Colorado Sex Ed Bill Is Out Of Control And Around The Country: Join us today as we talk about how sex education has completely gone out of control in our schools across the nation – even in rural communities! This is something that parents need to be aware of and concerned about. Tune in now for more information!

Air Date: 03/18/2019

Guest: Kevin Lundberg

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton

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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

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Later in the program, our friend and former state senator from Colorado, Kevin Lundberg will be with us. Right now we’re with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Also with Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green. You can find out more about David, and Tim, and myself, all at WallBuildersLive.com, so go check that out.

Not Just High Schoolers Anymore!

Rick:

David, Tim, Senator Lundberg will be with us a little later in the program to talk about what’s happening in Colorado. But this is not new. It’s been happening across the country. Most parents don’t know it’s happening in their own backyard. And what I’m talking about happening is this incredibly off the charts never would’ve dreamed it 20 years ago type of sex education with not only high schoolers. This is getting down to little kids at 9 and 10 years old.

David:

Well, actually, they now have sex ed programs that go down into K 3. They’re some of the states that have moved into the K 3, K 4, K 5, all the way through high school. And it’s interesting that even in rural communities, and a lot of times people who live in suburbs or rural communities say, “€œWell, that doesn’t come to us. That”€™s just the big cities. That”€™s San Francisco, and Miami, and New York City.”€

And it actually turns out that probably the most popular sex ed course used in the rural communities is actually produced by Planned Parenthood. And most rural communities tend to be more pro-life than urban communities. Same with suburban communities.

So, it’s really interesting that a lot of the assumptions people make about where it’s safe to have certain kids in school, and where it’s not like that in my district, that’s no longer a safe assumption. It has gotten so bad that I have literally seen in the last two to three years sex ed become such an issue that when parents find out how graphic it is and actually see the content of what’s there that they’re actually getting politically active. And I don’t know that I can ever say I’ve seen that before this cause.

There”€™s a church in California with 10,000 members and they actually showed what was in the kindergarten sex ed stuff there in California. And they ended up having 10,000 people in that church write letters to the legislators say, “€œHow dare you put this in?”€ So, if it’s enough to get people in California moving, you can imagine that it”€™s pretty bad.

But we’re talking kindergarten level. So, this is something really starting to sweep the nation.

Really Starting To Sweep The Nation

Tim:

Yeah. It’s something that’s not a surprise for people that pay much attention. If you watch what’s coming out of Hollywood, we’ve seen kind of the sexual culture and nature that’s been going on. And really, arguably, we go back to the history of humanity and say there’s always been an element that’s promoted kind of outward sexual expressions and embracing different sexual ideologies. But we’ve never seen it promoted as morally acceptable and morally proper behavior at such a young age and level.

And we have seen different singers, and musical professionals, and Hollywood A list kind of actors, come out and they’ve said, “€œLook, I’m a Christian and I think if you don’t support certain lifestyles, and certain sexual behaviors, then you’re not being Christ-like, and you’re not loving–

David:

And the lifestyles they”€™re talking about or ones that the Bible clearly speaks against.

Tim:

Absolutely. There’s no doubt that these people are totally Biblically inaccurate. They probably have never read the Bible, they don’t know what it says. But this is the push coming from culture and it is a very intentional effort to get America away from a moral foundation, specifically of the Bible. And it is extremely shocking to see what is being promoted as normal behavior to young people.

In fact, we’ve had on the radio program before a homeschool mom who decided to get involved when she was looking at a magazine that one of her teenagers was reading and it was promoting anal sex for little girls and explaining how this is appropriate and healthy behavior etc., etc..

Well, if that’s a teen magazine that is widely accepted– And, by the way, that teen magazine failed shortly after that as this mom led efforts to try to bring an end to it, “€œWhat are we doing? We can’t do this!”€ So, other people got involved and made a difference.

Just The Tip Of The Iceberg

Tim:

But this is just kind of the tip of the iceberg so to speak. Because when you look at what is being done in schools there is so little oversight. Parents have so little idea of what is being taught that there is not the accountability there needs to be.

