Climate Change – With Dr. Patrick Moore: Is there scientific evidence for global warming? Today we welcome the founder of Greenpeace, Dr. Patrick Moore. Tune in to hear amazing facts about climate change.

Air Date: 05/05/2020

Guest: Dr. Patrick Moore

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Jonathan Richie

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We Seek Truth Wherever it May Be

Alright, David, Jonathan, we got an interesting guest today, not our normal type of guests on WallBuilders Live. People typically think, you know, somebody that’s in politics or an attorney or our pastor or something like that This one’s a little different.

David:

Well, it’s a little different and it’s different in a number of ways. Now, we’re about truth that WallBuilders Live, so we’re going to try to put out truth and try to present guests to who have truth. And sometimes that truth will come from unexpected places or at least from, I guess the way to say it, we’re in the labeling so much today, everybody is labeled with a certain label and if you’re a certain label, this is what you believe. And today’s guest is going to be one that doesn’t fit the normal label.

So, let me kind of set this up by asking you guys right upfront. If I asked you to name liberal groups, what liberal groups would you name? Give me some?

Rick:

Proabortion.

David:

Alright, proabortion. So Planned Parenthood. Jonathan?

Jonathan:

Bloomberg News. I don’t know what they don’t like identifying people as like, you know this or that. I just want everybody to self-identify their selves, you know. I just don’t want to be bigoted.

David:

Yeah, I call them a Mil Z, because you’re right there between Gen Z and millennials, so you don’t even know the liberal group is, do you?

Jonathan:

I know we’re just friends.

David:

Yeah, exactly. Alright, Rick, back to you. So, you got Planned Parenthood. What else?

Rick:

Oh, the Graders of the world?

David:

Yeah, you got the climate change, kind of stuff that’s going on for sure. OPCC at the UN…

Rick:

Teachers unions…

Jonathan:

Open Border people.

David:

Open Borders.

Jonathan:

George Soros.

David:

The ACLUs, George Soros. Exactly.

Jonathan:

The news media.

David:

News media. Absolutely.

Rick:

LGBT, kind of sexual revolution.

Greenpeace

David:

Absolutely. Okay, let me throw out an organization Greenpeace. What do you know about Greenpeace, is it liberal or not?

Jonathan:

Yes.

David:

Alright. Greenpeace are liberal. When were they founded? What do they do?

Rick:

Sounds like the 70s for some reason.

David:

Yeah. I think 71 is right, Greenpeace was found. So, what are they known for?

Jonathan:

Greenpeace.

Rick:

You know, with someone with the last name, Green, I should know the answer to that. I don’t know. I mean, I’ve heard it forever, but I can’t remember. I just kind of throw them into the environmentalist group, but I don’t know what their specific mission is.

David:

Well, they were activists for green. You know, that everything is kind of PC now, we go green. So, you go to motels and they’re green. And you’ve got all these signs up about how, you know, we support green. So, it really is the sense of environmental protection. So that’s what they were there for.

When they get started back in 71, they were seen as really radical liberals, way out liberals. They were opposed to all nuclear testing for any reason, any way shape, fashion, form; they get started in 71. Now, they’ve expanded. There’s 55 nations that have chapters for Greenpeace, some way shape, fashion, form. So, they’re an international kind of a group. But here’s how Britannica explained who they were. They were for preserving endangered species of animals, preventing environmental abuses and heightening environmental awareness through direct confrontation with polluting corporations and government authorities.

So, the thing was anything that harms the earth in any way, we’re going to come after you. So, they were the ones who went after nuclear testing, they went after whale hunting and seals. They were the ones who, you know, would put their boats between the whale hunting ships and the seals or the whales. They really went after any kind of dumping of chemicals of any way, shape, fashion or form.

I mean, they really seen as anti-business and almost worshipping the earth. It’s like the earth is our God and you can’t do anything to harm the earth and we will defend the earth, because she needs defending. And it really was radical extreme environmentalism at the time. So, having said all that, the reason I asked that is because today’s guest on WallBuilders Live is a founder of Greenpeace. Wait a minute, a WallBuilders Live?

