Bringing Encouragement From Our Barn-Storming Event In Georgia To You – Join us to hear about our amazing barn-storming event that happened in Georgia and to gather encouragement from it! Tune in today!

Air Date: 12/07/2020

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It’s WallBuilders Live and we’re literally in intersection today because we are on our way back from Georgia. We had a great barnstorming tour all across Georgia with a fantastic group of patriots. And so we are on the road headed home, so I apologize for the background noise, but you are going to so enjoy today’s program because we’re going to take you to one of those barnstorming events.

Again, we had such a great crowd and such a great group throughout the weekend. We made stops all over the state, David Barton, Tim Barton, Brad Stein, Congressman Barry Loudermilk, Congressman Jody Hice, Michelle Bachman, it was just an incredible, incredible weekend, Kirk Cameron, Charlie Kirk, and we want to bring it to you here on WallBuilders Live. So we’re going to dive right in and give you an opportunity to enjoy one of those barnstorming events.

I know there’s a lot to catch up on the elections, a lot has happened over the weekend since our last program. And tomorrow, we’re going to take more time to dive through a lot of those specifics. The good news is that legislators in these key states are starting to take up their responsibility, starting to do their duty, and we may see some of these states actually take that power given to them in the Constitution that we’ve talked about here on the program over and over again over the last few weeks, they may actually do their job, and name the electors. So hold on to your seats, folks, a lot is going to happen in the next week to 10 days. But right now, we want to encourage you with this barnstorming event we did across Georgia ,here we go to Dalton, Georgia, with the WallBuilders Live team on the road.

So what we would normally start with is we would say “Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live, where we’re talking about hot topics of the day on policy, faith, and culture and all that. But we’ll skip all that and just say, listen, you guys are super, super blessed. Tonight, we have brought some great folks to share with you, David Barton is without question, as we say, often on our radio program, America’s premier historian, he won’t say that, but we will say that. This guy has more of the Founding Fathers in his head, and in his heart than anybody on the planet. He’s read more of the Founding Fathers than probably anybody alive today. I can say that with confidence. And that’s part of why we can teach at WallBuilders from a Founders’ perspective, is because these guys have been able to dig into those original documents, not what some professor said, but what the Founders actually said. So it’s an honor to have you here, David, thank you so much for joining us.

Tim Barton’s a national speaker and pastor, he’s our president at WallBuilders, and he has that great mix of, I almost said the old, but then I might get in trouble, he has that great mix of the previous generations, let’s say and a new youthful generation and he’s able to bridge that gap. And for me to get to serve with these guys and do the radio program every day, I just love it. I get to learn at their feet and learn the things that they’ve learned, but also take on hot topics of the days. And guys, for us right now as Christians, as believers, really, the hottest topic is elections themselves and whether or not Christian should be involved in elections. So some people, the fact that we’re here in a church tonight, barnstorming Georgia and talking about biblical citizens doing their duty, that alone is controversial to some people. Why should Christians be involved and even politics?


Well, depends on whether you want a voice in the culture in which you live. And I’ll point to something as simple as Houston or Los Angeles. Los Angeles, one of the top five cities in the nation, their mayor was elected 2.9% of the adult vote in that area. So a city like Houston like we have, and…


Now, that’s 2.9, so the other 70, what are 97% is now not…


Hang on a second. The other, how much?


Yeah, yeah, I was thinking about my math there. Yeah, that other 90 whatever percent, now they can’t do what is it, walking, unnecessary walking, not allowed because of that Mayor of what? Yeah.


Anything’s not allowed because of that Mayor. We have Houston the same way. Houston was roughly, about 6% of the population elected Houston. The Mayor of Houston is greater and what they represent, that’s more than 26 separate States. The city of Houston has a population greater than 26 separate States in the United States. So being a Mayor is like being a governor, and you’re looking at 6% that chose the Mayor of Houston. So it’s really do you care to have any voice in the policies under what you live? At this point, Christians have not been very good about showing up in a lot of elections, showed up somewhat in this election, but still, there was around 30 million evangelicals that did not vote in this election. So this would not have been a close election in any way shape, fashion or form of church showed up and done its responsibility.


