Happy Thanksgiving – May The Truth Of Our History And Vote Counts Prevail: It’s Thanksgiving 2020. Will fake news, fake authority and fake history succeed in shaping our culture? It must not! Tune in today to hear the more truth regarding our election, our laws, and our American history!

Air Date: 11/26/2020

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


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My name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach. And I’m here with America’s premier historian David Barton, founder of WallBuilders and Tim Barton is, with us, national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders. Thanks so much for joining us today here on WallBuilders Live.

Alright, guys, so Thanksgiving Day today, this is the time to get together with your family, enjoy that family time, but also a great time to listen to WallBuilders Live and get caught up on some of the news that’s happened the next few days. So David, Tim, I want to hear more about the history of the Pilgrims and Thanksgiving. Let’s first catch everybody up real quick on what has happened just in the last 24 hours since our last show.


Yeah, a few things that pop in the last 24 hours, new stuff in Wisconsin now. We talked earlier in the week about how the Trump legal team has kind of run out two tracks, those that hope to get to the court faster and those that may take a little more time. And on the faster side is look, you have to follow state law, you can’t change the law unless you’re the legislature. And so if you’re the Secretary of State or the governor, whatever, you can’t just change the election law on the eve of election or in the lecture or during election, after the election.


And so in Wisconsin, this is one of the things that they have they’re pointing out right now. Is that in Wisconsin, you get a notice from the state that we need to know, it appears that you’ve moved. Are you still here? Are you moved to a different place?

And if they don’t reaffirm that here’s who we are and here’s where we moved, and here’s where we’re live, then the State is required by law to deactivate those voters. And so what happened this year, Wisconsin did not deactivate those voters, and so there were 200,000 voters, according to Wisconsin law should not have been allowed to vote, because we can’t find out where they are, we don’t know exactly where they are.

And so they let them vote anyway, and as a result, you have a number of areas, particularly in Milwaukee, where they voted more than 100% of the population of that precinct in that area. So that’s a real problem when you have more votes than you have voters in the area.

So this is the basis of part of the new suit that’s coming out in Wisconsin is you weren’t following state law. You change State law, you set it aside, you decided to let 200,000 people vote the State law says cannot vote. And so that’s something that is, again, as we noted, this is one of the things they’re pointing out as a path to Supreme Court.


And very important, David, to point out that doesn’t even require necessarily fraud, right? That just says they broke the law very publicly with the things that they did to change the system. And so the Supreme Court could end up throwing out those results just based on that without fraud being proven.


That’s right. That’s exactly right. Now, if you jump to Nevada, a Judge there has agreed to hear a fraud case. They’ve brought a fraud case in Nevada. We talked earlier about there’s up to 15,000 people who apparently could have voted in two States, Nevada and some other State. There’s a number of people who are dead and voted. 


And so there was a lot there. And so it looks like that they’re going to start this this case next month in December, and it looks like they’ve got about 15 witnesses talking about fraud, so all these witnesses, whistleblower testimony about what these guys witness to the way of fraud. So this is a fraud area.

This is a state that Biden apparently won about 23,000 votes. But if you don’t count the fraudulent votes, he may not have won at all. So that’s a case in Nevada, that’s moving forward on the fraud area. And so if you don’t count what they’re alleging to be fraudulent votes, then he may not have won. And that’s why you’ve got to go to court and figure out if all the votes are illegal and if they were counted. So that is in Nevada, that one is moving forward.

If we jump to Georgia, Linwood, we’ve talked about Georgia, he filed the lawsuit. He released yesterday a piece of video showing a shredding service going to one of the election county places and taking a bunch of documents down and going to shredding those documents. And the belief was that those were ballots are being shredded, which is not supposed to happen by state law. And of course, it doesn’t look good. So that’s the claim that he put out.

And so today, he came back and said, okay, here’s what happened. What we need is everybody started filming and taking videos of all the voting locations around the State. Don’t let them get rid of that bad evidence that may be there showing fraud. So he’s asking for people to get their cell phones out, and when they say a truck pull up, or some of the postal service or something, take footage of and watch the voting places to see if anything’s going on. 

So he’s got a lot of evidence, that he’s brought forth in his case that would allege to show a lot of fraud and he thinks he can easily prove that. But nonetheless, this new stuff that’s coming out with the shredding, and the shredding being in large containers going out of voting areas, which there’s no real reason for it to go out that they can figure out if it’s shredding. And that’s why shredding service is there. So that’s what’s happening in Georgia at this point, is that he’s asking for help to watch for that.

