Embryonic Stem Cell Versus Adult Stem Cell Research With Dr. David Prentice

Embryonic Stem Cell Versus Adult Stem Cell Research With Dr. David Prentice: In today’s episode we get the privilege of talking with Dr. David Prentice on the rapid growth of Adult Stem Cell treatment success rates. We also dive into some topics that we once thought were only possible in futuristic CGI movies but that are now coming to pass. Things like cloning and human-animal chimera and what our thoughts are on some of these procedures. Tune in now, it’s an episode you won’t want to miss!

Air Date: 03/12/2018

Guest: Dr. David Prentice

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Rick:

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We’re here with David and Tim right now. David, Tim, we’ve got another David coming on later – Dr. David Prentice. He’s going to be giving us an update on a lot of the things that have happened recently with stem cells. We’ve talked about the right way to do this and the wrong way. Of the course the wrong way is to take innocent life and the right way is to use science the way that God gave it to us – as a gift.

“God’s People Want to Know”

David:

Stem cell falls within that area of what we call “bioethics”. That could be cloning, and that could be all sorts of other things that go with this – surrogacy etc.. It’s interesting that one of the things– we worked with George Barna in doing a national poll and we have it on the website. It’s called “God’s People Want to Know”.

What George did was he specifically went into the church going population, those who go to church, and those who go to Bible based churches. In other words, they assume the Bible to be right and they believe the Bible. He said, “Okay, you guys that go to these churches, what is it you want to hear from the pulpit? What do you want to learn about? what do you want your pastor talk about?”

And so there were 14 separate issues were that 70 percent of those in church said, “I want my pastor to teach about this, I want to learn about this.” And in that category, those 14 number, nine on the list was bioethics. And bioethics, 76 percent of church goers said, “I want to know more about these issues. I don’t always understand how to argue them, I get in a debate with someone on the other side and I don’t know what to say.”

And so adult stem cell is part of bioethics. It’s interesting that that’s one of the things that Christians say, “This is what I need more information on.” And so what we’ve got today with Dr. Prentice is this is actually a doctor who has done stem cell research. He’s a guy in the field who has done all sorts of research in the field who keeps up with the field and it is absolutely amazing. Every once in awhile in Good News Fridays we’ll point out here’s another stem cell adult, stem cell research, cure that’s out there.

So, we talk from time to time about cures, but what’s going on overall with stem cell research. And there is the division between adult stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research. That literally is where the divide is made today on the, if you will, the moral discussion. For Christians who believe the Bible, we think that embryonic stem cell research is wrong because you have to destroy a living human being to take the stem cells to do research on them. We think that taking an unborn life, innocent life, is wrong. So, we think adult stem cells is right.

Adult Stem Cell Doesn’t Mean You’re Over 18

David:

And for folks who don’t know, “adult” doesn’t mean that you’re 25 years old or you’re over 18. Adult just means you’re outside the womb. So, much adult stem cell is taken from umbilical cords and placenta. You’re one second outside the womb, well, what we take at that point is called adult stem cell.

So, David Prentice is a guy with a great view on this, a great perspective. He’s a guy who keeps up with all the stuff that’s going on. And by the way, within a few months over in Europe they’re going to have the first Human born of three parents. What they did was they went into a fertilized embryo and destroyed it to take parts out of it – it was what was groing into a baby. And they’ve now put that injected into another embryo.

So, what you get is three parents. They’ve taken parts of three adults and put into the embryo that is growing. So, we’ll see where that leads.

But in Europe you’re about to have three parent babies. And they’ve talked about you can have up to 14 parent babies, and take the best things out of 14 adults and put it in one. This is really wild stuff that’s happening. * where you take part animal and part human, that’s going on as well.

And so Dr. proneness has a really good view of what’s out there, what’s going on, and what the Bible says about the stuff. We thought he’d be a great guy to cover this topic.

Rick:

Just a couple of things on Dr. Pernice. This guy’s done a lot – he was selected by President George W. Bush’s President’s Council on Bioethics to do the comprehensive review of adult stem cell research for the council’s publication back in 2004. He is the vice president of research director for the Charlotte Lozier Institute, also Adjunct Professor of Molecular Genetics at the John Paul the Second Institute – the Catholic University of America, advisory board member for the Midwest stem cell–

Tim:

So he doesn’t know very much about this is what I’m getting.

Rick:

Doesn’t know much at all about this stuff. Exactly. A ton of resume items there that we could go through. Bottom line – this guy’s an expert on this and we’re thrilled to have him with us. Dr. David Prentice our special guest. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Later that morning 70 men from his church, and several hundred British in the first battle of the War for Independence. As Pastor Clark affirmed, “The militia that morning were the same who filled the pews of the church meeting house on the Sunday morning before.”

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Rick:

Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Dr. David Prentice back with us. It’s been way too long, Dr. Prentice, good to have you, brother.

