A Warning to Christians From a Jew, with Rabbi Daniel Lapin: It”€™s time to stand up for our freedoms in America. We as Christians are being attacked and silenced. Well, it”€™s time we take a stand for our rights and for our faith. In America have been given the ability and the power to stand up and prevent evil. We have the opportunity here in America to use social media to gather people together to stand against injustices towards Christians.   Rabbi Daniel Lapin is back with us today to discuss a recent article he wrote on Christian persecution and the importance that Christians start standing up and doing something about it.  We discuss ways this can be done and also the Biblical ground and reasons for standing as opposed to only turning the other cheek.  Tune in now to learn more.

Air Date: 01/09/2018

Guest: Rabbi Lapin

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture.  This is WallBuilders Live! Where we talk about today”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. Always from a Biblical, historical, and Constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, he”€™s America’s premier historian and the founder of WallBuilders. We”€™re also here with Tim Barton. He”€™s national speaker, pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state legislator.

You can find out more about us at our website, WallBuildersLive.com. That”€™s got a list of all the stations we’re on across the country and you can also check out some of the archives of past programs over the last few weeks and months. Also, WallBuilders.com is our main website. You want to check that out because it’s got some fantastic materials for you to equip and inspire your family to be good citizens and help us preserve freedom for future generations.

David, Tim, later in the program Rabbi Daniel Lapin will be with us. It’s a little bit like Winston Churchill warning America about the threat of communism. Well, Rabbi Lapin has a warning for us later in the in the program. And it’s kind of part of this really neat teaming up of different religions out there to preserve liberty.

Different Religions Teaming Up to Preserve Liberty

David:

It’s interesting different religions are teaming up, to a degree, based on how strongly they support the Bible. And what you’re finding is that those who believe strongly in the Bible – Protestants, Catholics, and Jews, are all teaming up. While those who don’t believe strongly in the Bible – Protestants, Catholics, and Jews are teaming up on the other side. So, the lines are really being redrawn in the sense of labels. But its gone, it’s going down the line of whether you believe the Bible or not.

And it’s kind of an interesting thing, I saw this article–

Tim:

And let me jump in, I would say whether or not you believe in Biblical values, right?

David:

That’s right.

Tim:

Because there are some things in the Bible that Jews might look at–

David:

That”€™s true.

Tim:

— or there are some parts of the account where “€œI don”€™t really agree with that.”€ Right, but it’s a Biblical value. It’s a core, that we are able to unite around. And so it’s the Biblical values that are uniting groups that don’t always agree on theological matters. But with these Biblical principles, they are uniting behind them.

America”€™s First War Fighting Muslim Terrorists

David:

And it’s an interesting combination. I was reminded of — and this happened because I saw this article by Rabbi Lapin and thought, “€œAlright, we need to cover this because of how unique it is.”€ Not only what he’s saying, but where he said it. But it reminded me back of when America was engaged in the first war fighting Muslim terrorists. There was a 32-year war that we had, and the latter part of that war, the fourth president to have to fight Muslim terrorists was President James Madison.

President Madison got involved in the War of 1812 against the British. And the Muslims started attacking us again because we didn’t have a navy available, we were fighting the British. And so the way that President Madison tried to handle it was, he took a Jewish leader, a noted Jewish leader, named Mordecai Noah.

He said, “€œI don’t have a navy to go rescue all these guys. But the Muslims are enslaving and capturing all these Christians. You’re a Jew, would you go over and talk to the Muslims and see if they”€™ll let the Christians go?”€ You go, “€œWait a minute, you’re sending a Jew to talk to Muslims to let Christians go?”€ Which is exactly what happened in 1814-1815 thereabouts when James Madison sent Mordecai Noah.

