Can a Coach Pray with His Players?  Coach John Small, Football Games, Prayer Movement and Seeing How God is Working in the Midst of Attacks on Our First Amendment Rights:  The WallBuilders team interviews Coach John Small regarding his recent pressure from the Freedom From Religion Foundation over his participation in the students praying before their football games. The WallBuilders team also discusses how this ties into our First Amendment rights and why we can have hope for the future.

Air Date: 11/29/2017


Guests: Coach John Small, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture.  This is WallBuilders Live! Where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, all of it from a Biblical, historical, and Constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and the founder of WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker, pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green.  I’m a former Texas state legislator, national speaker, and author.

You can find out more at our websites – there’s two of them – WallBuildersLive.com, that’s our radio site where you can get archives of the program and find the different stations across the country we’re on. And then on WallBuilders.com, you can get all kinds of great tools and just wonderful education for yourself and your family. It will equip you, it will inspire you, go check it out – WallBuilders.com – and a great place to go for your Christmas shopping as well.

We’re here with David and Tim. Later in the program, Coach John Small will be with us to talk about what’s happening there in his town with his football team. But guys, obviously faith and the culture has been almost a collision course when it comes to these groups like Freedom From Religion and others literally wanting to stop faith from being exhibited in the culture in the public square.

A Collision Course

David:

Oh, Rick, I wouldn’t say it’s almost a collision course.  I’d say it’s dead certain that it’s a collision course.  You’ve got these guys trolling all over America for any sign of religious expression in any way, shape, fashion, or form that even is suggested it appears and they go after it. You’ve got carbon monoxide detectors.  These guys are better than any of those detectors.

They can sense something that they consider to be poisonous.  Which is religion from way away.  They have a great intelligence source, they find these rural towns.  They find really obscure places, and somehow are able to find monuments that nobody’s essentially visited in 70 years.  And they can find a Bible verse on it. And it’s just amazing how they are just phobic over this kind of stuff.

They don’t even consider it a right to free speech.  You don’t have a right to free speech if it’s religious.  It is absolutely amazing the vehemency with which they go at this and the fervor with which they go at it. I mean these guys are real Crusaders in the negative sense of the word.  They go after this with all their fervor.  

You just mentioned Coach John Small.  We’re going to talk about with him a little bit.  But they saw something that suggested that an adult was around kids and that prayer was being offered. And you know there’s probably nothing else in America to which they would object.

Objecting To Prayer Around Kids

You know if the coach had been showing pictures of porn to all the kids, they wouldn’t have raised an issue about that. If they had been promoting anything else, or even engaging in racism, racial jokes, you don’t find him talking about that. But you let an adult like this coach John Small we’re going to interview shortly – you let him get with impressionable high school kids at religion have a part of that, that has to be shut down.  It’s just unbelievable the fervor with which they go at it stomping religion out of the public square.

Rick:

And you’re right. They literally look for it anywhere in the country where they can go.  It’s not necessarily their community.  So it’s not this whole idea of, “I’m offended about something that happens in my community.”  It’s not their community where it’s happening.  

They’re going to small towns all over the country and filing these suits. Now they usually lose.  That’s the thing. They don’t even usually win unless they can cower and cause intimidation. But typically if we get it into the court system, they can usually be defeated.

David:

Well, and that is the problem and that is how they do win is they win usually by capitulation – not by contest. It is the verse that I always use to point out to folks the Bible says, “Satan goes about as a roaring lion.”  He is not a lion.  He just is “as one.”  

There was a book done long ago called The Mouse That Roared.  It essentially was a little bitty nation that made a lot of noise and scared all the big nations.  Didn’t have anything, but they were convinced it did.  So they backed off like it did. That’s what happens with these guys is if you give them a consent agreement, which is a legal agreement, that says, “Okay we’ll stop this if you won’t sue us.”