Hey, guys, we want to let you know about our new resource we have here at WallBuilders called “The American Story”. For years, people have been asking us to do a history book, and we finally done it. We start with Christopher Columbus and go roughly through Abraham Lincoln. And one of the things that so often we hear today are about the imperfections of America, or how so many people in America that used to be celebrated or honored really aren’t good or honorable people.

One of the things we acknowledge quickly in the book is that the entire world is full of people who are sinful and need a savior, because the Bible even tells us that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” And yet what we see through history and certainly is evident in America is how a perfect God uses imperfect people and does great things through them. The story of America is not the story of perfect people. But you see time and time again how God got involved in the process and use these imperfect people to do great things that impacted the entire world from America. To find out more, go to and check out “The American Story”.


This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Founding Fathers, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson originally worked closely together but later became ardent opponents. This troubled Dr. Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration, who knew both of them very well. In the Bible, 2 Corinthians 5:18 tells us that God has given each of us the ministry of reconciliation. Dr. Rush believe this and set out to bring the two back together.

It took a while but Adams and Jefferson once again became close friends. And looking back on his role and helping bring about this reconciliation. Dr. Rush stated, “It will give me pleasure as long as I live to reflect that I have been in any degree instrumental and affecting this reunion of two souls destined to be dear to each other and motivated with the same dispositions to serve their country though in different ways.”

For more information about Dr. Benjamin Rush and his other remarkable achievements, go to


We’re hearing this some and I think it’s a little tongue in cheek from some people, a little politics being played, but like the notion that people shouldn’t show up and vote in general, especially in the electorate right now in Georgia, first of all, as a Christian, you have an option to not show up in votes. But this is where Jesus said that you are the salt of the earth, and if a salt loses its flavor, you are good for nothing, but to be trampled under feet by men. And this is where we’re going to say now wait a second. There’s a notion that we should be salt inside the church and not outside the church. Like if there’s anywhere you don’t need to be salt, it’s probably right here. Because the church, now actually, the church is probably not being preserved as well as it should be, right, realistically, this is the area that probably has the best grasp on the biblical truth of the Word of God. What doesn’t have the grasp of biblical truth is the culture and so where as Christians, we should be the saltiest. And I’m saying that in the context of the Bible, because like there’s new salty now and is different kind, right…


I thought good for nothing was pretty salty. I like that. If you’re not being salt, you’re good for nothing. That was a good, salty. If we step on your toes tonight, we apologize for that. Because our intent is to stomp on them, we want to stomp on them, man. We’re here to wake you up?


Well, in the midst of this idea that as Christians, we’re supposed to be the salt of the earth, big picture context, right, the idea that Christians would not be involved in an area of life, this is also where people talk about, well, it’s because we can’t legislate morality. And I just want to be like, have you never read any kind of law? Because every single law is legislating somebody’s morality, it’s just a question of whose morality every legislating. Right? The idea that we don’t murder, that’s moral. Right?

Even the idea that we drive slower in school zones, is because we want to protect kids’ lives. Why? Because we think that’s a moral thing to do is to protect children. Every law is moral. It’s not a question of whether or not we legislate morality, it’s a question of whose morality will you legislate. And the morality we are legislating is best reflected by the people that showed up and voted in the last election. And so…


Isn’t that why we have a morality in our country right now that is so far away from the Bible?




Because biblical Christians haven’t been being that salt and light, and legislating a good morality, we’ve stepped out of that arena for way too long, and the other side has brought about their morality. And it’s the exact opposite of what we know to be true based on the Word of God.


