Roe v. Wade Might Lose Its Traction, Abortion Percentages Going Down: Good News Friday today on WallBuilders Live! Lately, we have more good news than we’ve had time to share, which is good news in itself! Tune in now to hear about just some of the good things that have been happening in our country recently, and in this episode, we are focusing in on pro-life!

Air Date: 03/31/2017


Guests: Michael New, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Welcome

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture.  This is WallBuilders Live! You can find out more about us at our websites WallBuildersLive.com and WallBuilders.com. We’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture all from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re doing that here with David Barton, America’s premiere historian.  Also, Tim Barton, national speaker, pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green.  I’m a former Texas state rep and national speaker as well.

You can find out more about all three of us by going to those websites, and more importantly, find out about our organization because we’re out there presenting America’s forgotten history and heroes with an emphasis on our religious, moral, and constitutional heritage.

Today is Friday.  So it’s Good News Friday around here at WallBuilders which means David and Tim have been collecting stories to share with us that we probably haven’t heard anything about in the news because they’re good news and mostly they only report the negative news. So David, Tim, you got some good news to share with us today?

Wyoming”€™s New Pro-Life Bill

David:

We’ve got lots of good news, and none of it is fake news either. It’s all true news.

Rick:

No fake news here.

David:

We’ve got it all real and all good news.

Rick:

Alright, let’s dive in. Who’s got the first bit of good news? Tim?

Tim:

Yeah, I have lots of good news related to a specific topic. Really, I didn’t even go through all my stack but the first four or five articles I saw were all related to the issue of life. Various states have been passing measures to support life in their state,  in this case,  Wyoming.

The governor of Wyoming, Matt Mead, signed what is described as “€œa historic piece of legislation.”€ The reason it’s historic is because it’s the first pro-life measure in Wyoming in 28 years! It”€™s really remarkable that Wyoming is now coming to the place where they’re going to protect life, something that hadn’t been done in Wyoming in 28 years.

David:

Twenty-eight? That goes back to 1989?

Rick:

That”€™s a long time.

Tim:

It does surprise me, Wyoming.

Rick:

Yeah, I would have thought they would’ve been doing some good pro-life legislation.

David:

Ronald Reagan had just left office when they- good gracious.

Tim:

Yeah, it certainly would surprise you, thinking that Wyoming is your ranch-kind of country people, generally, tend to be more pro-life. Well, this piece of legislation is am ultrasound bill, essentially. It requires an abortion practitioner to offer women the chance to have an ultrasound before they proceed with the abortion. But they’re also required to ask if the mother wants to hear the baby’s heartbeat.

One of the things we know statistically is that when a mother hears the heartbeat, if a mother sees the ultrasound, the chances that she has an abortion just fall through the floor, almost never happens.

If they hear the heartbeat, they hear or see the ultrasound, because then they recognize, “€œThis is an actual human life.”€ This isn’t the fetus, piece of tissue that’s been described on modern stations, or news channels, or in whatever modern science textbook they have. And so this really is a remarkable piece of information and something that certainly will make a difference in the lives of the unborn in Wyoming.

This Might Put Abortion Clinics Out Of Business

Rick:

Good stuff! David, how about you? Pro-life good news in your stack?

David:

Oh yeah, I got some good stuff here. Back in 2015, two years ago, in Arkansas, they passed a law that says, “€œAn abortion facility has to connect with a physician who has hospital admitting privileges.”€   Now, you would think, “€˜That’s logical, if someone is going to perform a surgical procedure on me I would want that person to be able to get me to a hospital if something went wrong.”€

They talk about pro-lifers and backroom abortions. No, no, I think the abortion clinics are the backroom abortions, because if you”€™ve got somebody doing a surgical procedure that can’t admit you to a hospital? My goodness, what kind of medicine is that?

Nonetheless, Arkansas said, “€œHey, here’s the deal.  If you’re going to have an abortion we want the physician to be someone who has admitting privileges to a hospital.”€ Well, a federal judge struck that down and said, “€œYou can’t do that.”€

So they then appeal it.  And their Circuit Court of Appeals is the eighth Federal Circuit Court of Appeals. So the eighth circuit court of appeals, they just recently argued this law there.

Part of the proceedings before the 8th Circuit the question came up about, “€œWell, how hard is it to get physicians with admitting privileges there?”€ And so here’s what the Planned Parenthood people testified on this.  They said that they sent a letter to every OBGYN in this state, every single one of them, 225 OBGYN in Arkansas, asking them if they would be part of the abortion clinic and be the admitting doctor for privileges.