Well, what got my attention here was I saw Rabbi Lapin”€™s name authoring an article and it’s in a Catholic magazine.  You know, historically Jews and Catholics have not gotten along well at all. And here Rabbi Lapin is writing in a Catholic magazine and he’s writing in defense of Christians, Christians who are being persecuted.  He”€™s standing up and saying, “€œHey, guys you need to be aware.”€ So, let me see if I get this right, an orthodox Jewish Rabbi is writing in a Catholic magazine, writing to Christians, to help keep them out of persecution.

That’s an interesting combination.

Rick:

Well, Rabbi Lapin is actually our guest today. We always love having him on the program, but this one folks, you’ve got to pay attention to this warning. And what Christians have got to do if we’re going to be able to defend that faith for future generations.

Stay with us Rabbi Daniel Lapin our special guest today. You need a Rabbi, folks, just like we do. Check out his website – RabbiDanielLapin.com. We’ll be back in a moment on WallBuildersLive.com.

We Want To Hear Your Vet Story

Rick:

Hey friends! If you have been listening to WallBuilders Live for very long at all, you know how much we respect our veterans and how appreciative we are of the sacrifice they make to make our freedoms possible. One of the ways that we love to honor those veterans is to tell their stories here on WallBuilders Live.  Once in awhile, we get an opportunity to interview veterans that have served on those front lines that have made incredible sacrifices have amazing stories that we want to share with the American people.

One of the very special things we get to do is interview World War II veterans. You’ve heard those interviews here on WallBuilders Live, from folks that were in the Band of Brothers, to folks like Edgar Harrell that survived the Indianapolis to so many other great stories you heard on WallBuilders Live.

You have friends and family that also served.  If you have World War II veterans in your family that you would like to have their story shared here on WallBuilders Live, please e-mail us at [email protected]  Give us a brief summary of the story and we’ll set up an interview. Thanks so much for sharing here on WallBuilders Live!

Rick:

Welcome back thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live. Our good friend Rabbi Daniel Lapin back with us. Rabbi, always good to have you, sir.

Rabbi Lapin:

Thank you very much indeed. Being on WallBuilders is an absolute pleasure. And it gives me the feeling that I’m doing something useful and important on the front lines of the titanic struggles that are roiling our country right now.

Rick:

Well, the way that you help equip and inspire our listeners and a ton of other folks I know that you reach throughout the year is just vital. It is vital and we’re blessed to be able to work with you, so thank you for all that you do. Thanks also for speaking to our legislators a few months ago at the legislators conference really inspired them as well.

Rabbi Lapin:

Oh, it’s a fantastic group. Really a fantastic group.

“€œA Rabbi’s Warning To U.S. Christians”€

Rick:

Well, your article that you that you just put out “€œA Rabbi’s Warning To U.S. Christians.”€ Talk to us a little bit about why the American people, specifically the American Christian community, need to listen up to this warning.

Rabbi Lapin:

Well, I think that the clearest case is that the most unprotected, minority in America are Bible-committed religious, Christians.   The best evidence of that really is when a group of Hollywood directors and producers were spoken to by a guy called Michael Pack a little while ago.   One of the questions was, “€œLook, you know Independence Day, you blew up the Vatican and you blow up Jerusalem, but how come you guys don’t do a movie about blowing up the *cobblestone in Mecca?”€Â  Their answer was refreshingly honest.  They said, “€œBecause we don’t want to get killed.”€

Rick:

Wow.

Rabbi Lapin:

So, what this boils down to is that because you can attack the religious Jews and religious Christians with complete impunity because we’re not going to slit stewardesses throats, or fly planes into buildings, or drive trucks into crowds, we’re not going to do those things. So, go ahead and take your best shot at that.

Rick:

And they do. They absolutely do. And it’s having a huge impact.

Rabbi Lapin:

And they do. And of course, you know the phrase, “€œturn the other cheek”€ appears not only in the New Testament, but it’s also in the Old Testament in the book of Lamentations. In the Hebrew model, it’s not a recommended course of action, it’s a curse. In other words, things are going to be so bad when things go bad for you, things are going to go so bad you’re not even going to be able to do anything else. The people hit you once, you are going to be able to do nothing when they come back and hit you a second time.

