Darwin’s Legacy Of Racism And Genocide Brought To Light: Ken Ham is our special guest today and he will be sharing the truths of The Evolution Theory. Learn just how much of an impact Charles Darwin has had on our culture. Also, discover the scientific advancements we owe to Christian scientists. Tune in now to learn how the scientific community wants to be free from Bible-based science, but does it take more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in a Creator God?
Air Date: 02/13/2018
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Faith And The Culture
Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we take on the day’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and other areas of the culture. But when we do that, we look at it from a Biblical, historical, and Constitutional perspective.
We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian, and our founder at WallBuilders. Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor, and he’s the president of WallBuilders. And My name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.
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Which, David, Tim, we started off yesterday talking about birthdays. Turns out–
I think we celebrated the wrong birthday. We did Lincoln’s birthday yesterday.
We did. It was Lincoln’s birthday.
But yesterday was Charles Darwin’s birthday. We should have done Darwin’s birthday
No, we’ve evolved past that.
We don’t have to celebrate that anymore.
Evolving the Calendar?
So, since we evolved the calendar we’re going to celebrate Darwin’s birthday today? Is that the deal?
No, we’ve just evolved as individuals that we no longer need to recognize and celebrate his birthday.
So, we as individuals, we are now on a greater level of humanity. And so no longer do I need to recognize Charles Darwin’s birthday, I’ve evolved past that, but I still celebrate Lincoln. I will honor that. Not so much the Darwin effect.
So, instead of celebrating his birthday we can actually talk about what his true legacy is.
Well, no, I would rather celebrate his birthday because you need to remember crazy things as well as good things.
Because you can learn as much from the crazy as you can from the good.
Yeah, probably the greatest thing I appreciate about Charles Darwin is the Darwin Awards given to the people that have removed themselves in ridiculous ways. So, if you’re listening and you’re not familiar with Darwin Awards, its awards given to people that do incredibly dumb things, and oftentimes, it even takes their life. Which is– we don’t celebrate death, but sometimes the way they enacted themselves and their behavior–
Does it suggest that we haven’t evolved? Is that what you’re saying?
Well, yeah, so the Darwin Awards are– they didn’t survive, the survival of the fittest kind of thing, they didn’t quite make it, so they’ve eliminated themselves from the population. Anyway, it’s some interesting stories about people doing ridiculous stuff. And sometimes you go, “Yeah, you probably deserved to go thinking that was a good idea.” It’s certainly not Darwin related other than this idea of survival of the fittest.
But, dad, you’re right. We should remember crazy as well as beneficial because there’s lessons to be learned in all of it. But, Rick, as you pointed out, it would be an interesting question to say, “What should his legacy be? What should he really be remembered for?”
Before we do that, let me– this is a big celebration in a lot of communities. Darwin Day is big, as you can imagine, with a lot of secular progressives etc.. And so they won’t remember Lincoln’s birthday, but they will Charles Darwin’s birthday. I went to the website just to see what they’ve got, and what are they doing, and kind of keep up with them. And I love this line from their website, “The purpose of Darwin Day is to expose the theological stranglehold on scientific discovery.”
Now my first question is, “Okay, can you show me any current theological stranglehold on scientific discovery?” I would be curious as to what that is. What is the stranglehold?
I think I could point to some atheistic strangleholds on science.
I would think so.
Saying that you can’t confirm creation, or you can’t support, or you can’t investigate creation, or intelligent design. Or, you have people who are professing atheists, your Stephen Dawkins kind of guy, who says that, “No, there is intelligent design, but the intelligent design was aliens who dropped off some specimen and the Earth grew and developed that one of the aliens left.” So, they’re reaching so far to try to explain intelligent design outside of a creator God. And so I would say they’re keeping a stranglehold on science by not acknowledging things that other scientists can acknowledge. Or even following the scientific method trying to suppress Biblical science.
I went back and looked at some, I don’t know, maybe we call it “ancient science”. Some early science where that certainly you didn’t have all the science that we have today. And I thought I’d look at some early scientific developments. We have the father of modern science, now, he’s born back in the 16’00s. All of these guys I’m going to talk about were born in the 1600-1700s.
