Christians In Middle East And Rescuing The Persecuted: The Nazarene Fund is rescuing persecuted Christians around the world and especially girls being kidnapped for sex trafficking in the Middle East. Tune in today for an update and also to learn how you can help!

Air Date: 03/25/2019

Guest: Rudy Attalah

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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The Nazarene Fund


Later in the program, Rudy Attalah will be with us. David, Tim, of course, you guys– David, you serve with him for the Nazarene Fund and get to be a part of those incredible missions that these guys do. And you get a lot of inside information we could talk about here on the on the program, but you know what an amazing thing it is that the Nazarene Fund does it. This is not just a foundation that raises money, and puts out information, and educates people. They’re literally rescuing people, saving lives, and making a big difference over in the Middle East.


Yeah, making a big difference is right. We’ve been recognized as being the most aggressive, most active Middle East saving persecuted Christians. Actually, the U.N. has want us to come do some training for them because there are people at the U.N. that actually care about persecuted Christians. That’s one of the things they wanted. So, there are a number of groups that wanted to know how we do this, how we pull it off.

And we’ve got great folks. You mentioned Rudy. We’ve had Rudy on before. I don’t think we’ve really talked about him all that much in the sense of who he is. But here’s a guy who’s an Air Force veteran for a full career and then retired.

He is intelligence officer and is still so highly ranked that when Trump was elected and came in, Rudy was rated as the number one guy on intelligence with all of Africa and the Middle East. So, he was the number one guy for them. What he’s done.

If anybody saw the movie Captain Phillips which was Captain Phillips rescued from the Somali pirates, it was Rudy who orchestrated that takedown, found out who the bad guys were, where they were, how to get after him. There was a book that just came out recently about a big narco trafficker and Rudy is the guy who provided the intelligence to bring down this terrorist narco trafficker and take him down.

So, he’s been involved in so many big, big, high profile things. But he’s the name behind it because like intelligence officers are, his deal is I’m going to put all this together and make it happen and move on and find the next bad guy.

Tracking In The Middle East


Well, because of all those assets he’s able to go on in the Middle East and find where all sorts of people are being held. Track down little girls who were taken by ISIS for sex trafficking stuff, they’re taken as sex slaves, and he can find them get them out. One of the folks we recently got out found out where he was, he had a little Christian girl he’d kidnapped at the age of three and turned her into a sex object, able to rescue her and get her out. He’s able to do things on the ground that we are able to feed back even to intelligence assets who are fighting the War On Terror.

So, just what he has, his level of knowledge and expertise is remarkable. But his passion for saving Christians all throughout the Middle East is unsurpassed. I’ve never seen a guy this passionate about it. As a matter of fact, he just– he texted me something here, I’ll just read it to you real quick. Actually, he texted me two things it looks like.

After they found the 50 Yazidi who had been beheaded. He said, “€œWe’ve now identified 3000 women that need to be rescued. We’re waiting for funding.”€ We talked about that and he said, “€œCounting them and their families it expands to 14000 need to be moved that ISIS is after.”€ And, by the way, Australia has told us they will take all of those folks.

So, we get the funding together and we can get that group out of there and get them safe. But he sent me four little pictures here. It”€™s a little Christian girl that was kidnapped by ISIS when she was three years old. “€œA few months ago our smugglers, the people who work with us closely on these issues, recovered her. She is currently in a place near Mosul, her father is handicaped and they have no support. We’d like to extract them, get them out, move them to Jordan, get them to the Australia program.”€ So, he goes through what she needs.

But this is the kind of stuff we do all the time whether it’s individual people or whether it’s thousands of people. We’re able to find these guys, and get them moved. And Rudy with all of his military assets with all the other countries, they are actually able to come alongside the Kurds, the KRD military, they hate ISIS, and they’ll help us go in and rescue these people. So, we have a lot of assets that are really good.

