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Air Date: 11/19/2020
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My name is Rick Green by former Texas legislator and America’s constitution coach and I’m here with David Barton, America’s premier historian. Later in the program, Gary Palmer will be with us, congressman from Alabama. And unfortunately for us, Tim Barton’s not with us today, but fortunately for him, he’s out on the range in front sight we’re out here for one of the constitutional defense courses that so many WallBuilders Live listeners have been with us on a lot of them out here with us now. So he’s still out of the range training. I had to come go do work, David, what’s up with that? So I had to come, get on radio with you and he gets to keep having fun out there.
Wait a minute, being on radio with me is work, is that what I’m hearing? Come on, man.
You’re right. Well, listen, I have been on the range out there most of the time, so I don’t even know what’s going on. So I’m looking forward to get an update from you and finding out what’s happening out there in the last 24 hours. It just seems like, I mean, we’re literally living one day at a time here in terms of this election and finding things out and just seems to change on a daily basis.
Well, as you know, every day we’ve been trying to cover what’s happened in the last 24 hours, and we have not run short of stories, and they’ve been pretty, really consequential stories, pretty substantial stories. And I was talking to a major national media host today. If I said his name, everybody would know who he is. And he was talking about how interesting it is that so many of these big stories now, he is finding covered on no major national news network. I mean, there’s not covering them. Even Fox News is not covering a lot of these stories. They’re not out there.
And so it’s like they just want everybody to assume that this is a done deal, the election is completely over and it is not over. Now, it may be over and at some point it will be over, but at this point, there is no declared winner other than what the media has announced. And actually, you…
You think they really want it to be over because they don’t want to be wrong. They just they call this 14 point victory for Biden and all of these things that were so wrong, that as long as he still wins, they’ll be able to forget that they got it so wrong.
Well, I think it’s what they want also, because no longer do you have a neutral media. I mean, whether you’re on Fox side, or whether you’re on CNN side, everybody’s chosen their winner. And so they do things that lead not to the story. And that’s why we’ve talked in the last week or so about groups like Epic Times, groups like Blaze, others that are just putting the truth out there and telling you what’s happened. If Trump loses a case, you find out; if he wins a case, you find out. You’re not getting that from the others.
And I really think that we’re at that thing we talked about earlier, where the 58% of Americans believe that truth is defined individually. So I don’t care what’s happening to the courts, my truth is that he’s won and that Biden has been declared, and that’s the end of the story. And if you tell me the courts do anything differently with that, then you’re stealing the election. And I think that this really is genuinely what a lot of the media folks believe. This is what they wanted. This to what they wished for. This is what they worked for throughout the years leading up to this. And they’re just not going to do anything that contradicts what their beliefs are. And that’s unfortunate.
Now, I think that sets up the stage we talked in other times about how that could really set the stage for violence, because those they’re feeding this to, they’re going to think that this really is stolen. Whereas if you listen to us or listen to the Epic Times, or Blaze or Newsmax or others you’re finding out no, there’s two sides of the story, and you need to know both sides and know what’s going on.
And so today, I mean, some of the stuff I’ve got here, Rick, there’s a number of stories we’ll run through quickly, but they’re all substantial. And there’s nothing inconsequential here. So let me just start in Wisconsin. We talked yesterday that an official recount has not been called for in Wisconsin, now it has. President Trump’s team has said we want an official recount, it would have taken $8 million to get a recount for the whole state, so they paid 3 million to get a recount in Milwaukee and Dane counties. Those are the most Democratic counties. If there is fraud, if there’s something going to flip, it’s going to be in those counties. So that’s what they’ve chosen to do is look at those counties.
And remind me now, David, on Wisconsin, of course, this was one of the close ones they didn’t you know, it looked like election night he was going to win and then a bunch of votes got dumped in Milwaukee at the last minute, I think what is it about, 20,000 vote difference now?