And, dad, as you mentioned, in California when people were finding out what was being taught, all of a sudden there were levels of accountability because parents were activated, they were engaged, they wanted to do something. But today most parents have very very little idea of what is going on, of what is in curriculum, and of the agenda that’s trying to be promoted to young people.

Rick:

Well, one of the guys watching this very closely, a former senator, he”€™s not actually in the legislature right now is this legislation in Colorado is working its way through the process. But he heads up the study group there. So, they’re paying attention to every piece of legislation especially that affects the family. And that’s certainly what this legislation does.

So, the sex education that we’re talking about here that takes place at public school doesn’t just affect that kid in that public school – it affects that family, it affects the way we view family. It is a massive change in the way that society is even formed. So, this is a big deal and Kevin Lundberg, of course, watching very closely. In fact, I don”€™t know, guys, he”€™s probably been to our legislators conference from the beginning. I think he was at the very first one ten or twelve years ago – wasn”€™t he?

David:

I think he was. He was one of the first guys there and I do not think he’s missed a legislative conference. What was it, Tim, this year was 13 or 14 years?

Tim:

Yeah, something like that.

Rick:

And they usually have a pretty –Colorado has a pretty good delegation that comes to the conference as well. But the political winds have changed dramatically in Colorado over the last few years. So, we’re very thankful that Kevin’s there. Not– we’re obviously very concerned about this particular piece of legislation. We’ll get an update from him when we return right here on WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. Got one of my heroes on the program today, former state senator from Colorado, just did an amazing job for the state of Colorado then, and he’s doing it even now as executive director of the Republican Study Committee of Colorado. Kevin Lundberg, always good to have you, brother. Thanks for your time today.

Kevin Lundberg:

Well, thank you. It’s good being with you.

The Left”€™s Focus on Colorado

Rick:

Hey, man, always excited to see what you’re working on in Colorado. You”€™ve watched your state kind of swing as– with the pendulum– your early days in the legislature, much more conservative state. The left managed to really focus on Colorado for several years there and make headway, unfortunately. And you guys have held on, and fought back, and, man, it seems like a continual battle. And now you’ve got one in the school districts with the sex education and there’s a piece of legislation dealing with this. We were hoping you could update us on it.

Kevin Lundberg:

Well, yes. In the history of Colorado, I was in the legislature for 16 years and 10 of those years was in the minority. And it’s kind of gone back and forth. But you’re right – it has been slowly marching towards the left and this year they’re in full control of the House, the Senate, the governor’s office.

So, they dropped a bill changing the requirements for sex education in all public schools. And this is the most heavy handed doctrinaire approach I have ever seen. One of the things– because they’ve had some pretty questionable practices in some of the public schools when it comes to sex education, but there have been some opportunities to not be there.

For example, we have a pretty healthy charter school system here in the state. And charter schools could appeal for a waiver from the requirements for sex ed. No longer–

Rick:

So, the entire school could opt out – not just one kid in a class with the right school could say hey we’re not. If it was a charter school they could say, “€œWe’re not going to participate in that.”€

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah. And the other element is, here in Colorado local school boards have a lot of prerogatives. As a matter of fact, it’s in our state constitution that they set the curriculum for their schools. So, this is running roughshod over that. It doesn’t say you’ll have this particular curriculum, but it says whatever you teach you’re going to teach these things and these other things you’re not going to teach. And it’s a huge document. It’s 26 pages of rules and regulations.

What It Boils Down To

Kevin Lundberg:

But it boils down to this – in looking at this this whole mechanism, it has essentially been written by Planned Parenthood and the homosexual community. So, you can kind of figure out some of the things they are doing.

But if you look at it overall, what they’re demanding be taught in our public schools is a whole lot of information about every type of sexual activity, literally, and it insists that they cover the LGBT practices. But it is silent on saying anything from the perspective of marriage. Just absolutely silent. So, sex has been relegated to an activity between consenting adults.

And you’re a dad, Rick, you’ve got boys and a girl in your family, I think. You and your wife have had to sit down and, I’m sure, have a discussion with them and it’s within the context of God created sex for humans as an important part of the marriage relationship. Well, that’s just out of there.

Rick:

It’s not even part of the conversation with them. Right?