The Scope of Persecution


And, by the way, just on the scope of persecution, I just looked to see who are the top persecuting countries in the world right now, who are the ones that target Christians the most, where Christians are most likely to be in danger. And the top 50, there”€™s top 50 countries listed here. But you look at them and nearly all of them are Muslim. You have North Korea is number one, which is not Muslim, but Afghanistan is two, Somalia is three, Sudan, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Iran. These are the countries, so many of them, that we do work around and work with and they do target Christians for sure.

So, we thought it’d be good to get Rudy on and just kind of update us on what’s happening in the Middle East, make people aware of this. We did some polling a couple of years ago and 86 percent of Christians wanted to hear more about the condition of persecuted Christians in the globe. And wanted to know the things they could do to help with persecuted Christians and getting them some relief.

So, the Nazarene Fund and Rudy, these are great ways to be informed on it as well as to be involved with it. And this is a place that when we raise money for this we make sure 100 percent of what we raise for this goes to the actual object. We don’t keep any overhead out of this, we don’t pay our staff out of it, we find other ways to raise money to pay our staff. This goes to actually saving Christians and it’s a big deal.

So, I know of no one who knows more about it, and is more on the ground, and more informed on it than Rudy Attalah.


Stay with us, folks. Rudy will be with us when we come back from the break. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip


Hi, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders and I want to encourage all the pastors out there with a unique opportunity that we’re presenting it WallBuilders. We’re doing a special tour just for pastors that you can come and learn more about the spiritual heritage of our nation. Not just seeing the sights but understanding the significance of what they are and what they represent.

We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties  and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor”€™s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton with another moment from American history. The Second Amendment to the Constitution, which guarantees to every individual the right to keep and bear arms, has been targeted for years now by those who are determined to dismantle the individual right to self protection.

Opponents argue that, “€œOnly the militia, the military, and law enforcement are to have and use firearms.”€ But those who wrote the Second Amendment strenuously disagreed, including Founding Father Richard Henry Lee, a signer of the declaration, a president of the Continental Congress, and one of those who actually framed the Second Amendment.

He declared, “€œTo preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”€

For more information about Richard Henry Lee and the history of the Second Amendment go to


Welcome back thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Rudy Attalah is back with us. Always good to have you, Rudy. Thanks for your time today, man.

Rudy Attalah:

Thank you for having me.

What”€™s Different About The Nazarene Fund?


Hey, appreciate what you’ve done for decades and what you’re doing now with Nazarene Fund and White Mountain Research. And thanks for coming on the program and sharing with us what’s going on out there and what you guys are doing to help, and frankly, giving people a chance to be a part of it. I think that’s what’s a lot different about what you’re doing in the Nazarene Fund. We see a lot of these horrific atrocities, but we go, “€œMan, what can I do about Christians being persecuted or executed in the Middle East?”€

You guys are out there rescuing, you’re doing incredible things, and yet you’re willing to come inform us about it and let us come alongside you financially and with our prayers. So, I just think it’s cool. There’s not a lot of opportunities to do that. And our listeners love you and appreciate you for what you do. So, sorry for the long intro.

Rudy Attalah:



I just wanted you to know how much we appreciate you.

Rudy Attalah:

Love you guys too. We couldn’t do it without you.


Well, you all have already rescued thousands. There’s incredible stories even there on the website at the and how people can get involved. But we like having you on once in awhile just to find out what you’re right in the middle of and even get some of the reports of the last few months.

So, what’s next on your agenda? What are you working on right now that you can tell us about, at least?

What”€™s Going On Right Now?

Rudy Attalah:

Yeah. So, there’s– for those of you who are following the news, of course, there’s quite a bit going on in eastern Syria. A couple of weeks ago, British SAS went into an area in eastern Syria called Byblos. And right on the heels of chasing ISIS fighters out, they unfortunately discovered 50 Yazidi decapitated with their heads in dustbins. Lots of people left behind, malnourished, and in really poor shape.

So, we are doing our best. And there’s still– the fighting hasn’t stopped yet and that whole region. We have 45 Syrian Christian widows from the region that we are taking care of. A lot of families are pouring across the border into Iraq. Many of them are in such bad shape that– we’re in there grabbing as many as we can. We’re providing the medical attention where required. We’re providing shelter where required. Our work is just beginning.

