Making a Difference By Learning True History, Part One – With David Barton At The ProFamily Legislators Conference- Tune in to hear part one of David Barton’s presentation at the ProFamily Legislators Conference. David Barton is putting a biblical and historical perspective on an issue that has been a matter of great importance this past year – history.

Air Date: 12/27/2021

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This is the intersection of faith and the culture. It’s WallBuilders Live. We are talking about the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. I’m Rick Green, former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach, David Barton is America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders, and Tim Barton is a national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders.

And we want to take you out to the ProFamily Legislators Conference. We’ve been doing this over the last couple of weeks, just kind of interspersing some of those talks from the legislators conference that were just absolutely amazing, by the way. And if you missed any of those, be sure to go to our website today at You can get Mike Johnson, June Hunt, Kelly Shackleford, Rabbi Lapin, we’ve got David Barton’s presentation we’re actually going to be airing this week. And then there will be more in the weeks to come, including former Congressman Bob McEwen, who we absolutely love having him on the program and having him speak at the conferences as well.

So we are just chock full of good programming for you, as always, but these are just kind of special because these are folks we love and we love watching them share with the state reps and state senators across the country, and giving them a chance to be empowered with education and action steps to go back into their states and take that into their legislature. So it’s just good stuff and kind of cool that you get to hear it here on WallBuilders Live. So we’re actually going to take you out to the conference right now. This is David Barton at the ProFamily Legislators Conference.

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Let’s kind of look back over things that have happened the past year, see if we put a biblical, historical, constitutional perspective on them. At WallBuilders, that’s what we say are really our kind of motto is, to present America’s history and heroes with an emphasis on America’s forgotten religious, moral, and constitutional heritage.

So I want to take a look back by choosing an issue that’s been a lot in the news last year, and that’s been the issue of history. History, we’ve seen what’s happened with school boards, with CRT, with all sorts of other things. There’s a great quote from George Orwell where he says, “Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past.” I’m going to take that quote and break it into parts.

He says, “Who controls the present controls the past.” Well, who controls the present, the people right now teaching history, they’re the ones who control the past. So the ones who are in colleges and universities, the ones who are in high schools, and junior high’s and elementary schools across the nation, they control the past. This is what drives the past right now. So the present controls the past, and whoever controls the past controls the future.

So what’s being taught in classrooms right now is going to tell us what we’re going to be in the next generation. The very things that we teach about who we are as a people, what we’ve done, what we haven’t done, whether we have systemic problems or not, this is what determines who we will be. Now, this is what parents are starting to figure out right now at this point. This is significance of this.

What we are seeing today, the seeds were introduced back about 1980, actually, before that, but 1980 is when it really came to notice. And were told in Matthew 13, that there was a good field and the servants came to the master and said, hey, the enemy came in and sowed all sorts of tares in the field, what do we do? And the master said, well, it’s going to grow up, the wheat and the tares are going to grow up together, and there’s going to have to be a harvest at some point in time. That’s where we are now: the wheat and the tares have been growing up together. We’ve had people who said America’s got good stuff.

And then we had people like Howard Zinn, who was a history professor in the 1980, he came out this book ‘A People’s History of the United States’. What he did was he took everything bad and ugly about Americans and said this is what America is. Now, if I might point out from a historical standpoint, biblically, the Bible teaches the good, the bad, the ugly, about everything that happens. When you get the story of David, you have a great worshiper, you have a guy who wrote most of the book of Psalms, you have a guy that is held up as a hero of our faith. He’s such a good guy that God made a covenant with him.

And yet he wasn’t a perfect guy, because we’re told in the Bible, he was a lousy father. He did a terrible job of raising his own kids, whether it’s Amnon, or whether it’s Adonijah, whether it’s Absalom. And on top of that, he also committed adultery with Bathsheba and killed her husband, Uriah, which is not good stuff. So the Bible tells you the good, the bad, and the ugly. But David, while the bad and the ugly happen, that is not what defines him. What defined him as a person was the fact that he had a heart after God. He repented, he turned, he went the right direction, he acknowledged his fault. He did the right things. And what he did in the latter part of his life was really significant. That’s what we celebrate.