Dr. David Prentice:

It’s so good to be with you. Thank you.

Rick:

Hey man. So, there’s been a lot happening since last time we had you. Both on the adult stem cell science – some positive cures and research and all those things. And then some crazy stuff happening all over the world on some of the genetic research. So, David was just saying the other day, “Man, we’ve got to get David Prentice back.” So, here you are.

Dr. David Prentice:

Alright, well let’s start with some good stuff.

Rick:

Alright.

Two Types of Stem Cells

Dr. David Prentice:

Some very satisfying results have come out with adult stem cells for patients. Just to remind your listeners, there are really two types of stem cells that people talk about. Embryonic, which are derived from the destruction of young human lives and haven’t really helped a single person.

In fact, they haven’t helped that many lab mice.

Whereas adult stem cells, cells you can take from your own bone marrow, from umbilical cord blood, from other parts of the body where you don’t have to destroy the donor. And number two, they’ve helped over one and a half million people so far.

Rick:

Wow.

Dr. David Prentice:

Some of the great things– one of the most recent ones is helping patients who have had strokes and they’ve published a couple of papers recently.

In fact, we’ve got a website we put some of these stories up on called StemCellResearchFacts.org. Where we tell the story of this one lady, she’d had a stroke and had some after effects. It had been several years since she had the stroke, she had problems with moving her arms and her legs, had problems with speech, and so on. And in fact, it made her so self-conscious that she didn’t want to go ahead and get married to her boyfriend, her fiance.

She went in and had adult stem cells, they were implanted into her brain near the site where the stroke damage was a wreck. Rick, almost immediately she started to see results, very positive results. Now, it wasn’t a complete cure, but it restored a lot of her mobility, her speech patterns, and so on. In fact, the doctors themselves called it miraculous-

Rick:

I pulled up the website as you were talking, man, and I’m watching the video here and you just see the smiles. It’s awesome.

The Best Therapy

Dr. David Prentice:

Little short videos, patients telling their stories. She not only went ahead and got married she now has a little baby and she calls that one of her best therapies.

Rick:

I love it.

Dr. David Prentice:

Taking care of this little one and taking care of her husband and so on. But it is just fantastic and it’s, again, with adult stem cells. We’ve got videos up there we kind of went back and followed up some patients that we’d looked at before.

One young lady who had had a spinal cord injury, was quadriplegic, which means she can’t use her arms or legs. Now again, she’s not cured she’s not up and running marathons, but it has as she said restored her feeling and her whole body. She uses her arms, she also went ahead and got married, now has a little baby, and you can see that in the video. And how she has now become motivated to help others recuperate from any kind of brain trauma. A couple of others things–

Rick:

These are the kinds of things that, years ago, when we first started having you come out to the Legislative Conference years ago these are the kind of things that the embryonic stem cell research–

Dr. David Prentice:

Right.

Rick:

–people were promising, but never even came close to delivering, and the adult stem cell research is actually delivering.

Dr. David Prentice:

Exactly. The embryonic folks had a lot of empty promises. The adult stem cells are the ones that have fulfilled those promises with more to come. Lupus and multiple sclerosis are a couple of other that have been addressed, and even improved, in terms of the adult stem cell treatments recently.

There’s another one that, again, even the scientists were just amazed – they grew new lenses for the eyes of little babies using the baby’s own adult stem cells.

Rick:

Wow.

New Lenses

Dr. David Prentice:

The lenses were– they were basically born with a type of cataract. Normally these little babies would have been blind or had very limited sight. They used the baby’s own adult stem cells, again, to grow new lenses so they could see perfectly.

Rick:

Have you kept a number on how many different– and maybe cure is the right word because that’s too far perhaps–

Dr. David Prentice:

Right.

Rick:

–but what is the right word for, just–

Dr. David Prentice:

We, for a while had that scoreboard where we were kind of comparing and the number was always zero for embryonic and it remains zero. But we haven’t really kept up on that. I think what we need really now is kind of an odometer kind of thing because it just keeps rolling–

Rick:

Keeps going up.

Dr. David Prentice:

And I don’t have a number-

Rick:

But it’s well over a hundred.

David:

It’s over a hundred at least. And like I say, it’s the people who are the real targets here.

Rick:

Yeah.

Over One and a Half Million People Helped

Dr. David Prentice:

Over one and a half million people that have been helped. And we mentioned all the promises from the embryonic. Here’s a perfect example of how that didn’t pan out whereas with adult stem cells it did.

Your listeners might remember way back California passed an amendment where they said, “We’re going to put three billion state taxpayer dollars towards embryonic stem cells and cloning–”

Rick:

Yeah.

Dr. David Prentice:

“–over a period of 10 years we’re going to produce cures and we’re going to get all this money coming into California.” And about half way in, well, there were no cures, there was no money coming in, and they kind of realized, really, they were “California Dreamin” and reality was biting.

