Foundations of Freedom – Has This Ever Happened Before?:  As the craziness of 2020 continues, people are curious about possible paths to the presidency. Should Biden be acting like a winner? What evidence of fraud is there? Is the fraud they are finding enough to change this election? Could the House of Representatives decide who the next president will be? What role should the Supreme Court play? Tune in to hear some enlightening answers to questions like these and much more!

Air Date: 11/12/2020

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live, talking about the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. And once again, today hottest topic there could possibly be as the presidential election, everybody’s talking about it. What, no wait, most of the media is completely ignoring the election. They moved on to the coronation. They’ve moved on to the transition team, not even acknowledging that the election is not over yet.

I’m Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. And guys, we’ve been at it all week, other than yesterday, of course, we took the day off for Veterans Day and once again, want to say thanks, we couldn’t have an election if it wasn’t for those willing to pay the price for our freedom. So thank you to each of you veterans that are listening to the program today.

David, Tim, let’s get caught up. There’s been so much that has happened in just the last 24 hours. Later in the program, we actually have Senator Pat Colbeck with us, former senator from Michigan who’s on the ground there, you’re going to have some updates from there. But things are happening in many states. So David, where do we start?


Okay, the ones that have been decided the last 24 hours, Alaska has not been called for Trump.




Finally. Eight days later, they get it called…

Called Too Soon?


It was only like 65/35. I mean, I can understand why they would be worried about calling it. Yeah.


Yeah, it’s crazy, but it is now called. North Carolina has been called for Thom Tillis in the Senate, but they have not called it for presidency yet. Tom…


That’s big, right? That Senate seat’s big because we needed that one, that gets us to that potential 50/50 or 52/48.


That’s right. It’s going to look like 50 right now, it could be 51, 52, depending what happens in Georgia. But at least it gets us close there where that if Biden does get elected, if Biden is certified, he would then have the House and the Senate and the presidency, all three branches.

Oh, my gosh, what that would be already in just as first transition week, he’s announced more pro-abortion activities than we’ve had since Roe v. Wade. I mean, he’s put them all together and put them on steroids through the State Department, through everything else, it’s an unbelievable change. So that kind of stuff, the three branches there.

But as you point out in North Carolina, that senate race puts a big cramp in that, it’s not over the top yet, but it’s real close. By the way in the house, it is getting much, much closer. As of last night, there were 218 seats decided for the Democrats, there were 205 seats decided for the Republicans and the rest of the seats that are remaining leaning to Republicans at a rate of 3:1. So it looks like that Republicans, it could end up being 219 to 216, a really, really close in the house with Democrats having a narrow margin. That’s the way it looks right now.


Jumping to another state, going into Pennsylvania, interesting, Rudy Giuliani announced that he has identified over 900,000 illegal ballots cast in Pennsylvania. Now, that is enough to flip to Trump. Now, just because he’s identified them doesn’t mean the courts are going to agree with that or going to acknowledge that or going to do anything. But here’s some of the interesting stuff that’s out there. More than 20,000 absentee ballots in Pennsylvania have impossible mail return dates, and another 80,000 have returned dates that raise questions. So that’s 100,000 right there. Grab this.


Now, what does it mean impossible mail return dates, what is the problem there?


Here it is. Over 51,000 ballots were marked as returned the next day after they were mailed. When did the Postal Service have that kind of service, they can mail out the ballots one day and have them returned the next number. Now, that’s 51,000. Let’s keep going here. 35,000 were returned on the same day they were mailed.


That’s impressive.


That’s impressive. And grab this. 23,000 were returned before they were mailed.


That is Wow!


That’s a really impressive. That’s some voodoo magic right there. And 9,000 have no postmark on them at all, which means they’re not supposed to be accepted. So it’s that kind of stuff that they’re finding, so that could be a problem. Again, if a Judge throws it out, and doesn’t do anything with it, well, it doesn’t make much difference at that point.


But nonetheless, if you go to Wisconsin, interestingly, Wisconsin, a former Supreme Court Justice of Wisconsin was one of the poll watchers, and he reports that what he saw going on was absolutely illegal under state law. And so he’s talked about how that with Wisconsin’s mail-in ballot, you have to have a witness who certifies it.

