both as a legislator that knows there’s politics involved and all this, but as somebody that, state guard, you’ve been down there firsthand, eyes on. Is this a real problem and does it need a real solution?

Dan Flynn:

I just came back two weeks ago. I spent a week down on the border. And we chased some bad guys in the Gulf of Mexico, up and down the Rio Grande. It’s one of those things that when you talk to the border patrolmen, you talk to our DPS, you talk to our game wardens, and even the local law enforcement, they say that it’s too easy to have people come just– I’ve gone, I’ve walked that area, I rode a horse one time along there, Rick, and it is so easy to walk across if you don’t have any kind of barrier at all.

With the barrier that we’ve been working on, it’s kind of– I’ve gone to Israel a couple of times and a lot of what we were trying to do initially was build that barrier just like that wall in Israel where you have, really, kind of have three different groups. You’ve got kind of like a chain link fence, and then you have a road that we can put sensors in and we can drag it to make sure if somebody has been walking across it, then we have the barrier itself and the big portion of it’s already built.

2.8 billion dollars since 2010

Dan Flynn:

And of course they’re kind of changing some things around, they’re trying to get the politics right on it. But it’s a 30 foot wall and you can call it a barrier, whatever you want to. But the bottom line – it works. And all you have to do is talk to anybody that works along that border and they’ll tell you that’s the only way we’re going be able to have any kind of control of our borders.

Rick:

Yeah.

Dan Flynn:

The state of Texas has spent 2.8 billion dollars since 2010 because the federal government would do nothing. And the fact is, last session I passed a resolution asking Rick:

Yeah, right. Right.

Dan Flynn:

Anyway, we’re believing that with the new attitude up there that we’re seeing renewed enthusiasm from the Border Patrol because now they feel like they actually have someone that’s going to support them and back them up when they try to enforce the immigration laws.

The other thing, having been there as many times as I’ve been there, and I’ve probably spent more time because of my legislative and military experience than anyone else in the house. And that’s I’ve never seen a baby jerked out of a mother’s arms ever. That doesn’t happen. You talk to anybody – it’s just not happening. The pictures they have of some baby that’s crying is probably because they need their diaper changed or because they want to have another meal. But there’s never been a time when we’ve mistreated anyone.

The actual places that we have, they’re kind of like a chain link separation because you don’t want the young boys and young girls together in the same place. You don’t want the little kids and the teenagers in the same place. So, that’s how we have separated them.

And for the first time in the life of most of those kids they have a warm bed to sleep in, they’re getting three meals a day plus snacks, and an opportunity to go out and play soccer ball, basketball, or anything. They’re living a life better than they’ve ever had, so many of them whose parents we can’t hook up with. Their parents just send them up here. They get paid, they were looking at some video that said, “Come to America, we’ll give you free food, free education, free healthcare, etc etc. and you get to be a citizen.”

Without a Strong Border, Not a Strong Country

Dan Flynn:

Well, that’s changed. We don’t do that video anymore. And I’m hoping that people in the United States Congress can realize that if we don’t have a good strong border we don’t have a good strong country.

Rick:

That’s right, that’s right. And I’m so glad you pointed out the circumstances currently there for the ones that get detained. I’ve talked to others that they say none of this is being depicted, they don’t want video of this actually.

Dan Flynn:

Right.

Rick:

But none of this is being depicted. So, the left tries to act like Trump is abusing these kids and all that stuff. And it’s actually far better conditions even than when Obama was there and it’s, like you said, for most of them it’s some of the best conditions they’ve ever been in. And, granted, we want them reunited with their family, but this picture that the media has painted has truly been truly totally false.

Dan Flynn:

It’s false and hypocritical for those people to stand up out of it. I just didn’t get to watch it because we had kind of exciting day right here in the Capitol and I didn’t get to watch his speech. But I did see some of the news clips and for those people to stand up and criticize our president because he’s trying to protect our country, it’s– that’s the treasonous part of what’s going on. How could you not want to support your country?

Rick:

That’s right.

Dan Flynn:

How could you not want to get a hold and control of the drug cartels which is where the danger is.

OTMs

Rick:

That’s right.

