The Personal Story Of Hope For The Heart – With Founder June Hunt Part 1 – June Hunt joins us today to share her personal story and the start of Hope For The Heart, an incredible biblical ministry. Sharing biblical hope and practical help, this ministry covers so many areas of people’s lives. Tune in for part 1!

Air Date: 08/23/2021

Guest: June Hunt

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live. We’re talking about all the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. You can learn more at our website,,

Now, if you’re a first time listener, or are new to the program, and we haven’t explained what WallBuilders means, just a quick reminder, comes out of that Old Testament book of Nehemiah where it says, arise and rebuild the walls that we may no longer be of reproach. Now, that is not necessarily the southern border wall of the United States. I guess you could fit that into there somewhere, but it’s really more about the principles and rebuilding the foundations of the nation.

And if you think about those Old Testament countries, if you didn’t have those outer walls, you were run over, I mean, you were susceptible to completely being destroyed, and they had to rebuild the wall. And when they rebuilt the wall, it was every citizen, everyone played a part. And you built the wall by your house. You built close to your home, and it didn’t matter if you’d had an experience building walls, it didn’t matter what your profession was, everyone played a part. And so that’s the model of WallBuilders.

We are looking at the culture right now and saying, look, man, there’s cracks in the foundations, there are all kinds of problems in the American culture, there’s a lot of rot in the culture, and it’s time for us to rebuild. We’ve got to rebuild the foundations. We’ve got to restore what our Founding Fathers put in place, a biblical foundation for a nation. And that’s why we always say we’re looking at the issues of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. We learn from all three. And then we get out there and take action.

My name is Rick Green. I’m a former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach. And I am normally here with David Barton. He’s America’s premier historian and he’s the founder of WallBuilders. And Tim Barton is usually with us. He’s a national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders.

But today and tomorrow, got a special program for you with none other than June Hunt. Now I’ve been looking forward to this interview for a long time and been trying to get it make it happen for the last couple of months. She’s just got an amazing story, historic Texas family. But she has an amazing ministry, and just an amazing life story. And I’m telling you, this is going to be fun, you’re going to enjoy today and tomorrow. You’re going to learn a lot, it’s going to touch you. It’s going to make you want to help people, I’m telling you. It’s just going to be great, anyway, really excited about having June Hunt with us.

We’re going to take a quick break before we go to break though, I do want to encourage you to visit that website and consider making a donation. We’re a listener-supported program. Look, that’s how we do what we do. We reach millions of people every year, teaching truth, speaking truth, helping people to understand the foundations of America and then act on that. We train pastors, young people, legislators, you name it, we’re out there impacting the culture, and it’s because of your help.

So we would appreciate it if you’d consider going to today, making a one-time or monthly contribution. We are a nonprofit, so it’s tax deductible. And we appreciate your help. What a treat today, we have June Hunt weather. She’s the founder of Hope for the Heart. 35 years now, this is the 35th anniversary this year she received the National Religious Broadcasters Hall of Fame award, just incredible work. And if you’ve listened late at night, she is the host and the founder of “Hope in the Night”, as well as. This is a real treat, Miss Hunt. Thank you so much for joining us today.


Oh, I’m honored. Thank you, Rick.


I love the fact that the theme there is so much about applying God’s Word to the specific issues of the day. We seem to for too long separated that. And we have this kind of spiritual life over on one side and then we got family and work and politics and all that and we don’t apply the Bible in those areas. You guys have that theme of applying God’s word. I love the living books that you all are doing.

Anyway, God bless you for what you’re doing. I love the fact you were honored this year. And we just wanted our listeners to know more about what “Hope for the Heart’s doing.


Well, we do present biblical hope and practical help. That’s our forte. And I grew up without knowing about the Bible. I mean, I was in a mainline church, no Bible. I was in a Sunday school class for a number of years, no Bible, I knew nothing, and I was stunned when finally I was around authentic Christians. And I had something I didn’t know what they had. Well, I thought, oh my goodness, they have all this information. Well, they did. But they had transformation. They were transformed by Christ living in them. But I had no knowledge of that language.

So I know what it’s like to learn the value of being without any understanding, and then to come into the understanding of the power of God’s Word. And what I love about WallBuilders is you’ve got the combination to help people understand we are not just happenstance singly going along live. I mean, there is a God who is our Creator God. But there’s a statement in a brand new book, I just have had a copy given to me, and it’s the golden thread in American history, is a superintending providence of Almighty God. So what I think about when I knew nothing, there are people who don’t know that. They have no knowledge, Rick.

And so our ministry presents God’s truth for today’s problems. And basically, we have 100 topics and basically, there was a point at which I was a youth director then a college and career director and then a conference speaker. Well, then what happen is you have all these people lined up, and they’re not asking you about what you use a spoke on, they are asking you about their biggest problem. And I could not find books. I could not find on childhood sexual abuse. How could that possibly be when one of the three girls, one out of five boys up to the age of 18 are victims of childhood sexual abuse?

So you just do a super suave, just okay, where do we need to understand the biblical truth because it is the word of God. And see, I know what’s not what it’s like to not even know that phrase, the Word of God. I knew that there was a Bible I didn’t had never read it. But it’s the Word of God, if God wants to communicate with us.

So in our material, like how you do, like, we have a topic, the Bible is it reliable? Now, we have material in 36 languages in about 60 some odd countries. But the bottom line is, if you don’t understand the Bible, but look at our first president, “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without the Bible.” That’s George Washington. And then you go down even someone not known for his faith, Thomas Jefferson, “The Bible makes the best people in the world.”

