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Facing Darkness: Ebola, A Killer Epidemic in Africa Hits Home in America: Franklin Graham joins us in this episode to talk about his new movie coming out “Facing Darkness” and the unknown heroes who not only overcame Ebola but saved lives in the process. This is an episode you won’t want to miss.  Tune in now to WallBuilders Live!

Air Date: 03/28/2017

Guests: Franklin Graham, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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You found your way to the intersection of faith and the culture, this is WallBuilders Live! We”€™re talking about these hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, always looking at it from Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premiere historian and the founder and president of WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, and my name’s Rick Green. I’m a former Texas state rep.

Find out more about us at our websites, WallBuilders.com and WallBuildersLive.com. Where we talk about things from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective, so we can get the right perspective to really attack these issues and the culture and take them head on.

Run Toward The Danger

David, Tim, too often as Christians we’re not looking for ways to attack issues in the culture or say, “€œWhat can I do to to influence what’s going on out there?”€ We’re either just trying to survive or we’ve given up and kind of stepped out. Or some people even think it’s not the Christian’s role to be an influence in the culture.


Well, you know, we should be able to look at all the big issues that we have facing us in the world, facing us in the nation, all the big issues facing the family today, whatever that the attacks on all of these areas are.  We should be able to look up and see the Vanguard, the group up front is the church and Christians.

This is the way it”€™s supposed to be. They should be the first ones out there to meet the danger. It was Elijah who jumped out in front of Ahab and Jezebel.

Then the American Revolution it was the preachers who jumped up, Jonas Clark, to take on the British at Lexington. William Emerson to take on the British at Concorde. And
the Reverend Phillips to take on the British as they went back to Boston and Reverend Francis Willard to take on the British at Bunker Hill.

It’s always the church that stood up and did that. If you could look and see where the church leaders were you knew where the danger was coming from. Now it’s kind of the opposite way around. “€œThere”€™s danger coming, I hope somebody does something about it.”€

The courage aspect is not there the same way it had been. It doesn’t have the same aggressiveness that it had been. But you look at the Bible, David looks up, “€œOh, there’s a giant, I’m going to run toward him.”€ That’s what the Bible says. Young David ran toward the giant, ran toward Goliath. I mean that’s the cool thing to do,  run at him.  That’s what the Bible says.

Then when Daniel gets the ultimatum, “€œYou can’t pray to anybody except the king.”€ Daniel doesn’t go pray in silence.  Daniel goes out on the balcony and opens the door and kneels down where everybody can see him break the law.  He went right to the front and went right at it.

One of our friends in Congress, Congressman Randy Forbes, was working on a book one time that goes over talking about the roar of the lion. And we’re told what Peter says that our enemy the adversary walks about as a roaring lion.

What Congressman Randy Forbes told me was really cool, “€œDo you know the way the lions hunt in packs? It”€™s the female line that does all the killing and it’s not the male lion. The male lion, he’s got the roar and that roar can be heard seven to eight miles away on the savannah.”€

And he said, “€œThe way it works is, they will get in a circle around some kind of animal herd and that the male will go into one end of the herd and start roaring. Then all the other animals will turn and run away from the roar. And when they do, that’s where all the females are lying in wait waiting for them.”€

He said, “€œIf those animals would ever run toward the roar they could outrun the males because the males are not good hunters.  They’re slow.  They’re big but they’re not good hunters. It’s the lionesses that are good hunters.”€

He said, “€œThe way you win a battle is you don’t run away from the roar. You run to the roar.”€ That’s where that verse, “€œOur enemy walks about as a roaring lion”€ comes from. And we go, “€œOh my gosh, here he comes, I got to run and hide.”€ No, you run toward the opposition.

Boldness Through The Storm

That’s historically where the church had been. But, boy, right now, we”€™ve got a big dose of cowardice going in a lot of areas. We’re not getting thrown in prison, we’re not getting thrown in jail, but man we want to avoid persecution. We want to avoid people saying bad things about us.

The program we’ve got today is exactly the opposite of that. It is the church doing the right thing, it is Christians doing the right thing, it”€™s Christians showing backbone and courage and running to the greatest points of danger. It’s an inspiring story.


Even having the courage to run to the battle, you read so much of that in the Bible, but we’ve kind of given this wimpy Christian atmosphere today instead of encourage people to run to the battle we’ve been saying, “€œNo, we need to just be nice to everybody and run away from the battle so that we can be hopefully universally loved.”€ I guess, I’m not sure what the real motivation is, but it’s the opposite effect of run to the battle.