The witness has to put down name, address, etc. And he watched the clerk’s filling in the name, address of the witness, which is illegal under state law. So now you have our former Supreme Court Justice who watched this stuff happening, so that’s a problem. So now that’s a credible voice speaking in that area.

In Arizona, over the last 24 hours, they’ve announced that Biden’s lead has shrunk by another 2,000 votes. They say there’re 61,000 left to go in Arizona. Right now, Biden holds a 15,000 votes lead over Trump, so that one is narrowing down. The Trump attorneys have already challenged a lot of the votes in Maricopa County.

It appears from what they’re reporting that the Trump votes, Republican votes were being rejected at a much higher rate and they were using different standards from what they used to reject Biden votes that they thought were not properly cast, so a double standard there. If that goes through in Maricopa county, that also has a big effect.

And Georgia, word came down, the Secretary of State has dispatched investigators after “an issue was discovered in Fulton County”. Didn’t get what the issue was, just that there’s an issue there. They’re looking at things. They said it could significantly alter Biden vote count in Georgia. So a report from the Secretary of State. If you go to Michigan…


And by the way, in Georgia, David, they’re doing a hand recount at this point. And that could also affect that senate race, because Purdue doesn’t need to pick up that many more votes to get over 50% and therefore not have a runoff there and to guarantee a 51 vote majority for republican, so Georgia is huge right now.



Well, and Rick, let me tell you one thought, we just talked to the congressman from Georgia. And he said that, even though they are doing the hand recount, that it’s only looking at the presidential election. And we said well, wait a second, but if the throwing out bad ballots and on that bad ballot, if they were voting for a senator and it wasn’t in this case, Purdue, wouldn’t that give advantage to Purdue? And he said, well, they’re only looking at the presidential election.

But again, if they ended up throwing out several thousands or tens of thousands of ballots, and on those ballots, it included votes for a senator, you would think it has to affect the senate race at this point. That’s a little undetermined because they’re specifically targeting and looking at the presidential race. Nonetheless, it could have downstream effects, it does impact the senate.


Sounds like Purdue might have to ask her recount himself if they just go qualify a bunch of votes. So that’s Georgia. In Michigan, White House press secretary announced 234 pages of affidavits alleging election irregularities in Michigan. Now, we can talk to pat about this in a little bit. He’s going to be a guest. He’s former state senator to Michigan, has been right in the middle of this. I have seen a news reports that he is one of the guys who has filed a clear affidavit. But here’s one of the things that kind of stands out.

Here we have reported more than 10,000 people who according to the Social Security death index, they are deceased, those 10,000 managed to vote in the election, and another 2,000 voted who are well over 100 years old, and they don’t appear on any of the centenarians list as being 100 year olds that are known to be living in Michigan.

So there appears to be somewhere 10,000 to 12,000 just in that. But again, 234 pages of affidavits, true the vote has moved into Michigan, and they have asked for, it’s supposed to be what’s Freedom of Information Act says to all sorts of things. I doubt that they’re going to get much cooperation with that. But that’s going to Michigan.


And so the eighth state where we have a little information is out of Ohio, which Ohio is not a battleground state, is declared. But Ohio jumped in and filed on the side of the Supreme Court case that was heard back on Monday, where Trump is asking the Supreme Court to uphold the election on Pennsylvania that the Pennsylvania clerk’s ignored. So, as Ohio pointed out, we need clarification on this.

This is law standard, is written. Or can a clerk change the law? Can somebody else, even a Judge change law if they want it different? Or is it the legislature that changes law? And so that’s a big question in front of the court this week. So those are the eight states where we’ve had some kind of update in the last 24 hours.


And what we’re seeing is that there is more and more accounts of what it does appear to be voter fraud. That will have to be tried, and certainly a lot going on. But as you mentioned, Pat Colbeck, he was one of the guys in Michigan, who was tracking some of this. He’s on the ground.

He’s now involved in some of what’s going on with the lawsuits, all the tension going on in Michigan. So it looks like that the whole election in general might not be over, but certainly to get some updates on Michigan, we thought it’ll be great to talk to Pat.


Alright, guys, Pat Colbeck is going to be with us when we come back. And let’s not forget, all these investigations, all this uncovering of these “irregularities”, which could very well be fraud, this is also to secure our future elections. So important that we do all of this hard work to once again get some faith in the outcome of these elections. Stay with us. We’ll be right back with former State Senator Pat Colbeck from Michigan.