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah. And if you were to talk about that in terms of teaching, you can’t do that. Here’s another thing they put in there – they say no gender stereotypes. Well, they even define it.

Rick:

Wow.

Kevin Lundberg:

And a gender stereotype is any generalized assumption on the roles of men and women. In other words, you cannot distinguish between the two when discussing these areas and these issues.

In The Context Of Age

Rick:

And, Kevin, would put this in the context of age as well for me. So, what age is going to be– is being told– or what age are the schools being told they will teach these things?

Kevin Lundberg:

Well, they say you will teach these things starting in fourth grade. But they even say that the lower grades, if you’re going to be covering subjects about healthy relationships, or  something related to that, you still have to play by these rules. In other words, you can’t at any age say anything that gives the context of a mother and a father in a healthy family. That is just absent from this whole discussion.

Rick:

And this is– the things you’ve just described– even for high school I would fight against  this type of an agenda being taught to even 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, year olds. But, man, we’re talking now, what, 9, 10, 10 year olds?

Kevin Lundberg:

Fourth grade on up– 9, some kids are 8 when they’re in that grade. It’s ridiculous. And here’s another thing to bear in mind because people say, “€œWell, you can opt your child out of this instruction.”€ Yes, you can, but this colors the entire academic attitude within the school. And if they’re teaching all of these kids that you should view sex as just an activity among consenting adults, and homosexuality, transgenders, just the whole gender fluidity of the issue out there is to be accepted as normal. It states this too, it says you have to teach these arenas and you have to do it from a very non– well, an amoral, that’s the best way I can put it–

Rick:

Yeah.

Kevin Lundberg:

–amoral attitude. It’s going to cover everything and it’s going to color all of the attitudes within our public schools here in Colorado.

We”€™ve Seen The Result

Rick:

And, Kevin, we don’t have to guess or hypothesize what the result is. We’ve seen it in other states–

Kevin Lundberg:

Right.

Rick:

–and in districts where– even just recently– literally just yesterday, my wife and I were talking about a couple of stories where these families are just in grieving and in pain because of these kids that are exposed to this stuff and an influenced. Not just exposed– influenced–

Kevin Lundberg:

Correct.

Rick:

— this direction.

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah.

Rick:

And they end up going off on online finding everything being led totally astray to believing, as a girl, that they should be a boy. And they’re coached on how to transition, what to tell their parents, all the– where to go to Planned Parenthood to get the injections for the hormones, and they’re literally being led into these terrible situations. Not knowing the pain that it’s going to cause down the road that we already know and we’re already seeing examples of.

But now you’re talking about taking those situations and saying the entire state of Colorado is going to buy into this and the entire education system is now going to be a part of that. We, like I said, we don’t have to guess where this goes–

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah.

Rick:

–and the amount of pain that it causes. What’s your take on the legislative possibilities here? Is this– because the Dems control the whole thing, is there any chance of stopping it?

It Will Take A Miracle

Kevin Lundberg:

Not much. There can be a miracle and I certainly pray that we can see that and somehow–  Because there have been a lot of little amendments along the line. So, the House version is going be different than the Senate version and if they can’t agree on that, then we’ve got a problem, or they’ve got a problem.

But it flew through the House even though hundreds and hundreds– I have never seen this many people come out and speak against a single bill. Sometimes when there’s a pile of 10 or 12 bills that you’ll see this huge public outrage. But I have never seen this much over one piece of legislation.

Rick:

And rightfully so.

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah. And you know the people don’t like it, but they are very intent on pushing this through and they have forced this issue. And they’ve put it on the fast track– it’s gone through the House, it’s gone through appropriations, it’s gone through the Senate committee, first committee. So, there’s an outside window that something will go awry between the two houses. But beyond that, this one is going to become law.

And there’s another bill out there that says a psychiatrist or a psychologist cannot teach any, what they call, “€œconversion therapy”€ which means counseling a child who’s questioning their sexuality. They can’t set him down and say, “€œWell, let’s help you work through this, so we don’t go down that road.”€ No, that’s going to be become illegal in the state in Colorado.

Rick:

It’s all about afirm, afirm, afirm, everything they’re doing.