Yeah, whatever it is it’s not Biblical, because the Bible says, “€œThe righteous are bold as a lion.”€ Now, if we were righteous we would have boldness, those two things go together. The Bible’s real clear that the righteous are bold as a lion.

We’re also told in acts that the people were amazed at the boldness of Peter and James and they said that they took notice that they had been with Jesus. And so the guys had been hanging with Jesus, now they”€™ve  got all this boldness. That should be a characteristic of us.


Which is also interesting, as you mentioned Peter and James, it was also noted that they weren’t the most intelligent but they were the boldest. They weren”€™t recognized for their academic acumen, right? They were recognized for their great accomplishments, rather the attitude, the personality that they were, they were bold.


There were blue collar guys. One’s a fisherman, I forget what James did, but you had Peter as a fisherman, they are blue collar guys. There was not a white collar guy in that unless you want to say Matthew the tax collector, that’s a government position, maybe we can say it”€™s white collar.


Possibly Luke the Doctor?


Yeah, but he wasn’t one of the apostles.


No, you’re right he wasn’t. But as far as the followers of Jesus, the followers, maybe a few of them but no,  the majority of them- but this is what it comes back to is that boldness was one of the characteristics that people identified, “€œWhoa, look at that person.”€

But it was the boldness from those early church leaders that made such a difference even in spreading the gospel message.


And where is the boldness today? Well, maybe we’re not hanging out with Jesus like we need to, maybe we’re not as righteous as we think we are because the righteous are bold as a lion.

If we’re not having that boldness and stepping out and running toward the battle running toward the roar. Man we need to do some self-examination because boldness is a fruit of being right with God in so many areas.


Well, David, speaking of boldness, I always have thought of that from a military standpoint. But our guests today, when we come back from the break, is going to be talking about a movie that’s coming out tomorrow night, tomorrow night only by the way, so folks pay attention, you’re going to want to go see this. Franklin Graham is going to be with us and we’re going to learn about a courage that frankly, I didn’t know much about. And these are Christians that are going into the heart of danger dealing with disease like the Ebola virus, and it’s just a phenomenal story. Franklin Graham, our guest when we return to WallBuilders Live.

Constitution Alive

Have you ever wanted to learn more about the United States Constitution but just felt like, man, the classes are boring or it’s just that old language from 200 years ago or I don’t know where to start? People want to know. But it gets frustrating because you don’t know where to look for truth about the Constitution either.

Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. It’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders”€™ library where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

We call it the QuickStart guide to the Constitution because in just a few hours through these videos you will learn the Citizen’s Guide to America’s Constitution.  You’ll learn what you need to do to help save our Constitutional Republic. It’s fun! It’s entertaining! And it’s going to inspire you to do your part to preserve freedom for future generations. It’s called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. You can find out more information on our website now at WallBuilders.com.

Moment From American History.

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. American patriot Paul Revere road to alert Americans of the impending arrival of the British. But he also sought patriot leader Samuel Adams and John Hancock to warn them that the British were seeking their execution.

Adams and Hancock were staying with the Reverend Jonas Clark in Lexington. When they asked Pastor Clark if his church was ready for the approaching British he replied, “€œI’ve trained them for this very hour. They will fight and, if need be, die under the shadow of the house of God.”€

Later that morning 70 men from his church, a several hundred British in the first battle of the war for independence. As Pastor Clark affirmed, “€œThe militia that morning were the same who filled the pews of the church meeting house on the Sunday morning before.”€

The American church was regularly at the forefront of the fight for liberty. For more information on this pastor and other colonial Patriots go to WallBuilders.com.

The Hero Who Overcame Ebola


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live, thanks for staying with us today. The Reverend Franklin Graham with us, it’s an honor to have you, Sir, thanks for coming on.


Hey, thanks for the opportunity.


Hey, a lot of people obviously know you for the ministry and for Samaritan’s Purse. I got to tell you, until I saw this movie that you have coming out, I had no idea the role that you guys had played in stopping the Ebola breakout. Thank you for making the movie first of all, but thank you for the willingness of your ministry to go into the fire in these kind of cases.


You know, we don’t always plan to find ourselves in storms. We were in Liberia working on other projects after the Civil War, we’ve been there since 2003. But in 2014 Ebola came into Guinea and to Sierra Leone, of neighboring countries to Liberia. And we were told by the World Health Organizations that it was going to come from Liberia. I tell you, it just put a chill up my spine because this was the world’s deadliest virus.


