College Is Not A Daycare, The Truths About Coddling Colleges: What has happened to the American spirit?  We’ve gone from “Give me liberty, or give me death!” to “Take care of me, please.” Our colleges were once bastions of free speech; now they’re bastions of speech codes. Our culture once rewarded independence; now it rewards victimhood. Tune in now to hear more about Dr. Piper’s new book, Not a Day Care: The Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth.

Air Date: 08/21/2017

Guests: Everett Piper, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture


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Later in the program, we’re going to have Dr. Everett Piper with us from Oklahoma Wesleyan University.

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David, Tim, Dr. Piper is a frequent guest on our program. He’s got a new book out. It’s actually doing incredibly well on Amazon right now and it’s a great wakeup call not just for universities like the world he’s in but for parents thinking about where they’re going to send their kids for university. It”€™s called, Not a Daycare .

A Hunger For Truth


That’s really good! It’s reflective of who he is. He just does not pull punches when he talks. He cuts right to the chase and he doesn’t really care if it was politically correct or not, he’s more into truth than he is in the political correctness.

So the book is a reflection of that. It goes back to an article he did some time back that really addressed what colleges and universities should be doing. And it just took off and went viral showing that there was a real hunger for what he was saying.

He was contacted by publishers and lo and behold here’s the book out. It is doing really well. But that’s a great message to the fact that people really want this kind of content. Rick, as you said, this is for all parents, and by the way, for grandparents as well. At this point in time in American history, if you’re sending your kids off to college, with most colleges right now you’re sending them off to give away their faith, give away their patriotism, and give away most of what they have.

Unless you have done an exceptional, I don”€™t mean just an average, unless you’ve done an overly exceptional job of preparing your kids for college, you’re going to find that they’re going to come back to you very different from the way sent them. And that would not have been what we would have said in previous generations.

Even the last five years the direction academia has turned has been so virulently to the left, so hyper progressive there’s a whole different world than what it was even five years ago.


And it’s not even just about the values, it’s obviously most important, but it’s money too. I mean, we’re spending, our families are going into debt, individuals are going into debt and starting their life in debt after going to a college where you basically paid these people to take away your values. Parents, we’ve paid these people to take away our kids’ values and then caused them to be against everything that we raised them to be for.

And frankly to set them up for failure because this coddling and this whole snowflake thing makes it very difficult for our kids then to go out and compete in the real world.

This Generation Is Missing The Whole Point Of College


The snowflake idea does not allow you to be competitive in a job market that doesn’t care about your emotions and feelings, it cares about your behavior and your performance.

If you even back up to earlier this year, Harvard came out with a study where they identified that for students graduating from universities, I think is the 93 percent, when they graduate from universities from colleges they have not increased their critical thinking or their higher learning skills from when they entered.

So all the things that we are, in theory, especially from these major liberal universities. This theoretical education they are getting, nothing is improving their critical thinking and their higher learning, at least 93 percent of them, are not improving their critical thinking and higher learning skills. Which is really kind of the point of going to college. If you’re going to go to college and you don’t leave a better thinker than you”€™ve really miss the whole point of college.

When in college you’re being coddled, and you’re being babied, and dumbed down, in the midst of this liberal progressive agenda, then really it’s not a beneficial thing. Which ultimately is what we’re seeing with so many students that are graduating with degrees. Most of them are not finding jobs in whatever degree field they’re looking in, either because they’re being trained in ridiculous degree fields of women’s studies, or homosexual history, things that I look at and go, “€œThat doesn’t make any sense at all. What are you going to do with that degree program?”€ Most of them can’t find a job with some of these degree programs.

Or it’s because when they get out with that degree program they’ve been so ill prepared in that field that they’re really still not qualified to enter the job market in that field.


But they have been thoroughly trained, just in the wrong things. I was thinking recently of even some of the new phrases that have come into existence in the last four to five years as a result of what’s being taught in colleges and universities.

You guys can help me with these, snowflake, micro aggressions, trigger warnings, and safe zones.  What else goes in that new vocabulary? But tell me how you any of that helps you succeed in life? How is that going to help you succeed in the business market or any competitive thing? How is any of that going to help you anywhere outside those campuses where you go to learn to give your brains away.