Yes. 20,000 vote difference now with Wisconsin. We were doing live broadcast TV that night and we watched as I think it was 64,000 ballots came in in one second, they didn’t hit linearly, they hit and one second and they were like 100% for Biden and zero for Trump, and we go, what in the heck was that? We’ve never seen that before ever on broadcast TV. And we were getting live feed from AP at the time; that was a source we’re using, because they had good charts and good maps. We gave our commentary rather than theirs, but the graphics were good. And we watch that go through the roof and said, what in the world is that? So it jumped to a 20,000 vote lead for Biden, but that is now being challenged, and it was in the Milwaukee area where that we saw that jump occur. So that’s where they’re looking. If you go to Pennsylvania…
And keep in mind why Wisconsin is critical too, is because you know, Georgia and Pennsylvania too that we think really do have a chance to change, but you need one more, either Michigan or Wisconsin or Nevada, Atlanta, and Wisconsin is definitely one of those with a Republican legislature as well, if they do run into a lot of voter fraud and can’t trust the election.
And while you’re talking about Nevada, let me let me go to Nevada for a bit. Biden has a 34,000 volt lead in Nevada, the Trump team filed another election suit in Nevada. And one of the things they pointed to was they themselves have identified 15,000 people in Nevada who also voted in another state. So there’s at least 15,000, they have found who voted in double states, which is illegal, you can’t do that.
The former Attorney General of Nevada is really the lead lawyer on Trump campaign team there in Nevada. And he’s presenting as part of this new lawsuit, that 15,000 people who vote in both states. There’s a bunch who had a change of address, they were out of the State at the time of the election. And there’s also a big list they’ve got of dead voters. And so there’s just enough stuff they pointed out to raise the question, and that’s why they’ve gone to court. They don’t have to prove that they can come up with 34,000 votes to make the difference. All they have to prove is there’s substantial irregularities, and there’s something different needs to be done.
And of course, Nevada is where we’ve already seen that county commissioners race be thrown out. I mean, that’s one of the examples of even if you don’t show that the number of ballots in the anomaly could overturn the election, they just decided, look, we’ve got to redo this election, and so that’s already happened right here in Nevada.
That’s right. And also we mentioned yesterday, briefly, just that it looked like there was real problems in Nevada with corruption stories have kind of blown up around the fact that literally, with Native Americans there in Nevada, they have all this evidence now they were being paid to vote, and that is a crime. That’s a $10,000 fine up to two years in prison. You don’t pay anybody to vote.
And so now they’ve got all these Facebook pages where people were bragging about that they were paying others to vote, here’s the rewards we gave them a $25 gift card if you vote, and wearing Biden t-shirts, they were passing out these gift cards, etc. So that’s another story that’s coming out in Nevada. So lots there.
Jump to Pennsylvania right now, Biden leads Pennsylvania by 82,000 votes. And the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has agreed to take up the case, so they’re jumping the appeals court. And this came out of Philadelphia, where so many questions have been raised in Philadelphia. And so the trial judge initially ruled against the Trump campaign, it was going to a court of appeals. And the Philadelphia Board of Elections said, look, we’re just asking the Supreme Court take this thing now. Let’s not go through all the steps, it’s eventually going to get to you. And they said, we really need to know right now, because there’s 9,000 or so, 8,000 Philadelphia voters that are being challenged at this point. They said we really can’t even certify the election or meet the deadlines if we don’t know how to deal with some of this stuff.
So the Pennsylvania Supreme Court did agree to pick up that case today, so that’s now going to be quicker in legal resolution, which doesn’t mean the whole thing’s over. That means from there, they’ll probably go to the Supreme Court depending on which way the State goes. One side or the other will likely appeal.
Another story out of Pennsylvania deals with the Trump campaign team has put together what they call a fraud detection team. And they’re working in a number of states. They’re working not only in Pennsylvania, but in Georgia and other states as well, Wisconsin and Arizona. And what they’re doing is they’re calling registered Republican voters. And what they did in the case of Pennsylvania, they called and talked to just under 2,000 registered Republican voters. And they said, alright, it shows in the Pennsylvania records that you were sent a mail-in ballot. So we want to know what happened when you get that mail-in ballot.