No cure.


And I thought, “€œWhat are we going to do?”€ And within a few months sure enough, it was there, and there was nobody to fight it. We just decided that we’re going to respond. I’ve always believed when there’s trouble you run to it you don’t run away from it. God puts you in these places for a reason. I had no clue what we were going to do, but we did a quick study, we learned on the fly, we went to Doctors Without Borders and *** here in Belgium. They gave us the protocols, they were the world’s foremost fighter of Ebola.

So we learn from them and within a couple of months. Dr. Brantly became infected. He didn’t get infected from the EPU but he was working also at the nearby hospital. He feels that he got probably the Ebola from the hospital from a patient who was sick and he didn’t know at that time.


And he was a missionary from from Texas, right?


Yeah, he’s a guy from Texas who was working for us. Went out there with his family to be missionaries and that had always been a dream of his to be a missionary doctor. But when Ebola came, we asked if he would take the lead and he stepped up. He’s a hero of mine. And on, the I think it was, the 23rd of July 2015 he was told that he had Ebola.  It just put a chill to my body, because I knew that there was nothing I could do to save his life.


Yeah, and that comes across in the movie. You guys did a fantastic job, it”€™s called, “€œFacing Darkness”€ First of all, it paints the picture of how deadly the disease was and how helpless everyone felt and yet, even without a cure and without knowing for sure what to do, like you said, you guys ran into the storm and to be whatever help you could be.

It just powerful the way it comes through in the movie, your willingness as a leader to have your organization do that. But then also these doctors and nurses and just missionaries on the ground that were there that had the choice, leave and get your family to safety, or stay and serve these people in need knowing that you could be looking death in the face. It’s a powerful story.

Lord Here I Am, Send Me


Well you know, it’s a reminder to all of us. Regardless of what storms in life we find ourselves in, God is there, God hasn”€™t left, he hasn”€™t and run away, God is there. This is a story how God saved the life of Dr. Brantley, how God saved the life of Nancy Writebol, and not only that he saved their lives but he elevated Dr. Brantly to become now the national spokesperson for Ebola.

The hope that he gave to all the people in West Africa, the hope that he gave to our country, the fact that someone came back with a Ebola and survived. There were other Americans that got infected, they used his blood because it had antibodies. They used his blood on these others that were infected and he helped to save their lives. It”€™s just a great story.

This is coming out on the 30th of March, http://facingdarknessmovie.com/ The information is there where theaters are in your area that will be carrying this and also how to get tickets.


Yes, and we”€™ll do links today folks, you can go to WallBuildersLive.com, it’s tomorrow night. And it’s one night only, right Reverend Graham?


One night, yes.


One night. It”€™s one of these special feature deals, it’s in movie theaters all over the country just tomorrow night, March 30th, http://facingdarknessmovie.com/ is one website you go to. We’ll have a link today at our website to make it easy for you.

Reverend Graham, I don’t know if that was your goal or not to to change people’s hearts with this movie but I’m telling you, you did mine. I had never thought about folks like Dr. Brantly and the others that are featured in this movie. They they are just as courageous and we’re huge supporters on this program of our veterans and and people in uniform that are willing to rush into danger and go into flying bullets. I now realize that these missionaries and these doctors are just as courageous, they are literally facing darkness and death when they go into these kind of situations knowing that it’s just as real.


I hope out of this film, at the end of the day, there will be an army of young people who will say, “€œLord, here I am, send me.”€ That’s my prayer.

Facing Darkness


I think that it will have that effect because it’s inspiring in that way and it shows the need is as well, and the faith. Just in that situation, the people that are featured in the movie held on to their faith. I appreciated Dr. Brantly saying towards the end of the movie that it was his faith that got him in that situation and it caused him to look at his faith differently.

We”€™re often told become a Christian and everything’s going to be easy and go perfect for you, and that’s not true, is it?


No, you know, his faith did not save him from Ebola. It matter of fact, it”€™s what got him into a Ebola, his faith. God was there and God showed up in the storm. I want people to see God showing up and he will do that for each and every one of us.


Reverend Graham, if folks that that see the movie, or even just hear in our interview today that want to help whether they’re interested in possibly going places like this and learning how to be trained for that or just donate to Samaritan’s Purse and help fund these ministries, what”€™s the best website for them to go to?


https://www.samaritanspurse.org/, and not only the ministries there but we’ve just got a hospital right now outside of Mosul in Iraq. It’s a trauma hospital, we have wounded that come into this hospital all during the day and through the night.