A Theological Stranglehold?
So, Francis Bacon, he’s the father of modern science, he developed the process of inductive thinking and he created the scientific method. Now, I was a math and science guy, I went to college on a math and science scholarship, I knew all about that stuff. I didn’t know Francis Bacon was a theologian who wrote more about the Bible than he did about science. So, the father of modern science, and that’s the name the secular scientists give him, is actually a theologian.
Then you have Isaac Newton who gave us calculus, and the laws of gravitation, and the laws of motion. And he’s also a theologian. He did a number of theological writings.
You’ve got Copernicus who gave us the solar system with the sun at the center rather than the Earth at the center. Boy, that was radical – they tried to kill him for that. And he was an outspoken Christian who talked about these ideas come from God.
You have Galileo, and now we’re talking the science of dynamics, and again, the sun centred solar system. He’s a Christian. You have Johannes Kepler who gave us a light force and planetary motion. Matter of fact, President Trump has announced a mission to Mars. We won’t be able to get there without using Johannes Kepler’s discoveries from three centuries ago.
This List Goes On
William Harvey discovered the circulation of blood. He’s an outspoken Christian. Blaise Pascal, he gave us projective geometry and the conic sections, also the laws of hydraulics – outspoken Christian. Robert Boyle gave us the scientific law of gases – outspoken Christian. Antony van Leeuwenhoek is the father of microbiology – outspoken Christian.
Carl Linnaeus, the father of taxonomy – outspoken Christian. William Herschel, the father of stellar astronomy, outspoken Christian. Michael Faraday, electricity and magnetism – outspoken Christian. Samuel F. B. Morris, telegraphic communications – outspoken Christian. Charles Babbage, artificial intelligence and a programmable computer – outspoken Christian. Henry Joseph, electromagnetism – outspoken Christian.
By the way, I’m only in the 17th hundreds. So, let’s take away the theological stranglehold of these Christians and you lose inductive thinking, the scientific method, calculus, the laws of universal gravitation and motion, you lose the heliocentric solar system, you lose light force, planetary motion, you lose the circulation of blood, projective geometry, conic sections, laws of gases, father of microbiology. Are we sure we want to lose the stranglehold that–
How Much Science Would be Lost if You Removed Christianity
So, really not very much science is lost if you remove Christianity.
Well, that’s true.
Just just basically all of it.
Just basically all of it.
That’s what I find so ironic about the reason for celebrating Darwin Day is to break the stranglehold– theological stranglehold on science. I’m sorry – without Christians in science, you wouldn’t have science as we know it today.
Maybe what they meant by “stranglehold” was the perspective through which you can actually have scientific discovery. So, theological perspective that helps us find scientific discoveries, rather than stranglehold.
Well, we didn’t have the time, but if I went into the 1800’s, and then the 1900s, and then the 2000s, and show you what Christian scientists have discovered, as opposed to what secular scientists have discovered, um, we still might be tapping on drums trying to send Morse Code somewhere if that’s how we could communicate at all back then. You have to so distort the history of science to come up with what they do, but that’s what they celebrate yesterday on Darwin Day. And so that’s why it’s a good day – we’re not going to give up Lincoln’s day for Darwin’s day, that’s for sure. But that’s why it’s worth looking back today at yesterday and saying, “Okay, let’s notice what they’re doing.”
And one of the guys who may have studied Darwin more than anybody in our lifetime is Ken Ham from Answers in Genesis, the Creation Museum there in northern, actually it’s Northern Kentucky/southern Ohio. Great stuff, but as an academic man, the time he has put into Darwin, and what he knows about Darwin, pretty amazing stuff to hear his perspective on Darwin and Darwin Day.
Stay with us, folks. Ken Ham, our special guest today, on WallBuilders Live.
Moment From American History
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Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today.
Our good friend, Ken Ham, is back with us. He’s the president, CEO, and founder of Answers in Genesis and the incredible Creation Museum and Ark Encounter. If you haven’t been there, you have got to go. Plan your family vacation around this. I’m telling you our family absolutely loved it. Ken, always good to have you, sir, thanks for your time today.