State Legislatures

And the final thing to point out is that three state legislatures have just started and this is Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Michigan, they’ve started holding public hearings on the election. They want to hear from the voters and the citizens. And so a lot of people are coming in and they’re testifying to what they saw. 

But they want to make sure that their State feels like its voice has been heard, and that the legislators are addressing what people are concerned about. And so they are going for transparency, I mean, the legislators, kudos to them, are trying to reach out to people say okay, we hear you. What do you want to tell us? What do we need to think about? 

What do we need to look at doing? And so that started in the last 24 hours in the States. Trump has praised that and a number of Republican officials have stepped up to testify about what they saw that they feel like is not being listened to by the courts. So that’s the update in the last 24 hours.


And guys, a couple of also interesting things that we’re talking about lawsuits being filed and things going on in different places, there are a lot of now private organizations and attorneys, independent attorneys, and actually, as we know now, Sidney Powell is an independent attorney who does not work on the Trump legal team, but she just announced that she’s got a bombshell of a case coming out in Georgia. She says she thinks this will overturn Georgia and help Trump win the presidency. But we’re seeing more and more lawsuits come out from private organizations and some of these States where they’re seeing fraudulent activity happen.

And one thing worthy of note is yesterday, President Trump exonerated General Flynn from some of the bogus stuff that came against him. And so certainly, good news for him that hopefully his life can normalize just a little bit. But this was certainly newsworthy, that General Flynn was exonerated by President Trump.

A Proper Outcome


You know, it add to the hearing thing, I didn’t get to watch all of this. But the Pennsylvania hearing started yesterday, and Giuliani was there to testify. And he laid out a ton of evidence. I mean, a lot of evidence. And the most interesting thing to me, though, was the response of a lot of those senators on that committee that were holding that hearing.

These senators were taking their job seriously and taking seriously the option they have to name the electors themselves. They even discuss that with some of the testimony there saying, what are the solutions? What are the ways we can solve this problem if we can’t have faith in the outcome of this? So, you know, a lot of that’s been dismissed, certainly, by the major media and even conservative media, a lot of conservative media said, yeah, but they’re not going to do it, they’re not going to do it.

But I don’t know, what I heard in those hearings was that they would seriously consider whatever would get them to a proper constitutional outcome on this. So who knows, folks, we still got a couple of weeks here before I think we’ll really know what the outcome is going to be and the court’s going to have some tough decisions to make, based on all this evidence, fraud or not fraud, just the breaking of the law publicly by these officials in some of these States.

Quick break, guys, when we come back, let’s talk a little Thanksgiving. Folks are getting together even now maybe as they’re listening to WallBuilders Live, driving to family members’ houses, hopefully, and getting together to have some fellowship and have that wonderful family time to thank the Lord for what we have in our country. So let’s get some of that history on the Pilgrims and what we’re doing when we celebrate Thanksgiving. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

The American Story

Hey, guys, we want to let you know about our new resource we have here at WallBuilders called The American Story. For years, people have been asking us to do a history book, and we finally done it. We start with Christopher Columbus and go roughly through Abraham Lincoln. And one of the things that so often we hear today are about the imperfections of America, or how so many people in America that used to be celebrated or honored really aren’t good or honorable people.

One of the things we acknowledge quickly in the book is that the entire world is full of people who are sinful and need a savior, because the Bible even tells us that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” And yet what we see through history and certainly is evident in America is how a perfect God uses imperfect people and does great things through them. The story of America is not the story of perfect people. But you see time and time again how God got involved in the process and use these imperfect people to do great things that impacted the entire world from America. To find out more, go to wallbuilders.com and check out The American Story.

A Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. The Reverend James Caldwell was a famous minister during the American war for independence. His sermons taught liberty and God’s opposition to tyranny. The British hated him and tried to kill him. So for his own protection, he would actually take loaded pistols with him into the pulpit and lay them beside his Bible as he preached.

In the 1780 Battle of Springfield, the Americans ran out of wadding for their guns, which was like having no ammunition. Pastor Caldwell ran inside a nearby church and returned with an arm load of Watts’s hymnals, the pages of which would provide the much needed wadding. He took this great Bible based hymnal, raised it in the air and shouted to the troops; “now put watts into them, boys”. This pastor’s ingenuity saved the day for the Americans. For more information on Pastor James Caldwell and other colonial patriots, go to wallbuilders.com.