One of the young boys that we rescued, a young boy named Mazin, was on NPR News not too long ago talking about something that I addressed in the past. And he said that  ISIS fighters were purchasing young boys and girls and they were selling them to organized criminal networks in order– to Turkish and Russian organized criminal networks for the sale of their organs for the black market.

So, Mazin was able to highlight this. I made an appeal yesterday again on the to are our supporters and your supporters, really, that we need to go back and tackle this issue. It’s not over. It’s still happening in northern Syria. Christians are being persecuted everywhere.

But the silver lining in this is we are also seeing a lot of converts to Christianity. Because many Muslims who saw the atrocities that were committed by ISIS, and that are continuing to be committed by ISIS, are having genuine conversions and following Christ.

Perfect Example From Lebanon

Rudy Attalah:

In Lebanon, perfect example, we took custody of a guy named Haitham. He was a Muslim, gave his life to Jesus when he was in Egypt, tattooed across on his arm, then was captured, tortured, they tried to cut the cross off his arm, they couldn’t get it all off, so they burned part of his arm with a hot poker. He escaped, went to Lebanon without papers, they chased them there. My guys grabbed him. He is in our care right now. His arm was healed and he went back and put a tattoo of Jesus on top and got baptized three days ago.



Rudy Attalah:

So, we’re seeing those types of things happening whether it’s Syria, whether it’s Iraq, whether it’s Lebanon, these things are happening. And you know what? As Christians– you always ask, Rick, “€œWhat can we do?”€ And the Bible says that in Proverbs 24:11 that we have to deliver those who are drawn towards death and hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. That’s what we are trying to do.

And Jesus gave us a commandment to love people and if whatever we do, even if it’s small, the tiniest little thing, if we do it with love like we’re all doing and we’re all in this together it’s going to really make a huge difference.


Oh, it does.

Rudy Attalah:

Yeah. I can go on and on in terms of rescues, but–


Well, in fact, just real quick, when you say it makes a difference, just so people can kind of get their head around this, and frankly, so I can get my head around it–

Rudy Attalah:


Multiplying The Effect


You all have already had over 100, like 120 ones specific recoveries of Christian Yazidi women and children they have been captured by ISIS. You’ve had over 10,000 evacuations that you’ve helped with, all kinds of special cases. You’re helping to get people moved into better living conditions and that’s in the thousands of people. This is a significant impact. This isn’t just a one or two here – which that would be great too.

But I just want people to realize, you guys are making a big difference and when they give financially, or they pray for you guys, or their church talks about what you’re doing and shares the good news of what you’re doing, it helps multiply that effect.

Rudy Attalah:

Absolutely. And I just want the listeners to understand, just to kind of put things into perspective. Before the war started in Syria, 10 percent of the population was Christian. And we’re talking about these are the ancient Judeo Christians that have been there for centuries from the beginning – Assyrians, Chaldeans, from the region. There were 3 million Christians in Syria. Today we’re down to 280,000 left. That’s just how hard it’s been on the Christians.

And many of them that are hiding in refugee camps that we’re helping out in places like *, and in and around Kurdistan, inside Lebanon, inside Jordan, these people are afraid to go back to their homes because they are being pushed out. Whether it’s radical groups associated with al-Qaeda or ISIS, but also on the Shiite side bolstered by Iran. A group called *. These people are terrorizing Christians. So, Christians are free to go anywhere.

We need to help them hold their ground number one because this is ancient ground. This is this is our Judeo Christian heritage. But b) also we need to help them stay united. And we need to show them that we are in solidarity with them and that we will stand shoulder to shoulder with them no matter what the consequences are. Because many of them are tortured for Christ, many of them are suffering for Christ, and they need to know that they’re not alone. We’re here for them.

We Can”€™t Forget!


Yeah. Amen. Amen. No doubt about it. Well, the website – is the best place, I guess, to follow as missions happen. You guys report on that, you blog on the things that you’re involved in. So, I guess the website is the best place to go?

