Alligators Bite When Draining the Swamp! Senator Pat Colbeck Tells One Of His Own Swamp Tales!

Alligators Bite When Draining the Swamp! Senator Pat Colbeck Tells One Of His Own Swamp Tales!  Sometimes when you drain the swamp people get very unhappy, because that swamp is their terrain. We are seeing that not only in Washington, D.C. but also at the state level as Colbeck can personally testify. The prospect of power and influence create incumbent swamp dwellers that lose focus of who they are really serving. They begin to serve themselves and their personal interests, not those of the people who elected them. But we need to always be willing to stand firm- with joy! God is certainly able to bring good out of any situation.

Air Date: 11/08/2017


Guests: Pat Colbeck, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture.  Thanks for joining us today on WallBuilders Live where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture.  All of it’s from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton.  He’s America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor, and the president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.

You can find out more about us and the organization at WallBuildersLive.com.  That’s our website for the radio program itself. You can get archives of the last few months, and also a list of all of our stations across the country where we can be heard.

Then also WallBuilders.com is our main website. And there is a wealth of information there for you, and tools for you to use to be a better citizen. David, Tim, later in the program, Senator Pat Colbeck will be with us from Michigan.

When Draining the Swamp, The Swamp People Get Very Unhappy

We’re going to be talking about draining the swamp. And sometimes when you drain the swamp people get very unhappy.  Because that swamp is kind of their terrain and they like having that. We’re seeing that in Washington, D.C. right now.  Man, and people are- some of the D.C. longtimers are just going crazy, because of some of the things Trump is doing to really upset their apple cart.

How Colonel Brian Birdwell Explains “Draining the Swamp”

David:

You know that phrase “draining the swamp?” The first time I really heard that in any kind of a context was Colonel Brian Birdwell. And Brian Birdwell was the guy who was in the Pentagon when the plane hit on 9/11, ran over him. He was in the flame of the jet fuel, he survived. 39 surgeries later, he’s now a Texas state legislator, really good friend.  He was saying, “Look here’s the deal-”

And we had him to speak to pastors briefings all the time, and he gave a really good perspective on the war on terror. And he said, “Here’s 9/11.  But let’s back up for 20-25 years.”  He talked about, and he showed a list of terrorist incident after terrorist incident.

I don’t know if folks even remember the Achille Lauro or TWA.   All these things that happened- terrorist attacks, Torreon, Spain; the Beirut bombings, twice; the embassies in Nigeria- and all these things where Americans are being attacked all over the world. And he points out that it all came out of one region. It all came out of one area. That Iraq-Iran area, that Afghanistan area.

You Can Live With the Mosquitos, Or You Can Decide To Start Draining The Swamp and Get Rid of Them

He said, “And what you can do, is you can learn to live with all the mosquitoes that come out of the swamp.  You can learn to live with all the diseases they carry, and all the damage they do, and all the death they cause.  Or at some point, you can decide you’re going to go in and start draining the swamp and get rid of all the mosquitoes.”

And he said that’s what the war on terror was all about. We’d had 25 years of the mosquitoes coming out of the swamps, and giving deadly disease to Americans all over the globe.  And we finally said after 9/11- and by the way, the Trade Centers were hit twice the first time. It had a thousand casualties killed and wounded, but they didn’t come down. And so they hit them again the second time, and they came down.

You Have To Be Draining the Swamp or You Will Be Fighting the Bad Consequences Forever

And he points out we- you’ve got to be draining the swamp, or you are going to be fighting this stuff forever. These mosquitoes- And from that context, I really understood more of what Trump was trying to say, is you’re going to keep fighting the bad consequences that come from this crazy town up here, unless you are draining the swamp and getting the stuff out of here, and root it up, and get it purged, get it disinfected.  Then maybe you get a shot at having freedom again- having a Constitutional Republic, etc.

Rick:

And when you do that, the mosquitoes aren’t happy. The alligators aren’t happy. They’re going to push back. It’s just the nature of it.

Stay with us, we’re going to find out about some of that pushing back, both at the federal and the state level. And how do we respond to that? Especially as Christians, when our joy and our attitude is based on Who’s we are- not where we are, what people are saying about us, or what’s happening.