I guess it depends on what you mean by those words because if you’re going to go into skiing-


Snowflake would be good.


Trigger words, we all love guns, and shooting, and training.


Military, micro aggression, trigger words, that”€™s good.


But I don’t think that’s what they mean. I’m wondering, the people that made this article so popular when Dr. Piper first wrote it and put it out there, it’s not just those that are involved on college campuses or those who are parents that are concerned about this, you know, Tim, what you’re talking about makes me think it’s a lot of the business people that are tired of seeing what’s coming out of the colleges and how ill prepared these students are.  And they are saying, “€œYes, please. More university professors, do what this guy is doing and say that it is not a daycare.”€

Let’s actually have him tell us about it, Doctor Everett Piper is going to be with us when we come back from the break. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton with another moment from American history. As the American War for Independence began, the president of Yale was the Reverend Naphtali Daggett. When New Haven, the home of Yale, came under attack about a hundred citizens rushed out to meet the British.

The Reverend Daggett galloped by them on horseback, his clearable robes flowing behind him in the wind. He took up a solitary position atop a hill. The 2,500 British soon put the townsfolk to flight but the Reverend Daggett continued to stand alone firing down on the advancing troops.

A British officer confronted him, “€œWhat are you doing there you old fool? If I let you go, will you ever fire again on the troops of his majesty?”€ Nothing more likely was the preacher’s reply. America’s early pastors personally confronted danger and courageously led their communities.

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This University Is Not Your Daycare


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live! Thanks for staying with us! Today our good friend, Dr. Everett Piper, from Oklahoma Wesleyan University. Always good to have you, sir! Thanks for your time!

Dr. Piper:

As always, I’m honored. Thank you for having me.


I”€™m really excited to see your new book, Not a Daycare, the Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth, doing so well on Amazon and across the country. You’ve got to be excited about this, people who are actually hungry for truth!

Dr. Piper:

It has been a good week. As you know, I started out a week ago on the Glenn Beck show, I had actually five different programs there with Dana Loesch, Glenn Beck, and Doc Thompson and the crew. Then I headed off to the 700 Club and CBN with Pat Robertson and a few other the folks up there. Then I spent a couple of days in New York City with Fox and Friends and Fox News.

When it was all said and done today the book has ranked number one in two different categories. It actually hit number 29 on the top five hundred new books. So it’s been a good week, I’m blessed.


This started, I guess what was it, two or three years ago when you wrote the article about it. Was a year ago? How long ago was that?

Dr. Piper:

Two years ago, you’re right.


Two years ago, and it just went viral. Which means you tapped into something, people are tired of this coddling and Snowflake business. They are tired of our universities actually propagating that and making it worse.

Dr. Piper:

You’re absolutely right. I’ve been asked, “€œWhat happened?”€ And I said, “€œWell, apparently I said something pretty simple, I don’t consider it all that scholarly or all that deep. But I said something that people were waiting to hear.”€

Essentially the message of the book is this, I’m not going to comfort you, I don’t care whether you feel safe, I’m not going to coddle you here at this university or elsewhere. People don’t grow, I never have unless I was confronted unless and I was challenged.

So. we’re going to challenge your character, we’re going to confront you, we’re going to actually expect you to grow up and mature as a result of being in this university. We’re not going to sit around and give you a safe space where you can just feel comfortable in your sin. This is the university, it’s not a daycare. The world is not a daycare.

It’s time for you to realize the old axiom in athletics where there is no pain there is no gain. What Scripture tells us is that the Lord disciplines those he loves and that iron sharpens iron. It’s time to recognize that strong ideas, right ideas, true ideas are the context for growing up and getting more liberty and freedom in your life rather than less.


Daycare is the perfect analogy, Dr. Piper. That is kind of how our universities are treating what should be adults, leaders, the toughest, the ones that want to engage in debate and marketplace of ideas, treating them like toddlers. They’re treating them literally like a daycare.