Rudy Attalah:

Yes. Absolutely. We keep posting new stories. I just posted– we just posted another one now. So, every week there are updates that we give so people can follow us and see what we’re doing.


And before I let you go, Rudy, now, the continued findings of the horrific treatment by ISIS, that hasn’t stopped. Even this that happened just a week or two ago that they found–

Rudy Attalah:



–you’ve seen this happening for years now. Sometimes we forget what’s happening over there when it’s not reported on in the in the U.S.. So, you mentioned it while ago, but just to highlight that. Sometimes we can get lackadaisical and think, “€œOh it’s– that last group was captured, it’s done, it’s over.”€ It’s not, it’s still going on.

Rudy Attalah:

It’s actually, I would say that it’s worse now because what you have is ISIS and the lights have gone underground. They operate at night. They still terrorize people, they know who the Christians are, they know who the * are, they come out at night, they kill people, they put roadside bombs. Many of them, as our forces are taking over, the real estate of *, the eastern part of Syria, and we’re pushing them out, they’re blending into the populations. They’re just basically disappearing, or I say atommizing. And then sooner or later they’re going to resurface.

One report recently said that over 5000 ISIS fighters were able to escape from *. So, that just gives you a small number of how many of them still remain out there. And they’re going to come back, they’re going to resurge. It’s just a matter of time.


Yeah. Well, keep up the great work, brother. Thank you for your time and giving us a report on what’s going on.

We’ll have a link today to make it easy for folks to get there, but if you want to go straight there it’s the Rudy, always good to have you, brother. God bless you.

Rudy Attalah:

Thank you. God bless you too.


Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Avalon Project


Hey, guys, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders. I know you hear my dad and Rick talk a lot about our Founding Fathers about the original intent of our nation, a constitutional heritage that we have. And really we’ve seen how far we slipped away from that. And I know a lot of us as we hear my dad and Rick talk think, “€œI wish there was a place that I could go where I could see these documents and I could read and learn about the Founding Fathers firsthand.  See the things they did.”€

I want to give you some websites today that can help you accomplish that very thing. If you get online you can go to places like Library of Congress and you can look under their century of lawmaking or historical documents. You can go to the Avalon Project, to the Founders Constitution, Google Books, or even the internet archives.  

Or you can just go to We have a section for our WallBuilders Library. And under that section we have different subgroups for historical documents, historical writings, even a place where you can get helpful links to find out more information about other websites.  Where you can do research for yourself and find the truth for yourself. Friends, this is the time that we need to know who we are and where we came from. is a great place to go.

Just As Bad If Not Worse


We”€™re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Back with David and Tim Barton now. And, by the way, thanks to Rudy Atallah for coming on the program once again.

David, Tim, he makes it clear there’s still a lot more going on than what we even– if you’re just a casual news observer, you don’t realize how much is going on. And sometimes, like I asked him, you can get the impression that, “€œOh, we’ve squelched all that. It’s not an issue anymore.”€ And he’s saying, “€œNo, it’s actually just as bad if not worse.”€


Yeah. What’s happened is we’ve crushed a lot of the head leadership of ISIS. But 21 percent of that region is still under ISIS control. And what they’ve done is they’ve kind of gone underground. So, they’re still doing their stuff. He mentioned the organ harvesting. That’s one of the things they’re doing to raise funds for what they do.

So, they will take children, or men, or women, or whatever, and they will kill them, harvest their organs, sell those organs through groups in Turkey, particularly, is where they’re able to do this. We’ve been able to publicize and closed down two of those organ harvesting farms.

But you take up a little girl’s kidney, you can sell that for, I don’t know, 30,000 on the black market, whatever it is. So, since they have no respect for life anyway and since Christians are below human to them, take the Christians, take people who are not of their own group, and they will take and extract organs and sell it. So, we know of two other organ harvesting farms that have to be brought down. Got to get them closed. It usually takes international tension to do that, but we have to get all the documentation together to prove what they’re doing and then get it out and then it drives them underground at least for a while.