A Complete Erosion of the Reputation of Christianity

Rick:

Well, right now there seems to be a complete erosion as a result of those attacks. A complete erosion of the reputation of Christianity, of the impact of Christianity. People are even getting to the point where they, even Christians, they’re afraid to say what their faith is or to in any way extol the virtues of what happens when you live by these Biblical principles. It’s taken a toll in America.

Rabbi Lapin:

No, it does. There’s another aspect of it which is one step beyond what you’re describing which worries me immensely – and that is young people. Young people when they see their parents being beaten up, lose respect. They lose respect for us and for our values. So, I see it as an enormous problem that we raise our children to be God-fearing and to revere the Bible and then they go to college.

And they come to university and these ignorant professors who don’t have a single coherent thought, and for whom mental spasms masquerade as coherent thoughts. These people get up and, literally, they attack faith, they attack the Bible, they attack Christianity. And our children are not only listening to that, but they know that we’re paying money for them to have to listen to that.

Rick:

Yeah.

Rabbi Lapin:

It’s not a healthy thing, just it”€™s not a healthy thing. Especially if we’d like to be able to inculcate these deep values in our children, I think they”€™ve got to see us standing up for them a little bit more.

Rick:

No doubt, no doubt. And you draw comparisons to even the years that it took for the German people to be softened before tyranny could take hold in the thirties. You draw comparisons to that and say, “€œLook, the American people have been softened by entertainment, and by all the prognosticators, and certainly by the universities. To the point that we’re becoming more and more willing to allow persecution of Christians and allow us to become second class citizens.

A Subtle Process

Rabbi Lapin:

Well, this is a process that’s been going on subtly already since the 1900″€™s in the sense that Karl Marx imposed socialism.  basically, Karl Marx”€™s worldview is being taught in schools and universities today. And then Charles Darwin introduced the idea that we are really nothing more than nine dollars worth of common chemicals and that really essentially it’s nothing but secularism. And Sigmund Freud introduced the idea that Christianity is nothing but a neurosis and Judaism as well. So you”€™ve got three messages that began to be inculcated in the early 1900″€™s.

They’ve reached fruition today in our culture. In Europe and in the United Kingdom it”€™s already far gone. But essentially now whereas you used to be able to, really up until 1960 you could send your children to any American public school knowing that they’d be safe spiritually and physically and that they would at least gain mastery of the three R’s of writing, reading, and arithmetic.  Today you send your children to these places that are really not safe spiritually.   They”€™re certainly not even being taught reading, writing, and arithmetic, they’re taught gender theory.

And what they are being taught is, unfortunately, socialism, secularism, and sexualism.

Rick:

Yeah. That’s exactly what they’re coming home with.

Rabbi Lapin:

I call it the three S’s have replaced the three R’s.

Rick:

Yeah. I haven’t heard anybody describe it that way. As usual, you describe it better than anybody else. That’s exactly what’s happened and we’ve, just in the last couple of weeks, done–

Thoughts From the Outside

Rabbi Lapin:

I thought I’d write this piece and send it to my friends. So many friends who are in the Christian community are saying these same concerns I do. I wanted to say, “€œLooking in from the outside, I”€™ve got to tell you – you guys, you’re going to have to take your jacket off, and roll up your sleeves, and do– You”€™re going to have to bloody a few noses.”€ Because look what happens anytime somebody takes a crack at Jews – Jewish organization jump up and my goodness, they arrange financial penalties. It’s hard to see as a flagrant anti-Semitic statement, or joke, or ridicule, coming out of Hollywood.

And when Larry David tried his concentration camp joke, it was horribly bad taste. But the fact that he’s Jewish didn”€™t protect him. He got really raked over the coals for that. He’s not going to be doing that again anytime soon. And I  just want to say to my Christian brothers, “€œYou guys have got to do the same thing. Don’t let these people get away with it.  They’re mindless morons trying to get a * out of ridiculing the one group that’s not going to come after them and punish.”