Rick:

Yeah. And now most of that money goes to adult stem cells and it’s actually starting to treat patients.

Rick:

Wait, when you say that– so you’re saying even that California money has finally woken up and shifted to the more ethical, better result, research.

Dr. David Prentice:

That’s right. The majority of those monies now go to adult stem cells. Now, they won’t admit that they were wrong. They will just say, “Hey, we’re doing stem cell research–”

Rick:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

Dr. David Prentice:

But we all know where the real success lies – it’s, again, in adult stem cells. And one other one, I know we have a limited amount of time.

Rick:

No, go ahead.

Genetically Engineered Kids?

Dr. David Prentice:

I want to mention things about some gene editing things – good and bad. The bad – your folks have probably heard about three parent embryos and gene edited babies. And they want to actually kind of program your kids and genetically engineer them.

There was an old movie called “Gattaca”. It was about how you would genetically engineer your kids and they would be smarter, and faster, and do all these things. And of course it costs a lot of money, so not everybody could do it.

Well, they’re proposing to move ahead and do that now and create these sort of genetically engineered kids. We were able to get a little amendment put into federal legislation to stop them from doing that in the U.S., but they’re still trying to push the envelope out there in some other countries. This is obviously a bad thing. You’re manufacturing new kids, so that they would have a certain type of genome – what you want instead of creating them out of love.

But don’t color everything with genetic engineering is bad. There’s another one, again a recent story, and it used adult stem cells. A young boy in Germany who had a serious skin disease, it’s eventually fatal, but the biggest part is your skin just falls off. You can’t hug these kids because their skin falling off. It’s a genetic problem though and so what they did was they took his own adult stem cells, which had the defective genetics, and repaired that gene within his own cells.

It grew normal skin, basically his whole skin, or almost his whole skin, was replaced with these new repaired adult stem cells for skin. He’s back in school, he’s playing soccer, he’s doing all the things a normal kid about nine or 10 years old would do. But, again, it’s going the ethical route. You’re not destroying any human being, you’re not manufacturing them, you’re using the God given resources within our own bodies -those adult stem cells to cause these types of treatment.

Rick:

When you do the right way, you rely on God’s way, then you get much, much, better results. Now, David, I know you said there were some almost crazy things going on. That was my language – crazy things out there.

Dr. David Prentice:

Yes.

Some of the Negative

Rick:

I read some articles about some genetic combinations and more cloning type stories out there. What’s the– tell me some of the negative if you will.

Dr. David Prentice:

And that’s kind of– there are still folks out there who want clones, they want born clones. There were some cloned monkeys recently born in China where they were using these types of things. And, again, what you’re doing is you take the genetic material, let’s say from a skin cell, and you put it into an egg that has had its genetic material removed and you create a clone. It’s how Dolly the cloned sheep was created and various things, but they want to do this with people now. Well, they’ve moved to the point of doing it with monkeys.

There are still people that want born human clones. And actually I mentioned the three parent human babies earlier. It’s a form of cloning that they’re using in terms of the technology, but they are adding additional genetic material and doing this kind of engineering. So, it’s very much a horrific type of creation.

The other one you mentioned the technical term is chimera, but it’s human animal hybrids. There are people that want to make these human animal hybrids. And you might just think of the island of Doctor Moreau and that didn’t turn out too well there either and it’s not going to turn out well here.

We don’t need to do this. It’s always going to be phrased as we’re going to come up with cures, and treatments, and so on, if you just give us the money and let us do this weird science. And that’s what it is, but you don’t need to go there. As we’ve already said, if you use the resources of our own bodies that God’s given us you can come up with these types of treatments and cures and you don’t need to create and destroy human life.

Rick:

Before I let you go, Dr. Prentice, is that– on both the chimera and some of the cloning, do we still have– I’ve just kind of lost, having kept track on the legal front. Are those stories mostly coming from outside the U.S.? Do we have protections in place to not have it happen in the U.S.? Or is that something we should be, have on our radar as well?

We Need To Have It On Our Radar

Dr. David Prentice:

That’s something we need on our radar. We still, it’s still legal if you wanted to go into your basement lab and make a clone you could do it, Rick. Now, hopefully you’re not going to, but–

Rick:

And our listeners are thinking, “Please don’t clone yourself, Rick, that would be bad. We don’t need– one’s enough.”

Dr. David Prentice:

Yeah. Well, I’m not going to join that discussion, but– Yes, people still can and want to do these kinds of horrific types of human experiments in the U.S.. It’s still legal and, in fact, some federal money still going to human embryonic stem cell research throughout the U.S..

Rick:

Wow.

Dr. David Prentice:

The animal human hybrids, it’s legal in all but a couple of states. There are some state legislatures that have moved ahead and said, “Hey, we don’t need to do this, we don’t want to do, this let’s do some ethical, successful, God honoring, research.”