Welcoming a Liberal?

Rick:

We’re having on WallBuilders Live, a founder of Greenpeace.

David:

Founder of Greenpeace. And that’s not what anybody on the Left, if they heard that he was on WallBuilders Live, they [inaudible 06:26] say, no, no you got the wrong guy, check it again, it’s not the Greenpeace guy. But this is one of the things that, you know, I don’t care what your label is, if you’re standing for what is proven to be verifiable, objective truth, not just your opinion, you’re welcome to your opinion, but if you’re standing for truth, then you’re an ally as far as I’m concerned, even if we don’t agree on everything else out there, wherever we can find truth and find common ground and truth, I’ll stand with you. And so, what we’ve got today, this is going to be kind of mind blowing for anybody who knows labels, because this guy didn’t fit our label at all, we don’t fit his label at all, doesn’t matter. We got common ground and of all places, it is on climate change. And so, what he has said and done on climate change is, it sounds like something we would say and do. But he has scientific stats and information that will absolutely blow people away.

Rick:

It’s going to be pretty cool and like you said, very, very different. And can I say, pretty cool when we’re in the context of global warming, does that work…?

David:

Well, that’s a good one. Although you may have to explain that word to our Mil Z kid over here…

Jonathan:

These chilling facts.

David:

Yeah, he may not get it.

Rick:

Alright. Stay with us, folks. You’re going to be surprised by this one, Dr. Patrick Moore, our special guest. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Welcome Dr. Patrick Moore

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live, thanks for staying with us today. We’re excited today to have Dr. Patrick Moore. He’s one of the original co-founders and longtime leaders of Greenpeace. Dr. Moore, thanks for some time today, man. Appreciate you coming on.

Patrick:

Great to be with you, Rick.

Rick:

Well, you have been pointing out how the lack of science actually and certainly, lack of consensus in science, you know, does not lend to the hysteria that we often see right now in terms of the world’s going to end tomorrow and therefore, government needs to spend a lot more money. So, you’ve been trying to point this out to folks and we just wanted our listeners to hear some of the very salient points you’ve been making from the science part of it with the Earth’s temperature to just the economic impact. How do you change the world’s opinion in 10 minutes, let’s figure out how to do this today?

Patrick:

It’s not easy, Rick, because it’s a very complicated issue, as the climate as the earth is, it involves the oceans and the atmosphere and the forests and the farms and every other piece of this planets. So, you can’t just expect people to have all that in their heads when they’ve got other things to do. But the fact of the matter is, we are not in an unusual climate at the moment. This is called the Holocene interglacial period, there have been many of them since the Ice Age began.

It is Actually Colder Now

Most people don’t realize, you know, everybody is saying, it’s too hot, but it’s actually colder now in general during this period than it has been since the last glaciation, so, we have no idea what the future climate of the earth is going to be. And the idea that a miniscule amount of carbon dioxide is going to change that and turn it into a hothouse is completely crazy. This earth has had way higher levels of CO2 in the past when life flourished and was even greener than today, the Poles were green, they weren’t covered in ice, and the only reason they’re covered in ice is because we’re in an Ice Age. So, people have to get this in perspective.

In historical terms, during this era, CO2 is lower than it has been in the history of the earth. It went down to 180 parts per million, that’s point 0.18% during the last major glaciation and has been going down to those levels during the last quite a few glaciations and then it comes up again, coming into the interglacial period because the oceans warm and give off CO2. The oceans have 50 times as much carbon dioxide in them as the air does. So, a little change in oceanic CO2 makes a big change in atmospheric CO2 relatively.