Rick:

You’re saying we’ve got to fight back. What is the appropriate way to fight back?

Rabbi Lapin:

To go after an individual, not an organization. You know you don’t try boycotting Hollywood or anything like that. Or boycotting a major– no, you don’t do that. But you pick on one guy. Whether it’s Bill Maher – and I’m not saying he’s the best target because he actually gets Islamized.

But you decide on somebody to make a– look what the women have done. And I’m not endorsing or condemning it, they literally wiped out– leave out Weinstein who seems to be a particularly egregious example, but for heaven”€™s sake, there were all kinds of other people who, I don”€™t doubt, were pretty much doing what was normally done in the news and entertainment business. And they went after them. It’s going to be many a long year before any male executive is rude to a woman again. It”€™s not going to happen soon.

Make An Example

Rabbi Lapin:

What I’m saying is, make an example. Pick somebody who is particularly egregious, maybe it”€™s a university professor, and there’s no shortage of those, who make your kids”€™ lives a misery.

Rick:

Yeah, yeah.

Rabbi Lapin:

Or maybe it’s an entertainer.  You get hold of the Ivy university authorities, or you get with the advertisers who advertise on his show.   Within the Christian community as in the Jewish community, it’s not that hard to build connections on connections.   You know that’s the whole way LinkedIn works. Find the people who have some influence for the people who can hurt where it hurts in the pocket.

Rick:

And that’s what people can actually do on their own in their communities. When they see these kinds of attacks to actually stand up against it and start going, fighting back against those individuals.

Rabbi Lapin:

You’ve got to fight that where it hurts. Find the people who are giving large sums to that university that employs this professor and have them call the president. You say, “€œYou’ve got to get rid of this guy. If you want to retain your relationship with us, you’ve got to get rid of this guy. He can”€™t be allowed to treat Christians that way.”€

Rick:

Yeah, yeah. And you do enough of that, a few good examples and–

Rabbi Lapin:

Yeah, and you have to do it a few times and the word gets around.

Rick:

That”€™s right. That’s right. Well, more from Rabbi Daniel Lapin can be found at his website. The easiest way to get there is YouNeedARabbi.com. Or you go straight to RabbiDanielLapin.com. We’ll have links today at WallBuildersLive.com.

Rabbi, always good to have you, sir. Looking forward to next time.

Rabbi Lapin:

Thank you very much indeed. Love you guys and I hope we”€™ll see each other again soon.

Rick:

Very good. Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Biographical Sketches

Hi friends! This is Tim Barton of WallBuilders.This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. I know, oftentimes as parents, we”€™re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

If you remember back in the Bible, the Book of Hebrews it has the Faith Hall of Fame, where they outlined the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.

I wanted to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called, “€œThe Courageous Leaders Collection“€ and this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers.

There’s a second collection called, “€œHeroes of History“€ in this collection you read about people like Benjamin Franklin, Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman, the list goes on and on.

This is a great collection for your young person to have and read. And it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at WallBuilders.com.

“€œToughen Up and Get Busy Fighting Back or You’re Going to Lose Everything You Hold Dear”€

Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks to Rabbi Daniel Lapin for joining us today. Back with David and Tim Barton now. And you know, hey guys, he’s basically saying, “€œToughen up and get busy fighting back or you’re going to lose everything you hold dear.”€

David:

Yeah, I love what he said. He said, “€œLook, you need to take your jackets off, and roll up your sleeves, and bloody some noses.”€ That’s, I love that. But he’s right, and I loved his strategy, he said, “€œYou go after the individual – not the group. You need to pick somebody who’s particularly egregious and make that example.”€