Well, let them sue you.  You’re going to win.  So let them.  But they don’t understand that. The only wins that these anti-religious groups essentially get are those by capitulation. It’s not that they go into court and win their anti-religious position in court.  Its that they threaten to go into court and some school, or some city council, or some group, says, “Oh we don’t want to go to court.  So we’ll sign a consent agreement with you that says we’ll never do this again.”

And then those anti-religious groups take that consent agreement around and say, “See, we just won a case over here in Georgia, or Texas, or wherever.  You need to stop it too.”

And if people stand up they are the mouse that roared. They are as a roaring lion.  They’re not a lion.  They just make a lot of noise. They’ve got a loudspeaker that works really well.  But they just don’t have much legal ground to stand on.

Rick:

Alright, when we come back from the break we’re going to have Coach John Small with us.  Guys, this guy is — he wasn’t actually leading the prayers at his school he was participating with the students.

Coach John Small Participated In Prayer With Students

David:

No, but, Rick, you missed the point.  There was a picture of him and it looked like he was leading the prayers.

Rick:

Oh, my. His head was bowed?

David:

His head was bowed and it looked like he was.  It really doesn’t matter legally whether he did it or not it looked like he did it.

Tim:

Well, and guys, we know that football coaches aren’t allowed to pray.

David:

Yeah, that’s right.

Tim:

Whether students are there or not, if you’re a football coach you can’t have a faith life.

David:

That’s right.

Tim:

Just because you’re a Christian.  

David:

Just ask Coach Kennedy.

Sign Over First Amendment Rights To Be A Coach

Rick:

I think you actually sign something, right? You sign over your First Amendment rights in order to be a coach, right?  I will never be able to express my faith.  I’m not going to be able speak out. I almost think that they had to do that.

Tim:

Well, that certainly is where things are going now.  Then what we’re going to see with Coach Small where he was literally — he’s been told he’s not allowed to pray.  He can’t bow his head. Now forget pray, I said, pray.”  No, no, no — he can’t even bow his head anymore because arguably he didn’t even say anything the last time he bowed his head. The students are doing the praying.  He’s just there, he bows his head.  He’s told, “Wait a second.  No, no, no.  You’re not allowed to bow your head.  That’s unconstitutional.  You’re a coach.  Coaches can’t bow their heads.”

David:

It’s unconstitutional for you to show respect when somebody else exercises their religion?  That’s essentially what’s happened.  The kids are exercising their constitutional right and he’s now told that he cannot show respect for that.  If you can imagine how absurd that is that you can’t show respect for someone else’s religious right.  It’s crazy stuff. But bless his heart, he has a backbone of steel.  He is really good.  And he’s going to be a fun guy to talk to.

Rick:

Coach John Small, our guest. Stay with us.  You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

A Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Too often today history education excludes great black heroes from the American founding. Such as Lemuel Haynes.

Haynes, though abandoned as a baby, pioneer churches across upper New England. He became the first black American to pastor a white congregation, to receive an honorary master’s degree, and to be ordained by a mainstream Christian denomination, The Congregationalist.

He was a soldier during the American Revolution and in his churches on George Washington’s birthday, he regularly preached sermons honoring George Washington. Even late in his life he expressed his willingness to go back to battle if necessary to protect America, which he called, “a sacred ark.”

American history is filled with numerous examples of black heroes who are largely ignored by mainstream education today. For more information about Pastor Lemuel Haynes and other colonial Patriots go to WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live.  Thanks for staying with us today. We got Coach John Small with us who’s now a target of the Freedom From Religion Foundation for praying with his football team. He’s coaching now at East Coweta County High School. Coach, thank you for your time. Appreciate you coming on today.

Coach John Small:

Thanks for having me.

Rick:

Hey, first just for context for our national audience out there, where in Georgia are you guys?

Coach John Small:

We’re south of Atlanta.

Rick:

Okay.

Coach John Small:

Near the *Newton area, Sharpsburg, Georgia.

Rick:

Gotcha, gotcha. Alright, you’ve been on Fox and a few other programs because of Freedom From Religion coming after you guys. It’s a Wisconsin organization that, I’m guessing their members don’t actually live in your town. Usually, that’s the case.  They just kind of come in and find somebody to issue a complaint.  And their complaint is that you’re what – participating in the prayers?  The students are leading them not you, right?