And so what you have is about a third of those, just under 600 said, well, we never requested the ballot. That’s a problem. You’re only supposed to send ballots to those who request them. Then of the 1,200 or so who did request a ballot, 40% said they mailed their ballots back, but the state today doesn’t show that those ballots were voted or counted. So you’re having…
Yeah, roughly 40% said we voted, we mailed our ballots back, but the voter roll shows that we didn’t vote. So that that’s a real problem, and that’s, again, part of the legal stuff that’s going on in Pennsylvania. So that’s big stuff in Pennsylvania.
And that’s the kind of stuff that I’ve heard the election experts say that you don’t have to, like you said, show every vote, if you can show statistically, based on this number of survey of this number of people that if that’s happened statewide, it would turn the election, that might be enough right there. And that is huge.
That is huge. If you’re looking at 40% of mail-in ballots, where people said, I sent my, or at least Republican said, I sent my ballot back. Of course, they didn’t check Democrats, you know, if it’s 40% for Democrats too, then you got to systemic incompetency. But it’s 40% for Republicans, and it’s not 40% for Democrats, now you got disparity, you got a real problem. So they didn’t check that and that’s the other thing I would want to know. If I were sitting as a Judge, were both sides equally shut out of the voting process or was it disparity toward one? And that would be a real legal problem if it’s just one side.
Jumping into Georgia, Biden leads Georgia by 14,000 votes. And so in Georgia, they just found a huge error. The cab County, there was a batch of votes that was recorded as being 10,700 for Biden, and 13 for Trump. Now, that’s a huge disparity. As it turns out, it was only 1,080 for Biden and 13 for Trump. So it’s an extra 9,626 votes that went to Biden that were not cast at all, but it showed up as going for him. So with Biden being ahead by 14,000 in this plus the mistakes they found in three counties, there’s been three counties where that that were…
Yeah, I was about to say, I’m feeling like a pattern here, because you just told us yesterday, there was a second or third county that they had like a 2,500 or something like that and both of those had, I don’t remember 400 or 800 margin for Trump, so he was kind of inching up. And after the third one, I was like, this is already a pattern, but now you’re saying they found in another county a huge 10,000. This is huge!
Yeah, Floyd County, there were 3,000 uncounted ballots; in Fayette County, there were just under 3,000 counted ballots, and the new one is Walton County, it’s a smaller county and the number counted was less. It was about 284 uncounted ballots, but the vast majority went for Trump. So you take those three counties, you take the 9,000 error that was over counted for Biden, and you’re probably about within 1500 votes between Biden and Trump in Georgia right now.
And I haven’t gotten to Fulton County yet where we think most of the problems will be uncovered.
And this is still just an audit. This is not a recount. This is an audit. Because they’re not looking to see what ballots we’re going to throw out, they’re just looking at their math. This is just math mistakes that we’re finding. And this is not going into, I challenge this ballot because the signature doesn’t look at all like, it’s none of the challenges. This is just ballot stuff. And then you’ve got another one out of Georgia today where that a poll worker who was involved in this audit said she came across, she said she’d been doing election for 20 years, and by the way, this testimony I’m giving you is part of the lawsuit we mentioned yesterday was filed, the attorney filed against the Secretary of State saying hey, you don’t have the authority to change law you did.
As part of the evidence is the testimony of this lady who’s been a poll worker, done 20 years of recounts in handling ballots, etc. And she said in the process of going through the ballots, she came on a big stack of ballots, and she said they were pristine. She said now, other ballots, when you run them through the machine, and you have recounts, you make notes on them and you have all sorts of stuff, the machine shows wear and tear. She said these were pristine ballots, and they were folded, not like they’ve been set in and not like that they had been voted in booths. They were folded, so you could quickly run them through the count machines.
And so they had a particular fold on them, which is not what the voters would do. It’s what somebody would do if they were getting a quick count. And she said that of all of those ballots, this big stack of ballots, she said 98% were all for Joe Biden. And so she’s raised flags, because she said I’ve done this 20 years, I’ve never seen a group of pristine ballots that have come from voters like this. And these look like they were right out of the box.