We’ll be back in a moment.  You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. After the final victory at Yorktown, the Continental Army awaited the outcome of peace negotiations with Great Britain.

Pastor Israel Evans, a chaplain in the army, proposed to George Washington that they build a structure where church services can be held during the months of waiting. Washington approved the plan and urges officers to ensure that the soldiers attend that service.

Pastor Evans further knew if we were to secure the liberties they had fought for, sound education would be crucial.

He declared, “Every parent and every friend to the freedom of his country ought to be attentive to the improvement of our youth and the principles of freedom and good government. And then the people will stand fast in their liberty for a long time.” Our schools today need to return to teaching the principles of freedom and good government in order for America to survive and prosper. For more information about Pastor Israel Evans and other colonial Patriots go to WallBuilders.com

The Reaction of Legislators Sometimes Is the Result of Power Plays

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live.  Thanks for staying with us today. We’re still here with David and Tim Barton.  And guys we’re talking about draining the swamp and the reaction that happens sometimes.

And for people that aren’t really involved necessarily, in the legislative side of things or even really intense in politics, sometimes they don’t realize that the way that people push back sometimes is it’s the power plays. It’s the committee assignments. It’s the campaign endorsements. It’s some of these little things, that you may not really see sometimes.  But it’s used to hinder those who are draining the swamp and actually make things operate in a much more fair fashion.

David:

Well, if you look at committees. If you’re on the Armed Service Committee in Congress, if you’re on the Budget Committee, Ways and Means,  if you’re on the Intelligence Committee.  I think there’s, what is it 19 committees there? But if you’re on those four or five, your chances of reelection are a whole lot higher. Now if they put you over at the Janitorial Committee- sorry that doesn’t help you get re-elected.

Buying Committee Spots For Preferential Treatment That Helps You Be An Incumbent And Stay in Power

And so you get this preferential treatment, that helps you be an incumbent, and stay in power. If you do the things that will put you on that committee, and I think they were essentially selling committee chairmanships for $1.2 million. So if you want to be a committee chairman then you have to contribute $1.2 million to our reelection stuff. If you want to be on the prime committees it’s $400,000 you have to raise for the national party.

Rick:

Basically buying committees spots.

Unwritten Protocol Rules Legislators Have

David:

Yeah, exactly. And so what happens- and you remember, Rick, as a legislator, they got all these unwritten protocol rules.  “Hey, it’s my district. It may be the state of Texas, but you stay in your district.  I’ll stay in mine. And don’t come into mine without telling me you’re coming into…” That’s not your district is the people’s district- belongs to the state of Texas.

But legislators get these little lines laid out, where that, “You can’t come into my district and speak to a group unless you tell me.” Well, we’ve got a friend in Michigan, who’s a state senator there, Pat Colbeck, who is now running for governor of Michigan. Guess what? As governor, you run in every county across the state. Which means all the senators, all the reps- you’re going to be in their district. Because you’re running for a statewide office.

Everybody knows that. But the Senate majority leader- Pat, went in and did a campaign event in his district. And the Senate majority leader and Pat’s a senator-

Rick:

And actually, it wasn’t even a campaign event. He actually was attending a pro-life-

David:

Oh, that’s right.  You’re right.

Rick:

Dinner, a pro-life event.

David:

It was. He was not doing a campaign event.  He went to a pro-life thing. But he did not call the- he did not bow at the foot of the “gods.” And he did not tell-

Senator Pat Colbeck Was Kicked Off Every Committee For Not Notifying Sen. Majority Leader That He Was A Attending A Pro-Life Event In Majority Leader’s District

Rick:

Kiss the ring, right?

David:

He did not kiss the ring, and say, “I’m coming into your district to do a- I’m going to be part of a pro-life event.” And so for showing up in the district without notifying the majority leader of the Senate, the majority leader of the Senate kicked him off every single committee.  Stripped every committee assignment. He is now a senator serving on no committees, doing no work outside of his district.

Tim:

I guess the good news is he has more time for the governor’s race.

David:

That’s the way I looked at.  That’s exactly the way I looked at it!