So, that kind of stuff is going on. ISIS is still very active over there. It’s just not as visible, they don’t have the visible heads they did because we have taken out many of the heads from the United States and the allied side on the war against terror.

Australia and Canada Help


But even when it when Rudy was talking about it, he said, “€œWe have 45 Syrian widows that we’re taking care of.”€ Well, that’s for this day. That’s not like this is our long term project to help 45 Syrian widows. This is 45 Syrian widows that we’re helping right now. But, oh my gosh, we’ve got so many others that we’ve got to go help as well.

So, we have been very, very, blessed with Australia and Canada being willing to take virtually whoever we send to them. Our screening, we did extreme vetting back before President Trump talked about it and people said, “€œYou can’t do that.”€ We’re already doing it and we do it to the degree that Australia basically has said, “€œWhoever you guys screen and vet, if you approve them, we’re taking them.”€

We’ve been actually able to uncover several ISIS members trying to get smuggled in other nations coming appearing to be Christian refugees and wanting help from they’re being persecuted. Well, they”€™re actually ISIS fighters putting on that front. So, with the kind of screening that we do at the level we do we’re able to expose some of those guys. And, God willing, we’ll never have one of those guys get through and so far we’ve been able to see most of them.

But it’s– there’s a lot here. And fortunately, President Trump has now got the United States to where it’s willing to accept persecuted Christians. It’s still a little more difficult than going to Australia or to Canada, but for a long time the United States would not accept persecuted Christians. They would accept refugee Muslims, but not refugee Christians. So, that is changing which is good.

But this is something that everybody can get involved with. We just found another 19,000 Yazidi sex slaves that need to be rescued. At this point, it takes us about sixty nine dollars is what it costs us to be able to rescue one of those Yazidi sex slaves and get them to safety in Australia. And Australia does a phenomenal job of getting them help, and counseling, and gettin them set up, and helping them have a job and career, etc.. Australia’s just been great. But, again, we’ve got this down to where that for 69 bucks we can get these people moved on.

You Can Make A Difference!


So, folks who want to make a difference and do something, I encourage you to go to the and designate this for the Middle East – Or you can go to the WallBuilders page and under, right there on the contribution page is a section for persecuted Christians. And everything that comes in, 100 percent of it, we put downrange to help the Christians. That’s not anything that either the Nazarene Fund or WallBuilders, we don’t keep money back to pay staff, or do clerical work, or anything else. We find other ways to do that. But here’s a good way to help Christians and other persecuted minorities like the Yazidis, etc..


Alright, folks, so you can make that contribution today right there at, you can go to our contribute page, it’s one of the options on the top of the page there. It”€™s actually fourth– no fifth from the left. Hit that contribute button or just go straight to and then you can actually choose to donate for the effort towards saving these persecuted Christians. Make sure you do that there today at

What a great program and just always enjoy an update from Rudy. It lets you know that when you make these contributions– this is one of the groups that Kara, my wife, and I donate to every year and we do that because we get to see these results, we get to hear about these actual lives that are being saved. So, I encourage you to do the same thing. Don’t wait until the very end of the year like we tend to do with these type of donations. They need finances now.

You heard David reading that that text. There are kids, and families, and folks, that are in need right now and that could be saved if we have the finances to be able to fund those those operations. So, again, Great opportunity to be a part of a phenomenal solution.

Christians In Middle East And Rescuing The Persecuted


Also encourage you to check out the resources that we’ve got for you at and so that you can equip the people around you. We”€™ve got some major changes we need to make in our nation and the education that is necessary for people to not march towards socialism like they have been doing is what we do here at WallBuilders. We actually educate people on why the American system works well, what the Constitution actually says, what the Bible says about these things, and what we can learn from history.

So, one of the easiest ways for you to be a part of that and helping to be a part of the solution, is spending time on and and sharing the links from these radio programs, going to the contribute button and making a donation to the program itself. That gets this information in more hands, that makes it more and more possible for us to have more more people voting wisely and looking at things from that biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We sure appreciate Rudy Attalah for joining us today. We thank you for listening. Appreciate you listening today to WallBuilders Live.