The battle for Mosul is going on, the Iraqi army is trying to take out ISIS. We have the only hospital there and we’re just 11 miles from the frontline. So we need doctors and nurses, we need trauma room people. People who know how to work in an E.R. and our trauma response. So if anybody is out there, we could use your right now, www.samaritanspurse.org.


Great, www.samaritanspurse.org folks, go there today to find out more. Reverend Graham, so appreciate you, God bless you for your boldness and your steadfast faithfulness and the movie’s great. Facing Darkness tomorrow night March 30th in movie theaters across the country. Thanks for being with us Reverend Graham.


Thank you.


Stay with us folks, we’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

America”€™s History

This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history.   Joseph Story is one of the most important names in American jurisprudence. Not only was he placed on the U.S. Supreme Court but President James Madison but he also founded Harvard Law School and authored numerous legal works on the Constitution. While today’s revisionist claim that the goal of the First Amendment was absolute religious pluralism. Justice Joseph Story vehemently disagreed.

He declared, “€œThe real object of the First Amendment was not to encourage, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but was to exclude all rivalry among Christian denominations.”€

According to Founder Joseph Story, Christianity, not pluralism, was the goal of the Founding Fathers in the First Amendment for only a Christian nation is tolerant and thus is truly pluralistic. For more information on God’s hand in American history contact WallBuilders at 1 800 8 REBUILD.

God Is Always With Us


Welcome back, thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Special thanks to Franklin Graham for coming on the program and obviously for the incredible work Samaritan’s Purse does year in and year out not just in this particular instance but they just do fantastic work, great organization to support.

Back with David and Tim Barton, boy, you talk about it about courage, in the movie it definitely comes across. You realize these people had the chance to get out and be safe come home to us and not have to worry about any of that stuff, and they they collectively made a decision and said, “€œNo, we’re going to stay where God called us.”€


And again, this movie, just tomorrow night. You want to go see this, it’s a great movie. Notice the thing of how they ran toward the trouble was. They didn’t go away from it, it’s in a different country.

I love of Franklin said, “€œHe’s looking for an army of young people who are willing to run toward the danger.”€ I mean, that’s great. In Revelation 12:11, at the end there, talks about they overcame the enemy by the blood of the lamb, by the word of their testimony, and because their loved not their lives under the death. They weren’t trying to save their lives, they were going out to serve.


Which by the way, is one of the things that Franklin pointed out was that it was his faith that caused him to get Ebola, his faith. It wasn’t safe and, “€œWell, God’s going to protect me.”€

No,  it was because of his love for God that he actually went to the danger zone and because of his faith is why he contracted this disease. And you and then Franklin points out that in the midst of a God was with him through it all. So, God didn’t abandon him in this moment.

But it is very much his thought of Daniel, Shadrach, and Abednego. It was their faith that caused them to get in trouble and yet, God was with them in the midst of it. It makes a huge difference, especially if you get medical guys driven by their faith to go serve. There are so many good examples in American history where this happens.


Oh yeah, one of that one of the great examples is if you go to Washington D.C. where the statues all throughout the U.S. Capitol, Statuary Hall is one of those examples, one of the statues that’s been in D.C. for I don’t know how many years, is Father Damien.


Father Damien, he is one of the Hawaii statutes.


Correct, he is one of the two from Hawaii.


That’s right.

Do Not Fear Your Life Unto Death


And Father Damien was a Roman Catholic priest, the reason he’s there is because one of the things he did in his life is he felt compelled to help people in need when he was a priest in Hawaii. There were so many trade ships coming into Hawaii there was a lot of people from other nations that ultimately and unintentionally brought disease with him, and the people in Hawaii didn’t have an immunity built up to it.

So, the king of Hawaii basically banishes a whole section of the colonists. And if you’re sick you have to go live in this colony. Well, they really weren’t getting the care they needed. And by the way, leprosy was kind of a big deal for them. Their belief was it was highly contagious and it was kind of stuff with it.

But the fact was, there was not a lot of care. So, father Damien says, I want to do something. So, Father Damien goes and he starts providing and literally he’s feeding them from his own hands, he’s touching them, he’s helping bury them, he’s digging graves, he’s doing it all himself.

