Guns, Science, Free Speech, and More on Good News Friday:  Good News Friday today on WallBuilders Live!  Tune in now to hear about just some of the good things that have been happening in our country recently. In this episode, we discuss things such as, science and the Bible, Christians and guns, free speech on campus, blocking physician-assisted suicide, and more!

Air Date: 11/24/2017


Guests: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture, this is WallBuilders Live! Where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, all of it from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and the founder of WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker, pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green.  I’m a former Texas state legislator, national speaker, and author.  

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And then WallBuilders.com, our main website. There’s a wealth of material there and resources you can download, articles you get all kinds of great information. And also a great place to go for your Christmas shopping because there’s a lot of great tools there that your friends and family would wonderfully enjoy in those books and those DVDs.

It is Friday which means it’s Good News Friday. David and Tim Barton have been compiling some good news for us. They’ve got stacks to share, so I’m not sure who’s going first. David, I’m assuming you?

Christianity or the Bible and Science are Incompatible?

David:

Yes, sir. I’m going to start.  And by the way, I’ve got kind of a premise to put out. We often hear that Christianity or the Bible and Science are incompatible. Those two things are hostile to each other and particularly secular folks tend to say that it is Christians, it’s Biblical people who stand in the way of science, and that we’re kind of Neanderthals.  Kind of backwards, and we need to fund what science shows and get away from funding faith stuff.  Just as a question – do you agree with the premise that we should be funding what science proves rather than what faith declares?

Tim:

Define, “We should be funding.”

David:

Good question.

Tim:

Because who is the “we”?  Because if it’s the federal government, well no.

David:

Let’s say the federal government. Should federal government be funding where science leads or should it fund what belief dictates?

Rick:

I would argue in general it shouldn’t fund any of that since the article 1 section 8 only says it should protect those things for the private market to fund. There are certain things for military I think you can justify, and space exploration, that sort of thing. But I would say none of the science should be funded by the federal government.  But that’s just a–

David:

Well, let’s take the premise it’s going to be funded.

Rick:

Okay.

David:

Because this–

Rick:

The money is going to be spent, national endowment–

David:

Take the premise the money’s going to be spent. So if money’s going to be spent, what do you think of the premise of funding what science proves rather than what belief dictates?  

Rick:

Well, that’s certainly what the left has argued for years. So yeah, let’s turn it back on them. I’m assuming we got some good science that actually backs up faith.  Maybe like — I was reading a book recently and the lady kept saying – she’s a neuroscientist lady – that, “Science is catching up to the Bible.”

David:

Yeah.

God Had it Right All Along

Rick:

I love that phrase because you know it says, “God had it right all along.” We’re finally catching up with science. But anyway, I’m getting ahead of myself. What’s your story?

David:

Well,  that’s basically the premise.  What Trump has announced is he’s no longer going to fund Planned Parenthood sex education.  He’s going to follow the science.

Rick:

Ah.

David:

And following the science means that you’re not going to fund comprehensive sex ed.  You’re going to fund abstinence education. So what he said now is we’re just going to follow — the funding is going to follow the science.

Science says that comprehensive sex education does not work and that absence education does.  So there is a piece of good news and it’s actually being used against the guys who often throw that in our faces because their stuff doesn’t work. But the Biblical perspective does.  And you’re right, Rick.  Actually, science is catching up with the Bible. And so that’s a good news piece coming from Trump.  

With that, I’ve got two more that are kind of following on the same heels of that.  They really kind of all go together.

Health and Human Services Says Life Begins at Conception

And Health and Human Services, for example. If you take HHS they have come out now with their mission statement and their mission statement now —  Now grab this, this is the mission statement for the entire department, * department, and their mission statement now defines life as beginning at conception. Health and Human Services is supposed to be about health and they now define health as beginning at conception.

So we have an agency in the federal government, a big agency.  I was told one time that just the employees within the Health and Human Services, which is one of 15 Cabinet-level departments, that just the employees in that agency would constitute the world’s sixth largest government.  Just by itself.

So that’s one of 15.  But nonetheless, they now in their mission statement define life as beginning at conception.  Right along with that as the House and Senate are working their way through their tax reform bills under the various credits that exist they’re now allowing you to set up 529 accounts, savings accounts, etc., for unborn children. So we’re starting to see unborn children recognized to the same degree of human life as we believe, and as the Bible teaches, and the science has confirmed.

So a lot of stuff related to life and related to Biblical views of sexuality that are really good that are happening right now.