Zero responses. Not a single OBGYN in the state of Arkansas wanted to participate in abortions, wanted to be part of any abortion clinic. So the fact that you’ve got no physicians that want to do abortions in Arkansas, that’s good news.

Rick:

That’s great news. How did that impact? Are they not allowed? Or are there no clinics operating in Arkansas at this point?  Do we know?

David:

There are because they put a stand on the law so everybody who is there is still there. Now they will wait for the 8th Circuit to see what the circuit does. But this is why Planned Parenthood is arguing against it to say, “€œHey, well, if we have to have a doctor with submitting privileges we’ll all go out of business because no doctor wants to do this.”€

Rick:

“€œWe’ve only got so many doctors of death in the country that are willing to do this kind of stuff. So please.”€

David:

“€œDoctors don’t want to kill, so that will put us out of business. That’s not fair for us.”€

Wait, I thought public health was the issue. Well, apparently not. So they apparently want to say that it’s okay to do surgical procedures with someone who does not have admitting privileges.

Why There Has Been A Decline In Abortions Recently  

Rick:

I wonder, these types of laws, how much they’re contributing to the reduction in abortion that we have around the country. In fact, we’ve got a question from one of our audience members saying, “€œLook, you guys have been talking about how many fewer abortions are occurring in America. Does that have anything to do with the increase in abortifacient, such as, the morning after pill, or even with birth control? What is it that’s causing it?”€

David:

Yeah, because let”€™s say that you have a whole lot more abortifacients than abortion that would explain why abortion is going down because you’re now doing abortions at one week, two weeks, and three weeks.

Tim:

Yeah, you don’t need a doctor to perform a procedure if you can take a pill and it does the same thing just a couple of days after, or a couple of weeks after. So that’s a logical question. And that could be a logical conclusion if there’s less abortions because now we’re taking pills that “€œsolves the problem?”€ of the unwanted pregnancy. That really could be why you’re seeing the decline, if that were the case.

Rick:

Well, you guys had mentioned, when we got the question in, Dr. Michael, who we’ve had on the program many times, great researcher,  he’s a political science professor at Ave Maria University and he dives into this stuff. He knows how to really study the data, if you will, and figure out what’s the real result.

David:

Yeah, he testifies at legislatures all over the nation. He’s an expert witness on statistical impact of abortion laws, anti-abortion laws, whatever they are. Whether it be the Planned Parenthood side, Alan Guttmacher, what they say on stat’s. Whether it be the pro-life side, he is a statistical guru on this particular issue. And if anybody is going to know whether that abortions have really gone down or whether they’re only going down because it is more abortifacients he’ll be the guy to know.

Rick:

Fortunately, he”€™s going to be with us when we return. So, stay with us folks, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live!

Moment From American History

This is TimBarton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. In the early seventeen hundreds the Reverend John Wise preached that all men were created equal, that taxation without representation was tyranny, and that God’s preferred form of government was the consent of the governed.

All of which is language recognizable in the Declaration of Independence. Why? Because in 1772 the Sons of Liberty led by founders Sam Adams and John Hancock reprinted and distributed the Reverend Wise’s sermons.

Four years later much of the declaration reflected the language of those sermons by John Wise.  In 1926 on the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence President Calvin Coolidge affirmed, “€œThe thoughts in the declaration can very largely be traced back to what John Wise was saying.”€

Few today know that the declaration was so strongly influenced by the Rev. John Wise. For more information on this and other stories go to WallBuilders.com.

More Likely To Carry The Pregnancy To Term

Rick:

Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Dr. Michael New back with us, professor there at Ave Maria University. Dr. New, always good to have you, Sir.

Michael:

Good to be back! Thanks for having me.

Rick:

We appreciate your time! We got a listener question and David’s first response was Dr. New, we need to call Dr. New. The question was, “€œIf abortions are down right now, is it because of the increase in abortifacients that, I guess, are not reported as an abortion? So, your thoughts?

Michael:

Well, that’s a good question. I don”€™t think the decline of the abortion rate is due to abortifacients. We know this because some statistics that we can see. The other side does agree that abortions are going down but they often claim contraception.