Leaving College Worse Than They Came In

Dr. Piper:

I cover multiple stories in the book where there are actual counseling centers on various campuses today that provide coloring books, and bubbles, and Play-Doh, and videos of frolicking puppies, to make their students feel comfortable during exam week. Or if there happens to be, oh heaven forbid, a conservative speaker on their campus that actually challenges the left wing orthodoxy. “€œOh, well, come over here. We’ll take care of you because you’ve been victimized with a micro aggression.”€ This is nonsense.

This is literal nonsense and as I said on your program before, it’s ideological fascism, it is not academic freedom. It basically says, “€œYou must agree with us, you must submit, you must think like we think, and do what we do, and acknowledge everything that we think is right, and just, and true. Even though we don’t believe anything is right, and just, and true, you must comply or we will expel you. We will silence you. We don’t want anybody to disagree with us.”€ What kind of education is that?

The Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth


It creates all kinds of victims. The students themselves actually end up the worst off because they’re not prepared for real life. But also truth becomes a victim of this. We literally walk away from any concept of truth, we’re afraid to speak truth, and that’s really the main point of your book. What happens when you get rid of truth, what happens to the culture, not just what on the campuses but now what’s going to happen in the rest of the culture.

Dr. Piper:

Right. Again, the name of the book is Not a Daycare The subtitle is, “€œThe Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth.”€ The argument is this, when you get rid of truth you lose your freedom. If there is no truth you shall not be set free. Opinions and feelings always lead to bondage, and slavery, and bad community, bad kids, and bad culture, and bad corporations, bad country, and bad government.

Biblical facts, the truth with a capital T, is the context for freedom. As Chesterton told us when you build the fences of God’s revealed truth, you will have the ultimate measure of human freedom ever proven throughout the course of all of human history.


Dr. Piper, president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, our guest today. The new book, Not a Daycare, the Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth. Reading it myself right now, it”€™s fantastic. For more information have links today on or you can just go straight to Amazon. We’ll be right back, here on WallBuilders Live.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip


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If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor”€™s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

How Students Are Reacting To This Message


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live! Dr. Everett Piper is with us today. He”€™s got a new book, Not a Daycare, the Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth. Dr. Piper, as we were going to break you were talking about the fact that when you have God’s truth in your life you actually get more freedom.

That message is so desperately needed in our culture today. Tell me what it’s done to your campus. What is your environment there at Oklahoma Wesleyan? Has it caused all the kids to leave or are students saying, “€œWe’re hungry for this.”€ What are parents saying about these things?

Dr. Piper:

Well, our culture is waiting for somebody to just speak a little common sense. Our enrollment at Oklahoma Wesleyan has tripled over the last 15 years. And I’ve been asked why.  It”€™s because we don’t need to sell vanilla ice cream. If you want vanilla, go someplace else. Go to the University of Missouri.

If you want something that’s bold, and clear, and distinct, if you want the truth of Christ and the truth of Scripture, if you want people to tell you that it’s within that truth that you shall be set free, but if you want to actually be able to argue a point and have a good robust disagreement with truth judging the debate and not the politician, and not the pundit, not the professor, but truth, then come here.

If you want all that other inferior stuff, that vanilla ice cream if you will, there are thousands of other places to go get it. But Oklahoma Wesley actually believes in the primacy of Christ, the priority of Scripture, the pursuit of truth, and the practice of wisdom. Like, I said, enrollment has tripled as the result of us being that clear and that bold.


What do you see in the students themselves? The difference in their strength, and their confidence, and their ability to go out in the real world and produce, and be leaders. Once they are taught this way instead of the new nonsense on campuses.

Dr. Piper:

Corporations can trust them. You know you’re hiring somebody that believes in telling the truth. As opposed to somebody that went to, the let’s say the University of Michigan, where they actually have a course titled, “€œEthics and Corporate Management”€ where it says this in the course description, “€œWe do not teach that truthfulness and honesty are anything but subjective moral concepts.”€

In other words, there is no such thing as truthfulness and honesty when it’s within a course about ethics at the University of Michigan. What are they teaching? It’s no wonder that those kids are graduating and lying when they worked for Enron, and WorldCom, or whatnot. And then the company collapses because of dishonesty and deceit.

Wouldn’t you rather hire a kid from OKWU that will tell you the truth and do accurate accounting and not steal from you? Rather than somebody that believes the truthfulness and honesty are anything but a personal and moral construct?