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We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Our good friend, former Senator, Pat Colbeck there in Michigan on the ground, watching all the chaos after the election. And boy, Senator, I appreciate your time, man. Thanks for coming on. I know you’re in the thick of it. In fact, you and I were talking at three in the morning, I think it was on election night about some of the things you were already witnessing there. So appreciate you coming on and giving us a quick update.


Yeah, a lot of people have written off Michigan, and I’m here to tell you that just because there’s about 146,123 votes out there the gap in favor of Joe Biden, doesn’t mean Michigan is out of the possible win count for President Trump. And I’ll tell you, we’ve been using a lot of this downtime to go off and investigate what we call right now data anomalies that we’re investigating right here in the state of Michigan.


And I can get in some details on that. But the bottom line is don’t write off Michigan yet, and some of these data anomalies that we’re seeing in Michigan are actually occurring in other states as well, including these battleground states that are so important at this point in time.


Well, let me ask you this way, Senator, and those that don’t know, I mean, you’re an engineer, literally a rocket scientist. And so when you see the data, and you see these things that statistically are either impossible or near impossible are just really, really unusual, immediately, what comes to mind?

I think of computer glitches, which we’ve already seen in some of these counties across the country, but then also, does this point to potential for fraud? And if so, can you uncover that in a recount when you actually get to look at those ballots? That’s a lot of questions wherever you want to take it from there.


The answer it all of them is yes. And we need to go off and investigate it. But it starts with the recognition that when I was at the AB county board in Detroit, I noticed that the tabulators and adjudicator computers were actually networked together via a router that was in turn connected to the internet. That is a no, no on election security.

Furthermore, when you look at the Wi-Fi networks that were out there and active for all the poll books that were out there as well, you notice that there was a Wi Fi access point called AB underscore counter. That seems indicate that there’s computers connected wirelessly to the internet. Why is that a concern? It gets into chain of custody.

And if you’re just going off and doing a completely paper ballot, and you’re handing off your ballot, and you’re counting that area, and you’re handing off your tally of the votes on that ballot from one person to another person, as a poll challenger, I can witness that transaction and I can bird dog if the whole way.


As much as I’d like to sometimes, I’m not small enough to squeeze into an ethernet cable and fall little electrons that are popping back and forth between the computers to follow that chain of custody, to verify that the vote tally is getting reported out of those tabulators actually equates to what is actually being counted. And that is a serious no, no.

And that just to give you an example of some of the anomalies that it’s not just me. There’s people all over the country that and not senior officials, these are just regular old citizens standing up, and many of them are, we’ve got Bernie supporters doing this, we got libertarians, not just Republicans looking at this, they want a free and fair election for everybody.

What they’re going off and identifying is a trend, that if you actually look at the straight ticket voters in the state of Michigan, something very weird happened. And if the more Republican a precinct was, the more of the votes for Donald Trump, when you look at the tallies, actually ended up going towards Joe Biden.

And then when you look the other way, and you started looking at all the more Democratic precincts, what we’re noticing is that the more Democratic precinct was, it went to President Trump. And when you actually plot it out with a nice little linear regression analysis, what you’ll note is that kind of a straight line, which suggests that there’s an algorithm involved. And that’s a no, no.

And so we think we’ve identified the mechanism by which they’re doing this, and we’ve got some really smart people involved in it. But if this is happening in Michigan, like I said, we’ve already demonstrated just by examining three out of the 83 counties in the state of Michigan, just by examining three of those counties, we’ve accounted for potential for 140,000 votes switch. And like I said, the deficit right now is 146,123. That’s Michigan back in play. And this thing type of behavior we’re also seeing evidence and other states.

So it’s going to be interesting. The bottom line is the 2020 election is not over. Joe Biden, no matter how much you want to go off and proclaim it and against what he said he would do during the debate with featuring Chris Wallace as a moderator when he said he wouldn’t claim victory until all the votes were counted, he’s doing just that. And he said, done as part of a way of suppressing morale for people that want a free and fair election. They want to keep that I call it the fake it to make it safe.



Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And Pat, let me just ask you real quick, because a lot of people hear all this and they go, well, maybe there’s a little bit of fraud here and there, but we kind of stomach that stuff or this stuff. I’ve even heard people say this doesn’t happen. Our elections are practically perfect and whatnot.

I mean, just last year in Philadelphia, a Judge of elections was convicted for not only cheating himself, but also certifying what he knew were fake ballots from other people as well. This stuff happens all the time in Philadelphia, Detroit, some of these cities where the democrats have total control, because there’s no transparency. We don’t get to watch those counts and they thought that we would just walk away this time. We’re not doing that, are we?


No, we are not. And the trend analysis that I like to do are not just around votes, I’m actually looking at the messaging around the media. And they started out with a message and their universal talking point was there is no such thing as voter fraud. Then the talking point changed to there is no such thing as widespread voter fraud.


That’s right.


So now they’re acknowledging that there is voter fraud, and I would submit it and you know, our friend, Jeff Ranga Breck loves to say this all the time, I would submit that it doesn’t have to be widespread to be significant. Michigan has 83 counties, if you have voter fraud in one of those counties, like Lane County, the most populous county in the state of Michigan, that can be significant enough to sway the vote for the entire state. So…

True The Vote


I tell you what, Catherine was right 10 years ago when she started TrueTheVote. Her work has been incredible. If she hadn’t been so hampered by federal agencies and others, think of all the good that could have been done across the country already.

And not that she hadn’t done a lot of good, but I mean, we could have cleaned up a lot of this. Last thing, because I promised you only a few minutes, and you’ve given me extra time, and I appreciate it. But what happens with Michigan’s legislature investigating this? Aren’t they one of the ones already having committee hearings, and already looking into this?


They had one committee hearing last Saturday. I’ve been told they’re going to have future Senate committee hearing. So coming up here, I haven’t heard notice of that. I’ve been in discussions with the chairperson of that, because I’ve signed an affidavit as part of a lawsuit that we’re filing here in the state of Michigan.

So we’ve got some election reforms they have to address. And frankly, this is going to get to the point that if the legislature understand all the fraud that is going on, they’re going to have an avenue to go off and assign the electoral college votes in a way that represents the fact that this election may have been actually stolen.

And by the way, when I say one of the words or phrases that’s been used to describe this election is that of an attempted coup. And by the way, that’s not a Republican fan. That’s a registered Democrat observing what was happening on the floor of the counting board in Philadelphia.

And I think people need to be prepared for that actually being completely irrefutably displayed out for everybody to see as a result of these court trials. And by the way, if you want to find out more information on that court trial, and the papers that we’re filing plus get some insights into how technology can be used to subvert the integrity of election, go to, I got a couple posts on specifically that.

This is important stuff, folks. It’s not just impacting Michigan. It’s impacting all the battleground states. And frankly, there’s an analysis to show that it’s actually impacting all the states, not just the battleground states.

Rick: is a website and Pat will actually be back with us next week to talk about after the election, there’s so many things we can do and what is doing to do exactly that and give people a vehicle to do that, and, frankly, a website where they’re not going to get shut down and censored and all those other things. So Senator, we sure appreciate you, brother. Keep up the good work and look forward to having you back.


Hey, thank you very much. Of course, blessing talking with you, my brother.


Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us and thanks to Senator Pat Colbeck for joining us as well. David, Tim, guys like him all over the country. In fact, I know a lot of DBAs and assistant DBAs have gone into states to help attorneys. I mean, there’s a flood of folks headed to the states to help guarantee that legal votes are being ultimately counted and illegal votes are thrown out. So the remedies under the law are being called upon by the president and by these state parties.

Going to Court


And guys, it’ll be really interesting to me to see when this goes to court. And a lot of this does end up being litigated what all comes out. Because it doesn’t matter how many suspicions you have or even in some cases, how many anecdotal evidences you have. Because to win these in court, it can’t be a he said, she said kind of argument.

It can’t be well, I saw them doing something suspicious, you have to have the data and the proof, and it will be interesting to see what the Trump campaign or many cases even some of the state GOPs, maybe RNC, Republican National Committee, different groups are able to put together and how substantial it will be, as I thought was super interesting, when Pat pointed out in just three counties.