Well, the morality of tolerance, right, the morality of fluidity, of gender, or whatever else, because we’re being told if you oppose certain things, it’s because you’re not loving, it’s because you’re racist or you’re bigoted, and all the slander that gets thrown at you. And at some point, you have to go wait a second, as a parent, sometimes the most loving thing we can do for our child is tell them that’s a terrible decision and you should not make it. In fact, as a parent, there are times when you discipline your child for making a terrible decision because you want to instill in them, that was stupid, don’t ever do that again. Right? Like this is common sense 101, and yet we’re acting as if that Christians who are trying to uphold a moral system that is the most beneficial proven across the board. This is not really debatable. Because the notion is that well as Christians, you think you’re morally superior. No, I don’t think I’m morally superior. I think Jesus is morally superior. Right?

I spoke at Michigan State University one time and, and I had a student challenged me after my talk, and said, well, you’re suggesting that American culture should live by the morals of the Bible? And I said, well, the reason I’m saying that is because in America, we want freedom, but freedom only works if you have a moral people. Because if you give freedom to immoral people, they do immoral things and then you have to have more government control the immoral people.

So the other option is that you can teach them morality. And I contend there’s no greater moral teacher than that of Jesus. And this kid said, well, I don’t know about that. And I said, okay, well, let’s just have a comparison. Jesus taught that you should treat other people the way you want to be treated, that you should love your neighbor as yourself, and even clarified who neighbor was. Because you can read the parable of the Good Samaritan, and like neighbor was someone that maybe had picked on you. Because at this point, the Jews and the Samaritans didn’t get along, right? There’s a lot of persecution happening because the Samaritans are viewed as kind of half breeds and like a lot of racism happening. And the guys being persecuted by the Jews were the ones that…

So like even the context of love your neighbors yourself, people that don’t like you, that treat you poorly, you should still treat them properly. But this is the morals of Jesus. So I said, so this is kind of the idea. I said, so if this is the morals of Jesus, show me someone whose morals surpass Jesus. He said, well, I think there’s lots of examples. I said, I don’t need lots, just give me one. I just need one example. Right? And he thought for a second, he said, well, I think Buddhism is a great example. I said, okay, interesting choice. Give me the example in Buddhism where they have morality that would be superior to what Jesus taught? And he said, well, there’s so many examples, right? I only need one. Just give me one example. And he’s stuck on this point, where he said, well, in Buddhism, they teach that everyone must determine their own destiny, and so you pursue your own course, and no one can tell you what to do. I think that’s the greatest moral teaching in Buddhism, which I’m not even sure that’s a moral teaching, but I thought, I’m going to let it go.

And I said, okay, well, if everybody gets to pursue their own destiny, and nobody can tell you your own course, let me ask you a question. Do you think it’s morally wrong for someone to take a gun going to an elementary school and start killing kids? He said, well, of course. But what if they determined that was their destiny, right? This is the problem. Because what we’re now defining is subjective morality. And I said, here’s the point, Jesus gave us a very clear defined moral standard of right and wrong. And this is where as Christians, I don’t know why Christians get confused when it comes to political areas. Because everything we are voting for is a representation of biblical morality, because biblical morality allows us to live as free in America. And one thing I really appreciate about America is freedom, but we are seeing freedom a loss because we’ve lost the notion of why we’ve been allowed to be free for so long.

John Adams said the Constitution was made only for a moral and a religious people. If you lose religion, if you lose Christianity, then our Constitution doesn’t work anymore. Which is what we’re seeing now a crisis in our nation, because we’ve lost the moral underpinnings. And this is why as Christians, we should recognize better than anybody, if we don’t stand up and get involved, our Constitution won’t stand, not because it’s not so good and doesn’t work, it’s because the people no longer have the lifestyle that allows the Constitution to function. Because we can only be free if we are moral, and we can only be moral through the principles of Christianity, or at least they’re the best system of morality.

And I actually told the kid at Michigan State University, I said in intellectual honesty, if you can show me a moral teacher, that is superior to Jesus, I would support teaching that moral teacher in every public school in America so that we can maintain freedom. I’ve just never found a better moral teacher than Jesus. And as Christians, again, this should be like the no brainer thought and argument, we need to teach the principles and the morals of Jesus in every single school, so America continue to be free.