I don’t know, David, none of that sounds suspicious to me at all. Are you kidding me? I mean, how many of these? It’s almost like, they just thought we wouldn’t check. I mean, that’s what I’m starting to feel like at this point.
Well, that’s why I say this is big stuff. These are not small stories we’re talking and it could be that there’s not going to be enough evidence to prove all this. Right now, this is one side. The Bible says one side sounds good till you hear the other. So we got what the other side’s got to say. Right now, it looks like there’s smoke and fire. It may turn out to be only smoke and no fire. But then again, it may turn out to be smoke and fire.
These are really big stories that somebody ought to be talking about, and it’s like nobody’s really covering these. But that’s what we do right now in this election coverage that we’re having with WallBuilders Live, we’re covering stories that should be heard by others. And as part of the stuff we’ve been covering, Rick, for the last several days, we’ve kind of mentioned what’s happening in Congress. We really haven’t looked at it to any great degree. We talked about the big uptick and unexpected seats, Republicans won, and all these prolife women, they’re getting elected to Congress. But I thought it’d be good to check in and get an update on that.
So I called Gary Palmer, who’s a congressman from Alabama. He’s in the House leadership on the Republican side. He’s what’s called the Conference Chair. He’s kind of in charge of all their policy, that puts him kind of number three, number four of all Republicans in the house. And so I’ve got Gary on the line with us. So, Gary, thanks for being with us. And Gary, for the last two weeks, it seems like everything in the media has really been focused on the presidential aspects and the lawsuits and what’s going on. But Congress, it looks like you guys are now down to pretty much knowing who’s going to be there, maybe 6, 8, 10 races left undecided, so what do you see in from the congressional race side? How do you look at things?
Well, there’s two races in California that haven’t been called, and we’re very hopeful that those are going to go our way. I saw one of them last night, the numbers have actually increased to our guy, Mike Garcia is a great member. And then we’ve got one in Iowa that they’ve already gone through two certifications, I think, the Democrat is going to ask for a full recount, but we think we should be okay there. And then we’ve got one in New York that our candidates are ahead by more than 20,000 votes, and we think that she’ll be able to prevail on that one.
And then there’s one in New Jersey, where our guys actually behind, actually, met with him yesterday. And tremendously impressive individual, Tom Kane, that we think there is a chance that he could pull ahead and win that one. And if that were to happen, we’d be at 214 members, which is unbelievable, given all the headwinds we were going into and how every expert that you and I know of, David, were saying we were going to lose 20 seats or more.
Yeah, $11 billion, unprecedented, the amount that they put into this election, man, we’ve seen the money flowing in for you guys to come out with potential 214 is actually unbelievable.
What’s funny about it is out of the 11 billion that was spent, they spent the vast majority of the money themselves on left wing candidates. They will spend everybody else’s money on their socialist programs.
If you guys get to 214, I know this is probably never going to happen. But last session, there were like 10 Democrat members who voted against Pelosi for speaker, is anything like that likely to happen this time at all with the close margin you guys have?
Well, the closer the margin, the more interesting things will get. If I were a betting man, and I’m not there, if I were, I’d put my money on Pelosi being speaker again. But I do think that there’s some Democrat members, and many of whom are friends of mine, they’re actually people that I think we could work with, that want to govern. And I think, they know as long as Pelosi is speaker, that we’re not going to have that, we’re going to have more gridlock. So it could get really interesting if the numbers get much tighter, particularly on health care, because we have great ideas for healthcare. We were hammered and hammered by the Left that we were going to take away everybody’s health insurance when the fact of the matter is even the New York Times had an article last year talking about fact, if you have Medicare for all, you’re going to take away people’s private health insurance. But also on preexisting conditions, they kept saying that, that we were taking away coverage for preexisting conditions, when the fact of the matter is we passed the bill that covered preexisting conditions in 2017 and every Democrat in the Senate voted against it, including Kamala here. And I know that because I wrote the amendments because of the preexisting conditions,
I had no clue you had written that amendment on the preexisting conditions. I don’t think that information made the election campaigns very much on the Democrat side, because it sure was the narrative exactly the opposite of what you said.