What Howard Zinn would have done is I’m going to tell you the story of David. And all I’m going to tell you is David and Bathsheba and David and his sons. If we only heard the story of David the way he would have told it, we would never read another Psalm in the Bible. We would cancel the book of Psalms in the Bible because there’s no way I can read a psalm from a guy who did that if that’s all we’re told. And that’s what he did about America. He didn’t tell the good, he told the bad and the ugly. And so we started getting a very jaundiced view of who we were as Americans, it’s called deconstruction. We’re going to tear this down. We’re going to make it look bad. We’ve seen it really come to fruition in the last 5-7 years. If you go back to the College Board and the College Board is what produces the SAT test, one of the two college-bound test, SAT, ACT, or the primary test. The College Board also does the AP courses. And there’s 47 Different AP courses, including AP US History.


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This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. What is the purpose of government? Founding Father Oliver Ellsworth believed he knew. Oliver Ellsworth was a delegate at the convention which formed the Constitution, and later he became the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court. Concerning the purpose of government, Oliver Ellsworth declared, “The primary objects of government are the peace, border, and prosperity of society.” Yet how are these goals to be achieved? Ellsworth explained “To the promotion of these objects, good morals are essential. Institutions for the promotion of good morals are therefore objects of legislative provision and support, and among these religious institutions are eminently useful and important.”

Founding Father Oliver Ellsworth believed government could never reach its goals apart from the help of religious institutions. For more information on God’s hand in American history, contact WallBuilders at 1808REBUILD.


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Now, AP course is something you take in high school, that if you’re really sharp kids, you’re going to get college credit while you’re still in high school. And what you know about education is it doesn’t matter how good your curriculum is, doesn’t matter how good your standards are, it’s testing the drives, everything. People teach to the test because that’s how you get out, that’s where you get merit, pay, everything else. So the test is what determines it.

So when David Coleman, the College Board came out in September 2014 with the new AP history standards, they’re 162 pages long. And as you go through the history standards to see what we learn about America, what’s more significant is what we don’t learn about America. Now, I’ve been appointed to a number of states by state board of education, by governors, others, to review the history and social studies standards in various states. What’s significant is I don’t look for what’s there, I look for what’s not there. I think what’s not there is more important than what is there.

I mean, nobody’s going to come out and say Abraham Lincoln dropped a nuclear weapon on Thailand in World War 12. We’d all laugh and say that’s stupid, Abraham Lincoln didn’t have nuclear weapons. We didn’t go to war with Thailand. There’s never been World War 12. But if they just didn’t say anything at all about Abraham Lincoln, a lot of people would notice that. So you start looking for what’s not there because what gets dropped out tells you a whole lot about what’s about to come.

And so when you look at what’s not in the standards, it’s interesting. You go through oops, and this went on its own, well, it had its own mind. I’m going to back you up anyway. I’m going to show you some of the previous stuff. What is not there is what you may have seen is none of the Founding Fathers. So those guys are all gone. So we have an American history stuff, but no Founding Fathers. In the same way, there’s nothing in the American movement for independence, neither the first battle nor the last battle nor the battles between. There was Abraham Lincoln as a figure that didn’t exist.

So whether it says assassination and Lincoln Douglas debates, whether it’s the Emancipation Proclamation, the 13th Amendment, that’s not there. And if you don’t have Lincoln, you don’t have the Civil War. So there’s neither north nor south, no military generals, no military battle, presented an AP. This is the top history class for these kids. World War II, we don’t talk about any of the battles, whether they’re on the European side, or whether they’re on the Japanese Pacific side. We don’t talk about any of the major leaders, whether they were the European leaders, or whether they were the Pacific leaders. We don’t cover either side of World War II. We don’t even cover the enemy. We don’t cover Hitler. We don’t cover the Nazis. We don’t cover the Holocaust. All of this has gone from AP US history.

Now, there’s 460,000 students that take this in their senior year. So what we’re looking at now is 460,000 kids right now and going through American history and getting none of the stuff that we traditionally would have told about America. So if we don’t cover this, there’s got to be something because if you got 162 pages of standards, you got to be teaching something. What are you teaching? Well, what we do teach is we do teach about World War II, but with a little different perspective.

For example, we talked about the decision to drop the atomic bomb raised questions about American values. Now, this is interesting because we didn’t raise questions about Hitler’s values because Hitler wasn’t there. We didn’t talk about the Holocaust or Hitler. We didn’t raise questions about Japan’s values, or Italy’s values, Mussolini told jokers they weren’t there. But we do raise questions about American value. Literally, you can go through this course and come out thinking America was the bad guy in World War II, because you haven’t presented anything. And again, what’s missing is what’s more important oftentimes, and what’s there.