Abstinence Education Gets Good Results

Rick:

And it’s good to see that they’re basically saying, “Look, we’re measuring the results and we know it’s data driven even to say that the abstinence education gets good results.  Better for the culture. When you do this comprehensive “sex education” it’s very bad results for the culture.  

In fact, I think that’s probably behind a lot — the whole sexual revolution thing is behind all this. We’ve got all the sexual harassment stuff happening in Hollywood in Washington, D.C. and all that. You know what, like Matt Walsh said in one of his articles, maybe we shouldn’t have gotten rid of our sexual morals and underpinnings of some concept of right and wrong. We’re living with the bent with the negative results of that.

David:

Yeah, and it’s interesting that we rejected that earlier even though Bible and science were on the same side.  It’s just not what the culture wanted to do at the time.  So we threw it out and now we’re paying the consequences of it and it makes the Bible look all that much smarter as if God actually knew what He was talking about.  It turns out, He does. We keep finding that time after time – be a whole lot easier if we just believe that going in rather than having to put our hand on the stove to get burned to learn that actually what He says works.

Rick:

Yeah, imagine that. Quick break – we’ll be right back. Tim Barton is up next with some good news. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment in American history. America is a special and unique nation. The average length for a constitution in other countries is only 17 years. But we’ve had ours for over two centuries. Our 4 percent of the world’s population produces 24 percent of the world’s gross domestic product and every year we produce more inventions and technology than the other 96 percent of the world combined.

In 1831 Alexis de Tocqueville of France came to America, traveled the country, and in his famous book, “Democracy in America” reported,  “The position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional. It may be believed that no Democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one.”

This is the origin of the phrase “American exceptionalism” and affirms that America is unique because of the distinctive ideas on which we’ve been based. Including in inalienable rights, individuals, and limited government, and the importance of religion, and morality. For more information about American exceptionalism go to WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back.  Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Good news Friday today and Tim Barton is up with good news. Tim, what you got?

Connection Between God and Guns

Tim:

Guys, this one is a, I guess, study done related to church attendance, to Christianity, a lot of things involved. But the title of this is the connection between God and Guns. Now there has certainly been a lot of discussion over the last several weeks of the issue of God and guns especially since you had the shooting down in Sulphur Springs where you have the gunmen going to the church and murders a couple dozen people. Then you have the good guy–

David:

By the way, can I point out that we tend to forget recent ones before that? That’s the 14th church that’s had a major shooting involved in it. So there’s been a lot before that. It’s not like it’s the first time.   It’s really tragic, it’s the largest church shooting I think, but it’s not a new thing. This is the 14th time we’ve had a church where somebody has gone in and shot them up in recent years.

Tim:

It’s probably worth pointing out, too, that none of those shootings were from active church members who were Bible-believing Christ followers. Which is also interesting.

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim:

Because it’s not the Christians that are going and doing this.  Although, today where Christians are kind of labeled as the crazy ones, and they’re the bad ones in society.  Yet, we’ve never done this.

David:

But I think that we need to point out that every one of those shootings was perpetuated by an NRA member.

Tim:

No, no, no, no.

David:

Oh, no, maybe not.

Rick:

Yeah, no, I can think of some NRA members involved in these shootings like stopping the bad guy.

David:

Oh, maybe that’s what it is.

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Right.

Tim:

So that concept of a good guy with a gun is the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun does appear to be true here. Well, what’s kind of the point of this article we’re looking at now on Good News Friday is Pew Research Center went through and analyzed all kinds of data.  Essentially, they’ve come out with findings that show which groups of Christians are more likely to carry guns.

Now they broke it down demographically.  I am reading what’s there because I can imagine if I start saying some of this, people are really going to be going, “Now wait a second, why are you labeling and picking these groups?”

I didn’t pick the groups.  This is how Pew Research Center has broken down and analyzed what it is. But they said the people that are the most likely to own a handgun and carry with them are white evangelicals.

Now as this article points out, there are several studies out there.  Predominantly the people that are most likely to carry guns, in general, tend to be evangelicals, as far as the Christian community is concerned.

And then the white Evangelicals tend to be the most frequent carriers, the highest percentage.  But one of the things the article points out is that evangelicals were the only religious group in which a plurality say that putting more emphasis on God and morality in schools and society is the most important thing that could be done to prevent future mass shootings.

How To Prevent Mass Shootings

David:

So the people who are not involved in the mass shootings and the people who perpetuate the fewest mass shootings are giving the solution on how to avoid mass shootings.  That makes sense. I mean you go to those that — where it works.