But even at 410, which we have managed to get it up to from 280 where it started at the beginning of the industrial era, it’s still very, very low compared to the historical norms of CO2 in the global atmosphere and especially it’s very low for plants. They would like to have 800, 1,000 1,200 ppm in order to have maximum growth which is why all commercial greenhouse operators find it worthwhile to buy bottled CO2 and put it into their greenhouse to get 20 to 60% more yield. And that’s what our CO2 is doing to the Earth’s vegetation right now, increasing the yield in agriculture and forestry and causing green plants to spread over a larger area of the earth than they were when CO2 was lower.

Rick:

So, with the very thing that the alarmist are saying the world is going to end in 10 years, over 20 years, or whatever the latest claim is, the very thing they’re saying is so terrible, you’re saying has actually been a good thing and is producing better crops and more crops for us?

CO2

Patrick:

Yes, what people have to know is that carbon dioxide is the basis of all life. That’s where the carbon comes from, both on the land and in the sea, for all living things, it comes from CO2 in the atmosphere and dissolved in the ocean. And that’s the way it’s been since the beginning of life. And life has gradually sucked a lot of the CO2 out of the atmosphere and put it in fossil fuels and also into carbonaceous rocks, which almost no one is ever heard of, but it’s called limestone. And that limestone is the remains of the shells of marine organisms that combined calcium and carbon dioxide to make calcium carbonate, which is what limestone is and it’s what we mix cement with too and that puts CO2 back in the atmosphere as well.

The key thing to remember is every fossil fuel we burn, used to be a tree or a plankton in the sea. And it took the CO2 out of the atmosphere and out of the ocean, we’re just putting it back where it came from. It’s not like we invented CO2. It was there in the first place, but it has gradually been drawn down to much lower levels than it was in the early history of the earth. And anybody can look this up on the internet these days. You don’t need an Encyclopedia Britannica anymore to wade through and try and find stuff. It’s just put in the right keywords and you will find out what I’m saying is all true.

Rick:

And you recommended David Simon’s six factual reasons. And one of the things he points out at the end of that is that, even if all of the legislation was passed, and you know, they had the micromanaging of the economy and I think, destruction of the economy in many ways, if all of that was done, even if we did everything they’re proposing, it would reduce global warming, he says, by a negligible 0.05 Celsius by 2050. And so, to put that in terms of layman like me that doesn’t understand all this stuff, does that basically mean it really wouldn’t make much of a difference?

Talking to Plants

Patrick:

Doesn’t make any difference as far as we’re concerned. Look at the difference in temperature just between Miami and New York City. And they’re saying that 1.5 degrees Celsius or approximately 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit is going to cause all the species to go extinct and we’re all going to die. It is so completely ridiculous, that anybody who believes it is a complete idiot. If they don’t do a little bit of research and figure out that if you don’t die if you move from New York to Miami, even though the average temperature goes up by considerably a lot more than that and if you go from Miami to the Brazilian jungle, it goes up by even more. So, and people are living in all these places. And matter of fact, the only people who are fleeing from the climate are fleeing from the cold countries to a nice, warm country further south to get away from their miserable winters. And that is the truth.

Like if it was the other way around, I could understand them believing it. If everybody was fleeing from Brazil to try to get to the Northwest Territories in Canada, you know, in the winter, then I’d say okay, well, maybe it wouldn’t be such a good idea if it got warmer. But the fact of the matter is, it would be a good idea if it got a little bit warmer and it’s definitely beneficial for CO2 to be increased in the atmosphere in order to encourage the growth of forests and plot and farm crops etc. Everything grows better.

You know, the thing about talking to your plants, people thought that was kind of silly that, oh sure, the plants can hear you and that will make them happy and grow better. No, you are breathing 40,000 parts per million of carbon dioxide on them when you are facing them and talking to them. That’s why plants like you talking to them, because you’re feeding them with your breath. Whereas plants use CO2 and produce oxygen, humans and all animals use oxygen and produce CO2. It’s a perfect cycle between plants and animals.