We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us on this Thanksgiving Day. And guys, let’s get into Thanksgiving. Last couple days, we had spent a little bit of time giving to some of the history on the Pilgrims and how Thanksgiving came about. So as folks are headed over to family members’ houses, it should be a great time for them to share what they learned on WallBuilders Live.


And Rick, as we’re talking about hopefully, people getting together with families, it’s worth noting that, as you mentioned, jokingly, if you’re in one of these States where there’s crazy lockdown orders, maybe you should go and, first of all, go and meet with the family, don’t abstain from getting into other family because there’s some crazy lockdown order that’s unconstitutional. You said maybe you could take a picture and send it to the governor and there were people very bothered by that. And by people, maybe like two people, I don’t know how many. But certainly, somebody was like, hey, that’s not nice.

Governing Unconstitutionally

Okay, here’s the reality is, we’re not asking anybody to do something that they believe is going to endanger their grandparents, or their great grandparents or their parents. We’re not asking you to be foolish. But we’re telling you that constitutionally, governors do not have the power, the right, or authority to say that you’re not allowed to meet with more than 3 people or 8 people or 10 people. They can’t pick an arbitrary number and assign it to you.

And so part of you standing up for liberty and freedom, standing up to the Constitution, and maybe in this moment being a Daniel or a Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego is saying I’m not bowing down to this. And you know what, Daniel stood in front of his window when actually he didn’t stand, he knelt in front of his window, let’s correct that because he was praying, he knelt in front of his windows three times a day so everybody could see him. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego are the only people standing when everybody else is bowing down to this false god. We should not be afraid to be visible with us standing up and doing the right thing with the Constitution.

So if people are thinking that we’re promoting something that’s unsafe or unhealthy, or we have bad intentions, you don’t know us very well and you really misunderstood the thought. The reality is, we should always stand up to tyrants. And in this case, when we know that we are biblically sound and constitutionally correct, there’s no way I’m backing down.


And adding to that, remember that last week, we had Brad Dacus, national attorney for Pacific Justice Institute with offices all across the country from coast to coast, and he said he will defend anybody and everybody that has the normal Thanksgiving that stands up and does what they normally do. If any officials come after them, he is happy to take those cases for free and defend them. This is how confident they are constitutionally that this is the right thing to do.

Pacific Justice Institute

You don’t do what an official says just because an official says to do it. You do what an official says if it is a lawful order and if it does not cause you to violate a constitutional right or an inalienable God-given right. Outside of that, if it’s not something God specifically told you to do.

And, if something that that the government is not empowered to do, don’t follow those things to violate that. So Brad Dacus, Pacific Justice Institute is happy to take on any cases of anybody and their families if they get together and have trouble with governors or officials or mayors or anybody else.


Well, and thank the good Lord, for folks like Brad Dacus to defend us out there when we do have to have a little bit of civil disobedience if that’s necessary to get some of these unconstitutional things overturned. So you can get that interview with Brad Dacus in our archives at wallbuilderslive.com. Alright guys, we’ve got a little bit of our program left today to talk about Thanksgiving itself, which we’ve already kind of covered on the last couple of days.


We haven’t stinging civil disobedience this is part of the story of the Pilgrims. It’s the reason that they were looking for Holland, the reason they wanted to come to America because they didn’t want to abide under the arbitrary regulations of Anglican leaders or the king changing doctrine and theology and they’re going no, no, we’ve had enough of this, we’re not taking anymore. That’s part of the legacy of the Pilgrims.

Why The Pilgrims Came

We talked about the fact that when people make accusations that the Pilgrims weren’t religious, you only can make that accusation if you don’t know the story of the Pilgrims, or the notion that they didn’t come to America for religious freedom. That was the number one reason they came to America. And actually, if you go back and read the Mayflower Compact, it starts off in that kind of the first paragraph saying that “They came to America for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith.” And so certainly, they religious people; we talked about the fact that they had very good relations with the natives. And that was the reason that Squanto lived with them and helped them learn to survive.