Rick:

Did anybody else picture- have a picture in there mind of Michael Corleone waiting?  They’re coming in to kiss the ring of the Godfather? It really feels like that.  You didn’t pay the respects to the people that hold the power.

Tim:

Rick, it would have been a lot better if you could use that voice from the Godfather. I could not pull it- But yeah, it does.

Rick:

“I’ma make you an offer you can’t refuse.”

That’s the best I can do.

Tim:

That’s the one.  That’s the one.

But Now Senator Colbeck Can Use That Time To Campaign For His Governor race in Michigan

David:

But see, I go a generation before you guys because I go back to Uncle Remus, “Oh, please don’t throw me in the briar patch. Please don’t throw-” And course, that’s where he wanted to be all the time.

And it’s like you meant this to punish Pat.  But now he’s got all this time to be able to campaign in your district.  You can’t punish him anymore.

I mean you take it, his committee assignments away.  He can spend the rest of the time even going and campaign against you if he wants to. Which is- but it’s just so petty. How these things get so petty.

You Run Into the Same Kind of Stuff at the State and Federal Levels When Draining the Swamp

But it’s interesting.  Pat’s draining the swamp there in Michigan, and run into the same kind of stuff at the state level that they’re running into at the federal level and draining the swamp at the federal level. Thought that would be a really fun perspective to have. What happens when you start draining the swamp anywhere from dogcatcher all the way through the federal capital?

Rick:

And how do you keep a good attitude, and have- keep that joy at the same time? Senator Pat Colbeck our guest today.  Stay with us! You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip

Tim:

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We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties  and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at www.WallBuilders.com. And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor’s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

Senator Pat Colbeck From Michigan

Rick:

Welcome back! Thanks for talking with us here on WallBuilders Live. Our good friend, Senator Pat Colbeck from Michigan, with us today. Senator, always good to have you sir.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Oh, great to be with you.

Rick:

Thanks for coming back. We had you on, I don’t know- a few months ago, just talking about some more of these victories. You guys have done some great things there in Michigan. And I was thrilled to be up there with y’alls Right To Life organization for dinner recently.  A lot of folks at the table singing your praises, man.  Talking about all the good things that you all have accomplished there. So congrats once again!

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Oh, it’s good to hear. Thanks for coming on up here, and helping us out.

Great Victories In Michigan, But In the Midst of Victory There are Still Squabbles

Rick:

Absolutely. Well, you guys even in the midst of victory in some areas, sometimes our listeners don’t realize that- even when you’re on the same team, sometimes you have some bad squabbles. And even within the conservative, or certainly the Republican circles, there are battles between conservatives and moderates and certainly power struggles. And you’re experiencing, I guess, a negative side of that right now there in Michigan.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Yeah, I wish I was on for some better news.  But you remember Ted Cruz’s book “A Time for Truth?”

Rick:

Yes.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

The Swamp Tales Are Not Just in D.C., They Occur at the State Level As Well

And he had this chapter in there called “Mendacity.” And I remember reading that for my wife.  We’re actually staying up that night.   I actually read it to her, which is something very unusual. And by the end of it, my wife is sitting there going, “That’s you.” And on the Ted Cruz side of the fence- not on the other side of the fence.

Rick:

Right.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

And really, and what I wanted to do is make sure everybody understood that this kind of- these swamp tales, that we sometimes hear about in D.C., they actually occur at the state level as well. Figured we’d share a little bit of the swamp tale with the listeners.

Rick:

Yeah. And you’re right. I mean some people think the swamp is just in D.C.  It’s not.  I mean anywhere you have power, anywhere you have the opportunity for the depravity of man to step forward- it’s going to do so. And even in state politics, very often that’s the case. And I just want to say up front, Senator, my son and I so enjoyed coming up there when you first ran for the Senate as a long shot candidate.

If You’re Making Victories And Being Successful, You’re Likely to Be Attacked

And coming up there, you had us come out and we helped. And you won that campaign and shocked a lot of people over the last few years with what you’ve been able to get done in the state of Michigan, that most people considered an iffy state. Who would have thought, you would’ve gotten right to work.  So many pro-life, and all these different things done over the last few years.