Tim:

But also notice what they’re saying is that the solution to avoid mass shootings is we need more God.  We need more morality taught in schools. We’re in today, in you know, kind of this subjective postmodern era.  We’re telling kids saying, “Just do whatever you feel, whatever you think is right, whatever it means to you.”

This is what we are perpetuating and telling students that we’ve removed God, removed the standard of morality. And so you have these evangelicals that are saying, “Look, the best solution is not more gun control,” which is what many people are calling for. They’re pointing out, “No, no, no, the best solution is we need more God in America and we need more morality absolute standards taught in school, and this would be the solution.”

So interesting article.  But what’s the good news out of this is that you don’t have these evangelicals who are the ones targeted in this last mass shooting saying, “Hey we need more gun control.  We need stricter gun control.  We need guns taken away from people.”

They’re not fighting against the Second Amendment or even the Biblical right of self-protection and self-defense. What they’re saying is, “Actually, we need more of God this would be the solution.”

Which of course, as Christians, we believe is if more people were following Biblical standards of morality, even the Ten Commandments that “You shall not murder,” it would really resolve a lot of these conflicts. But interesting setting and certainly good news from a Biblical perspective, and even a constitutional perspective, that you have the majority of these evangelicals that are not calling for the removal of guns or stricter gun control.  They’re actually saying, “We just need to get back to God and teach morality in schools again.”  Which I absolutely agree with.

Rick:

And of course, if we take a Biblical worldview approach where we’re going to allow that Biblical perspective, constitutional perspective, historical perspective, to guide us on the right thing to do, even the Biblical approach would be that we should be prepared to defend ourselves and our families and certainly what Jesus told His disciples, right?

Jesus and Peter’s Sword

Tim:

Well,  Jesus before He went to the garden of Gethsemane.  as you’re pointing out, and kind of referencing, Jesus stopped His disciples and said, “Now wait a second.  Who has a sword?” And there were 12 of — actually 11 at that time because Judas is about to come with people to betray Him.  So there were 11 with Him and they said, “Well,  Lord, we have two swords.” He said, “That’s enough – let’s go.”

Now, why did Jesus even want them to have a sword? It certainly wasn’t so that Peter would pull out his sword and cut off the ear of the man.  Well, no that’s not why He wanted them to have the sword.

They didn’t have enough swords to start a war.  they didn’t have enough swords to be aggressive.  But they did have swords so that if their life was threatened they might be able to defend their life or those with them.

And this is one of the significant things that oftentimes we miss about the Bible. Jesus told them, “You need a sword.” Okay, we have two for eleven.  that’s one for every five. Roughly, right, 20 percent of us have guns.  That’s enough.  If 20 percent of every church had guns, I would venture to say that probably there wouldn’t be mass shootings the way we’re having them today.  Because there would be enough armed people to stop the bad guy with guns.

And, Rick, one of the things that certainly, as we look at Jesus being kind of the symbol as the man is the husband of the wife.  Christ is a husband of the church, the kind of that perspective. But if you look at what God is, and who God is to us, and then that the father of the home has been called more or less to be that to his family.

Well, he’s a provider,  He’s the protector. You go down the list. Well,  God offers protection, Jesus is the loving protector.

Well,  that’s what the father is called to be for the home.  And this is certainly a Biblical perspective that we offer that protection because we value life. We want to protect the life of our kids, we want to protect the life of our spouse.  We want to protect because we do value that life.  That’s certainly the Biblical perspective is the reason we value life.

Rick:

Right.

Pilgrims Carried Guns to Church

David:

And that’s also,  just think of the analogies He uses.  When He talks about a good shepherd, a good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.  A good shepherd protects the sheep.  He’ll get out there and throw himself at the wolf, or the bear, or whatever’s coming at them. The good shepherd is the first one to go face the danger.

And by the way, that’s the way it was in the American Revolution. Remember how we talked before of how many preachers in the Revolution actually carried guns in the pulpit with them so that they would not have something like that happen? As a matter of fact, just yesterday, Tim and I had recorded a special that ran on national TV where that we met with folks who own several of the original Pilgrim items.  We showed those items on TV.  Really cool stuff.

You find out that the Pilgrims were required to bring their guns to church.  If they did not they were fined twelve shillings for not having their gun at church. That’s the pilgrim in 1620.

