Judges, Courts, Legislators, Schools, and More on Good News Friday!Â Â Good News Friday today on WallBuilders Live! Â In this episode, we discuss things such as, judges, courts, legislators, schools, Â and more! Â Learn how the federal courts are siding with the Constitution, learn that President Trump”s judicial appointments are some of the best in over 50 years, learn about how students are being faithful in prayer and fighting back against an atheist protester organization, and many other things in this episode of WallBuilders Live that you certainly won”t want to miss!Â
Air Date:Â 12/01/2017
Guests: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton
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Faith And The Culture
You”ve found your way to the intersection of faith and the culture. Â This is WallBuilders Live! Where we”re taking on today”s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, always from a Biblical, historical, and Constitutional perspective.
That conversation today is with David Barton, America’s premier historian and the founder here at WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, president of WallBuilders and national speaker and pastor. And my name is Rick Green. Â Â I’m a former Texas state legislator.
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Good News Friday
David, Tim, it’s Friday, so it’s Good News Friday. Looking forward to hearing from both of you guys with some good news. David, you want to kick us off?
Yeah, I’m going to start off with some court decisions. Here we have one that deals with Congress. By the way, we have had chaplains in Congress back since Congress opened – we had chaplains before Congress opened. Â
And then as it became a federal congress. Â Folks like James Madison was on the committee to choose the first chaplains. Â He supported chaplains and chose them back then on that first committee etc.. And so since that point in time, we’ve had chaplains open Congress with prayer — House and Senate. Now sometimes chaplains do it and sometimes they choose people to do for them.
The Federal Courts Came Down on the Side of the Constitution
You can have people who are kind of like the chaplain for the day. Â State legislatures have that, but it is strictly up to the chaplain of the House and Chaplain of the Senate as to who opens the sessions in prayer. The Constitution says that the House shall set its own rules – same with the Senate. Â It’s not the courts, it’s not anybody else, the president – no one sets the rules for one body except that body itself and that’s in the Constitution.
So what you have is you have the chaplains, a Chaplain Conroy in the House and Chaplain Barry Black in the Senate. They open each session with prayer or they choose someone to open it with prayer. And what happened was Dan Barker, who is the co-president of Freedom From Religion Foundation atheist group, filed suit because he was not allowed to open the House with prayer.
Now my first thought is, wait a minute if you’re an atheist–
Why would you want to?
What prayer? How? And I’m sure it would have been some–
“Dear nothing, I would like to thank you for nothing ever. Amen.”
So it’s you know, clearly he wants to be there for whatever reason. Â Maybe he has an inspirational message or maybe he has a denunciation of how we shouldn’t have chaplains opening. Â Who knows what is going to be. But it goes all the way through the federal courts and the federal courts came down on the side of the Constitution that the House gets to set its own rules.
And, yes, they can open with prayer and that goes all the way back and there is nothing that forces the House to have to choose him as an atheist to open with whatever comments he wanted to open. So I guess chaplains are permitted and the fact that he has not been chosen is not a Constitutional problem. So that’s a good ruling from the federal courts they came down on the right side of the Constitution on that.
National Council of Bible Curriculum In Public Schools
Also from the federal courts, you have a federal suit a challenge that was to a practice that was going on in Mercer County schools where they actually have a Bible Curriculum course. I mean, part of the curriculum they have a course on the Bible. And there was a lawsuit brought against them that said, “You can’t have a course on the Bible.”
The federal court said, “Yes you can. Â It’s a public school. Â You can have a course in the Bible.”
I know that groups like the National Council of Bible Curriculum In Public Schools, they are roughly in 1200 campuses, they”re about 200,000 kids. Â They go through courses on the Bible where the Bible is the only textbook. Â Bible literacy project I think is in 640 schools.
There’s a group out of Chattanooga that I think is in 40 something schools. All over the nation, you have these schools that have Bible curriculum in them -public schools – and it’s absolutely fine. And so the federal court comes down on the side of that which is really good.
“I”ll Be Praying For You”
And then one more. Â You had a suit going through the federal process and the school backed off and it comes out of Augusta, Maine where that a woman who was a special ed teacher was talking with one of her friends in the teacher”s lounge, wasn’t part of the classes, teacher’s lounge. Â The friend she was talking to also goes to church with her. So they are fellow church members in church together. Â And the one teacher told the other teacher that, “Well, I”ll be praying for you.”
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That”s exactly right. Exactly.