Coach Small Couldn’t Even Bow His Head

Coach John Small:

That’s correct. Our students are leading them.  We’re there with them supporting them.  So I think they thought that I was leading a prayer in a circle, my head bowed.  It’s nothing that I mean other programs in America do.  Why we got selected I don’t know. But–

Rick:

Yeah.

Coach John Small:

God has a reason for everything.

Rick:

No doubt, no doubt. And you know all Supreme Court justice opinions, and religious tests, and all that stuff aside,  just from a commonsense point of view, what would be the objection to a coach coming alongside his players and being willing to bow his head and join in prayer for the safety of the team and whatever else you guys were praying for?

Coach John Small:

Yeah, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. But you know they, whatever their agenda is, it is. I’m a firm believer what the enemy means for harm God turns to good for His people.

Rick:

Yeah.

Coach John Small:

You know, take out all the politics of it and all that.  I believe, and a lot of people believe until we have a heart change in America nothing’s going to change. We can talk about policies and all these things all day, but until our hearts change and we turn back to God in this country, nothing’s going to change.

Rick:

Yeah, yeah. Tell me about what your students have had to say about this whole thing.  Do they want their coach there with them praying?

Coach John Small:

Yeah, they do.  And they understand that the battle we’re in right now is not a flesh and blood battle.  It’s a spiritual war. And they understand the power of prayer.  

Rick:

Yeah.

Coach John Small:

And they take it upon themselves when they found out what was going on they said, “Okay, we’re going to step up our leadership and you all are teaching us about leadership.  And we’re going to step up our leadership.” It was really awesome at our last ballgame.  Our kids came together with the students and said, “Coach, before the game we want to join our students in the stands on the track and say a prayer before we play.”  Instead of it being 100 players, it turned into you know 100 players and 400-500 students.

Rick:

Wow.

God Will Turn The Adversity To Good

Coach John Small:

Which was really awesome.  But very proud of the way they’ve handled some adversity and have risen above.

Rick:

Yeah, coach, I’m looking at a picture right now of that prayer.  At a time in our country where there’s so much divisiveness and racial problems, and all of those things, I’m looking at this picture and you’ve got blacks and whites together, bowing their heads, arms around each other.  It’s a beautiful, beautiful thing.  It’s a gift. And I just can’t help but think that it’s a great thing for your community, and frankly, for our country at this time.

Coach John Small:

Oh it’s been awesome for our community to see our young people step up and I think our young people are being called to be the generation that rises up.

Rick:

Yeah.

The Generation That Rises Up

Coach John Small:

You know, we have — too many of us adults have been spineless in certain areas.  And God’s calling on this generation. Without God’s saving grace in my life, I wouldn’t be in the position that I’m in because I’m the least of these and not deserving of anything.  But because of His love and mercy, we’re able to be where we are. And, you know, hopefully, our kids joining together and understanding the power of prayer will make people realize that there is a higher power and His name is Jesus Christ.

Rick:

Amen, amen. What a wonderful opportunity to be able to share those truths.  Your heart is obviously in the right place, and it’s just great to see you lead. Great to see your students lead. I think you’re 100 percent right, man.  This generation coming up, they’ve got the backbone maybe our generation should have had and missed. And, you know, God’s doing something really cool with a remnant there that we see happening with your students.

Coach John Small:

Yes.

Rick:

We’ve got a lot of friends at wonderful legal organizations that have come alongside guys like you in this situation.  Have you guys already got that?  ave you got one of the good teams out there?

Coach John Small:

We do and, you know, I don’t think we’re doing anything that we shouldn’t be doing.

Rick:

Yeah.

Coach John Small:

We’ve had the support of our county and I’m not speaking on behalf of our county at all. I just know that they’ve supported us and made us aware of what was going on.  So that’s all I know.