It All Starts with Plants

Animals would not be possible if it wasn’t for plants, because they take basic materials like carbon dioxide and water and make them into life. Or as animals don’t make the life, we have to eat life in order to make ourselves but the plants they come from, it’s just amazing. I mean, they come from just carbon dioxide, water and a bunch of minerals and they turn into life. So, they are the first miracle of life and then they made it possible for animals who can eat the plants and get the nutrition that they have produced, the sugars that they make through photosynthesis to give us our food.

And we should be celebrating the fact that we’re alive. We should not be worrying that we’re all going to die in 10 years. It’s so stupid. Of course, we are all going to die and I think this tendency to believe in doom and gloom and Apocalypse, the end times and all this is a projection of one’s own fear of death. And if you don’t fear death, like I don’t, I haven’t got the slightest fear of death. I know when my time comes, it comes and I’m happy with that because I got to live where other people are afraid. And if you’re afraid of your own death, you will try to project that onto the whole world as if the world ends when you die. You see that as being the way it is in people’s minds. And they’ve got to get out of that headspace and smarten up and be happy.

Rick:

Well, a couple of your books that we want to recommend today, Trees are the Answer goes deeper into what you were just discussing. And then Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist, another one and then your videos on PragerU and we’ll have a link today to all of those as well. And that’s really what it comes down to, is being economically rational and scientifically based as an environmentalist and you embody that greatly. We really appreciate you coming on today and sharing with us, Dr. Patrick Moore. Thanks for being on, let’s do it again.

Giving Tuesday

Patrick:

Thank you very much, Rick, I’d love to. I got a few more things to say.

Rick:

Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live, thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Dr. Patrick Moore for joining us as well. Back to David Barton and Jonathan Ritchie. And as we were on break, we’ve found that Jonathan is suffering from eco-anxiety.

Jonathan:

Is just I was afraid of thunderstorms when I was a kid and I just never grew up.

Eco-Anxiety

Rick:

No kidding. No, you were saying on the break. I mean, there’s like clinically calling this thing eco-anxiety.

Jonathan:

All the way. Recently, over 1,000 clinical psychologists signed, like an open letter, really highlighting this, you know, mental trauma saying that, you know, thousands of people all across the world have been suffering from, “acute trauma on a global scale in response to extreme weather events.” And I mean, like, we were doing some research just the other week that young people, Millennials aren’t getting married or having children anymore because they’re so afraid of the climate change. This big booty monster and so they’re projecting their own fears of the death of the world. Like just like what Dr. Moore was talking about this idea of projection. They’re just afraid of it so much that they’ve stopped doing anything that would seemingly affect negatively Mother Earth.

David:

Well, it’s interesting that you know, he had that perspective and he was coming at things different than we do. I mean, he’s a big-time evolutionist, we’re not. And I don’t know if he believes in theistic evolution of billion years kind of guy, you know, and there are people who believe God created it, just billions of years. But you know, I’m a young earther, we’re young earthers, he’s billions of years and so…

Jonathan:

I’m the youngest earther here.

Ask Gretta

David:

Yeah, of us, you’re. That’s right. So, for where he is and you know, at the end, he said, I’m not afraid of death. These people are taking their own fear of death and projecting it onto everybody else in the world. But I just couldn’t write down all the comments he was making that is so opposite of what people in his movement believe. I mean, he said, we’re not an unusual climate at the moment.

We’ll ask Gretta, what does she think about it? You know, I mean, how dare you say that? He said, we’re colder now in general than since the last glaciation. We have no idea what will happen in the future. He said, there’s only minuscule amounts of carbon dioxide. He says CO2 is lower today than it’s been in the history of the Earth. I mean, this is all opposite to what all these other guys are saying.

Jonathan:

Yeah, we need more CO2? Hold on. I’ve been told that we need to get rid of all the CO2.