What Is Being Taught Has Consequences


Dr. Piper, at first glance somebody reads or looks at the title they may think this is just a book about how things need to change on college campuses. I would suggest parents that have kids in high school that you’re starting to look at colleges, you need to read this book so you can make a good decision about where to send your kids.

And frankly, legislators need to be reading this book because of all the billions of dollars that our states are flooding into these universities that are embracing this nonsense instead of embracing truth.

There’s a lot of folks out there that can learn a lot from this that will impact some thousand dollar decisions they are going to make in the next few years. I hope they read it.

Dr. Piper:

Spot on. I would argue anybody that cares about what’s happening- here’s an action that I believe supports what you just said. What’s taught today in the classroom will be practiced tomorrow in our culture. So I don’t care whether you got a kid in college or not. What you see being taught in today’s classrooms is practice today in our culture. Turn on the nightly news and you see it. You see Charlottesville, UC Berkeley, you see either violence, and revenge, and victimization, and you see Vice.

It is bearing itself out in your courtrooms, in your culture, in your own living rooms, so you should care about what’s being taught. Because it does have consequences.


It’s available at Amazon today, Not a Daycare, the Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth. Also the audible version, I don’t know about you Dr. Piper, I get twice as many books in by reading some and listening to others. I’m glad you did a whisper sync audible on this as well.

Dr. Piper, appreciate you, man. Keep standing for truth! It’s making a huge difference, you’re having a great effect on the culture, and we’re glad to call you friend.

Dr. Piper:

Thank you. Honored to be on your program as always.


That”€™s Dr. Everett Piper, of Wesleyan University, stay with us. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Moment From American History

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What Makes A Church Successful


Welcome back, thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Back with David and Tim Barton now. Thanks to Dr. Everett Piper for joining us today and writing the article in the first place and now the book it’s doing so well.

Guys, we really talked about this at the beginning of the program, but it really does come down to the battle over truth. We’re right back to the moral relativism versus moral absolutes debate that we spend a lot of our time on this program talking about.


You can hear it from him, even what he is saying. He doesn’t have any trouble at all standing up for truth, knowing what it is, identifying it, it does exist, there are absolute truths, and those kids get taught that.

As a result in the last, what did he say, 15 years they have tripled in size. That’s not going on at most universities. But that’s also a message for the church today because the church today is running from truth, it”€™s not wanting to offend anyone, and not wanting to be hard and say hard things.

Guarantee you what happens everytime and we see it study after study, is the churches that will take a very firm stand, firmly address the issues, will definitely offend people. And in the first round they’ll chase a lot of people off that go to the church but they will attract much more than they chase off.

They end up having long term sustained growth from speaking truth even when it’s very hard. And even when it has hard applications. That’s what you’re seeing in that university. That should be a message to all of us. If you step out in this culture and you say the truth about sexuality, or gender, or anything else, you’re going to be attacked. And if you just go silent you’re not going to have any growth yourself. But if you’ll stand up and take a beating and keep standing for that you will find that your faith grows, your character who grows, everything about you grows. And that’s just the nature of what God’s given us, under resistance, you actually grow more.

Make Sure We”€™re Standing The Right Way


Let me throw out one caveat to that, because obviously, we would encourage people to stand as you’re saying. If you stand you’re going to have people come against you and that’s true.

But one of the things we to be strategic about is to make sure that when we stand we are standing the right way. We are standing to speak the truth, you speak it in love. And one of the reasons I say this is because right the left and right are divided on issues. Really we”€™re just name calling, we”€™re rock throwing, and each side says that they’re right.

Well, each side says they’re speaking the truth and nobody is doing it in love. So we have to be the kind of people to say that our basis for truth is not subjective, it’s not our feelings, it’s not our emotions, it’s not culture around us.

The objective standard of truth is the word of God. So I’m going to stand on the Word of God but I’m going to speak the truth in the midst of loving my neighbors myself, in the midst of doing unto others as I would have them doing to me, in that realm I’m going to speak the truth.

