Giving Boys the Encouragement They Need to be Men: Today, fewer and fewer boys are stepping up to fill the place of man. David Pate of Brookhill Ranch is with us today to tell us how we can combat this as a culture. Boys need to be challenged and they respond to encouragement. They just aren’t getting the encouragement they need, they aren’t getting “permission” to be the godly man God has called them to be. Listen today to find out what you can do to encourage this next generation of young men.

Air Date: 1/9/2023

On-air Personalities: Rick Green and Tim Barton

Guest: David Pate

Brookhill Ranch

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Rick Green:

Welcome to WallBuilders, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. You can learn more at our website, WallBuildersLive.com . I’m Rick Green, America’s Constitution coach and a former Texas legislator. Normally, I’m saying, Hey, David and Tim, let’s jump in. It’s a little bit different today. It’s still David and Tim, but it’s Tim Barton and David Pate. David Pate back with. David, always good to have your brother. Thanks for some time today, man.

 

David Pate:

Thanks for having me Rick! Excited to be here!

 

Rick Green:

Well you know, you do what is probably the most important thing for the next generation. You raise up a generation of god fearing biblical worldview-loving and effective leaders, and you’re dealing with that youthful generation all the time. So you got a better handle on what’s coming in the next generation than than most people that we talked to. We tend to get them at Patriot academy, you know, later after they’ve already had those formative years. And so it’d be good to just talk about where we’re headed. How much is the corruption in the poison into the culture affecting the kids that you’re working with? And what can we do to better prepare another generation to be prepared to be good Biblical citizens?

 

Tim Barton:

Well and Rick, let me also make sure that all the listeners are up to the speed on David Pate. He is the camp director of Brookhill Summer Camp up in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Brookhill Ranch is an evangelism based activities camp for third through ninth graders. It’s actually a camp that David and I attended as campers together and then we were counselors together at. And now he is the camp director, the owner really. That he’s part of the family that owns it and runs it and it’s a place that we still encourage every young person to go be a part of Brookhill. It’s something that for us as a family, for the Barton family, when when we went to Brookhill as as campers this was one of the first places we actually saw through the counselors people living the life that we imagined Jesus probably would have lived where they were. They were loving and encouraging and forgiving and understanding and helped us be accepted and be important and be significant and they go and knowing as a counselor, right? David and I as councillors together, we learned a lot of these lessons together, but learning to see every individual as an individual child of God for the value that God placed in them. And so that the Brookhill experience is just so different than anywhere we’ve ever been. We’ve done a lot of camps over the years in our life, and there’s nothing quite like Brookhill. And so as you are even telling people that David has may be a different perspective is because every summer he’s working with thousands of third through ninth graders and he’s able, I guess really now second through ninth graders, but able to speak into their life. Engage them with some of the challenges they’re dealing with. And so David is up on culture and David, you and I were talking not long ago and you were lamenting about some of the challenges your seeing in any young man may be not being quite the same kind of genre of young man that when we were growing up, it was different being a guy back in the eighties and nineties than it is today, and certainly cultures played a lot on that. But you saw some challenges. Said this rising generation of young men were dealing with and going through, and you add some some interesting thoughts on the challenge you personally felt to engage in this. And you are sharing the story and I told Rick and my dad, We just need to get David on to tell part of this story because it’s something that for so many parents or grandparents out there as as they’re navigating it. Young men in their family and their growing up, and they’re asking the same questions really around the nation of how do we help raise these young men to be young men, godly men, but also to embrace masculinity in a really good biblical form. And you are doing some things, David, that I thought were just really impressive and impactful And of course the result and testimonies you were sharing along the way. And so that’s part of why we wanted you to be on today. So it’s a walk us through this. What were some of the things that you saw dealing with the kids at camp with some of the young counselors, and then what did you do to try to engage in some of those issues?

 

David Pate:

Absolutely. You know, for me, my life was absolutely changed at Brookhill You know, you and I were campers together, then we were counselors together and I feel like I learned how to be a man yet only from my dad, but from these college men who challenged me to be a man. And you know we’ve been running this summer camp and just doing our thing and I just started to notice, whoa, things are changing and you know, the girls really started to joke about it. Not only that we started to see our numbers change, right? So we started getting three to one girls to guys, whether it was on our staff where that was with campers and then and we started just to see even just the way the guys were is not who they used to be. The girls have started becoming the leaders, right? And so I just start going okay, This not going to work.