Dan Flynn:

I’ve watched those drug cartels. And what it is, Rick, they fight each other. They fight each other for the good roads that they can get on our interstates and bring all the drugs up north. Plus, a good percentage, and I don’t know if the percentage is still the same – I have checked on it lately. But 70 percent of the people that were coming across the border were what we called OTMs – that’s Other Than Mexicans.

They’re from the Middle East, they’re from China, they’re from South America, and Central America. And these people are coming because they want the entitlements that we should be taking care of our own people.

Rick:

I can’t imagine a congressman or senator not wanting to know who the people are that are coming into your country and coming across the border.

Dan Flynn:

Yeah.

Rick:

I thought Schumer and Pelosi looked like the monsters there, just the scariest looking–

Dan Flynn:

Yeah, they didn’t believe the facts that were being presented to them by the government.

Rick:

It’s crazy. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Brother, we’re out of time. Please give our love to Susan. Have a fantastic legislative session.

Dan Flynn:

I will.

Rick:

And we look forward to getting an update on the Ten Commandments bill and any other legislation you’ve got going.

Dan Flynn:

God bless. We thank you, and thank you for taking the time to visit with us.

Rick:

Well, thanks for coming on. That’s Representative Dan Flynn of Texas. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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David:

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Special thanks to Representative Dan Flynn for joining us today as well.

We’re back with David and Tim Barton. And, guys, just like you said, he’s down there. He’s actually watching this stuff happen. hH said just a few weeks ago they were chasing some of the bad guys. So, he’s seeing it happen. I think it’s very clear this is not some made up crisis by the president. This is a real deal.

No Doubt About It

Tim:

Yeah, Rick, I think from people that have firsthand experience that there’s no doubt that there are issues down there. There are reports and studies that talk about the immigration problem. But when you look– there have been studies out about the number of sex traffickers, and drug traffickers, that have been caught over the last two years during the Trump administration. And how many more it is than those specific individuals that were caught during the Obama administration, the Bush administration. There’s no doubt that there is a level of crisis. This is not something, right, that– Trump is not fabricating, he’s not generating this.

David:

Well, and that debate that he was fabricating stuff, this past week the government itself came out with statistics showing that 40 percent of the crimes committed in the United States are committed by illegal immigrants. And there’s no way legal immigrants are 40 percent of the population.

Tim:

Right.

David:

So, you have a much smaller percentage creating 40 percent of the– think what a reduction in crime we would have in America if we just got that aspect under control.

Tim:

Well, right. And the irony from the news media is they don’t want to talk about the crisis of crime, the crisis of drugs, or sex trafficking. They want to talk about– for them, the crisis is, “But families are being separated.”

David:

Is that the families Dan was talking about that now have warm meals, and a warm bed, and they have soccer balls, and they have basketball–

Another Media Fabrication?

Tim:

Right, sleeping in cots. And arguably, right, they might not have slept in a actual bed in weeks, or months. Maybe in their whole life they’ve never had something as comfortable as this cot, they maybe have never had access to showers like they have now. For many of them they’ve never had three meals a day like they’re getting now. So, the way that the media has fabricated what they perceive to be a crisis and downplayed what we would argue is the actual crisis–

David:

And “fabricate” is the right word. As Dan pointed out, I’ve never seen a picture of that crying child that they keep showing in the news unless it was crying for a diaper or something.

Tim:

Yeah, as he pointed out, right, it’s a baby that’s crying and it’s hungry, it wants mom to milk it, it needs a diaper change. What the situation is is not what the media portrays it to be. So, having someone who’s been there on so many trips, and he’s been on some of these these naval vessels, so to speak, where they’ve had people fire at them, and they’ve had to return fire, and they’ve gone and captured people. It’s much different for someone who’s actually been through this, and lived through this, and seen it firsthand. As opposed to the perception that the news media gives.

And, certainly, there are all kinds of reports that highlight some of this fake news scenario where the media is not always honest in their portrayal of how things have happened. Stories have even come out where, you can do the basic Google search, and you will find areas where some of this fake news has presented itself where a lot of the portrayal from the media is not factual and this is not just for the border. This is kind of in general, right.

#FakeNews

Tim:

If you backup to people to talk about they were shot at in helicopters, right, their combat experience, or so many stories that have been fabricated. It’s not hard to see why the president made #fakenews a trending hashtag on Twitter for however long it was a trending hashtag.