Rick:

Yeah, okay.  Well, that’s great. Well if you need any help, if you guys need any of — these organizations are, I’m talking, 98-99 percent win ratios.  They’re good Christian men and women that are attorneys that really defend our religious liberties.  We’d be glad to put you in contact with them if you need them.

It sounds like you may already be set.  I just think what a wonderful witness you guys are being right now. And thank you for being willing to stand, first of all, just thank you for being willing to pray with your students and set an example of a godly man.  Those young men need that. I think what we’re seeing in their leadership is probably because of you and other fathers and examples in that community that have stood up in other situations.

Coach John Small:

Yeah, I appreciate that. Appreciate that encouragement.

Rick:

Before I let you go what can our listeners do in their prayers for you and for the school as you’re coming under attack in this way?  How would you like us to be praying for you?

Coach John Small:

Just continue to give us wisdom, and give us boldness, and courage, and, you know, just a hedge of protection placed around us.  Because we know that the enemy comes like a thief in the night. But we know at the end of the day we’re going to have an abundant life from it.  We’re going to be blessed for it. People are going to see Jesus through this, we hope, and not for any of our own doing – because we do not deserve anything we have.  We just want to be a vessel for Him and be used in any way that we can.

Rick:

Amen, amen, good stuff. Coach, appreciate you, man.  Appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for your leadership in that community and tell your players there are millions of folks around the country that are standing with you all, and praying for you, and support you, and willing to help any way we can.

Coach John Small:

I will. Thank you so much.

Rick:

You bet. God bless you.

Coach John Small:

God bless you, too.

Rick:

We’ll be right back. Stay with us.  We’ve got David and Tim Barton when we return right here on WallBuilders Live.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip

Tim:

Hi, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders and I want to encourage all the pastors out there with a unique opportunity that we’re presenting it WallBuilders. We’re doing a special tour just for pastors that you can come and learn more about the spiritual heritage of our nation. Not just seeing the sights but understanding the significance of what they are and what they represent.

We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at www.WallBuilders.com. And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor’s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

Rick:

We’re back, thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Back with David and Tim Barton now. Special thanks to coach John Small for joining us today. And, guys, what an interview, man.  I was so impressed with his humility, how articulate he was on the issues,  all those.  He’s not a professional speaker/interviewee person here.  He’s a football coach. But his love of the Lord was obvious, and his knowledge of the scripture was obvious, and his backbone was fantastic.

Tim:

Well, and I feel like having that deep voice it’s just appropriate that he’s a coach. In fact, he was pretty good on the radio with that deep voice too. So it was fun listening to that interview as you’re talking to him. But, Rick, as you mentioned, he did have an incredible knowledge of the Scriptures and certainly had a good understanding spiritually of what was going on.

First Amendment

David:

He had a good understanding especially. But I want to back up to something else.  Alright, we talk around here about the fact that the First Amendment actually has five guaranteed God-given inalienable rights in it. And we have also talked about the fact that polling shows only 1 in 1000 Americans can name the five rights. So everybody listening, let’s say it in unison.  What are the five rights?

Tim:

And by the way, let me point out if you removed the Green and the Barton families, those statistics might go down a little bit. So with Rick having a large family and all his kids having to know, and he brings them up on stage and they’ll participate in his events.  Yes, so we might skew those numbers just a little bit. But anyway–

Rick:

Which is a good thing.

Tim:

As you were pointing out.

David:

You’ve got religion.  You’ve got speech, you’ve got press, you’ve got assembly and petition – you’ve got all these five rights there.

Rick:

It’s almost like we’re exercising all five right now on our show.

David:

Well, we are.  But see this is what’s interesting about the way the courts do it.

Tim:

Although, I don’t know who we are petitioning right now as far as Congress.  The people we’re saying, “Hey you guys, get involved.”

Rick:

Yeah, true.

Tim:

So maybe that one unless we have congressmen listening, and we do sometimes.  Hey, Barry. Anyway, for those others that are listening as well.  Anyway, go ahead.