So I can see why, with those kinds of victories, you’re not- if you’re taking flack, you must be over the target. They only tackle the guy with the ball.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Yeah.

Rick:

I can see why they’ve come after you and stripped you now of these committee assignments and all these things.  Just because- frankly because it looks like it’s just because you’re running for governor.

When You’re Draining the Swamp- The Alligators Will Bite

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Yeah. I think Newt Gingrich put it best, “You shouldn’t be surprised if while you’re draining the swamp, the alligators start biting.”

Rick:

That’s good.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

And it is true. And we have had a lot of victories in Michigan, and we’ve done a lot of good things. There’s a lot more good things to do. And by the way, when it comes to this discussion, I encourage all your listeners to get both sides of the story.

So I’m just telling it from my perspective, and I can tell all the listeners that I have been nothing but straightforward and focused on policies, and not getting personal with anybody. But sometimes that’s not enough when you’re taking a stand for the right thing.

Rick:

Yeah, no doubt about it. And this story, by the way, you were on Hannity about this.  In fact, Sean Hannity’s endorsed you in the Gubernatorial race.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Yeah.

Senator Colbeck Was Stripped of All His Committee Assignments For Not Notifying Sen. Majority Leader, Arlan Meekhof,  That He Was Going to Be In Meekhof’s District

Rick:

Partly because of this, I would think, because he sees these kinds of attacks on someone that’s conservative. But tell us what happened.  I mean you’re sitting at a similar dinner to what I spoke at just a couple of weeks ago, there in Michigan. A pro-life dinner and you find out you’ve been stripped of your committee assignments. Why?

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Well, when I came back from it. It was a Right To Life event in Holland, Michigan, which is in the District of our Senate Majority Leader, Arlan Meekhof. And the next day, he came up to me and said, “I really would have appreciated if you would have shown me the courtesy of letting me know you are going to be in my district.”

And I’ve been on a statewide campaign for a long time.  The senator has not been very gracious, to say the least. In regards to committee chairmanships, I was also the only senator that returned without any committee chairmanships. So let’s just say, we haven’t always seen eye to eye on policy debates.

Senate Majority Leader Accused Colbeck of Insubordination

And so he came up to me, and when I said that was, that’s disappointing. I mean, I’m not going to go off and notify you for campaign events on it.  Because if I were to do that with my Senate resources, there would be a misappropriation of Senate resources for the campaign. And when he wanted to have further discussion on it, I said I’d rather actually take it up with the caucus. And he called me out for insubordination.

Who Are We Really Serving?

And I reminded him that I worked for the citizens of Michigan, not for him. I don’t think he took very kindly to that observation. But that’s where it really comes down to is who are we really serving? And sadly, I think a lot of this came out, and committee assignment removal had to do with our recent progress and advances around our Gubernatorial campaign.

So we just came off of a Michigan GOP leadership conference at Mackinac Island.  And we’re making a very strong presence. Matter of fact, I think we shocked the pants out of a lot of folks that were up there because we had a lot of support. And because I’ve been going all around the state, talking about policies like free market, health care reform, repealing common core, how to fix the roads without raising taxes, and all of these were in direct opposition to the policies that the senate majority leader is proposing.

They Prefer That I Just Sit Quietly And Vote “No”

And what’s at the heart of all of this is that they do not want me being a vocal advocate for the policy positions in which I ran for office. What they prefer is that I just sit quietly and just vote, “No.” And I don’t know about you, when you were serving, this is about advocating for the policies that are right for the people of your state. It’s not about going off and sitting quietly as people get ran over with bad policy.

Rick:

Yeah, yeah. And to be in this situation, you’re talking in the middle essentially of the year, to be stripped of committee assignments like this. I mean this is a pretty obvious power play.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Yeah, it was very much so. And just to put this in perspective for the listeners, the only precedent for removing somebody from committee assignments, was when a Democratic senator decided to engage in target practice on his ex-wife’s car.

Rick:

Well, I mean, this is comparable, right?   Of shooting your ex-wife’s car and showing up to support a pro-life event.  Um, in the senator’s district without kissing the ring and call.   I mean, it’s unbelievable that such a step would be taken.