By the time you get all the way to the last colony, Georgia colony in 1732, they got the same requirements.  You’ve got to bring your guns to church. And by the way, if you didn’t have a gun, the government would loan you money to get a gun.  Then you had to repay the government.

They would loan you the money to get a gun.  We had this concept that the flock is not going to be attacked by wolves.  We’re going to defend it from the wolf, or the bear, or the lion, or tiger, or whatever it is.  shepherds were the ones on the front line doing that. So it’s quite different from the way we think about defense, the self-defense of Christians today.

Rick:

That’s good reason to look back on both that history and that Biblical perspective. Got to take a quick break.  We’ll be right back. More good news today if you stay with us here on WallBuilders Live.

Constitution Alive

Have you ever wanted to learn more about the United States Constitution but just felt like, man, the classes are boring or it’s just that old language from 200 years ago or I don’t know where to start? People want to know. But it gets frustrating because you don’t know where to look for truth about the Constitution either.

Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. It’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders’ library where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

We call it the QuickStart guide to the Constitution because in just a few hours through these videos you will learn the Citizen’s Guide to America’s Constitution.  You’ll learn what you need to do to help save our Constitutional Republic. It’s fun! It’s entertaining! And it’s going to inspire you to do your part to preserve freedom for future generations. It’s called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. You can find out more information on our website now at WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live on this Good News Friday. Thanks for staying with us. David Barton’s turn with some good news. David–

Trump’s Judge Appointments

David:

I’m going to go back to the federal level for a bit. We have seen President Trump has now nominated up in the 80s of federal judges to be confirmed. And the problem has been getting their hearings done in the Senate and then getting them voted on. I think we’re less than 20 of the 80 he’s nominated.  And there are about 160 vacancies. But I continue to be so thrilled with how good the judges are that he’s nominating.

The five that he recently added to a Supreme Court list as potential nominees for Supreme Court, all really, really, strong from a constitutional, and quite frankly, from a moral and religious perspective.  They’re really good folks. And so you maybe–

Rick:

And that’s not just one or two.   That’s a high percentage.  I mean, it’s — what do we always say on this show back then, “Hey, if we can get 50/50 that’d be great.”  But man, it’s way better than that.  More like the 90’s.

David:

Yeah, we’re getting 90 or 95 probably. As a matter of fact, I can’t think of a bad nominee. But I have not seen every single name.  I haven’t seen any name that was not a good nominee.

And so as you look at how high the percentage is of these nominees coming through you may recall that over the last six-eight weeks during the hearings that some, particularly the devoutly pious Catholics, were being attacked. You can’t be a pious Catholic and serve as a federal judge.   If you’re a Catholic that means your church teaches that abortion is wrong and you would believe that.  You can’t be a federal judge if you believe that abortion is wrong.

Which is amazing to me that on their side it’s okay to believe that abortion is right. And that’s a litmus test. But if we do something that reflects the values we have and we win an election they say “You can’t do that.”

So it’s kind of crazy the way it is, but one of the ones they really went after was a lady that was going for the Seventh Federal Circuit Court of Appeals. Her name was Amy Barrett and so just in the past week or so she has been confirmed by the U.S. Senate and is now taking a place on the 7th Circuit Court of Appeal.  That’s good to have her there.   She is a great lady.  Again, great positions, great constitutional understanding.

Fresno State University

She was at Notre Dame and along with talking about what’s happening at that level and in the courts.  Let me throw out one other thing that’s happened in the courts and it involves something that happened at Fresno State University. Fresno State University, like a bunch of universities, are so goofy on free speech. They give you a free speech zone.  You can’t have free speech unless it’s pre-approved.  So you cannot do on a campus what you can do anywhere in the nation off a campus. Off a campus, I can stand on a sidewalk and give my viewpoints, whatever, but I can’t do that on campus.

And so many campuses have a little 12-foot square box they put at the back of campus somewhere. They say that is the free speech zone.  You can stand in there and give out free speech.

Remember we had a program just a couple of weeks ago about kids who were arrested at a university for giving out Constitutions in the university because they weren’t in the free speech zone and they didn’t have a permit to have free speech. So what happened was the pro-life group at Fresno State went and got permission to be able to write pro-life messages on the sidewalk with chalk because it washes off.  It erases.  Rain comes through, it’s all gone. And they did that with university permission.  One of the profs there found out that they were writing pro-life messages in the sidewalk.  He took his class and took the class and they wiped out all the messages – erased everything.