Hi. Thank you. Great to be with you.
What’s Up With Darwin Day?!
Are you kidding me?! We have a day named after Darwin. Ken, what’s going on here?! People are celebrating this all over the country.
Well, Darwin’s birthday February 12. And actually, a number of years ago for the hundredth anniversary of the Origin of the Species publication, Darwin’s famous book, there was a Darwin Day program that was set up that was a non-profit organization to celebrate Darwin. The American Humanist Association has taken it on since then to try to push a day for Darwin. And actually, each year for the past few years, there’s a senator and congressmen that have tried to pass resolutions in the Senate and in the House.
In fact, there’s resolutions again this year in 2018 to try to get people to set aside Darwin Day to celebrate Darwin. And those resolutions, by the way, actually have a statement in them about being against creation and about being against people who don’t believe in man-made climate change. So, there’s other agendas associated with this.
And not only that, at the same time, there’s what’s called an “evolution weekend”. Where an atheist, Michael Zimmerman, actually quite a number of years ago back in 2004 he had a project where he got churches to sign a letter to say that they believed in evolution and would set the weekend before Darwin’s birthday, or after Darwin’s birthday, around about then, and this year it’s February 9-12, to set that time aside as evolution week and to teach evolution in churches. So, there’s a number of things that actually happen across the nation by these atheist humanists who not only want to celebrate Darwin, but they want to get the church to celebrate Darwin. Because they know if you believe in Darwinian evolution, and that life arose by natural processes, and reject the Bible, then that will help their atheism to be able to permeate the culture more.
They almost seem religious about this, Ken, literally.
A Romans 1 Problem
Well, they are. This is a religious celebration. Really, the resolution they want to pass in the House and the Senate, which hasn’t passed and in previous years and I doubt it will pass again, it’s really to set aside a day to basically worship Darwin, to basically worship nature, to say that life arose by natural processes. They look on Darwin as the high priest, they have such reverence for him.
And then this evolution weekend that really came out of an atheist’s idea trying to get the church to promote evolution. What they really want to do is worship Darwin. They worship the creature rather than the Creator. Romans 1 tell us that. That’s really what it’s all about and we see that happening before our very eyes.
It is, it is. That is exactly what’s happening. So, let’s take advantage of this day, then, with everybody talking about Darwin. What would you want people to remember about Charles Darwin, and what he studied, and what he wrote? And not what the religious fanatics of evolution now try to make it out to be. But you’ve studied him as much or more than anyone out there.
How would you sum up Charles Darwin and what he actually wrote?
Well, first of all, what Charles Darwin did was he wanted to explain life without God. He didn’t even have an understanding of DNA, he didn’t have an understanding of genetics as we understand today, and realise, it’s absolutely impossible for one kind to change into another. But that’s what he was really out to do – to try to explain life without God. So, he just looked at animals and saw that they changed and said, “Ah, given enough time, these changes cause one kind of animal to change into another.” Then, 12 years later, he wrote a book where he applied it to man.
What Charles Darwin Ultimately Wanted to Do
That’s what he ultimately wanted to do was to say that humans came about by natural processes, humans came from ape like creatures. And I’ll tell you a really sad part of that book which really relates to today. I think this brings, really, the matter home to us today. Darwin actually taught in the Descent of Man that there were savage races and advanced races.
And the savage races, he said, were going to be exterminated by the advanced races of humans. He put people like the Australian Aborigines and dark skinned people from Africa closer to the apes than people with light skin. Which means that Darwinian evolution fueled racism. And in the nineteen hundreds in America, one of the main biology textbooks used in the public school said there were five races of people and that the Caucasians were the highest race. That’s really promoting racism based on Darwinian evolution.
You know what Darwin’s legacy is? Darwin’s legacy is now generations of people who say there’s no God therefore they can decide truth themselves. Therefore, marriage is whatever you want to make it to be, get rid of spare kids, why not abort children? And also the racism and prejudice that permeates our culture – there’s Darwin’s legacy.