You can’t tell somebody you go to church with you”re going to pray for them.
In a private room where teachers meet.
Yeah, when you’re by yourself you have to have a higher standard and code than to have the audacity to tell somebody in private you’re going to pray for them.
I know, I mean, do these people not think that — she should have known better than that. And no wonder the school district came after her.
You know, our first-time listeners are going, “Do I have the right station here?”
Not that we get– do we get sarcastic?
Never, never, never. That’s right.
So what’s the good news of this by the way?
The good news is that after she went into federal process with the school district, they were like, “Our bad, our bad, our bad. I think there’s something in the First Amendment called free speech, I think there’s also something called freedom of religion, and I think it’s okay for you to practice those two Constitutional rights.”
So the school has backed down on that. Â Which they should have because they would have really got whacked. And that now they still–
Three Straight Good News Stories From the Federal Courts
If I’m following you right, David, you just gave us three straight–
Good news stories out of the courts.
Out of the courts.
Man, that is fantastic.
Out of the courts. Â So there’s the first segment with three good news stories as you said, Rick, out of the courts and not just out of the courts, but out of the federal courts including states like Maine where you would not normally expect that.
And even in D.C. where sometimes it’s pretty iffy on the federal courts.
That is a great way to start the program. Quick break. Â We’ll be back with more good news. I have no idea from where, but Tim Barton”s going to bring it. We’ll be back in a moment on WallBuilders Live.
Moment From American History.
This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. American Patriot Paul Revere road to alert Americans of the impending arrival of the British. But he also sought patriot leader Samuel Adams and John Hancock to warn them that the British were seeking their execution.
Adams and Hancock were staying with the Reverend Jonas Clark in Lexington. When they asked Pastor Clark if his church was ready for the approaching British he replied, “I’ve trained them for this very hour. They will fight and, if need be, die under the shadow of the house of God.”
Later that morning 70 men from his church, and several hundred British in the first battle of the War for Independence. As Pastor Clark affirmed, “The militia that morning were the same who filled the pews of the church meeting house on the Sunday morning before.”
The American church was regularly at the forefront of the fight for liberty. For more information on this pastor and other Colonial Patriots go to WallBuilders.com.
Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Good News Friday today. Â Thanks for staying with us. In our first segment, David shared three great stories coming out of the federal courts. Some good news there. Â I mean, I”m sure there’s bad news out there as well, but most people focus only on the bad news and we want to share the good news so those were good victories.
When You Have Good Judges You Get Good Decisions
Well, and, Rick, even, as you’re saying, there are some negative things out there. I was thinking the whole time, dad, when you were talking about these judges. One of the significant things to notice is that when you have good judges you tend to get good decisions.
We can look at what’s happening right now even with some judges coming out against some of things that President Trump is doing and against religious liberty. Â We see judges do negative things, and that almost feels to be the norm at times.
But then we have some of these great judges, or at least some judges making some of these great decisions. Â This to me is always just the point of why it’s so important that we have the right leaders in charge who are appointing a lot of these judges. Or if it’s in our state, that we’re electing the right kind of judges because judges are ultimately the ones that help determine if something is going to be Constitutionally upheld or if we’re going to defend our religious liberty and freedom.
And so as much as we talk about the good and bad decisions really it’s so important to have the right kind of people in there so we can get more of these good decisions.
Well, and going with that when President Obama was in office of the 13 federal courts circuit courts, Court of Appeals, nine of them, a majority of the judges became appointed by President Obama. Â Those nine surrogates took a decided turn to the left much more hostile to the issues.
And so we’re seeing more judges appointed. We talked about the fact that there are 160 vacancies and about 80-85 nominations including which, Rick, friends of both you and me – Justice Don Willett of the Texas Supreme Court and Jim Howe who’s the former solicitor general of Texas have both now been appointed or nominated by President Trump to the fifth Federal Circuit Court of Appeals.
Which we need a lot of help on that court. And those are two really really good guys.
And in that batch, you remember when he appointed them there was a whole batch of district judges as well, that included guys that worked with Kelly Shackleford at First Liberty that have done other religious liberty cases. These are people that are literally on the frontlines that have been fighting for everything that we talk about on this program.
And not only brilliant legal minds but they’ve been tested and proven to be on the right side of these battles. Â So these are great appointments we’re seeing.
Great appointments and just brilliant legal minds, brilliant Constitutional minds. These are guys that we’ve dined with, and had lots of fellowship time with, and know exactly where their heart and their abilities are. And these are really good choices. But you’re exactly right, Tim, it really depends on the judge that”s there and that depends on the person who has nominated and confirmed the judges.