That’s good. You’re nailing that topic of moral relativism versus moral absolutism, which is what a lot of this comes down to. And our first virtual guest has actually recorded quick comment from a friend of ours that just came out with a movie a couple of weeks ago called “Trump Card”. It’s not so much about Trump as it is about the socialist communist, you know, the Marxism that’s been taught in our education system that’s taken over in so many different areas. So I do encourage you, really encourage you to get “Trump Card” and watch it. It’s a great education on how moral relativism is actually at the heart of what’s destroying the country. So our friends, Dinesh and Debbie D’Souza sent us a quick message here. Here we go.


Hey, Georgia voters, as Christians, we are called to be salt and light in the culture. God doesn’t act directly in the world. He relies on us to be His arms and legs. Let’s mobilize all our efforts on behalf of these two Republican Senate candidates, Perdue and Loeffler. Protecting our Senate majority is more critical now than ever.


President Trump has been the most prolife, pro-Israel and pro religious freedom president in our lifetime. Let’s protect these principles, not only in the White House, but also in Congress.


Alright, so let me say this about Dinesh and Debbie, watch “Trump Card”. Let me say this about tonight, we are a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that is encouraging you to get educated. Learn from people like them about which candidates are actually biblical candidates. We’ve got nonpartisan voter guides that are going to be handed out to you tonight that you can take and share with other people as well.

But I have a question really for Tim on this one. And that is you know, Dinesh is from India, Debbie’s from Venezuela. She talks a lot in the movie about how her country was destroyed by socialism. And I have to ask, I mean, if America is so bad, like we’ve been told all year long, why did he come here from India? Why did she come from Venezuela? Why do people continue to come to America? Before we talk about voting for people to try to save America, what about this question of whether or not America’s worth saving?


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One of the things that that we lose sight of is America is one of the nations that embraces and accepts more immigrants every single year than basically anywhere else in the world. More than 1 million illegal immigrants on average, every year for the last 30 years have entered America. And it’s worth noting, if America is so bad, why do so many people keep coming to America? And it could be, right, that freedom opportunity that there’s more advantages to being an American than most people realize. And the reason that this has become controversial, arguably in the last year is there’s actually a new project, “The Touts” that is highlighting some of the negatives of America or at least some of the accusations of negatives in America.

In fact, if you look at articles that have come out in the last couple of months, it talks about how America was founded on slavery, America was built by slavery. There was the US Senator who came out and said that America actually is a nation that created slavery. Okay, now as a Christian, I can just point out right back up to Genesis, Joseph, dude, many colors, that guy dreams sold into slavery by his brothers. Right? Moses delivers the Israelites out of slavery and like, okay, as a Christian like, this is not something we should be confused. America did not invent slavery. Okay, number one.

Number two, if you’re not a Christian, you had to have had the worst world history class ever. Because if you don’t know about like the Greek and Roman Empires and who they were like, it’s boggling to the mind, but this is one of the things that we are hearing today is one of the great evils of America is, America is the leader in slavery in the world.

So let me just start with a very simple notion that first of all, America was not a world leader and the global slave trade. Okay, this is important. And I’m not trying to belittle the fact that there are many moments in American history when America did something wrong when America had sinful moments, or wicked moments or evil moments, and by the way, every nation in the history of the world has had really bad moments, because every nation in the history of the world has had people in those nations. And when you have people, the Bible says, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Nobody’s perfect, and so people will do imperfect things. So America is no exception. America has had some very bad moments.

In fact, one of the games we play periodically is who is your least favorite president? And in American history, there have been some really bad presidents who actually did some very bad and evil things. So I want to keep it in context. I’m not saying that America didn’t do bad things at times, but there’s a lot more context that we don’t always communicate and cover. And so if you look, for example, at the African slave trade, which were the 1619 project says America was so bad on, the African slave trade goes from roughly 1500-1875. During that time, okay, let back up, there were 12.7 million slaves taken out of Africa. Now, that’s a lot of slaves coming out of Africa. Okay. That’s also over a roughly 400 year period. In the midst of that, the accusation is that America was a leader in that movement.