And just things that are very contrary to some of the articles and blog posts and professors that are saying things today, like we shouldn’t celebrate Thanksgiving. The only reason people have that perspective and opinion, well, maybe because they dislike America, and they’re pro- socialism, they want to fundamentally transform America. But largely because we don’t know the history of the Pilgrims, and the history of the Pilgrims as a as a people, not perfect, but certainly people who were seeking to follow God to live according to biblical principles, and strove their best to live at peace with everybody around them, including and even especially a time with the natives.


Alright, guys, let’s take a quick break, we’ll come back in our final segment and dive into the Pilgrims and Thanksgiving. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Faith Hall of Fame

Hi, friends, this is Tim Barton of WallBuilders. This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. And I know oftentimes for parents, we’re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

And if you remember back to the Bible, to the book of Hebrews, it has the faith Hall of Fame where they outline the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans, we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes, not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.

I want to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called The Courageous Leaders collection. And this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers. And there’s a second collection called Heroes of History. In this collection, you’ll read about people like Benjamin Franklin or Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman. Friends, the list goes on and on.

This is a great collection for your young person to have and read and it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at www.wallbuilders.com. That’s www.wallbuilders.com.


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. It is Thanksgiving Day. Hopefully, you’re having a great time with your family today. And David, Tim, it is Thanksgiving Day, so how do we get from the Pilgrims to Thanksgiving, like, what brought about that very first Thanksgiving?



So certainly looking at the relation that they had with Squanto and he is the native who helps them really learn how to be able to survive in the new world. And so, because of his help, showing them how to hunt, how to fish, how to grow crops, they’re able, after half of them died, approximately that first winter, they’re now able to grow crops and they now are able to build homes.

And so, they have home and fuel for fires and food to eat. And even though they’re not living in extravagant to this point, they’re going to make it. And so they think we need to have some time and thank God for what’s going on.

And in the midst of them taking time to thank God, they also at this point have already met Chief Massasoit. They met Chief Massasoit much earlier when Squanto was introduced to them. Squanto was one of the natives that came with Chief Massasoit when they first met.

But chief Massasoit comes back with 90 Indian Braves, Wampanoag Braves, who come to that first Thanksgiving. And this again, we mentioned looking at the Pilgrims relationship with the natives that, you know, it can’t be with some of the accusations are today, because the fact of that Squanto live with them, was teaching them how to survive and Squanto didn’t like them. He’s not living with them, showing them how to live and how to survive in this new world.

But on top of the fact, when you get down to reality, there’s just barely over 50 Pilgrims who are still there at this first Thanksgiving. And by the way, that number comes from the Plymouth Historic Society that actually gives the names of all the people they say were there that first Thanksgiving. Those people who were there included just over 20 men and by men, we’re talking about probably older teenage boys all the way up.

Chief Massasoit

And so when you have, at this point, relatively just over 20 men and Chief Massasoit shows up with 90 Indian male Braves. If Chief Massasoit thought you were bad people and we’re doing things to steal or cheat or to dishonor them, that first Thanksgiving would not have been the Thanksgiving that it was, because Chief Massasoit easily could have wiped the Pilgrims out in a matter of minutes or moments. And that’s not what happened.

Chief Massasoit showed up, his men actually helped bring a lot of food, because as was mentioned that, at this point, the Pilgrims weren’t living necessarily with abundance. They were just so grateful they were surviving and they were going to make it. But Chief Massasoit and his 90 brave show up.

And in the midst of this celebration, they do athletic events, they have races and wrestling competitions and they’ve shooting competitions and they feast for three days, they are fellowshipping and hanging out together. Which is also worth noting that if at any point, the natives were like, we don’t like you guys, you’re terrible, they could have gone up and left. For them to stay for three days, they must have been enjoying the process.

And this is one of the interesting things, looking at the legacy of America is so much of the foundation and even the traditions we practice in America today have their roots back to the Pilgrims. And you look at things with the 1619 project, it was forced to Jamestown and the beginning of slavery in America, which by the way, is not actually historically accurate. On the WallBuilders website, we have several articles covering the 1619 project and where they historically missed so many things.

But with that being said, we kind of forget that historically, America really is like a tale of two cities. And there’s different legacies from Jamestown and Plymouth, but the majority of America was influenced and had its foundations built by what the Pilgrims and then the Puritan, and the early settlers did up in the Plymouth in New England colonies. And that’s really what so much of the foundation of America was.