If you had known the history of Japan and the history of Germany, you wouldn’t buy this statement right here. But if you know the history, you don’t buy the statement. This is what’s happening with the critical race theory and other stuff. The only reason it’s getting traction right now is because we don’t know our own history. If we knew our own history, we would not buy into the stuff. We would laugh at the people saying this stuff because it’s ridiculous because we know our history, except we don’t know our history. So what happens?

So, I mean, how in the world does this raise questions about American values? Let’s do a quick review of World War II. World War II, there were 60 million lives lost during World War II, actually, closer to 68 million is the newer number they have now. And part of that occurred in the European theater, about 48 million, what they now stay in the European theater, and about 20 million in Pacific Theater.

The European Theater, let’s deal with it first. We finally brought World War II to an end in Europe when we decided it’s time to do a D-Day type invasion. It took America about four years to actually come up with the strength to do it. At the time that World War II began, we were still using World War I battleships and World War I biplanes in our Army Air Corps. We had decided that World War I was the war to end all wars, and we’re not going to go to war again, and we’re not going to do any military stuff, because that would encourage war and progressive thinking. And so we didn’t. And that made us easy to attack.

One of the things that we have a lot of fun with at WallBuilders is we have a daily radio program, and about once every three to four weeks, we’ll interview a World War II veteran. And I remember Tim and I were interviewing this guy, he was 18 years old in the war, he was the pilot of the B-24 Liberator bomber. And at the age of 18, he was in charge of the crew, and there was 10 people on the crew.

So here he is at 18. He said everybody on the crew was 18 years old, except one guy who was 22 and they called him Pops because he was so old at 22. And he talked about how they came in one day, had 107 holes in this B-24 Liberator. It was just such a tough boxcar that you just couldn’t shoot it out of the sky.

And as he was telling us what was going on, and again, we were recovering this thing about America wasn’t prepared for World War II, but Detroit got engaged in this. And every 55 minutes, we were returning a new bomber off the assembly line in Detroit. Every four days, we were turning at a liberty ship. And it’s amazing stuff what America did to mobilize, and it takes us, what is it, four years to come up with a website for a stupid health care plan, whatever it was under Obamacare. But we could turn out a new bomber every 55 minutes.

So we really mobilized, we got engaged. And it took us really till 1943, we went across North Africa and push the Germans and Italians out in North Africa. And now we’re ready to go to the mainland of Europe and push them out of there. So we did the D-Day invasion. So the D-Day invasion occurs, it’s called Operation Overlord. Now, we did that.

But now that we finished and Hitler has given up in Germany, it’s now time to turn our attention to Japan. We did not pay any attention really to the Pacific Theater. We did what we had to do over there. We were not prepared to fight a war on two fronts. And World War II is one of the things that helped us understand that you have to be able to fight a war on two fronts at the same time. So we put all of our attention now to Japan.

And as we go to the Pacific, we’re winning battles and as we’re winning battles and we did not lose a battle in the Pacific Theater, any major battle. We won them all. But Japan is not giving up. So the thought is what if we have to invade Japan like we did with D-Day? And so they made plans for what was called Operation Downfall.

Operation Downfall was here’s how we’ll invade Japan. Japan is refusing to give up, and they should have given up, they had no allies left. Hitler’s gone. Mussolini is gone. There is no access power left. It’s them and they’re losing every single battle. There’s no reason for them to stay in the war, but they refuse to give up. So we say we’ve been bombing them from the air, you know, all the stuff that General Curtis LeMay, the Army Air Corps, we’ve been taken beat 29th all over Tokyo, dropped traditional bombs in Tokyo, killed 100,000 Tokyo with traditional bombs and they still won’t give up. And so we’re doing all these bombing and say they won’t give up. What do we have to invade? And so in planning what might happen, we found out the Japanese, we have to plan differently because they have a culture that glorified death in dying.


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It’s all about your ancestors. And if you die, well, that’s a great honor to your ancestors. If you give up, you’re a coward. And so the way that they looked at death and dying, we saw them to be very different people. They’re much like what we would consider be the ISIS in today’s culture.

ISIS has a twisted value system that just most of us can’t understand how they think and why they do what they do, whether it’s Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaeda, any other group. So what you find is mass suicides were very common. As we were moving into the Pacific theater and we did the island hopping we did Guadalcanal, we did Jima, we found that the casualties were exceptionally high. We won battles, but the Japanese casualties were through the roof. Because among other things, the Japanese, every family was given a hand grenade and said if the Americans win, make sure you blow yourself and your family up. That’s the honorable thing to do. You never surrender. So blow yourself up.