There actually has been a study done, where they’ve gone back, and they’ve been able to identify a lot of the ships that were a part of that. There’s actually records from those ships of where they went of how many slaves they had, of when they were delivered. I mean, there’s a lot of interesting history that’s there. And what they’ve documented is that from the slave voyages, 43% of the slaves out of Africa went to Portugal and Brazil holdings, 24% went to Great Britain, 15% went to Spain, 11% went to France, 5% went to Dutch, 2.5% went to United States, and 1% went to Denmark.

Now, it is absolutely true that America participated in this great evil. It’s also absolutely true that America was not a leader in this movement. Right? If we’re going to talk about America being bad for this, which is okay to say America did something wrong, because this was not a good thing, however, to make the accusation that America was a leader of this, like, you have to grossly ignore history, and I’ve never read a history book about the North Atlantic slave trade, or the African slave trade that even mentioned Portugal or Brazil, like not even mentioned them, and this is incredibly documented. In fact, historians don’t even dispute these numbers. They agree this is what happened, and that’s the reality. Is just in America, we don’t talk about this. And the reason I point this out is because all nations in the history of the world actually participated in slavery. Every single people group, at some point was enslaved and at some point enslaved somebody else, every single one.


Hi, friends, this is Tim Barton of WallBuilders. This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. And I know oftentimes for parents, we’re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

And if you remember back to the Bible, to the book of Hebrews, it has the faith Hall of Fame where they outline the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans, we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes, not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.

I want to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called The Courageous Leaders collection. And this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers. And there’s a second collection called Heroes of History. In this collection, you’ll read about people like Benjamin Franklin or Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman. Friends, the list goes on and on.

This is a great collection for your young person to have and read and it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at That’s


You cannot name a nation that at some point didn’t have slaves, and at some point wasn’t enslaved because that’s the history of the world. So America is not unique in having slaves, right and participating in that. But where America does become unique is that America was the very first nation in the history of the world to pass a law banning the slave trade. Happened March 2nd 1807, that law was signed by Thomas Jefferson. America then became the fourth nation in the history of the world and slavery in 1865, Thirteenth Amendment. England in the first 1833, then you had Denmark, then you had France, and America was number four. At that point in world history, there are 128 nations in the world. America was a fourth nation in the world in 1865 to end slavery.

And if we go even further, if you look at the world today, there’s actually still slavery that happens in the world today. It is illegal. In lots of nations, at the United Nations this year, there were 193 nations that were part of the UN, 94 of those nations still have not passed laws to criminalize slavery in their nation. Still, today, there are estimated more than 40 million people that are slaves today. Why does this matter? In Africa, there’s 9.2 million people legally enslaved, legally. In China, slavery is legal. You can go across the Middle East. You can go, right, I mean, literally all over the world slavery still illegal. And yet there are people even today still fighting slavery.

And when you look at the ancients doing the most to fight slavery, down here in the bottom right, the very number one nation, top nation opposing slavery is the Netherlands. Number two is the United States of America. Even right now, America is doing more to oppose slavery around the world than anybody else fighting human trafficking, fighting sex slavery. We are doing more than anybody else. Why does that matter? Because America passed the first antislavery law, America is the fourth nation in the world to end slavery in America is doing more right now. America actually has a pretty exceptional record being antislavery when you compare her to the rest of the world. The problem is, we only look in America in the bubble of America and say, we’re so bad for doing this. Yes, it was very bad what happened in America and then praise God that has been outlawed that we don’t do that anymore in America.


Alright, friends, we are out of time for today. We’re going to pick that up right where we left off. So tomorrow, we’ll go back to Georgia for more of that amazing barnstorming tour. We’re going to share it with you throughout the week, and we’ll also be sharing a lot of the presidential election updates tomorrow. So much is happening in states all across America right now. There’s a big movement happening in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, Wisconsin, and other states. So we’ll get you all caught up on that tomorrow. Be sure to tune in and we’ll take you back to Georgia for more of the barnstorming tour as well.

Thanks so much for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.