The First Thanksgiving

But that’s part of the legacy of this first Thanksgiving. You know, for the Pilgrims, they were not living in abundance at this time. And I think it’s significant, even as Christians, when we think about Thanksgiving, that we’ve been called to be thankful to God if it’s been a great year, or it hasn’t really been a great year.

For some people because of COVID and job situations and family and loss and hurt and pain, it maybe hasn’t been the best year. But the Pilgrims, even in these really, really tough time still remembered to give thanks, and that’s part of the legacy of this first Thanksgiving.


And following that first Thanksgiving, which really kind of the first, if you will, breath of relief they’ve had, they are going to make it that they’re going to make it through the winter. They’re not down to the starving kind of stuff that they had in the first winter. And then suddenly, more people start showing up and a lot more people.

There were three different groups that showed up, one had some 60 folks with him. And so all this provision they thought they had for themselves, now they’re sharing with others, and they welcome those others in and those others live them and ate food, and they hadn’t done anything to produce anything at that point, but you know, it’s wintertime. So they, now are down the skimpy provisions again, because they have to cut everything way down to handle all the new people that have come.

So, as they get into the next year and Squanto has really taught them how to live in that world, how to live with it rather than against it, you have to conform to what our planting practices are here and the type of things that you could eat and the type of things you can hunt and fish. He’s taught them well. And so, as they start planting the crops that will grow there in Massachusetts, and things look really optimistic and hopeful, they get into a drought.

A Miracle

And, there’s no rain falling. And you know, with no irrigation, how do you get your crops to grow? And how are we going to have food for the next year if we don’t have crops? And so they call for a day of prayer and fasting, and it’s a serious time of prayer and fasting.

And it’s interesting that in doing that, when they met together and prayed and fasted, this is new to the natives, they have not seen this, and they kind of watch this and wow, what are these guys doing? And there’s some religious ritual they’re doing here. They’re praying and fasting and not eating, and they’re crying after their God. And so as that happens, it’s interesting that one of the Indians reports that while they were yet praying, a gentle rain started to fall.

Now, we’re talking the March kind of timeframe here, a gentle rain started to fall, it fell, and it soaked the ground and soaked the seeds, and that it was out of character for that period, that Indians said if we get rain this time of the year, it’s always storms that tear everything up and you get floods, you get damaged or whatever. But the crops are now blossoming a little bit and this rain came and it didn’t damage it and nurtured it.

And so as a result of what he saw, the answered prayer, he went to the Pilgrims said I want to know the white man’s God. I mean, this is amazing what I’ve just seen. So the Pilgrims were living out their faith. And it’s interesting that from that point on, they recognize that, you know, we need to do a little preemptive work here in the sense that we know we need crops every year. What we’re going to do is every spring, we’re going to have a time of prayer and fasting. We’re going to ask God to send the rains in season, because we will need this every year.

And so in that New England area, they started every spring, they would have a day of prayer and fasting and every fall, they would have the time of Thanksgiving. And it’s interesting, people in New England may not know that, but to this day, they still have that day of prayer and fasting officially recognized as a State holiday in Massachusetts. Now, it’s called Patriot Day today and they don’t mention anything about prayer and fasting, but it’s still on the calendar.

Happy Thanksgiving – May The Truth Of Our History And Vote Counts Prevail

So, the Pilgrims really did set forth a great picture of people who were pious, who followed God, who look to God for help, who appreciated his help, even if they came to Squanto. And the Wampanoags and through Chief Massasoit, wherever God sent help, they recognize it, and appreciate it. But it is a good tradition we have, not only Thanksgiving, but also remembering to talk to God before it’s time to have Thanksgiving. Talk to God when there’s needs going on, and that’s what the Pilgrims did.


Well, we wish all of our listeners a very Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy that time with your family. Enjoy this time to just be thankful for all that we have, despite the chaos in our country and some of those things that you’re rightfully concerned about. This is a great time to just pause and say, man, we’ve had it so good, so much better than the rest of the world throughout all of history. This has been a wonderful, wonderful blessing. And we can keep this blessing if we stay engaged, if we work the system, if we actually use the Constitution to save the Constitution. So be thankful for it and start setting your heart to do whatever God calls you to do in your community, to be the catalyst for a restoration of biblical principles and constitutional principles.

God bless, you have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Thanks for listening today to WallBuilders Live.