They have found almost what they believe to be enough voter fraud to already swing the election in Michigan in just three counties. And there’s more than 80 counties in Michigan. But again, it’s not just what they can find to kind of confirm their suspicions, it’s what you can prove and maybe adjudicate when it comes to a court decision. So that’s where to me it’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out. What level and what amount of evidence do they have? And what will these judges accept?

And certainly for some of these cases, it might make a major difference of where it goes to court. In the sense of what federal court it goes to? What district they’re in? Who those judges are? And this is where looking back, certainly, we are grateful that President Trump was able to appoint so many federal Judges, not because we want Judges that are naturally just going to be on Trump’s side, we want judges who believe in upholding the rule of law. What does the constitution actually say?

What does the state constitution say? What does US Constitution say? What does it actually mean? And having people there that are not just there to promote their political bias, but are going to uphold the rule of law gives you much more confidence that hopefully, God willing, we will get a fair and just result at the end of this with the law being upheld. But it will be interesting to me to see what all they can prove when it comes to court.

A New Kind of Buzz


Evidence will be really important in this. And Tim, as we were talking to the congressman in Georgia as you mentioned earlier, he was talking about a county where they had a lot of very apparent corruption, and so the clerk held off there because the lawsuit was filed and a judge there was a very openly Democrat judge. And he threw out all the challenges, and before anybody could appeal it, the clerk went in and mixed all those challenged ballots with the unchallenged ballots, and they could no longer tell which were good and which were bad, and so without even waiting for the appeal.

And so that kind of stuff can happen as well, they can contaminate the case in such a way that you lose your proof. And so that’s something to consider. But even Rick, as you were talking with Pat, and he was talking about not only watching the data, but watching the rhetoric and how that has gone from, well, there’s no corruption to well, there’s no widespread corruption.

Even yesterday afternoon, a new buzz kind of started in social media, where the Democrat apologists are coming out saying, well, you guys keep saying we want to count every legal vote, that’s a racist statement. Now, you think about that. I think if I were a minority, I’d be heavily offended over that.




That to say counting an illegal vote is a racist statement? You mean, if I’m of a different race, I cheat? I mean, that kind of rhetoric. But it’s even interesting to see how defensive they’re getting over this thing of counting every legal vote.

Biden Fans…


And it does seem to be where the media and sometimes many leftist personalities are going, is that if you disagree with us, or if you challenge what we like you are, therefore by default, a racist. And obviously, is ludicrous. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a racist. Or just because you’re saying, if there are issues, we want to make sure this was a just election.

So let’s go to court. Let’s make sure if Joe Biden won he needed to win because of the legal process that he got there, not because somebody cheated. And if you’re someone who’s a Joe Biden fan, you should be comfortable and confident saying yeah, let’s go to court.

Let’s go to court so you see Joe Biden actually won. Like this should not be a problem for you unless if you are a Joe Biden’s supporter and you are afraid that going to court will expose the voter fraud and will maybe cost Joe Biden the White House, then you’d be opposed to it.

But if you support the just elections and the rule of law, and what people are arguing is this Democratic process of voters and elections, you shouldn’t be opposed to this being challenged to confirm the legitimacy of what actually happened. And so when people are now saying that you are a racist, because you want to confirm the legitimacy of what actually happened, that is just one of those ploys that they really don’t have a good argument or answer.

And if you disagree with us, you’re going to be racist. Which is one of the funny things with the rhetoric of what Joe Biden is saying now is he wants to be the president, for every American, we’re all going to come together. You were just calling Trump supporters names, and saying they were terrible people, and they were dumb, and this and that, but now you’re saying we’re going to come together? This is where rhetoric has just gotten ridiculous in the modern culture.

Foundations of Freedom – Has This Ever Happened Before?

And so as Christians, dad, one of the things you’ve talked about, I think is so interesting with some of our Bible study, in Revelations 21:8, when it lists people that are going to face this crazy judgment, the lake of fire, the very first group that identifies are those who are cowards or cowardly. And as Christians, we want to make sure we don’t fall in that cowardly camp, and we can’t be scared of people calling us names that aren’t true because we are promoting justice as Christians. We want to promote what is true and what is just.


And that’s exactly what we’re going to continue to do. We’ll have more election coverage tomorrow. We’ve got a special guest tomorrow, former Congresswoman Michele Bachmann. Be sure to tune in tomorrow for Good News Friday. Thanks for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.