Yeah.Â And of course,Â we– you know, the Founders didn’t want it to be this way, but it is. And the court has, wields tremendous power right now and so a president– what”d you tell me, David, one time? It”s basically if a guy gets eight years he’s going to get about half the judiciary right if not more.
Yeah, it’s somewhere between 40 to 43 percent of the federal judiciary will be appointed by President if he has eight years in office.
Maybe the Best Batch of Judges We’ve Seen in Our Lifetime
And in this case Trump starts off with a significant number right from the beginning that were vacancies because of what happened when Scalia passed away and Republicans holding the line there. So, man, he could end up with a significant number appointed and maybe the best batch of judges we’ve seen in our lifetime.
Well, I”ll tell you, so far the best batch of judges I’ve seen in my lifetime. I mean, that goes back to and of the Bush”s. Â It goes back to any of the Democrat presidents, I’ve not seen judges this good at all.
And so in my lifetime, we’re talking I’m born with President Eisenhower, I don’t remember his judges obviously and I don’t remember the judges of Jimmy Carter. Â But I have seen the judges of Jimmy Carter and the decisions they make. And so even though I don’t remember them, I know they have not been good. Some have been alright, but some have been really bad.
President Reagan did some that were good, but he also gave us some really bad ones on the Supreme Court. So it has been mixed. Â But this has been the best batch that I have seen in my lifetime for sure – especially in my adult lifetime now that I’m paying attention. This is hands down the best group of judges I’ve seen.
Yeah, I would echo exactly what you said too. I mean, even Reagan, you know in some of our conservative Republican circles that’s almost like blasphemy to say something bad about Reagan. Â But Reagan made mistakes folks, he really did and some of those were judges that turned out not to be what people thought they were going to be and–
Did you say, Sandra Day O’Connor – is that what I heard?
I don”t know, maybe you said Anthony Kennedy.
Well, so you could go Kennedy, you could go O”Conner, you could talk about Bush and Souter you could talk about Nixon and John Paul Stevens. I mean, those are all Republican nominees that went left on us on the court. And so I think Trump is not willing to make that mistake. He’s vetting these guys because we’ve seen the bad results of what the court’s done from Republican and Democrat appointees. But the Republicans were supposed to be a lot better so we got a little sidetracked there.
Encourage Your Senators
But the good news of all of that is it’s getting better, that got a reprieve here and we’ve got a chance to remake the judiciary back more like what the founding fathers intended it to be. Â So be thankful for these appointees and encourage your Senators.
I guess, too, we could talk action step. Â Encourage your U.S. Senators to approve these judges and also pay attention to your U.S. Senate races in 2018. Because if you don’t have good senators you don’t get approval of these good judicial nominees.
Quick break – sorry we went– Tim, we’ll come back to you. We’ll be right back. We’ve got more good news here on WallBuilders Live.
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Welcome back and thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live on this Good News Friday. Tim, that was your segment last time and we just rattled on and on about judges.
Now, wait a minute, if that was his segment then this one is mine – I get this one.
I mean, he”s just going to get totally cut out.
So the good news on this Friday is–
There you go. Just jump in there, bro.
You Cannot Pray With Students
Yeah, so guys, this is the — the piece of good news I have is coming out of Georgia. Â And if our listeners have been listening this week, they’ll know that earlier this week we had a guest, Coach John Small from Georgia. Â He was the football coach who was seen praying with his team before the football game.
So it was recorded and it went to administration. They did a memo to all coaches that you cannot pray with students, which actually, he wasn’t even leading the prayer. Â H was just there with his head bowed as they were praying.
Well, the good news out of this is not what happened to this coach, because this is going to be litigated. Â Who knows how quickly this will be decided.
And they’ll say, “Wait a second, no, U.S. Supreme Court already ruled that this is not a teacher or a coach led, a coach initiated, and if the students are doing it a coach can be present, a coach can attend.”
So the stuff that’s already been worked out from the Supreme Court in years past. Â So hopefully this will be a quick dismissal from at least the school’s administrator’s position that he cannot even be close by when they’re praying, hopefully, that goes away.
But the good news about this is kind of the unintended consequences is the atheists were trying to put an end to prayer before the football game and they thought, “Well, we can get this coach out of the way and then the students won’t be pressured and they won’t do it.”