No doubt. And you’ve got eugenics and the 1900’s even here in the US. They can be– the people that pushed for all of that were quoting Darwin, and really fanatics about Darwin. Hitler, I mean, many things that happened that those very people said it was Darwin’s writings that caused them to believe what they believed.
Yeah, Darwin to them, because you know he talks about natural selection, and talking about changes in animals, and so on. To them that was a supposed scientific justification to say that life arose by natural processes, and then there were advanced races, and then you need to eliminate the deformed and the people who they considered weren’t fit for in society, the passed on their genes to others. You’re right, the eugenics movement that really Planned Parenthood came out of that movement. And it still is today when you think about it, when you see what they are trying to do.
A Devastating Legacy
So, Darwin has left a devastating legacy. And think about this – Darwin’s ideas are promoted all around the world. Just about everyone around the world – we go to an education system, or museums, or access to television, people have heard of Darwin. As you look at our whole culture where we have generations of kids now that are abandoning marriage. And you even have abortion organizations like the one in Cleveland Ohio that’s really glorifying abortion and promoting that in a big way.
You think of 60 million children that have been killed in their mother’s womb since Roe v.Wade. All this is a legacy of a philosophy that permeated our education system to teach generations of kids, “There is no God. You’re a result of natural processes.” It’s all part of Darwin’s legacy.
So, really on Darwin’s birthday and what they call evolution weekend, what we should be doing in churches is warning generations of parents and children what the real legacy of Darwin is. And giving them answers to show that it’s not Darwin who was right about the origin of life – it’s God’s word and that the history in the Bible is true. That’s why the gospel based in that history is true. That’s why the doctrines of morality based in that history is true. And using this time to help people understand the true history of the world beginning right there in the book of Genesis.
So good, so good, Ken. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you for speaking truth, for getting us educated on so many of these things. AnswersinGenesis.org is the website. Go there today, folks, find out more, and plan your vacation around the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter. Can’t encourage you enough to do that.
Ken, God bless you, brother. Keep up the great work.
Hey, thank you. Anytime.
Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.
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Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live. Thanks to Ken Ham for joining us today. And really do encourage you to go visit the creation museum and the Ark – it’s an amazing, amazing, experience. We’re back with David and Tim Barton.
Guys, Ken Lays it out – what a negative legacy, really. I’m surprised that we celebrate Darwin Day when you consider what he really begat.
Churches Celebrating Evolution Weekend
Well, yeah, you look at all that he had. And, man, all the legacy of generations of people who don’t know God and so you move toward abortion, toward a lack of marriage, toward racism, prejudice, eugenics, you get all that. But fortunately, we do have churches celebrating evolution weekend.
Oh my. That’s so crazy.
Well, and it’s crazy in history how we are selective of what we communicate. And how, when you pick heroes in history, and certainly Darwin being one of them, as you pick a hero from history, you want to emphasize the things you appreciate about him. I understand that. If you have a hero, you want to highlight who the hero is.
But how we’ve come in history to not even knowing the title of Darwin’s book, Origin of Species, is interesting. Because if you just read the title, the title says, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Now, most people could tell you Origin of Species is Darwin, but they don’t know that Darwin talked about the favored races. And how the darker you were, the more savage and less evolved you were, and the closer you were to white Caucasian, you were more evolved, and more developed, and therefore you deserve more rights, and this kind of stuff that unfolds.
In a culture that really doesn’t appreciate this bigoted notion that, right, we can’t be racist, and you can’t be sexist, and you can’t be gender phobic, and all these things. And yet somehow, we still are promoting Darwin who was very openly racist in his writings, who very much is anti blacks, or Aborigines, or Africans, or etc.. This is boggling to me how the left still presents this guy as a hero when, very clearly, the premise of his writings was not on the equality of man, was not all that all men are created equal, but that actually, no, no, no, there’s very different abilities, and very different rights given based on the color of your skin. This guy’s legacy really should not be highly applauded and favored.