If whoever the speaker, and I assume this is going to be Pelosi follows the tradition that we’ve always had here of proportionality and committees, the ratios are going to be really tight. So if you had a 35 member committee, typically, the Democrats would have maybe 23 members and we might have 12 that keeper, 9 or 10, 11 majority on the committee. If we go proportionality in and follow the ratios, it would be more like 18 to 17. So that could really be interesting.
Yeah. That would be interesting. Like you said, you’ve got some Democrats that you’re able to work with. At this point, for Pelosi to keep control, does she end up punishing members who will vote on the other side, I mean, what kind of options does she have to keep her people in line?
I don’t think she has a lot of options, because at any given point, someone could follow up privilege motion to vacate the chair. And you have to have 218 votes to be speaker, so you’ve got to cobbled together 218 one way or another. And if you have some folks that are not going to vote with you, then you’re done. If you’re down around 222, and we’re at 213, she’s got a margin of error of five. My guess is what Pelosi will do on the committees, she will expand the committee membership. She’ll add seats to the committees so they’re not down to one or two majority.
I was seeing last night that some of the law professors are now speculating and I guess this is a fundamental exercise for them. But the real possibility as they see it that the whole presidential election gets thrown to the House, and of course, if it goes to the House, you start voting by delegations, not by members necessarily. You think there’s no chance that happens?
Well, here’s what I’ve been pushing through to the folks that have been talking to the legal team at the White House is look, I know that they’re looking at the fact that the process was messed up in that they didn’t allow poll watchers, they were excluded, and some were literally removed from the facilities. That’s process, David, what you’ve got to have a substance. If you had poll watcher sitting there observing, and they were counting illegal ballots, that doesn’t help your case. What you have to do is to prove that those were illegal ballot.
And one of the things I’ve pointed out in a couple of our Republican meetings is that federal law requires that all election materials be preserved for two years. In this case, that would include the envelopes that the mail ballots where their absentee or vote by mail ballots came in. And I sent a letter as chairman of the policy committee, requesting that the Postmaster General require every post office in America to require that every mail ballot, whether it was vote by mail or absentee, have a legible postmark date. And they sent back a letter saying that’s exactly what they were going to do. They went in detail about how they were going to make it happen.
I tell you that to say that, I think that that there ought to be an audit of the election materials and you should be able to go in and look at all these envelopes. And if you start seeing a lot of them that don’t have postmarks, given that the Postmaster General, the US Postal Service assured us that they would all be postmark, that tells you they never went through the post office or if it’s got a manipulated postmark. And you don’t have to look at all, I mean, you just have to get a sample size big enough to know that this was a pattern. You do the same thing on the affidavits.
The average disqualification right for mailed in ballot is 3%, that’s generally what you see. I guarantee you that in Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, it was 1% or less. And you can audit that by looking at those affidavits, because if they’ve been disqualified, they’re marked disqualified. So what you’d want to look for are affidavits that didn’t have a signature, or it was the signature of someone who had passed away or was not registered to vote there, or whose signature didn’t match signature at the registrar’s office. That’s, the substance.
And then in Bush v. Gore, the argument there was equal protection. Both those arguments are valid in these different States. So I think those are the arguments that we ought to be making. I just think that we need to get out communicate to the people, there is substance to this issue. It’s not just politics. This literally is where at a constitutional crisis right now as to whether or not we can have a national election that people can trust.
Yeah, that’s right. Gary, we sure appreciate you, appreciate all you doing. Thanks for your leadership. Thanks for your wisdom and insight, and we look forward to talk with you again later. But thanks for updating us on what’s going on inside the House. Bless you, bro.
I appreciate you. See you.
Be back in just a minute with Rick.
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