And as he pointed out, even the bad humor from a Jewish comedian, he got beat up enough that he’s not going to cross that grid again. And so as he said, Rabbi pointed out that it’s really kind of hard to attack the Jews now in media and in other things because they’ve been– you get beat up so bad when you do. But nobody is doing that for Christians. And so here’s a Jewish guy standing up and saying, “€œHey guys, you need to kick some tail and take some names here and this kind of stuff will stop.”€

Very Telling – Why They Don”€™t Go After Muslims

David:

And I thought it was really significant where he was talking to Hollywood guys and said, “€œHow come you don”€™t–“€Â  they were asked, “€œHow come you don’t do movies against Muslims?”€ “€œBecause they’ll kill us.”€ Christians and Jews don’t kill us. Okay, we’re not going to kill you, but maybe we do need to bloody your nose a little bit and make sure that you’re not coming after us.

Tim:

Figuratively speaking.

David:

That’s right. Thank you.

Tim:

We’re not encouraging violence necessarily.

David:

We’re encouraging activism where you get, as he said, you get retailers and advertisers involved with the thing and you get lots of letters going in and—

Rick:

We”€™re going to bloody your financial nose, that”€™s what it is.

David:

That’s what it is.

Make Financial Consequences

Rick:

We’re going to make sure you know that there’s a consequence for attacking Christians and silencing Christians. There’s going to be a financial consequence in the marketplace in response to that.

Tim:

Well, and the fact that he said, “€œBe strategic about it. Choose an individual.”€ We really have a plateful. As he identified, whether you look at education in these institutions where you have professors and presidents of universities who are very openly anti-Christian, anti-Christian values, Christianity is dumb, you shouldn’t believe in it. You really can look across a marketplace and find people. But I thought that’s a really good point that we don’t need to attack all of Hollywood.

We shouldn’t attack all education, all universities. When somebody does something egregious, that ought to be the pinpoint and say, “€œWait a second, no, no, no, what this guy just did, unacceptable. We”€™ve got to light that guy up on Twitter, all over social media. It ought to be a trending topic because of how he’s getting attacked, or she, as the case might be, because of their really kind of inappropriate, whether it’s writing, or speech, or whatever it is.”€ But as Rabbi Lapin pointed out, Christians have to fight back to defend Christianity.

Rick:

But, Tim, isn’t this– it’s going to be hard to find an example where we need to fight back, right? It’s happened so rare.

Tim:

Yeah, yeah.

Rick:

Is there a rich environment or what?

Can 72 Percent Make Any Noise?

David:

Well, I’m not sure that’s the issue because I’m not sure that there are enough Christians in the United States to create any noise. Because after all, of all religious people in the United States, 90 percent of those who choose any religion choose Christianity. And that’s 72 percent of the nation. So I’m not, can 72 percent of the nation make any noise? I don”€™t know–

Tim:

We only have the vast majority of people. I don’t know if we can pull this off.

David:

It”€™s going to be tough.

Tim:

Vast majority.

Rick:

We’ve got to really think about this and strategize, so we’re going to have to go to break to do that and do some math. Figure out if we can find one Christian willing to stand up and fight back. We’ll be right back. Stay with us, folks. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Bring A Speaker To Your Area

Tim:

Hey, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders.  And as you’ve had the opportunity to listen to WallBuilders Live, you’ve probably heard a wealth of information about our nation, about our spiritual heritage, about the religious liberties, and about all the things that make America exceptional.

And you might be thinking, “€œAs incredible as this information is, I wish there was a way that I could get one of the WallBuilders guys to come to my area and share with my group.”€

Whether it be a church, whether it be a Christian school, or public school, or some political event, or activity, if you’re interested in having a WallBuilders speaker come to your area, you can get on our website at www.WallBuilders.com and there’s a tab for scheduling. If you”€™ll click on that tab, you’ll notice there’s a list of information from speakers bio’s, to events that are already going on. And there’s a section where you can request an event, to bring this information about who we are, where we came from, our religious liberties, and freedoms. Go to the WallBuilders website and Bring a speaker to your area.