Not to mention when he’s looking at microevolution and now asserting that it’s macroevolution – there’s a lot of things involved, a lot of fallacies. And even as evolutionary theory, but especially when it comes to racism, that seems totally ignored by most academics today.
Evolution Has Not Evolved
One of the things I find ironic about evolution is that it has not evolved. I was asked to do a law review article on the anniversary of the Scopes trial, what’s called the Scopes Monkey Trial. But that’s where evolution went on trial in Tennessee back in 1925. And so it was specifically, “What was the founding era on that? How did the Founding Fathers see evolution and creation?” Which they did.
And I was really kind of startled to find that every single thing that evolution proposes had been settled by 500 B.C.. So, we’re talking twenty five hundred years. Darwin didn’t come up with new stuff. All Darwin did was take 2,500 years, or at that time, 2,300 years of evolutionary thinking and synthesize it into one book. He just made it easy for people to read all the evolutionary thought, but the thought had been out there since 500 B.C..
So, here these guys are now 2,500 years later and they haven’t evolved their thinking. Which, as Ken pointed out, their concept that man evolved from one species to another and we now know from genetics and DNA that it is impossible to have interspecies evolution – it couldn’t have happened. You could not have gone from ape to man, or from fish and paramecium to a more complex, you can’t do it. And that’s modern science that, by the way, that is not a science on which there is a spiritual stranglehold – that is their own secular science. And so evolution refuses to evolve with the new information that comes out. They’re still living back 500 B.C..
Right. If evolution can’t follow the scientific method, right, where you can’t document, you can’t reproduce you. Basic scientific–
Now, wait a minute, you’ve got to remember scientific method was given us by a Christian and that’s part of the stranglehold that they’re trying to fight.
Just Take Evolution By Faith?
See, that’s where I needed to take things by faith, right. You just take evolution by faith–
–and not have to follow the scientific method for these things and–
The problem is like Frank Turek, “I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.”
I’d say, “Well–”. And Ray Comfort has a book that God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists. The point Ray makes is God is the only one who can be an atheist and He doesn’t believe they exist. Well, right, because as an atheist, you’d have to know all there is to know, you’d have to be everywhere all the time, you would have to be God in order to make an exclusive claim that there is no God and only God can make that claim, and God believes in Himself.
So, it really is boggling how unscientific some of this modern science is, but this is a lot of the legacy of Darwin again. And as people are are wanting to celebrate Darwin Day, there’s a lot of, lot, a lot, a lot, of flaws with a lot of what we promote in science today that gets credited to Darwin. And, even a lot of bad acts that have happened in America because of some of his racist notions that was even presented by Darwin. A lot of black history was lost and you could attribute much of that to Darwin Because as Darwin said, “Well, the black man’s not equal to the white man in a lot of regards.”
Then you have Woodrow Wilson, not too long after that, comes out with this history book where he removes the black man, or makes the black man look like he’s very much unevolved, and makes him closer to the monkey state, and the white man’s good. And Woodrow Wilson is putting this forward, Woodrow Wilson as a rebirth of the Klan. A lot of negative things that seem to be an outflow, certainly have roots in what Charles Darwin did.
One of the interesting things we do politically, and we’ve taught this before, but the Founding Fathers said the first of all you’re inalienable rights is the right to life. If you get that one wrong, all the others are wrong. And that’s why, today, if we know where someone is on the life issue, we can tell you how they’re going to vote on economic issues, how they’ll vote regulatory issues, etc. That life issue is the bellwether for a Constitutional worldview.
Charles Darwin, Political and Spiritual Bellwethers
On the other side, what you believe about creation is the bellwether of your theological worldview. If you don’t get the creation part right, that God made the heavens and the earth, then your theology will be off in every other aspect thereafter. If you get life wrong, your political actions thereafter will be wrong. But if you get evolution wrong, and creation wrong, your spiritual beliefs will be wrong thereafter.
Thanks for listening today, folks. Thanks to Ken Ham for joining us. We’ll have links to where you can go find out how to go visit the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter. Thanks again for listening to WallBuilders Live.