Well, actually what happened is there was 100 students who generally were praying before the game, but when they were told that the coach could not be there, they couldn’t pray, the students, the football players, went over to the stands with the other students in the student section and so instead of just 100 students praying, they led a huge student prayer with all the students in this section.
It went from 100 students to over four hundred students that are praying now before their football games. Â Which, to me, it’s one of those kinds of funny chuckle ironic things that if you”re going to tell a kid not to do something what are they going to try to do? Â Â The very thing you told them not to do. Â So when this atheist says, “Hey, you all aren’t allowed to pray,” what are the kids going to do?
Instead of 100 kids Praying, There Are 400 Students Praying
Well, they actually in defiance now have instead of 100 kids praying there are 400 students praying before these football games. So it really is kind of some fun and good news coming out of this. Certainly, as we had Coach Small on earlier in the week, we want to continue to pray for him and pray that God will correct what’s going on, and really, that teachers and coaches will be allowed to express their faith alongside students – not coercing, not forcing students to do something. Â But if students are doing something that they would be able to join in and participate.
So we do want to see this really rectified and this go a different direction from the court. Â But at least at this point, it’s good news that the students have not been discouraged, they weren’t disincentivized to pray. Instead, a group of them said, “No, no, we’re going to keep praying, we’re going to do this.”
And so it is good news looking at this that prayer is still a tradition for this Georgia high school.
That reminds me, Tim, what you’re saying that the atheists tried to stomp out the 100 kids that were praying and now there’s 400 praying. Reminds me of Adams County Ohio where the ACLU came in and said, “Oh there’s four schools here who have the Ten Commandments. Â We don’t want kids seeing the Ten Commandments.”
And the community said, “What?” So, within a matter of months, there were more than 100,000-yard signs of the Ten Commandments posted all around the school. Â Everybody”s front yard had one.
And so in their effort to get rid of four Ten Commandments that might be seen by students, you now have 100,000 copies of the Ten Commandments that are definitely being seen by students. Â I love it when that stuff backfires in that way.
No doubt about it. And not only great news that this is happening, but that these students have that kind of courage in a culture that’s trying to get them to not stand for anything Biblical. So, first of all, this coach is standing strong. I mean, his interview with us was great the other day – just good news all the way around. What a great example to put out there for others to see.
Quick break. Â We’ll be right back with more good news. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.
Hi friends! This is Tim Barton of WallBuilders.This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. I know, oftentimes as parents, we”re trying to find good content for our kids to read.
If you remember back in the Bible, the Book of Hebrews it has the Faith Hall of Fame, where they outlined the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.
I wanted to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called, “The Courageous Leaders Collection“ and this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers.
There’s a second collection called, “Heroes of History“ in this collection you read about people like Benjamin Franklin, Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman, the list goes on and on.
This is a great collection for your young person to have and read. And it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at WallBuilders.com.
Moment From America”s History
This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. Federal courts have made several amazing rulings recently. Ordering the removal of a cross from a cemetery, banning religious holiday displays, removing the Ten Commandments from public view, prohibiting student prayers whether verbal or silent, and numerous other similar restrictive rulings.
As one current justice noted, “The Supreme Court has now become quote, a national board of theology.” Our Founding Fathers would be astounded. They designed the first amendment to keep the federal courts completely out of this issue.
As Thomas Jefferson forcefully declared, “I consider the federal government as prohibited by the Constitution from meddling with religious exercises. The first amendment was designed to keep decisions on religious expression out of the federal courts and in the hands of the local communities.” For more information on God’s hand in American history contact WallBuilders at 1-800-8-REBUILD.
Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live on this Good News Friday. And let’s see, Tim, you were giving us the football stories, so, Dave, you’re up next, bro.
What Percent of Americans Believe Textbooks Provide Accurate Information?
I’ve got one here on textbooks and if you look at polling done on U.S. voters when you asked U.S. voters and those are the ones who are more civically engaged than others. Â If you asked U.S. voters about textbooks what percentage of Americans do you think believe the textbooks are providing accurate information to students.
How recently was this poll done?
Because if this was done in the era of the fake news then I would think the majority of Americans would say, “Oh yeah, you can’t trust it.” Because they’re generally recognizing that most things are not very trustworthy these days including education, including textbooks. So I would say it’s gotta be above 70 percent.
70 percent that believe accurate information is being provided?
That believe it is not providing accurate information.