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Rabbi Lapin for joining us earlier as well. And guys, as we were going to the break, we were joking about there are no real opportunities to fight back on this. Obviously, it’s everywhere in every community.

But I”€™ve got to ask you guys, so some people would hear this and say, “€œYeah, but we’re not supposed to. We’re supposed to just turn the other cheek,  not supposed to respond. We’re not supposed to fight back.”€ What do you say to that?

It”€™s Not About Your Glory – It”€™s About Christ

David:

No, you fight back for the– you don’t fight back for your own glory. It’s not about me. It’s about the name of Christ. And because Christ in this nation has given me the ability and the power to stand up and prevent evil. We’re told in Ezekiel 3 and Ezekiel 33 if you don’t stand up to make a difference when you see evil coming then God will lay that evil at your feet.

So, I have the opportunity here in America to use all kinds of social media, to use all of electronic communications, other things, to use all my friends, to gather people together, and make sure that nobody ever gets derided in the same way. That you’re not going to throw Jack Phillips in jail for not baking a cake for a homosexual wedding. You’re not going to do that and you’re the reporter who made an issue out of this.

But we have so many examples where a reporter does a “€œgotcha”€ kind of an interview. They lead somebody who’s not knowledgeable about the press and how insidious they can be, they lead them to saying something that they never intended to say and when they said it, they choose just a clip out of it.

I’ve talked before about how that I was asked by Congressman to go on and defend something on the media. I did, they tape me for 25 minutes, they used a six-second answer, and they attach the answer to a different question than what they asked me. Now, they needed to have been lit up over that. I just turned the other cheek and walked away. But what happens is they keep doing that to person, after person, after person, because there’s never any cost extracted.

And we can extract a cost in America through constitutional means.

Examples from Scripture

Tim:

Let me point out also from the Bible how many times the profits go and challenge people that were doing the wrong thing, right? Whether it’s a governmental position, a leadership position, how often did the profits go and say, “€œYou’re wrong. Don’t do this.”€ Or, it seems like John the Baptist called out the sitting elected– or he wasn”€™t even elected– the city official and called them names, right?  Well, you and you’re doing this.

He actually was beheaded because of it. Jesus in John chapter 2. Matthew, I think it’s 21, where He actually forms, fashions a whip, He goes in the temple, He can’t take it anymore, we’re not going to let this happen. Well, there are some moments when, as a Christian, it’s okay to be intolerant.

Our Children Need to See Us Stand

When it’s okay to step up and say, “€œWe’re not going to do this anymore. We’re not going to allow it to happen. We’re not going to tolerate this.”€ How many times did Jesus oppose the Pharisees, right? There are times and moments it is okay to stand up against somebody doing something wrong.

Especially if it is to minimize what God has given, us what God is doing. And so, by the way, it’s what the founding fathers did. Read the Declaration of Independence when they said that God has given us inalienable rights, and the King is taking them away, therefore we’re going to separate from the king. And there’s 27 grievances, 27 areas, where the king has taken away our God-given rights, what God’s allowed us to do, what God, through creation, has revealed that we should be allowed to do. And so this is a moment where, as a Christian, we should be standing up for what is right.

Not being afraid we’re going to offend somebody.

Notable Jew Warns Christians

David:

With that, I want to point out something he said as we close. He said, “€œOur children need to see us standing up for our values.”€

Rick:

Yes.

David:

And that’s one of the things you”€™re teaching the next generation, “€œOh, that value”€™s not were standing up for.”€ No, you can’t teach that. You have to show that there are values worth standing for, and they”€™re God’s values, and you don’t come after God’s people in a country where we have the choice of doing you that.

Rick:

And, Tim, you mentioned the Declaration and those 27 grievances. Let’s not forget they were willing at that point to pledge and give their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. That”€™s the kind of attitude we need in America again. We appreciate you being with us today on WallBuilders Live.