 

Tim Barton:

And lets pauses for a second because you’re seeing a three to one ratio of girls showing up. This is an activities based summer camp is an outdoor summer camp. So you’re talking about a place where kids can come and they can go tubing. They can go wakeboarding right?

 

David Pate:

Archery, Riflery wakeboarding Gocarts laser tag.

 

Tim Barton:

Right, riding horses, riding gokarts, playing tennis or whatever. So right, these are activities that, generally speaking boys should be all about this and yet you were seeing and even for your counselors, which the thing is also super interesting, girls were the ones who were more willing to get outside side and do some of these activities than boys. That’s really interesting.

 

David Pate:

Girls started filling the activities. Girls started being the majority of our applications for being counselor. I mean they just started dominating and what I started, which obviously more power to, I want to see girls grow and do I mean obviously there’s nothing wrong with that. But we want to see where did the guys go. You know what  happened and so that the same things that I don’t know, late nineties early two thousands we start seeing with grades in school, right? Work ethic addiction, spiritual growth, suicides adulting Not want to be responsible, not want to be mature. You know, so many of these things just started to get worse and worse and worse and we were starting to see it at the camp. You know whether it was the campers or the counselors Were all asking, where are the amazing guys? Because the ratio of girls who want to be grown ups, who want to be leaders, who want to be godly who want to be mature to the guys who want to be grown ups and leaders and godly mature, is a crazy disparity in the ratio of how many more girls to how few guys are stepping into that.

 

Rick Green:

Then I get comments all the time, man. I mean all the time. It at Patriot Academy and adults that, you know, fathers that say, man, I am trying to find a real man for my my daughter to marry and there… it’s slim pickings out there. Where are they? So yeah, I mean, I’m hearing it from the younger crowd, but also the older crowd. And we see the same thing you’re describing. You know, even within Patriot Academy, were like… I literally was sitting on the couch talking to some of our leaders. And I said, Alright, I’m done. I’m ready to do something about it. I said, I am ready to start a bro movement. You know, I mean, we were midsummer like three summers ago. We were midsummer and I said Ire going to be affirmed by certain behaviors, and especially, I’m saying it cause it makes sense right now. As you’re saying, and I’m thinking through this, if they’re being encouraged that masculinity is bad and or even even in this this really woke feminist movement, right? If we don’t need men and you know you guys leave us alone, if that’s what they’re being encouraged to do it, it makes sense. I mean these are the seeds that we’ve been planting. So we are growing the crop from the seeds that have been planted. And now we’re seeing the fruit of the tree that we have… We planted the seed to grow this tree and we’re looking at the tree going, I’m not sure I like that fruit. We’d better start planting some different seeds.

 

David Pate:

For twenty years we’ve been planting those seeds and I had to look in the mirror and go Okay, I haven’t been cheering them like I need to be. And so I started that Sunday as like alright, where to start cheering on these guys, were going to start cheering these things and we’re going to start saying Hey, guys, you know, started to push them. You know, much like youre going to challenge me to be more to do more. So often, I think as adults, as parents, we are afraid that we’re going to drive them away by challenging them when the reality is as you’re explaining that they loved to be challenged.

 

Rick Green:

They’re seeking it. They’re absolutely hungry for it. Okay guys quick break. When we come back, let’s talk about how you do it, you know, David, what you recommend not only to getting people to come through a program that will do that, but some hints for parents out there and colleagues. Actually how they can challenge each other. Because sometimes you have a young man in a group and he’s wanting to take it to another level and raise the bar what are some ways that he can challenges his buddies as well. Quick break, We’ll be right back. You’re listening to WallBuilders.

 

Rick Green:

We’re back here on WallBuilders thanks for staying with us, David Pate sitting in with us today and we’re talking about challenging young men of the next generation and just a vacuum that’s out there in male leadership. And as you said, you know, guys, we sow that seed. I mean, we basically said masculinity toxic. All the culture said those things, we didn’t. But the culture said those things and the fruit is not good. It’s rotten and you have people like you know, a Jordan Peterson and Jaco and others that are are out there speaking to these things. And there’s a biblical solution to this. So so what do you guys… How do you challenge the young men in your life and talk about some of the results at Brookhill? But then let’s also talk about people that you know are at home wanting to do more. What are some things we can encourage them to do?