David:

You take that and it’s like the courts are saying, “Well, you can’t exercise these rights at the same time.  They have to be separate from each other.” So you can have the right of free speech, but you can’t associate the right of free speech with religious expression. That is, if your free speech is religious, then it’s not constitutionally protected.

Tim:

Well, and let me point out, I don’t even argue this is an association deal.  Right?   Because they’re saying that, no, no, no, you can bow your head, just not while you are there with the students.

David

Here’s the next question I would ask them.  Because you’ve hit the next point exactly on is, in the Constitution, where does it make distinctions of rights based on your age? Do you lose the right of free speech until you’re over 18?

Tim:

The only thing age-related in the Constitution is how old you have to be to get elected.

Rick:

Right. That’s what I was thinking that’s the only place you would restrict.

David:

And vote.

Rick:

Sure.

David:

How old do you have to be to participate in the political process? But when it comes to inalienable rights, are you limited to your free speech? No. We have cases all the time where kids win on free speech.

Kids Don’t Get Free Speech?

Tim:

Although there are some schools now saying that you don’t have free speech rights if you are a student because you’re not old enough, mature enough, to deserve those.  You don’t have — They’re not inherent. Now the schools have laws, but there are some people taking that perspective.

David:

They take that perspective.  But I think of what we got going here. We’re saying, “Oh, you’re older than they are.  So their rights are violated, but your rights, although the Constitution gives no age distinction on inalienable rights, we’re going to create an artificial one.  And since you’re an adult…”

So the courts consider that to be coercive. That is he’s an adult authority figure and these are kids and if something religious is said or done, he’s cramming religion down their throats.  They don’t have any choice over it it’s being forced on them.

Tim:

Even if he’s not the one leading it.

David:

That’s the point.

Tim:

If he just shows up to participate, he’s coercing them somehow in the choice they’ve already made that he’s elected to go participate in.  But he’s making them do what they’ve already chosen to do,

David:

And it’s coercion only if it involves traditional religious expression.  Because it’s not coercion if an adult authority figure crams progressivism down your throat, or secularism, or evolution, down your throat.  That’s okay. We just can’t have you cramming respect.  And he’s not even cramming respect.

Tim:

Well, yeah.  So even the way we define cramming that down their throats.

David:

It’s the way the court defines it.

Tim:

You could participate in anything else if it wasn’t Christianity.

David

That’s right.

Tim:

And it wouldn’t be considered coercive in this sense, but because this was religious, well, you can’t be there if they’re being religious because we really don’t even want them to do it. But if you show up, it’s really bad.  So you can’t even just show up.

 

Rick:

Hey guys, got to take a quick break.  I’m sorry.  I’m going to interrupt you just for a second. We’ll be right back.

Stay with us, folks.  More on Coach John Small and how this affects your community as well. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Biographical Sketches

Hi friends! This is Tim Barton of WallBuilders.This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. I know, oftentimes as parents, we’re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

If you remember back in the Bible, the Book of Hebrews it has the Faith Hall of Fame, where they outlined the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.

I wanted to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called, “The Courageous Leaders Collection” and this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers.

There’s a second collection called, “Heroes of History” in this collection you read about people like Benjamin Franklin, Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman, the list goes on and on.

This is a great collection for your young person to have and read. And it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at WallBuilders.com.

Moments From America’s History

This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. Today, numerous court decisions demonstrate that there’s often a conflict between the courts, the law, and religion. Has this conflict always existed?

Not according to James Wilson.  James Wilson was a signer of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. He was a law professor as well as an original justice on the U.S. Supreme Court. James Wilson saw no conflict between religion and the law. In fact, just the contrary.

He declared, “Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine. Far from being rivals or enemies religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistance.  Indeed, these two sciences run into each other.”

In the views of Founding Father James Wilson religion and good civil law were inseparable. For more information on God’s hand in American history contact WallBuilders at 1-800-8-REBUILD.

Rick:

Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live. Final segment today. Back to David and Tim about Coach.  Well, sorry for interrupting you guys, go ahead.