How are your supporters taking this? And people across the state? I mean Hannity obviously had you on about it as a big deal.  What about within the state there?

The Response Has Been Outrage

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Oh, the response has been outrage. Matter of fact, we’ve got supporters that are spontaneously organizing protests all across the state. They’ve been calling, not only Senate majority leader’s office, but all my Senate colleagues to encourage them to speak out against this.

There are committees that are forming resolutions and all kinds of different resolutions all across the state. I’m trying to stay away from all that stuff and let nature take its course there. But there are people that are extremely upset with the way this is done. Because this is really an indicator of everything that President Trump’s been saying, is a characteristic of the swamp.

People Are Serving Their Own Best Interests- Not Those of the People In the State

This is where there are people are serving their own best interests, not the best interests of people in the state. And when I go out and talk about free market principles around health care, and I talk about policies that are in opposition to that being promoted by leadership- it is frowned upon and this is the penalty or price you have to pay when you do that.

The Alligators Will Bite, But Don’t Be Discouraged

Rick:

Yeah. No doubt. And, Pat, part of the reason we wanted to have you on, is to let people know when you make progress in this arena.  Just like the quote you gave from Gingrich, “When draining the swamp, the alligators are going to bite.” And not to be discouraged by that.

And that’s what I love your attitude, and you’re just forging straight ahead. You just have a peace about it. And that’s the way we need to be.

We’re going to- whether we see what’s happening in Washington is the swamp is getting drained there.  And obviously all kinds of battles and difficult things. We see it in the school choice movement, as the teacher unions do everything they can to hold on to that power.  Not let go. And so, this is just the nature of the beast.

Two Take-Home Lessons: Stand Firm And Keep Your Joy

But the take-home lessons I think are: Don’t give up when you see that and run for the hills and say, “I don’t want the fight.” And too, just to keep your joy. And to have a good attitude, and to be that happy warrior that Reagan talked about. And that’s why I wanted you to come on and talk about this. Because I think it’s a great example of how to maintain your peace and joy in the midst of fight, even when you’re getting hit below the belt.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Absolutely. Well, you know my daily Bible readings have been stuck on James 1:12 for the last week- ever since this surfaced.  And it’s, “Blessed is a man who stands firm amidst the trials of life. For when he has stood the test, he’ll receive a crown of life for which is promised by God for all those who love him.” And that’s- it’s really weird how it’s been stuck on that.

Rick:

Yeah.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

But it’s just so true.

What the Enemy Had Intended for Evil, Has Actually Turned Around for Good

Rick:

Well, just back up a couple of verses there too, buddy.  “Count it all joy when you experience various trials.” Right? So that’s why-

Senator Pat Colbeck:

You’re right, I struggle on the joy sometimes on this.  I gotta admit. But it is- I know who I’m doing it for. I sleep well at night.  And that’s what it’s all about. And I want to give other folks encouragement. Because in this case, what the enemy had intended for evil, has actually turned around for good.  This is a case where you just stay focused on what is noble, and true, and excellent, and praiseworthy, and good things start happening. And it’s not easy.  You’re never promised it would be easy.  But there are some good things on the other side of this.

Rick:

Yeah.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

And I’m looking forward to it.

Looking Forward to More Victories

Rick:

Well, hey man, keep up the great work. We appreciate you coming on. Look forward to having you on with some more policy victories there in Michigan. Really excited about what you guys are accomplishing on life and so many other issues. So keep up the great work, brother.  Look forward to seeing you at the ProFamily Legislators Conference.

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Hey, that’s great. And if people want to follow along on what we’re doing in Michigan, just please go to PrincipledSolutionsForMichigan.com. And we need it.  It’s time to get back to core principles, and those are the best solutions for all of our citizens.

These Principled Solutions Only Work- Every Time They’re Tried

Rick:

Amen!  And the only problem with these principled solutions- as our mutual friend, Bob McEwen, always says–

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Yeah.

Rick:

“They only work every time they’re tried.”

Senator Pat Colbeck:

You got it! You got it. Looking forward to seeing you again.

Rick:

Hey Pat, have a good one, brother!