It is true that various kinds of contraceptives use numbers have increased. But what’s interesting is that unintended pregnancy rates have been very stable. Even though more people use contraceptives, the teen pregnancy rate has stayed about the same.

So, I think that should give people pause to advocate for contraceptive use. We see contraceptive use increasing but no reduction in unintended pregnancies. We do see though, a higher percentage of unintended pregnancies being brought to term.

We see that through statistics, actually Guttmacher, of all places, released of that.

It was 30 years ago or so maybe only 40 percent of unintended pregnancies brought to term. Now it”€™s at 60 percent. So when women find themselves pregnant unexpectedly they’re less likely to have an abortion, they’re more likely to carry that child to term.

I think there’s a lot of things at play here. Partly, we’ve changed hearts and minds, partly it’s the protective laws, partly it’s a great work being done by pregnancy resource centers across the country.

So, again, when you look at why abortion numbers are declining. The big thing is that when women find themselves pregnant they’re more likely to carry that pregnancy to term. That’s a big thing driving the abortion rate decline.

Abortion Percentages Going Down

Rick:

Ok, so let me make sure I understood you correctly. Abortions themselves are going down and we’re actually having more unintended pregnancies carry to term. So, it couldn’t be just abortifacients if you actually have the completion of the pregnancy, that was, I guess, statistically through the studies and the polling we know was an unintended pregnancy which in the past we saw more of those end in abortion.

Michael:

Yeah, that’s correct. Again, unintended  pregnancy rates are about the same but there is a higher percentage of pregnancies that are being carried to term. And that really explains why the abortion rates have gone down and partly it’s protective laws, partly it’s great work our privacy researchers are doing, and probably pro-lifers have just done a good job changing hearts and minds.

Rick:

I wonder how much of that too would be traced to some of the state laws that have to have the sonograms, so then the person changes their mind when they see that baby, see that life in there. Or even just some of the information laws where they find out what’s really happening because a lot of times they didn’t even know. So, based on your research, think that those things have also helped as well?

Michael:

Yeah, I think informed consent laws have certainly been very helpful. Well over 30 states have them. When they’re well-designed, when people do have to see color photos, fetal development, and when they do get good information about alternatives, good information about health risks, then you do see abortion rates go down, anywhere from about three to seven percent.

They are not magical, they don’t turn everybody away. But as I always said, you present people an alternative and sometimes they”€™ll take that alternative. So, incrementally those informed consent laws are passed in many states are doing some very good work.

Rick:

Alright, good stuff with Dr. New. We knew you would have the answer to the questions. We appreciate you coming on, Sir.

Michael:

Thanks for having me! Keep up the great work.

Rick:

Appreciate it! Stay with us folks, be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Constitution Alive

Have you ever wanted to learn more about the United States Constitution but just felt like, man, the classes are boring or it’s just that old language from 200 years ago or I don’t know where to start? People want to know. But it gets frustrating because you don’t know where to look for truth about the Constitution either.

Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. It’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders”€™ library where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

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Millennials Are Getting Fewer Abortions

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live, thanks for staying with us! Thanks to Dr. Michael New for joining us today on this Good News Friday as well. We’re back with David and Tim.

He was pretty clear. I hadn”€™t even thought about the numbers, that they actually keep up with the unintended pregnancies were they keep the baby.

Tim:

That was an interesting thought, I never thought that either. But certainly, it makes a lot more sense of now 60 percent of unwanted pregnancies are actually carried to term and they’re having that baby as opposed to what used to be 40 percent.

It does seem there would have to be a cultural shift. In previous generations if there was an unwanted pregnancy that the statistical majority those would end abortion. Now the statistical majority of those don’t in abortion. It certainly would seem it would be much more than just a change of abortifacient, why we’re having less abortions. It does definitely seem like there’s a change in the mentality of the next generation that are getting pregnant there is a greater value of life from them if they are carrying the term. That is really encouraging.

David:

And with that, you hit it Tim,  the next generation. Because if abortions are going down, now we can now say they are going down, if they are it’s because the generation of childbearing, those who are capable of having children that abortions are going down in that group. That starts bringing millennials right into it because that’s the big childbearing generation right now is millennials.

The Shocking Shift From Millennials

Which makes this next good news fairly significant because what we have seen for generations is that the older the group, the more pro-life they are. So those who are 55 to 65 are pro-life but those who are 65 and older are more pro-life. So when you come back on the other end and you look at those in the twenties and thirties, single women, they tend to be a whole lot less pro-life. It’s been the older folks that are more pro-life. But now, there is a significant shift going on in that millennials.