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah.

A Good Point

Rick:

No one’s telling the kids “€œno”€.

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah.

Rick:

That’s the real take home message. No one’s willing to say, “€œHey, this is bad for you. Don’t go this direction.”€

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah. Now I would clarify one point. It’s not the entire education system. It’s entire public education system.

Rick:

Good point.

Kevin Lundberg:

There are private schools and there are homes schools and if there is a silver lining those will flourish.

Rick:

Well, parents, pay attention. Parents, listen up. And it’s not just Colorado, right, Kevin?  This is what California did, Delaware.

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah.

Rick:

There’s other states–

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah.

Rick:

— that have either done it or considering it. Parents, you’ve got to know what’s happening in your school district. And parents will often say, “€œIt won”€™t happen– my kid is strong. They’ll be fine.”€ Look, this stuff influences and it’s an environment. And when the bill like this passes it’s a broad stroke, environmental atmospheric change in these schools.

A Take Away

Kevin Lundberg:

Yeah. And I’d like to put it within this context just kind of a take away which is it’s not just about sex education – it’s about a fundamental understanding of the relationship between men and women–

Rick:

Of the family unit.

Kevin Lundberg:

–marriage.

Rick:

Yeah.

Kevin Lundberg:

Marriage, family, they’re all on the line when you start teaching kids that you shouldn’t think about this in terms of when you get married, just think about it in terms of when you see the next person that you’re interested in.

Rick:

Yeah.

Kevin Lundberg:

I’m sorry. The agenda– it’s very clear and it”€™s very big.

Rick:

And it’s huge. That’s exactly right. Because it’s not only that smallest of societal units in the family, it’s how they look at society itself, and the persons that we interact with, and the whole thing.

So, man, I can’t thank you enough for just being engaged on this front and still raising the alarm on this. And parents have to know about this and have to know what’s happening at the local level. It’s also an indication, Kevin, of nationally where the parties are going on this and what happens when the left is in control of your legislature and your governor’s office–

Your Vote Or Lack Of Vote

Kevin Lundberg:

Right.

Rick:

–and how much that’s changing society and in a negative way. But, bless you, brother, for continuing the fight.

Kevin Lundberg:

People need to know that in November when we vote for legislatures that’s when the votes were cast for all of these bills as well.

Rick:

That’s right.  

Kevin Lundberg:

So, you need to be a responsible citizen and stand up and make a difference.

Rick:

Amen. And it can be turned around. That”€™s the other thing about this. When I hear these stories, it does get me down and I have to step back and go, “€œOkay, look, this– hopefully, like you said, “€œsilver lining”€– let’s wake up a lot of people both to move their kids into an education environment where they don’t get exposed to this junk, but also wake them up to realize your vote is what creates this, or your lack of a vote is what creates this.

Kevin Lundberg:

Right.

Rick:

And that’s why we have to be engaged and positively work this process.

Kevin, bless you, brother. Appreciate what you do. Let’s get you back again soon.

Kevin Lundberg:

Thank you. Appreciate it, Rick. It’s important, it”€™s an honor to be a part of your program.

Rick:

That’s Kevin Lundberg. Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us and special thanks to former Senator Kevin Lundberg for joining us today as well.

We’re back with David and Tim Barton now. And, guys, I think listeners hear a program like that, hear an interview like that, and their immediate thought is, “€œWell, yeah, maybe in Colorado, maybe the public schools there, it’s not happening in my state.”€, or, “€œIt’s not happening in my backyard.”€ I live in a little town in Texas called Dripping Springs. It’s happening here. We just had this fight last year right here in my hometown and we lost. They’re using this kind of stuff. It’s everywhere, I would say.

David:

Yeah, that’s what we were talking about earlier. And the fact that just because you live in the country, or in a rural community, or, “€œThey wouldn’t do that in my school district”€ – Yes, they would. And even in places that are pro-life conservative they’re still using Planned Parenthood sex ed curriculum. That’s the most popular across the country right now.

Why In The World?!