Well, after working there for several years he actually contract leprosy himself, ends up dying of leprosy. But it was his faith that led him to do that. And this is again one of those examples where because of his faith he did not fear is life unto death. But he said, “€œI want to make a difference.”€ And his faith led him to do that.

Benjamin Rush,  Father of American Medicine


Well, you have Benjamin Rush who did the same thing. Benjamin Rush signed the declaration, called the father of American medicine, here’s a guy that in 1793 is living in Philadelphia when they have the yellow fever epidemic.

At that point in time nobody knew what caused yellow fever, they didn’t know it was mosquitoes. They just knew everybody’s dying. They had up to 120 people a day dying in Philadelphia, that”€™s a massive amount.

So, what happened, I think there were like 80 physicians in the city and and the physicians were scared for their lives and they all turned and ran. There were three physicians left in the city. You had Dr. Rush, and actually he had trained two of the black pastors Absalom Jones and Richard Allen how to do medical treatment.

They were there were helping them do medical treatment and he was still teaching at the college there in Philadelphia teaching medicine. And he ends up staying behind and essentially taking care of the city almost by himself.

He himself came down with yellow fever three times and it should have killed him each time but he would not leave. And so this is what’s recorded. One of the things he told his class right in the middle of an epidemic, all the doctors have left, they run to protect their own hides.

This is what he told his class he says, “€œAs for myself, I am determined to remain. I may fall a victim to the epidemic and so may you gentlemen. But I prefer since I am placed chair by divine providence to fall and performing my duty as such must be the consequence of staying upon the ground then to secure my life by fleeing from the post of duty God allotted to me. I will remain, if I remain alone.”€

I’m Going To Make A Difference


That’s courage.


That’s courage. And several those kids stayed, and they died as a result. But it was faith that drove him. That’s what you’ve got in this movie is the faith. Tim said, “€œIt was his faith that got him into trouble.”€ I mean his faith is what led him to a position of serving which is where he got there Ebola virus. So Faith didn’t solve his problems. Faith is what I got in there, but faith is what brought him there.

I’m reminded of two Bible verses, the first one is in second Timothy 3:12 where it says the Godly shall suffer persecution. Now, that’s not an option, it says, “€œShall.”€ So the first question I guess I’d ask is, “€œAre you suffering persecution?”€ If not, why not? Because the Godly shall suffer persecution.

So you got this Christian physician that goes to serve, guys what? He really gets hit hard. And then John 15:20 Jesus says Remember what I told you, a servant”€™s not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they’ll persecute you also. You getting persecuted? Why? Are you greater than Jesus?

So, I really think we have to relook at ourselves on the courage issue and say, “€œHey, if people aren”€™t coming after me, why not? They should be.”€


And by the way, not just people coming after me. We could look at this like the scenario with the Ebola virus. People weren’t coming after this guy, right? But he wasn’t scared of danger.


That’s really what I’m saying, it”€™s not the people coming after you, but if you’re not being attacked spiritually or physically or something you’re not out there stirring up the enemy.


Well, and that’s where I was going to go was  first John where the Bible tells us that perfect love casts out fear. And what’s the number one reason that we don’t want to be in those scenarios and situations? Fear.

All this fear builds up. Woah, perfect love perfect love casts out fear. Well, where does perfect love comes from? Through Jesus our relationship with Jesus and the Father and the work the Holy Spirit does in our life. But this perfect love that God has for us enables us in faith to say, “€œYou know what, I’m not scared of this. I’m going to go make a difference.”€

Franklin Graham even talks about, “€œHey, we need people as Christians, we ought to be praying and saying, God, is this what you want me to do? Because I’m not going be fearful if God says, “€œGo.”€ I’m going to go and whatever happens that’s totally fine, that’s up to God.  And what he wants to do, but I’m just going to be faithful and I’m not going to be fearful.


Look what’s happening now as a result of that Dr. staying on his post like Benjamin Rush and like Father Damon. Look at the cures that are now coming out as a result of this thing. Remarkable that his faith led him there, but his faith may be what saves so many other thousand lives as a result.


No doubt, and it”€™s an inspiring story to really encourage people to go check it out and like we said earlier, it’s a one night only deal, We”€™ll have a link today where you can go to their website find out which theaters it’s playing in close to you. It’s just tomorrow night so March 30th the only night that is going to play. Take your friends and family, get Folks in Church to go with you, it’s a powerful story and it’ll have an impact on you. Thanks for listening today, to WallBuilders Live!