David:

The other thing I thought was so cool was how the students themselves doubled down when they got threatened with this.  “You’re going to pull our coach out of this.  Great, we’ll go get 300, 400, other kids to join us in this.”

And I’m loving that.  That’s one of the things that gives me such terrific hope for the future of America is that we see the polling that says millennials don’t believe there’s any absolute truth.  And four out of five believe there’s no truth. That may be true, but I’ve also found it’s very, very, easy for them to believe in absolute truth once you make the right presentation of it.

Tim:

Well, and I would even say that so much of that is based on labeling and based on a definition of terms.

David:

Right.

Tim:

Right, and so young people are taught to embrace things that they are given.  So they will use the vocabulary they’ve been taught to use.  But the vocabulary they’ve been taught to use does not always reflect their position in their life. Such as absolute truth where you have 80 percent of millennials, and now even this Gen Z, this younger generation in high school now, that they’re the ones that largely, “Oh, no, no, no, so you can’t embrace absolute truth because it’s up to every individual to decide for themselves, right?”

Well, what’s right for you might not be right for me.  And what’s true for you is not true for me.  They’re taught, therefore, there are no absolutes.  But if we talked about that one of the mass shootings that recently happened.  I we said, “Hey, so the shooter in Las Vegas.  Or you look at the shooter down in South Texas.  When you look at what they did.  If we ask the question ,’Do you think what the shooter did was wrong?’” Every millennial, every Gen-Z-er would go, “Oh absolutely, it was absolutely wrong.”

Absolutes

Well, then you would say, “Oh, so you do believe in absolutes.”

“Oh, well I guess I do.”

See, it’s not that they don’t believe in absolutes.  It’s that they’ve been taught that absolutes don’t exist.  Therefore, you can’t believe in something that doesn’t exist.

But once they realize, “Oh, no, that does exist.”  Then they have a very different position on what is absolute.

David:

And I think if you asked the football team, “Is it absolutely okay if you pray?”  They’re going to say, “Absolutely, yes.” Is it absolutely wrong that your coach can’t pray with you? They’re going to say, “Yes, it’s wrong.”  

For them this is an easy thing.  And that’s why I love what there is they have.  As you said, they’ve bought the kind of mantra of what they’ve been taught. But that’s not really the way it practices and works out for them and it’s really good.

Tim:

And this is one of the things in the midst of us looking at Coach Small and saying, “Hey, we want to pray for him for what’s going on.”

David:

Yeah.

Tim:

For this court battle in front of him that God would continue to encourage him and strengthen him because it —  Rick, as he was talking to you, I’m thinking this sounds like a strong dude. It sounds almost like kind of this John Wayne persona with his deep voice.

David

We have 344,000 pastors in America.  What if they started sounding like Coach John Small?

Tim:

Well, if their voice sounded like that, I would listen to them a lot more.

David:

But if they had that kind of backbone we would have a different nation.

Tim:

We would.  And this is where even, I have hope not just because we have coaches standing up, but I have hope looking at the next generation.

David:

Yeah.

Tim:

That they can get beyond some of this nonsense rhetoric that they are taught.  Because when they’re put in some of these tough situations they’re choosing the right thing. It’s just we don’t hear enough of these stories of them choosing the right thing.  

Where this coach is, “No, I’m not backing down.  Look, I know God’s in control. God’s going to take care of me.  I’m not worried about it.  I’m going to keep doing the right thing.”

Coach John Small’s Students Bringing Hope For The Future

You have some incredible people out there.  We just don’t hear enough of these people and their stories. But even with these young people that have rallied now and they’re continuing to pray even though their coach can’t join them.  In fact, it has probably even grown their prayer movement before these football games.

But we’re seeing things.  Even though we’re having fights, we’re seeing things fighting in the right direction.  Students going the right direction. This is encouraging in the midst of the battle.

Rick:

Good all the way around, in fact. It’s encouraging to have a coach like this, the students like that, everything you said.  This could almost be a Good News Friday.  We’re going to have to bring this up again this Friday and talk about it when we do our Good News Friday.

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