The media likes to say, “€œThe younger generation is not pro-life, there’s a shift in demographics in America and they’re not pro-life.”€ But what we have now from just a new set of surveys that are out is 53 percent of millennials, and that’s individual between 18 and 31, so that’s the group that has seemed to have been pro-abortion. Fifty-three percent of Millennials now think that abortion should be illegal. Or that it should be legal only in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

So, not at will on demand kind of abortions, 53 percent of millennials are now anti-abortion. That’s a nine-point gain from only four years ago. So that’s a pretty significant shift after 53 percent.

And then another study that’s come out since the time of Roe v. Wade, there’s what they call the GSS survey, which is a General Social Science survey, and it has six questions on abortion and they’ve been asking this question since Roe v. Wade.

Here’s what they ask, “€œShould abortion be legal under the following options: Yes or no, one if the woman is raped, two if there’s a strong chance of a fetal defect, three that the pregnancy poses a risk to the woman’s health, four if the woman has low income, five if the woman is unmarried and does not want to marry the man, and six if the woman is married and does not want more children.”€

So how do you answer yes or no to each of those six questions? Now in the 1970s and 1980s young adults more than any other group said, “€œYes, abortion should be legal in those six circumstances.”€

But starting around 2000 it started shifting. Since 2000 it continues to grow in the opposite direction where young adults are now more likely to oppose all six of those.

So, what you see is they’re not embracing the pro-life label, they don”€™t  go around saying, “€œI’m pro-life”€ but their views are more pro-life when you ask them about their position on life.

But What About The Mother’s Life

Tim:

It’s interesting, one of those six, as you’re reading them, of course, I’m saying, “€œNo, abortion is always wrong.”€ But then it talks about, “€œWhat if the life of the mother is threatened?”€

And I recently talked to a doctor and she was talking about, and she’s very pro-life, but she was talking about the feel in the medical industry and she says, “€œEspecially for Christians,  these pro-life doctors that have a Biblical mindset, they said, “€˜We never look at at the idea of ending or terminating a pregnancy. We know that God has done this.”€ So I said, “€œWell, what about if the life of the mother?”€

We’ve even talked about it at that point does self-defense come into play, right? God gives us the right of self-defense, so if my life is threatened, Biblically I can use whatever force necessary to protect my life. And so is that possibly the case in abortion?

And so to me, that was kind of a conflicting issue, and this doctor said, “€œReally, you’re looking at it the wrong way. The job of a doctor is to save life. And we want to save both lives. But we understand we have to save the mother if we are going to save the baby because the baby is viable through the mother. So the priority is we save the mother then we save the baby. So we’re not in favor of terminating a pregnancy, ever, but we’re just going to save based on a kind of scale of mother first and then the child. But we never favor turning the pregnancy.”€

I thought, “€œIt’s an interesting way to look at it, because it would be easy to go with, “€˜Well, there is the  nuance exceptions.”€ But then when you hear someone in the medical industry say, “€œThat’s really not the way we look at it.”€ It even changes the thought of how we ask that question.

Now, it’s not, “€œWell, hey, what if?”€ Because as a Christian, what about self-defense? Well, that’s even the wrong thought when it comes to this issue because medically, they do it a different way even though what we think.

And the reason that that struck me is because so often I was thinking about the questions that were asked, is based on the questions that are asked or even who you ask the questions to you really can come up with some very skewed perspective.

Looking at polling where Hillary was supposed to win the presidency in a landslide. Well, who were you polling? And what questions did you ask to get it so wrong? I wonder sometimes when we look at issues like life or traditional marriage or traditional values, if we’re asking the wrong questions and the wrong people and therefore we come up with a skewed perspective, this is a great example where you see millennials generally aren’t in that same traditional perspective were other younger teens have been in generations past. So, it is encouraging news.

David:

Aand it is cool that in this case they’ve been asking the same six questions since back at Roe v. Wade. So they’ve used those same questions so any skewing in this case there’s going to be scurrying across the generations which kind of helps the credibility of this as opposed to a single poll. We’ve been doing this poll for coming up on 45, 48 year,s whatever it is.

Rick:

Going to take a quick break, we’ll be right back. Stay with us, you’re listening to Good News Friday on WallBuilders Live!