 

David Pate:

Absolutely. I think you know a lot of times we start trying to come up with solutions, we forget that Jesus already gave those to us. Discipleship and how He raised up men through discipleship And it was life on life mentoring. And men are the ones who are going to help boys become men. That’s the bottom line. And that’s why I had look in the mirror and say, you know what? This is partly my fault, at least in my circle, you know. And I know Rick’s done it with his boys. I know I’ve done it with my son, you know. But boys, they love to be challenged. That’s why this Jordan Peterson stuff has taken off on Youtube. All he’s doing is challenging them and he doesn’t even have a relationship with them, right? That’s how hungry these guys are. But for me, what I’ve seen is a life on life mentoring. We’ve done things like we do this thing called the Bro Zoom, and because a lot of these young men arens another thing, Rick, I’ve been talking to guys about- What are the dangerous pursuits that you’re going after? You know, boys want to ride that a ATV. Man I can’t tell you how many of my guys on staff had never ridden an ATV, never shot a gun, never rode a horse, never done some of those things. And they eat it up. They eat it up. And that’s the thing that, you know, Wild at Heart talks about, is guys want to be adventurous and so I’ve been challenging my guys, you know, let’s get off the phones. Let’s get… Let’s get off the the Xbox or Playstation. Let’s get out there and and do some things and that it’s going to help unlock… It’s just a physical principle. It’s going to help unlock some of the things that God is trying to build in you and in. So whether it’s through bro zooms, which are zooms that we call bro zooms, because they like it, or it’s been through life on life mentoring, or it’s been through even just some of the programs that we’ve done and we’ve really been focusing on our highschool and college age young people and then having them push it down to our younger guys, in their cabins.

 

Tim Barton:

Now, David, you’ve talked about too some of the testimonies that you got from some of these guys, because I even remember we talked not long after that Sunday, when you challenge them, you’re…. So often we find guys in one ditch or the other, either you’re too aggressive, or you’re too soft. And I remember even then you talked about how, much of a positive response you got from guys then and now you’ve been doing it a couple of years and you have shared several testimonies that I do want to encourage people listening, that one of the challenges we have in the nation right now, it’s not that we have a bunch of kids whose hearts are in the wrong place, it’s we have kids that haven’t been discipled. That like they want to do right, they want to do well, they haven’t been trained and they’re hungry for it. And if there were people willing to be intentional and to invest in them, we would see some of these results. I want you, if you will, to tell one or two the stories, the testimonies of what you have seen so that the parents and grandparents out there, that right now are wondering, what can I do do, how can I make a difference. Is there even a hope now? Obviously every story is going to be different but what are some of the results you’ve experienced?

 

David Pate:

Yes, this started in 2021. So we’re, you know, almost two years into this movement of what we’re trying to do with our guys. And then I just start handing them out books and just start talking to them about it. So they went home. They read them during the year. These are these were college guys specifically, they during the year got a group together that I wasn’t a part of. And they start talking about the goals for the next summer and what kind of a staff they wanted to have. So one of the things that we do is obviously with the mass shootings and the different things in our culture, today. We bring a guy in who trains our staff. What to do if an active shooter was to come in right? And he asked for examples in training. And only half the guys went up there to help out with this takedown or whatever he was training us to do it.

 

Tim Barton:

So asking for participants, right? So, again, you have not all the guys are volunteering. I imagine there’s probably some girls who are like, yeah, we’ll help.

 

David Pate:

Half the guys volunteered and we had about ten girls volunteer and that was one of the things that I pointed out. So this next summer they came back with the goals, with the challenges that I gave them. They said as a group collectively, we want to be that man that David was talking about. So when the active shooter training happened again, every guy jumped out of their seat and ran to the front. And I was like, let’s go. Because here was men who were challenged and a little bit embarrassed when I talked to… And I said it in love. And I love you guys, but you’re not where you need to be. And that… One year later, after reading the books, after doing the Bro zooms after having the challenging talks and then the even a little talks around the dinner table, they got together. They created some goals and they stepped up and I thought that to me embodied everything that we’ve talked about. I also gave challenges. I showed obviously the videos from, you know, like the, you know, the gas station videos where the man comes up. The girl goes and asks for help. A guy that’s pumping gas and the guy doesn’t help and her boyfriend comes and drags her away. No one does anything.

 

Tim Barton:

Yeah, people, that didn’t want to get involved. I don’t want to be part of the drama, right? It’s the thing we’ve seen.

 

David Pate:

The subways on the subways

 

Tim Barton:

Yeah, people, yeah. Being assaulted and people are out with their cameras. They’re going to video it.