And when we speak the truth in love, then it carries a lot more weight with it because we’re not being hateful, at least you might still be perceived as being hateful. Because you say, “€œLook, marriage is one man and one woman.”€ “€œOh my gosh, you’re so hateful. How dare you say that?”€ Well, you might be perceived that way but if you’re communicating it in love, it’s not this aggressive combative personality that’s coming forward as you’re speaking the truth. It does have the ability to go a lot further.

That’s one of things I love about Everett Piper is that Dr. Piper, he is unapologetic and unequivocal about the truth. He does not back down from saying what it is. But in the midst of him saying it, you also get this very loving communication from him where he’s not trying to berate you or beat you over the head with truth.

He’s trying to explain, “€œThis is what truth is.”€ And this is the way that works which is definitely the approach we want to have. And this is the reason that Oklahoma Wesleyan has grown so much.

When you have a leader whose unapologetic about the truth but speaks the truth in love, which I actually remember the reason this article came out, when he wrote this article two years ago that has led now to this book. It was after he did a chapel service. The homily he gave was on first Corinthians 13, was on a loving.

He challenges students in the way they loved and the student came up and said, “€œHey, what you said didn’t make me feel good.”€œAnd he said, “€œWait a second, this wasn’t about making you feel good, that’s your conscience. It was challenging you, it was telling you you’ve not done a good job.”€

He was speaking truth about love, speaking it in a love, and it made people uncomfortable. Well, the truth will make people uncomfortable when it comes to Biblical standards of morality. But it doesn’t mean we don’t speak it. But we need to make sure we speak it in love.

Speaking Truth With Love


You keep using that phrase. Just so everybody knows, that’s not of your making. You’re quoting Ephesians 4:15 where the Bible says, “€œSpeak the truth in love.”€ There’s another idiom that we use on a regular basis that is Bible based. But you’re exactly right.

We’re making the assumption that when you speak the truth you’re not being ugly, and combative, and mean, and etc. But when you do that as a pastor, or as a university, or as an individual on your own social media, whatever that is, if you will speak the truth in love with the right kind of tone and character, you may get beat up over it, but if you stand firm you will grow out of it.


And let’s be clear, not speaking truth is not loving. If we say, “€œWell, I’m afraid that person might be “€˜offended.”€ Because of that conviction that Tim was just talking about, that Piper told that student about, if we’re afraid to speak truth because it’s going to cause conviction. Wow, we don’t love that person very much.

Just in church the other day, my son’s father in law was visiting and I’m sitting next to him at church and halfway through the sermon I leaned over and said to him, “€œThis guy is not preaching, he’s meddling. He’s hitting me right in the heart. I’m getting convicted, I think I’m going to leave, I’m offended.”€ He was making me realize there’s something in my life I need to work on here, I’m not doing a good job with this particular area.

Well, that’s what we want. That’s because that pastor loves me and wants me to be a better Christian and experience the true liberty in Christ. That’s love, speaking truth in the first place. I totally agree with what you guys are saying and we’ve got to speak it in the right way too. But man, people out there don’t be put in a position where you’re a coward because you’re not even willing to speak up. Learn to speak it in love. But make sure you are speaking truth.

Turning This Culture Around


Edmund Burke said, “€œThe only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”€ If we sit back and do nothing you we can”€™t expect culture to get better, right? The reason there is darkness in culture is darkness is the absence of light. And so if we want to see things change we have to start speaking the truth.

Which again, is why we so appreciate Dr. Piper. I would encourage everybody, “€œHey, go get this book. Get on Amazon, find this book, Not a Daycare. Download it on audible, whispersync, whatever it is. Get it on whatever versions easier for you to get it and then read this thing, communicate the truth, and then encourage your friends to get this and read it.”€ Because this is what we need in our culture to turn it around and make a difference.


It’s good stuff it’s good stuff. Always good when we have Dr. Everett Piper on and of course, the book as you mentioned, we”€™ll have links today at to make it easy.

But I also encourage parents, check out the university. When you’re looking for a university go find out if the president, like Doctor Everett Piper, is he or she speaking truth? Are they challenging the students? Are they creating safe spaces, and snowflake’s, and worried about trigger warnings, and all of those things? Do some homework.

We talk a lot about that there are not many campuses left like that, you’ve got to really do your homework to find them.


But it’s worth it for your kid because you’re dealing with the future and even eternity of your kids.


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