David:

This was amazing. But see, he’s doing no science. This is the kind of guy, I love the fact that he appreciates truth. And when you get statistical, objective scientific truth and we’ve covered in other programs, that the science is very clear on this global warming stuff. As a matter of fact, nobody pays attention. But for the last five years, the scientific journals have been loudly warning about coming glaciation, that we’re entering into an Ice Age. You know, nobody told Gretta that and she goes to the UN and talked about how we’re going to burn the world up.

Jonathan:

Yeah, we’ve stolen her hopes and dreams.

David:

We’ve stolen her hopes. And what do you call that eco?

Earth’s Environment

Jonathan:

Eco-anxiety.

David:

Eco-anxiety and she’s projecting that on everybody. I mean, this was just so refreshing to have a guy who’s a scientist and he pointed, he know his stuff, I mean, he was just railing off machine gun. I mean, just boom, boom, boom. By the way, I had no clue that having more cement put CO2 back to the Earth’s environment.

Jonathan:

Yeah, I thought that cities were killing everything.

David:

Yeah, let’s build some more skyscrapers, some more highways. I mean…

Jonathan:

It’s like they get everything exactly backwards. And two, it’s like if they didn’t have double standards, they’d have no standards at all. Because right on the one hand, you get the Green new deal where we need to kill all the cows and then you get the Oscar, Jacqueline Phoenix or however you say, Phoenix, saying that, you know, cows are basically human. So, what do we do? What do we do? Are the cows putting too much CO2 or do we need to like protect their feelings? I’m totally confused on what do we do to protect the environment here. And it turns out we just build more skyscrapers.

David:

Yeah, that’s right.

Rick:

You’re supposed to do nothing, Jonathan, literally like nothing with your life. You’re supposed to go live in a hut somewhere and not affect the environment. That’s what you’re supposed to do.

Jonathan:

Boom! Already done.

“Anybody Who Believes it is an Idiot.”

David:

I love this analogy. And I just wrote down this quote, he said, climate change is so completely ridiculous that anybody who believes it is a complete idiot… But he made the point. And I hadn’t used this analogy, but I’ve been talking to young people about this. Alright, we’re talking over the last all this thing that’s been and by the way, anybody that doesn’t remember 1976, they had congressional hearings on what they said was the coming Ice Age.

And in 1976, Congress issued all these reports, “You need to stockpile food because everything is going to freeze, you won’t be able to grow foods, agriculture if going to shut down because everything is going to be a glacier.” That’s in 1976, they said eminent glaciation. So, here we are now, you know, less than 50 years later, we’re talking essentially 44 years later and what we’re saying is all going to burn up.

The temperature since 76 has only increased six-tenths of one degree. Now, tell me how we’re going to burn up with six-tenths. You can’t even…

Jonathan:

Those are rookie numbers.

David:

Exactly. You can’t even feel the difference. But I thought what he said, even if you say it’s 3.5 degrees, that’s like moving from Miami to New York. He said…

That Might Kill You

Jonathan:

Well, that might kill you.

David:

It does move in New York, but not the temperature. The gun control in New York may kill you because you can’t defend yourself. But I mean, that’s a perfect point. Even if it’s radical, even if it’s six times higher than what all the phobia is right now over six-tenths of a degree. So, what? I mean if you move from Brazilian rainforest to, you know, the Northwest Territory, it’s cold up there, but it didn’t kill you. And so, all the fear over this, I thought he had such a good point in addressing the fear.

Jonathan:

Absolutely. Absolutely. I feel like right, the Bible, if you know the truth, the truth will set you free. How much happier would people be if they actually knew that there was nothing to worry about? Obviously, we need to be good stewards of what God has given us, but we’re not anywhere close to blowing up the world because of cows.

Rick:

You haven’t been hanging out with Joaquin Phoenix enough, you would set a straight on that. No, I mean, you guys are exactly right. There’s a difference in the way you live your life based on your worldview, your theology, you know, even just again, being open to truth and actually getting truth from a scientist like this. So Special thanks to Dr. Patrick Moore for joining us today here on WallBuilders Live.

Climate Change – With Dr. Patrick Moore

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