He says, “You don’t have a right to free speech when I’m around.”  So he shut it down with his class. And so our guys, Alliance Defending Freedom, filed suit.  Guess what, that prof is now having to pay $17,000 for violating the student’s right to free speech.  He’s having to undergo First Amendment free speech training. So–

Rick:

That’s poetic justice right there.

David:

It is, man, that is poetic justice. His version of the First Amendment does not exist except in his mind between his ears. The First Amendment is part of the Constitution.  There is a reality that he denies.

So now he’s having to learn that his reality is not the actual constitutional reality. But good deal that again, Alliance Defending Freedom, good for them for fighting for the good for the kids of Fresno State.  for standing up for this and good for the courts for upholding the Constitution.

Rick:

Another quick break.  We’ll be right back with more good news. Stay with us on WallBuilders Live.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip

Tim:

Hi, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders and I want to encourage all the pastors out there with a unique opportunity that we’re presenting it WallBuilders. We’re doing a special tour just for pastors that you can come and learn more about the spiritual heritage of our nation. Not just seeing the sights but understanding the significance of what they are and what they represent.

We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at www.WallBuilders.com. And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor’s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live.  Our final segment of good news today. And Tim Barton’s up next.  Tim–

Physician-Assisted Suicide

Tim:

Guys, the first one comes from South Dakota.  this is related to something that they were trying to get on the ballot. Now assisted suicide is something that many states, some various cities even try to legalize and we’ve seen it. And I say cities, but really it’s the District of Columbia, so not really a city, in I guess, a governmental sense.  But it’s, it is a city recognized Washington, D.C., but District of Columbia.

Anyway, so several places have legalized physician-assisted suicide. And it sometimes seems like we are swinging a direction and we don’t have the strength to stop the momentum. But this is the good news coming from South Dakota where they definitely stopped momentum.

So physician-assisted suicide was something that they had tried to get done legislatively. People couldn’t get it done they said, “You know what, that’s fine.  We’re going to take it to the people.  And we’re going to try to make this a ballot initiative.  We’re going to get the voters to come out and support this.”

So they made this big drive in South Dakota trying to get enough people to come out and support it.  In order to do a ballot initiative, you have to garner enough signatures to qualify for the ballot.

And in South Dakota they weren’t anywhere close to getting the signatures they needed to get physician-assisted suicide on the ballot which means the people of South Dakota really didn’t want it on the ballot. Now that’s probably not a news flash for most people that they don’t want physician-assisted suicide to be the reality of their state, of their community.  But in South Dakota, you had people that were at least intuitive enough to go, “Wait a second, this isn’t a good deal.  We don’t want to vote to legalize to have people murdered.”

And whatever the situation is whether it be cancer, old age, is when you see a lot of people trying to go to this physician-assisted suicide. But the good news is in South Dakota that people said, “No we don’t support that.  We’re not putting it on the ballot.” And so they couldn’t even get it on the ballot to vote on come election time.  So that’s good news for me coming from South Dakota.

Worship Attendance And Religious Giving

I have one more real quick I think I can squeeze in. This one is a link between worship attendance and religious giving. Now, this is a study that actually is trying to identify that we know who the most generous people are when it comes to giving to some of these religious organizations, religious charities, including churches. And what they discovered is, well, it’s actually the people that are attending a religious service. In fact, the more often, the more frequent, you attend church, or you attend a religious service, you attend these organization functions, the more likely you are to give your money to a religious institution to one of these 501c3 charities.

Whether it’s something like Franklin Graham’s organization where they’re doing Christmas boxes for kids, whether it’s your church, what they found was that generally the more religious someone was the more likely they…  And religious being defined as how often they attended religious service.  The more likely they were to give. And so this is it, The title is A Strong Link Between Worship Attendance and Religious Giving.

But it’s probably no surprise for us that we can look and go, “No, that makes total sense.” If you are committed to going to church you’re probably committed to helping religious operations continue whether it’s helping the poor and the needy, whether it’s helping missionaries overseas.  But they identify that people that attend church, that go regularly, are definitely the ones who are the biggest givers. Which I guess is good news if you are a faithful church attender that you are a giver.  So nonetheless on wrapping up this Good News Friday, attend church and become a giver.

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Rick:

Yeah, I was going to say even if you’re not the giver, but you’ve been attending, now you can start being a giver because you identify with the rest of that group Tim’s talking about there. A lot of good news today folks from across the country.  There’s a whole lot more if you visit our website today at WallBuildersLive.com.  You can go to any of those Friday programs and get a full program of good news. We sure appreciate you listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.