 

David Pate:

And men are either taking videos or just watching or whatever. And I challenge my guys. And they have been stepping up and said, you know what, we’re going to be some… You know, the scripture, No greater love than a man that lays his life down for a friend. And so I’ve seen… I’ve got one young man who is entering the military. He’s going into dental school, but he wants to go through the military because he has said, I want to do something about it. I want to step up then. So we’re seeing, you know, just these examples, guys are starting to carry things. You see a girl walking by. A girl grabs a trash bag and they’re like uh-uh. They’re flocking up like, alright guys don’t run her over to grab that trash bag and throw it away. But but I said, I’m so proud of you guys. Because the big thing I’ve been saying is step up. Guys have to step up. Girls are already stepping up. The guys have got to step up.

 

Tim Barton:

One, I think one of the sad realities of the challenge for us as adults and parents, grandparents, is so often we look at the way things are and we get frustrated and disappointed and we think they should know better.

 

David Pate:

How? How are they going to know better?

 

Tim Barton:

The only way you know better is if someone is teaching you, actively engaging you, and showing you how to do different.

 

Rick Green:

How will I know unless someone teaches me?

 

Tim Barton:

That’s it right, this is. You know, I mean, Rick, We’ve talked about this a lot and guys, I do think you know one of the interesting things, David, you mentioned early on is kind of the cycle of the strong men make good times and good times make weak men and weak men make bad times. Bad times make hard men. I do think we are in that cycle of we’re in hard times and I don’t know that we are now in the cycle that we’re about to be, you know that it’s going to be awhile for strong men to make good times. But what I’m encouraged by is, I mean, Rick, I know this is true for your boys. It’s true for me, David, for you and your son. I mean we now, almost all my friends. We do some kind of training, whether it be firearm training or martial arts like Jiujitsu I mean, there are people now that are paying way more attention and going, you know what? I want to be a hard man and a hard man in the sense of the tinder warrior aspect. That I want to be able to be what I need in the scenario that needs me, whether, right, obviously, I want to be the spiritual leader from my home, the spiritual leader of my friends and Family, but I want to be able to be the warrior when the warrior is needed.

 

David Pate:

Boys need someone to give them permission to be the man that God’s called them to be, and that’s what we’ve been trying to do. They need that permission.

 

Rick Green:

Guys, I, you know, I have no doubt people are listening right now and just the conversation today is giving them hope. Just the fact that it’s recognized. This issue is recognized, this vacuum is recognizing there’re young men out there that are listening right now, going, Yes, I want that. I want that. I want that kind of leadership on my life. I want to be that kind of man. And I guarantee you one hundred percent guarantee you, from tons of conversations there are a lot of young ladies listening right now. They’re saying Amen! Amen!

 

David Pate:

One hundred percent yes.

 

Rick Green:

So this is great man I’m just thrilled that we even had the conversation, but we want people to take action as well. And definitely, David, before we go, what’s the age range for Brookhill and and how late is too late or how early, too early to start applying for this summer?

 

David Pate:

Okay, so we actually opened the beginning of January and we’ve got, you know, probably close to fifteen hundred now signed up, which is about halfway for us, But it’s second grade to ninth grade that so finish second grade up to finish ninth grade.

 

Tim Barton:

What’s important to about this, right, is for some parents are like okay might my kid is right second third, fourth grade. They are not in a place to deal with this yet. Like no. If if you have a young man that you want to be trained by a godly young man, Brookhill’s the place, right. If you have a godly young woman you want trained by godly young women this is literally the place to go. And Rick, we’re even promoting Brookhill that this is something else we’ve talked about a lot on this program, is you guys are doing firearms training for people to learn how to defend themselves. These are the things that we have to become more intentional about with our families. Take your family and go do firearm training with Rick, right? Or if you have young people second through ninth grade, send them to Brookhill. Brookhill.com You will not regret it. It is worth every penny you will spend. But these are the intentional things we need to start doing to change a generation.

 

Rick Green:

Yeah and you know, we will have links today. I mean, folks start making plans for the whole year. Plan ahead for this this summer, you know you can come to the Constitutional Defense Course with us starting in April on our new campus site and that’s the chance to study the Constitution and learn to defend your family as well with a handgun. And that’s eleven years old and up, so you can begin to train them while they’re young. Start to plan your summer out for your young… For second through nineth to attend the Summer Institute with WallBuilders And that’s that’s a hands on Patriot Academy’s leadership congress across the country in state capitals, hands on. I mean, there is definitely that there’s no excuse. There’s plenty of opportunity. Now you have to. If you’ve been inspired, today you’ve heard these things, now you have to start stepping out and you have to start looking for those opportunities and plugging in. Such a great program. Special thanks to David Pate for joining us today. Thank you for listening to WallBuilders!