So you could be down to just a handful of guys taking on the entire army and you won’t surrender because that’s the honorable thing to do, it’s fight till you’re all dead. So the casualty numbers are through the roof. Mass suicides were part of what they did again, families blowing each other up.

Chinese genocide, we know that Hitler killed 6 million Jews. We rarely hear the Japanese murdered 10 million Chinese. They wanted to wipe out China, wipe out the Chinese. They’re still huge antipathy today between the Chinese and the Japanese. The Japanese actually sent their troops into Korea, brought the women out of Korea as sex slaves for their soldiers, much like ISIS does. There’s just so much tension among those nations over there as a result of World War II.

So the Chinese genocide, the beheadings that went on, there were 10 million of the Chinese killed. In the same ways, the Japanese trained their teenagers to deliver suicide bombs. 3,400 suicide bombs were delivered by teenagers. Sounds a whole lot like ISIS, it doesn’t sound like Japan we know today. Japan we know today is not the Japan that we fought in the war. They were reconstructed by America. MacArthur went in and made a big change in seven years with them. So 3,500 suicide bombs, teenagers were doing these.

We also didn’t just have torpedoes in airships. They were manned torpedoes. We actually had Japanese who would drive the torpedo. Why not just let a submarine shoot it and sink the ship? No, because it’s glory to die for your country. It’s great thing for your ancestors. So they actually had manned torpedoes. In the same way, prisoner treatment, they had beheading competitions in the prisoner of war camps to see which of their officers could be had 100 prisoners the fastest. And they often had to have runoff. Man, that was a tie. Let’s bring out 10 more prisoners and see who can do the 10 fastest.

I mean, the beheadings, the executions were terrible. This really showed up with the treatment of American prisoners of war. We had death marches. Anybody that was sick or hurt or fell out was killed on the spot. This is actually one of the World War II banners or World War II war bond posters at [inaudible 17:59] at US wounded ambushed on Pacific Island. We learned early on how the Japanese thought about prisoners.

One of the things that happen early in the war was American submarine was captured by the Japanese. The Japanese sailors took every American seaman up on top of that submarine laid him down on the deck and took a sledgehammer and squashed every head, just like a melon, went down to everyone of them. Man, these guys they’re not like the normal enemies we have. They really are different in it.

So what they did to Americans, they literally were cultured to glorified death and dying. And so this is why they won’t give up. They have no reason to be in the war except this is the way they think. And so the question is okay, if we have to do this, this Operation Downfall, if we have to make an invasion Japan, what’s it going to cost? What are the casualties?

General Curtis LeMay, who was over the Army Air Corps became the Air Force General after the Army Air Corps came the Air Force, he got the estimates back and said, well, if we invade Japan, given the mentality they have, given the fact of what we’ve been doing to them, we’ve been bombing them from the air, they still won’t surrender, we’re looking at 1 million Americans will probably die as a result of invasion. We’re looking at another 2-4 million allied deaths counting the French and the British, the Australians, those that would have to invade with us. And you’re going to have to kill somewhere between 5 and 10 million Japanese before they give up. So you’re looking at 15 million deaths if you have to invade.

They gave that option to President Truman, President Truman had that option. And they said, by the way, President Truman last week, we just tried a bomb that worked out in the desert over here. Maybe that’s something you want to consider. And literally, it was the week before that we’d had a successful test of the atomic bomb. So the week before, and Truman says no, we’re not doing 15 million, use that bomb.

So what happened becomes significant because we ended up dropping the bomb first Hiroshima August 6th, 1945, three days later, August the 9th, 1945, Nagasaki. Now as a result of those two bombs, the war comes to an end. There are 150,000 deaths caused by the blast, 150,000 deaths caused by the radiation. So there’s 300,000 deaths. But compare that to the possibility of 15 million.

So I’m not sure what the problem is with American values here. We could have killed 15 million, but we only killed 300,000. You’re upset at us and by the way, we didn’t start this thing. And they should have surrendered a long time before and we gave them lots of options to. And then let’s also talk about American values and something else that happened. Because the 300,000 that were killed in the two bombs is less than what the Japanese killed in one prisoner of war camp.