Rick:

Right.

Dr. David Prentice:

But at the federal level it’s still kind of wide open. And your listeners, I encourage them to even contact their elected federal representatives and say, “Hey, we need to just turn off the spigot on that, shut that off at the federal level too, let’s put your and my taxpayer dollars towards ethical and successful research like adult stem cells.”

Rick:

Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Dr. David Prentice, and the website we’ll give out today – StemCellResearchFacts.org. Go check that out, watch that video, get on Dr. Prentice’s e-mail as well. We look forward to having you back again soon, sir.

Dr. David Prentice:

Thank you, Rick. God bless you.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Special thanks to Dr. David Prentice for joining us today as well.

We’re back with David and Tim now. Guys, he obviously knows the subject and is keeping up with it. I have not– honestly, I hadn’t paid attention to this one for couple of years now and didn’t realize how far things had progressed.

David:

Yeah, it is wild that he no longer keeps the scorecard of 100-0. He now keeps this odometer at one point five million people have been helped versus zero people on the other side. So, we’re– it’s no longer about how many cures there are. But it just blows my mind. He told the of story that kid that if you touched him his skin would fall off.

And so now with adult stem cells the kid has a completely new skin and he’s– where you couldn’t touch him before and now he’s into contact sports. And these kids that they’ve grown completely new lenses in their eyes. They were blind and now have– headed for blind because of the ocular whatever it was, but they grew completely new lenses. That’s unbelievable stuff.

Rick:

Remarkable.

The Stuff of Movies

Tim:

This is the stuff of movies, right?

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim:

Where the the kid, and skin, and falls. The Bubble Boy was kind of about this kid, right. Or Minority Report and you have these new eyes. This is literally movies we’re talking about. That was so futuristic with some of these details, and limbs that are grown, and things you can do. Movies that seemed to be futuristic, we’re hearing that, now, this is scientific reality in a lot of levels, which is crazy.

David:

Well, I was intrigued, too, with what he said about California. Because we’ve heard that that California has now taken that 3 billion that the voters designated and they’re putting it not into embryonic, but into adult stem cell. And I really, as he was saying that, I remember that whole debate. I remember it going on and I remember the vote was over embryonic stem cell use, three billion dollars.

Stem Cell Money

David:

So, I went and looked it up and I thought, “How in the world can California violate the written will of the voters on a ballot initiative and go back in a different direction? And as it turns out, what the debate actually was over was not over embryonic stem cell. It was over stem cell money – of which California was the one to use it for embryonic. So, the language actually didn’t say embryonic. So, for California to change in midstream and now no longer fund embryonic, but fund adult, I thought, “That’s great, but how did they do that legally?” Well, it turned out it wasn’t a legal issue at all.

So, when I hear them say that in California, that says, “That’s pretty cool.” Because California is now seeing the same metrics that the scientific community is seeing and saying, “Even in California we’re not going to dump money into something that does not work. Even though that’s where we started, even though that’s what our belief was, even though Hollywood actors did all those pieces on how embryonic stem cell is the hope of the future.” That’s now completely gone and even California has seen that embryonic stem cell is not working.

Rick:

So, it actually could be a Good News Friday. To take that money and move it into the right direction and get it out of the the taking of innocent life. But also, he was talking about some of these crazy efforts with these chimera. What do you guys think about laws that would stop the cloning and the chimera creations?

David:

Well, he talked about the fact that there were certain laws, federal laws, that forbid some of this stuff and states need to follow up on that.

But you go back to God’s purpose and plan – it is a man and a woman and that’s what He put together. He said, ‘This is good.” Stopped right there – didn’t create anything else past that in the sense of making living human things.

Not The Biblical Concept

David:

So, the concept of having multiple parents is not the biblical concept. Even in Matthew 19 Jesus reaffirms one man one woman. So, messing with that you’re outside of what God has ordained and planned. Which, now you’re getting into violating those biblical ethics.

And the same when you go to chimera. He said, “each after its own kind” is what He said in the Bible. Let each reproduce after its own kind. Mankind after mankind. Animal kind after animal kind. Whether that be sheep, or whether that be cattle, or whether that be elk, or whatever.

Embryonic Stem Cell Versus Adult Stem Cell Research

David:

And so when you start taking and mixing the kinds, you mix this type of animal with a human, that’s a real problem. Because God gave real clear instructions that should guide bioethics, that used to guide bioethics. But the more secular we become the less we are bound by those moral standards and so that’s a problem.

And so we do need legislation on that, no question. Otherwise we’re going to be doing what Europe is already doing. We haven’t gone there yet because we do have some legislation. Just needs to be strengthened on this.

Rick:

Alright, guys, thanks to Dr. David Prentice for joining us today. Thank you for listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.

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