David:

And has a whole wrong basis in everything that it does in approaching sexuality. We can even say, “€œWell, why in the world is that even being taught in schools anyway?”€ It’s not like that. This is something you have to have to be successful in life, and get a job, and a career, like maybe math, or science, or reading, or whatever.

So, the first question is, why is it being taught? And if it’s being taught, what is the purpose behind teaching this? The current answer to that question is, as Kevin pointed out, there’s not a single time in that curriculum that links sex to marriage. So, we can teach this, and teach the complete absence of any context for sexual relations, we can get marriage completely out of the picture. And starting down here in K 3, K 4, K 5, we won’t have any marriage.

And, by the way, as he pointed out there’s also no genders in this. You don’t do any kind of gender with this. So, sex does not involve genders, per say, and you’ve removed all boundaries of any kind and there’s no context. So, why would you be teaching them in school? Because that is part of a philosophy you’re moving forward.

And part of that philosophy contradicts all the things we would call traditional values, biblical values, whatever it is. But it also contradicts so much of science. So, educating kids – that’s not what this is. This is indoctrinating kids. There is not a purpose for this type of education other than to indoctrinate in a philosophy.

So, this is why it’s in every school now. It’s not like that is only in San Francisco, or Seattle, or Chicago. This is all over the nation because there is a philosophy, people that want to indoctrinate kids in a very opposite direction. They want America to move away from everything that it stood for.

You”€™re Going To Lose Them And Not Understand Why

David:

So, if parents make the assumption that, “€œWell, my kids are safe. They wouldn’t teach something like this.”€, you’re going to end up losing your kids and not understand why. You cannot make a statement like that. You need to be looking at what they’re teaching in science, you need be look at what they’re teaching in math, what they’re teaching in biology, you need to see what they’re teaching in sex ed.

There is so much philosophy now being taught with education. It no longer represents teaching basic knowledge. It is now teaching philosophical beliefs. And that is in every courses being taught.

Rick:

So, it’s not just Colorado, it’s not just one course, it’s not just one school district. This is this is permeating a lot out there. David, before we let people go today, what’s the best way to fight back on this? What should people be doing? I mentioned in the interview Kevin – definitely need to be looking at other forms of education. If you are leaving your kids in a public school and you don’t know whether this is going on or not, you need to wake up and you need to do some research.

David:

Yeah, you need to wake up. And that’s the first step is to wake up. And you wake up by getting an alert and seeing what’s going on. So, you go and say, “€œI want to see all the curriculum for sex ed that we use in our school.”€ And they”€™ll, “€œWell, we can’t let you see that.”€ That’s your first red flag. If they will not let you see that then there’s something going on they don’t want you to see.

Because under state federal law and Supreme Court decision, if you are a taxpayer, you have access to what’s going on in the schools and the curriculum. So, when they tell you, or if they tell, you can’t see it, then you know there’s something that’s bad. Get your kids out of there right away. Then if you do get to see it, you dig through it and see if the philosophy is what you agree with. And then you do that through other things as well.

What You Can Do

David:

But do not assume– and, by the way, just because your kids may not have that, “€œI homeschool my kids”€, or “€œI Christian School my kids.”€ Great. There’s 88 percent of the nation’s kids that are in public school. Even if you’re a taxpayer that homeschools or Christian schools your kids, go find out what’s being taught there and raise a ruckus if you need to.

One thing they do not like is sunlight. And when something comes to light, and when it becomes publicly known, that’s when they try to scurry from it, and back off, and become more conservative. So, that’s the things you can do. Investigate, look at it, find out if they won’t let you see it, you know there’s a problem. If they do let you see it let others know it”€™s there.

Colorado Sex Ed Bill Is Out Of Control And Around The Country

Rick:

You”€™ve got to get, like you said, you”€™ve got to wake up and then you”€™ve got to be active and ask the right questions. And then spread the word. Let other people know about it as well. And everybody out there – pay attention to those local school board elections, ask these questions during those elections, find out where those candidates for school board stand on these things. Too often we just stick our head in the sand and we hope it’s not happening in our backyard. It is.

Even myself, I used to be very involved in those elections and we kind of stayed out of it for the last few years. And now we’ve awakened to a mess in our own community. Don’t let that happen to you.

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