It”s About Agenda and Indoctrination
Only 27 percent of Americans think that textbooks provide accurate information. You know, one of the sessions we had at the legislative conference just a few weeks ago actually dealt with what’s going on in the schools. Â There is no question. Â I cannot even be debated. You can’t even offer a sound argument on the other side that there is not an agenda driven education going. It’s no longer about truth and knowledge. Â It”s about agenda and indoctrination.
Well, and specifically when you see the evidence. So, when you’re saying you can’t even offer an argument, well, you could if you didn’t know the evidence was out there.
Right. Â So one of the things you did at the conference, which actually at some point we’ll probably air part of that here on WallBuilders Live so people can enjoy and learn from that. Â But you pointed out dozens, and dozens, and dozens, and dozens, of what could have been hundreds and hundreds of examples. Â You gave a plethora of examples of how this indoctrination, of how this agenda was being promoted.
And you see on front news on so many different outlets identifying this and so this is not something that is not known in the sense of it’s not exposed. But it’s possible if people go, “Well, I didn’t know that was happening.” That’s very possible.
We generally don’t always have a great grasp on what’s happening in the culture and the world around us. However, there is an abundance of evidence that would indicate that this is certainly happening in universities. And so when you see what’s happening then, yeah, there’s no way when you are presented the facts you can come to any conclusion other than, “Wow, they’re promoting an agenda – bottom line.”
And the same way we’re not saying that all professors promote a negative agenda against the truth or that all teachers do. But there is no question that there is a huge institutional bias against truth whether it be in religion and faith, whether it be in American history. Â Whether it be in Constitution, or in values, or anything else. Â There”s just no question about that.
But I love the fact that the American people have also seen that. And so while they may not be as educated to all the specific examples that we can provide, they still get it. Only 27 percent of Americans believe that textbooks are actually telling accurate history, accurate truth, accurate content.
Well, and then now we’ve got to get legislators to change that. Â Right? Â I mean we’ve got to — we see the negative results of an education system that is raised leftist. We see the whole anti-American sentiment in the country, I mean, the results are there. People are fed up, they’re already saying the universities are not doing a good thing.
In fact, that poll we talked about a few weeks ago that now a majority of people think even the universities are doing bad for our culture itself. So the report card is bad for the education system, but people have got to act on that and say to our legislators, “Stop funding the left and turn this thing around.”
Praise From the Legislative Conference
Well, Rick, you mentioned legislators doing that. I’ve actually got a letter in my hand I just got. You didn’t know about this, I haven’t shown it to you. Â You haven’t heard this. Â But in this letter, it’s from the Legislative Conference, and this particular individual is going through and saying that the new bills they’re introducing on getting campuses back under control. Talks about how that through WallBuilders that they’ve got Missouri going now and that because of the legislative council of WallBuilders. Â
They’ve got it going in Michigan, and they’ve got it going in Minnesota. Â They’ve got it going in Louisiana, they’ve got it going in Ohio. Â And they just go state, after state, after state, after state.
And it concludes with this. Â ItÂ says, “The whole WallBuilders experience is fun and inspiring and there is no doubt that WallBuilders legislators make the best sponsors for our bill because WallBuilders people act on principles and fight the good fight in ways that many other legislators do not.
Your folks understand the real stakes and the cultural battles conservatives are fighting on a broad range of issues. Â This is exactly what so many Republican legislators do not understand – you’re making a tremendous difference for this country.”
And so that’s just as a result of what happened after the legislative conference a few weeks ago, and again, we’ve got I don’t know maybe 5,000 legislators on the list and about 900 really active legislators. Â These guys are making a difference.
But there is no question that it’s going to have to be changed policy-wise first before we start seeing many systemic changes. Â And you”re exactly right, Rick, but that is starting to happen. There’s a piece of good news from one of those folks at the legislative conference.
Making A Difference In Our Courts and Legislative Branch
And one of the things people at home can do is let their legislators know they have their backs on this or encourage them to step out on this because it’s kind of this third rail type deal. I mean, don’t touch education, don’t touch public schools, everybody’s all for the kids and all that. These people have got to let their legislators know, we know something’s got to change, our children need to change, our culture needs to change, and we need the legislators to lead on that and make it happen. So glad to see some positive things happening out there.
We’ve got more good news for you, folks, at our website if you go to WallBuildersLive.com. Â Look in the archives section there. Â There’s a link right there on the home page and you can go backwards on the programs for the last few weeks and you can get some of those other Friday programs with good news. We appreciate you joining us. Â You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.