But when you look at the border, there is a very deceptive nature to much of the media’s narrative and their reporting. Especially when you talk to people who have firsthand experience like Dan has had. And that’s why we love having guys like Dan on the radio program because this isn’t us saying, “Well, this is what we think.”

No, this is somebody who’s been there. This is someone who has seen the families, who has watched the process, who has seen them being fed, who has seen them playing soccer, who has seen these experiences. Not to mention being shot at by the cartel. This is someone with firsthand knowledge and it’s just very different than the narrative the media gives.

Rick:

Quick break, guys. When we come back, let’s talk about– he had the other topic, the other piece of legislation he’s working on – the Ten Commandments being used in schools and whether or not that’s a good idea, how that affects not only Texas students, but is that happening in other places across the country as well? Stay with us, folks, we’ll be right back on WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. We had Representative Dan Flynn with us earlier in the program. We talked immigration, but we also talked about his Ten Commandments bill. David, Tim, this would basically take us back to those founding principles and tie back to what makes a good culture and a good society. I thought Representative Flynn said it well when he said, “Which part you got a problem with? Telling kids not to lie, not to cheat, not to commit adultery? Which part do you think is not a good idea to teach our children?”

The Only Way Freedom Works

Tim:

Well, it’s a great question to ask somebody opposing something that should be a very obvious concept that we want to have a moral standard we teach kids. And if you go to the Founding Fathers, the Founding Fathers were the biggest advocates for teaching religion and Christianity, the Bible, the Ten Commandments, in school.

And the reason was they said not because everybody has to be a Christian, because that’s never been the idea of America. It was never that you have to be a Christian or we kick you out. But it was in America, because we believe in freedom, we need to have a moral standard where freedom actually works.

And the Founding Fathers, even the ones who were not explicitly Christian, we actually talked yesterday with Mark Hall about how the majority of the Founding Fathers, they were not secularist, they weren’t deist. The majority of the Founding Fathers did believe in God. But even the ones who maybe weren’t explicitly Christian, even they believed that you needed to have Christianity being promoted and taught because of the moral foundation and the moral fabric it gives society that allows freedom to work.

If we give freedom to people who believe it’s okay to steal and murder, well, that’s not going to work. You’re going to have to have a greater police force, and more laws, and more regulation, and bigger government. The only way freedom works, the only way a limited government works, is if the people that are free have a moral compass and a moral code. And the founding fathers largely agreed the Bible is the best way to do that.

So, promoting the Ten Commandments really is getting in line with what the Founding Fathers believed and they themselves promoted.

David:

John Adams said that the Ten Commandments are, they’re Bible, they’re part of the revelation, that’s why we accept them. He said, but even if you did not accept the Ten Commandments as part of the Bible, you would still make them as part of your legal code just so you would have a civilized society. So, he said, yeah, there of religious origin but you know what? You would still have them if you had no religion because they make a civilized society.

A Throwback to Common Sense

David:

And it is interesting how many early court cases we had– not, I mean, early going back to the 1960s, and 70s, and even the 80s, that just because “Thou shall not murder” is in the Bible we don’t reject it out of our civil law. We still have it in civil law. Yeah it’s in the Ten Commandments, but we have it in civil law because that’s the right policy to have.

So, the way Dan is going at this and saying this is not a religious document, per say, these are the code that you live by. And, by the way, this is why you could find the Ten Commandments more often in civil buildings than you could in church buildings all the way up until the court ordered them be taken out of schools in the 1980s.

So, this is really a throwback to just common sense. This is the kind of stuff you want people to live by. I don’t care if my neighbor’s an atheist, if he’ll live by the Ten Commandments, and not kill me, and not steal my wife, and not perjure himself in court, he’ll make a great neighbor whether he’s religious or not. And that’s the kind of stuff that Dan is helping put back in front of kids, which is really good for the culture.

Border Update and the Ten Commandments in Schools

Rick:

Just simply getting back to the basics, back to the foundational principles that make a nation free and prosperous, and all the blessings that we want to enjoy. That’s what we’re talking about getting back to. That’s what WallBuilders is all about – rebuilding those foundations, rebuilding the very principles that made the nation great, and free, and the greatest nation in history in the first place.

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Thanks so much for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.