According to war historians, there was one Japanese prisoner of war camp where they beheaded more than 300,000. This happens to be an Australian prisoner who’s been beheaded at the time. This is one of the famous pictures from back in the day. So we kill less with two atomic bombs than what they killed with beheading in a prisoner of war camp. And we’re the bad guys in this somehow? And so you continue on about this.

And you say, well, the other thing that’s interesting is we didn’t drop bombs. And by the way, we were doing traditional bombing of other islands coming in, like in Tokyo. We did not bomb a city in Japan till we had first dropped 70 million leaflets into Japan. And interesting thing about these leaflets is the 70 million leaflets on the back, it says Japanese people, we don’t want to hurt any Japanese person, but we are going to destroy military facilities here. On the back of these leaflets, they list a total of 35 cities that are going to be targeted by the American allies, including Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


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This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently overturned the jury sentence of a man convicted of the brutal murder of a 71-year-old woman because the prosecuting attorney had mentioned a Bible verse in the courtroom.

Yet consider what happened in the 1778 case, Respublica versus John Roberts. Thomas McCain, a signer of the Declaration of Independence was the Chief Justice of that court. In addressing John Roberts after the jury had sentenced him to death for treason, McCain told him, “You will probably have but a short time to live. Before you launch into eternity, it behooves you to repent of your evil deeds, to be incessant, in prayer to the great and merciful God to forgive your manifold transgressions and sins to teach you to rely on the merit and passion of a dear Redeemer.” This prominent founding father actually delivered a salvation message to the defendant in the courtroom.

For more information on God’s hand in American history, contact WallBuilders at 1808REBUILD.


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We told them the cities we were going to. We said we don’t want to hurt a single civilian. So we’re giving you four warning to get out of these cities. We are going to destroy the military plants there because we’re going to stop the war. But we don’t want to hurt a single civilian. Now, if you’re an allied pilot, if you’re a United States Air Corps pilot, this is not good news because you’ve now told the enemy where you’re going to attack.

So guess where all the anti-aircraft guns were, 35 cities have anti-aircraft guns waiting for the Americans. So we went out of the way to save the lives of the enemy who’ve been killing us and killing our soldiers and sailors. And we’re telling them that we’re coming after you. And on top of that, we also capture the island of Saipan, set up the radio station KSI. Every 15 minutes, we broadcast on the mainland of Japan, said the Japanese people, that big bomb is coming. We have one bomb that will do what 2,000 B-29. So you’ve seen what a B-29 can do? You saw what happened in Tokyo? We have one bomb that will do what 2,000 B-29… Get away. Move away from those areas.

We told them. We broadcast every 15 minutes to get them away from there. And I mean, maybe you guys got this in history. Anybody get this kind of stuff in history? Probably very few of us did. If we had this stuff in history, might we have a different view of World War II? And if we knew this part of history, would we buy into this thing about questioning American values? So you know, this is what kids, they’re being taught you need to question American values.

And by the way, can you name other nations that defeat a nation and then go in and rebuild it afterward? This is Nagasaki today after we rebuilt it. When Douglas MacArthur was given charge of reconstruction, Japan, he said first thing, if we’re going to change these people, he said, the first thing I need is missionaries. He asked for 5,000 Christian missionaries to come and he asked for boatloads of Bibles to come.

You’ll find that in the next three years, the Bible was the number one bestselling book in Japan. That’s kind of interesting. Now the Japanese people are not Christian people today, but the Bible helped re-change their thinking on everything, instead of just land being to the elite wealthy, suddenly everybody could own land, suddenly women could vote and women could be involved in politics and whole culture changed. MacArthur, within only seven years, the world voted to invite them back to the United Nations, let them be part of the rest of the world because they’re really a civilized people today. Seven years is all it took to rebuild that.

So this is the rest of the story. And again, this is not what you get. What you get is deconstruction. We’re going to tell you how bad America is by leaving out all the things you should know about America. So this is part of what’s going on. How bad is it? Well, the American College of Trustees and Alumni, which represents the College Boards, the region boards alumni boards, all these different boards, every year, they look to see how are colleges handling different topics. And they decided, let’s look at the history majors.

If you go to college to be a history major, what happens while you’re there? And they choose to look only at that year’s listing of U.S. News & World Report elite colleges and universities in America. So that particular year, there were 74 elite colleges and universities in America. They call the study “America’s Past Passed Over”. And what they found was they said if you go to the 74 elite, U.S. News & World Report, if you go to the 74 universities to get a history degree, as 62 of the 74 universities, you will not have a single course in American history, not one.


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