Senator Pat Colbeck:

Alright, you too.  Knock them alive!

Rick:

Thanks for coming on. Stay with us folks! We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Biographical Sketches

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Moment From American History

This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. The key to a self-governing nation is self-governing people. And the key to personal self-government is to live by the standards in God’s word. If someone cannot control himself by those standards then our Constitution certainly will be unable to restrain him.

Understanding this, John Adams declared, “We have no government armed with power, capable of continuing with human passions, unbridled by morality, and religion. Greed, ambition, revenge, or seduction would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is holy and adequate to the government, of any other.”

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Senator Pat Colbeck Has Been One of Those Strong Champions in Michigan

Rick:

Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Back with David Barton now. Thanks to Senator Pat Colbeck for coming on the program- again! We’ve actually had him on so many issues, where Michigan was moving forward the right direction. And he and several of these legislators from Michigan have been coming to the ProFamily Legislators Conference for years. And then taking those ideas, going back and getting them passed in Michigan. Or bringing some of the ideas of the things they did, and sharing them with our other legislators at the conference.

Tim:

Yeah, and Pat’s been one of the champions from Michigan doing that, Rick, as you’re saying. Every year, as we kind of have different ideas of things that states are going to battle. Pat’s been one of those strong champions. And when you look at Michigan, I had no idea. I spoke to a couple of Right To Life events in Michigan this fall. And I had no idea how pro-life Michigan was. So many things about Michigan and how conservative they are in areas, and things they’ve done. I had no idea.

Colbeck Has Gotten A Lot of Publicity And Support Through This

In Texas, I guess sometimes we get in our Texas bubble and we forget there are 49 other states out there. But Michigan has done some really incredible things.  And Pat’s been at the head of that.

And one of the interesting takeaways from even the midst of this attack is he’s gotten a lot of publicity from your Sean Hannity, your Mark Levin kind of guys. Where they’re coming out. And he’s getting support from places that.  Running for governor- I wouldn’t necessarily have expected him to maybe get some of the support. But when this silly Senate majority leader starts kicking him off committees-

People Like Senator Majority Leader Arlan Meekhof, Are the Epitome Of “the Swamp”

David:

And by the way, let’s call him by name. I think his name is Arlan Meekhof. He deserves to be mentioned- I mean the hall of shame. When you’re this petty, and you are looking- I just can’t use all the adjectives I’d like to use here. But that apparently is the Senate Majority Leader is Arlan Meekhof.

Tim:

Well, and you’re right. When you have guys that are doing this, that they really have just labeled themselves “the Swamp” that people are trying to drain.

David:

Yeah, that’s right.

Tim:

You are the epitome of the problem. Which is why, now Pat’s gotten some of these endorsements from places, that again you wouldn’t have expected him to. But this is certainly one of those moments where I guess we could even look from a Biblical perspective, and see how God can cause all things to work together for good. Well, it seems like there’s some good that’s come out of this, from some of the support and endorsement Pat’s gotten.

There Will Be Opposition When Draining the Swamp- But God Certainly Can Work All Things Together for Good

David:

The verse he used, was- and people may not recognize that this is a quote that Joseph gave to his brothers. He said, “You meant this for evil, but God turned it for good. You sold me into slavery thinking it was going to be bad for me, but God used it to save your lives.”

And so that’s the perspective he’s got- is God’s able to turn this around. And man, what a great guy, what a champion he’s been. He’s been tested in the fire, and now he’s being thrown back into the fire. But I think this is the place he wants to be because this is exactly where it will help launch him into hopefully a state leadership position for the state of Michigan.

Rick:

Special thanks to Senator Pat Colbeck for his time today being on the program. Thank you for listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.

2017-11-09T15:11:55+00:00 November 8th, 2017|Government & Policy|1 Comment

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  1. Hank Charlestonb November 8, 2017 at 10:36 am - Reply

    Great interview with Pat Colbeck. After yesterday’s elections, it looks like the draining of the swamp in Washington, D.C. is pouring into Virginia. Fortunately, in North Carolina, there were some great wins for conservatives in local contests, including the Mayor of Greenville, N.C.

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