Avalon Project

Tim:

Hey, guys, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders. I know you hear my dad and Rick talk a lot about our Founding Fathers about the original intent of our nation, a constitutional heritage that we have. And really we’ve seen how far we slipped away from that. And I know a lot of us as we hear my dad and Rick talk think, “€œI wish there was a place that I could go where I could see these documents and I could read and learn about the Founding Fathers firsthand.  See the things they did.”€  

I want to give you some websites today that can help you accomplish that very thing. If you get online you can go to places like Library of Congress and you can look under their century of lawmaking or historical documents. You can go to the Avalon Project, to the Founders Constitution, Google Books, or even the internet archives.  

Or you can just go to WallBuilders.com. We have a section for our library. And under that section we have different subgroups for historical documents, historical writings, even a place where you can get helpful links to find out more information about other websites.  Where you can do research for yourself and find the truth for yourself. Friends, this is the time that we need to know who we are and where we came from. WallBuilders.com is a great place to go.

A Little Family Feud

Rick:

Welcome back! Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live! One more segment of good news. During our break folks, just so you know, David and Tim we’re having an arm wrestling match over who is going to give the last bit of good news today and I’m not sure who actually won. So, I’m just going to open with silence.

David:

Treachery in old age always overcomes youth and inexperience.

Rick:

They probably don’t believe me that that actually happened. Did we record the argument? We need to ask our producer if we recorded the discussion between David Tim as to who was going to win the discussion.

Tim:

It was very difficult to remain respectful as he was trying to take my time away.

Rick:

Did he actually take your stack though?

Tim:

He was he was trying to clip my wings. Let me go, let me fly, I can do this! Just stay out of it.

Rick:

Well, now we have less time. Sorry guys, I got us off track.

Roe v. Wade Might Actually Lose Traction

Tim:

That’s alright, I got it. So, Alabama is a state we’re going to for good news. It”€™s really interesting, just in the last couple of weeks they had what they termed, “€œtheir pro-life day in Alabama.”€ This was the Alabama House Republican leaders and they really worked through a lot of pro-life measures that day and really some fun stuff they did.

They held a moment of silence for the millions of babies who were aborted every year as they acknowledged there on the House floor. Then they had this measure declaring Alabama as a right to life state and actually a measure that they’re voting to see about changing their state constitution.

Their state constitution would say, “€œA right to life State”€ and several things that followed with that and that that passed the house with a 67/14 vote it’s now going to the Senate and if the Senate approves it, it will be put on a state ballot measure that people will vote on in the next election.

One of the things that they identified with this measure is to recognize and support the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn children. Most importantly the right to life is the new wording that would go in their state constitution.

Now, that’s a really really strong wording. In fact, some of the opponents say, “€œWell, that’s contrary to Roe versus Wade. So we can’t put that in our state constitution.”€ And some people on the other side are pointing out, “€œWell, it looks like maybe with some new leadership in the White House that this whole Roe vs. Wade thing might actually lose traction.”€

It”€™s possible with a different Supreme Court justice there could be a different ruling. And so people think that Alabama might just be positioning themselves to to be in a place where if Roe versus Wade ever does change, at least the way it’s recognized now is being recognized as the law of the land, which the Supreme Court can’t do law so they can’t have the law of the land.

Nonetheless, if that is changed, then Alabama is already going that direction. They also passed a bill that bans assisted suicides and establishes criminal penalties for violating that measure. So if you help assistant you’re going to jail.

They also approved a bill allowing health care providers to decline to perform services that violate their conscience including abortion and stem cell procedures giving doctors immunity from civil, criminal, or administrative liability.

So, Alabama did an awful lot in this pro-life day, that’s really encouraging news and I’m pretty sure no national network covered this incredible day from Alabama.

David:

No, CNN had this headlined.

Rick:

Yeah right.

David:

Red letter across the top on CNN.

Tim:

Yeah, I’m sure that’s what happened. Not even Fox News. Nobody carried this. But incredible.

Rick:

But here on WallBuilders Live, a full day of pro-life good news from across the country and continues to be that way. We’ve had so much good news in that particular arena and of course for years it seemed like we were losing battle after battle on that issue and it was wonderful to see so many victories and so much good news to be able to share with our listeners.

Folks, you can get more of our Good News Friday programs, if you want to go back a couple of weeks and enjoy some more of those. You can, it’s all right there on our website at WallBuildersLive.com. Thanks so much for listening to WallBuilders Live!