And so we have all these quotes from literal leaders, US presidents, as well as moral leaders and generals and lawyers. And that gives credence, and that’s what you do. I just have to say thank you for the marvelous, if you are an exceptional ministry, you help all of us to understand what we need to learn much better.


Well, thank you. And it’s for such a time as this. I mean, I think that new book by David and Tim Barton, “The American Story” at a time when the American story is so under attack is just critical. And again, it’s applying God’s word. It’s saying, hey, God’s word speaks to how we should treat each other as neighbors, as a society, as states, and as a nation. His Word is applicable to everything. And that’s what you guys have been doing.

I was blown away at the breadth of the topics on these little booklets that you all put together for exactly what you’re talking about. You know, you come off the stage, and you go to the book table, and they’re asking about all these things. And now you’ve got I mean, everything from abuse, recovery, divorce, domestic violence, marriage, parenting, prejudice, I mean, you guys have put together an incredibly broad topic base here to give people application of the Bible. So they’re not just carrying around a Bible and then not diving into it, and they’re not diving into it and then not applying it. You’re giving them that application. That is critical right now.


Well, 30 years ago, I did a course call “Counseling with the Bible”. And we just let people know, we’re doing it. I don’t know where these people came from. There were not only just ordinary people. They’re pastors, they’re people in ministry, people all kinds, and I just took one topic a week for three years, and it was definitions, characteristics, causes and solutions, but really filled with what does God say.

But we are known for the practical application. We’ve got the principles, the biblical principles. But we need to know specifically what do you do if you have anger out of control? What do you do when somebody around you has anger out of control so that it’s verbal and emotional abuse? So we all need help with, number one, ourselves to make sure that we understand what’s going on and how to think biblically about ourselves. And then we need to help others. So this is a prime place for us to know that we are being relevant to our culture. We must be relevant. In fact, I’ll just say this, that’s the complaint that you’re here periodically about Christianity.

Christianity is irrelevant. It’s just people talking in some spiritual code language, Christianese, but that other people don’t understand. No. Well, there may be. Yeah, there are some pockets like that. But we must not be that. The Bible does relate to that you can’t find a topic that there aren’t biblical principles that are applicable. And it’s a privilege to be able to present those. And we have examples of real life people, with maybe they are alive today, or their biblical stories whether it’s of Joseph who you talk about forgiveness, and a person who would have reason not to forgive brothers who did him wrong.

But the point is, we get biblical truth and principles along the way. And I’m the one who, I’m just so grateful I got to be saved. I’m just so grateful that I got exposed to authentic Christianity because it was life changing for me.


Well, you mentioned Joseph, I always used him with my kids too. You know, no matter how bad you think it is, today, are you literally in slavery? Have you been sold? I mean, all you go through all of Joseph’s things, and it gives you such perspective, and you all even have things on attitude, and all of that.

But I just think this is what, I mean, it’s the reason young people walk away from the faith in such high numbers because of the lack of application just like you’re talking about, instead of it just being an esoteric conversation to actually say, this is how you deal with that emotion you’re feeling or this is how you deal with that conflict in your life. It just seems like we failed so much on that in the church for so long. And now these kids are looking to other sources and other things to solve the real problems of life. And that’s why we got to bring it back to actual application of God’s word like you’re doing.

June Hunt is our special guest. Stay with us, folks, we’re just going to take a quick break. We’ll be right back on WallBuilders Live.


Hey, guys, we want to let you know about a new resource we have at WallBuilders called The American Story. For so many years, people have asked us to do a history book to help tell more of the story that’s just not known or not told today.

And we would say very providentially in the midst of all of the new attacks coming out against America, whether it be from things like the 1619 project that say America is evil, and everything in America was built off slavery, which is certainly not true or things, like even the Black Lives Matter movement, the organization itself, not out the statement Black Lives Matter, but the organization that says we’re against everything that America was built on, and this is part of the Marxist ideology. There’s so many things attacking America.

Well, is America worth defending? What is the true story of America? We actually have written and told that story starting with Christopher Columbus, going roughly through Abraham Lincoln, we tell the story of America not as the story of a perfect nation of a perfect people. But the story of how God used these imperfect people and did great things through this nation. It’s a story you want to check out, The American Story.


We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. We got June Hunt with us today and tomorrow. So excited about this, and so thankful. June, we were talking before the break, about the fact that you have to have application of biblical principles to deal with the emotions of life, the challenges of life, the really tough times in life. And that’s what you’re helping people do with “Hope for the Heart”.


Well, I’m one who had bitterness. My dad had three families going on at the same time. It was very painful. I grew up actually with a fictitious last name, wasn’t June. My real name was June Hunt, my birth certificate. But I grew up with this name because we were a family off on the side and that’s very awkward. And so to not and I didn’t talk much because I couldn’t be vulnerable, I couldn’t be real. And friends expect you to be real.

And so I know what it’s like to not know what to do with life. And I had bitterness. I had unforgiveness. In fact, Rick, I was one of those who thought, well, now I’m exposed to the Bible, and I see a scripture, bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgives you. Well, I’ve read that and I thought, well, God knows my situation is the exception. That can’t be right also, because then you’re just letting somebody get away with it. I mean, that doesn’t sound like it’s right.

So I didn’t have biblical understanding. I didn’t know the word forgiveness, release, dismiss and what it is. I thought well, you’re just again letting somebody off the hook if you forgive. No, you’re releasing them from your emotional hook. And with their hook to you, do you really want an enemy hooked to you every single day weighing you down 100 pounds, or however…


You’ve given them control, right? You’ve given them control over your daily life at that point.


So instead, you’re not letting him off the hook. You’re taking him off of your hook, putting that person who wronged you, you putting that person on to God’s hook, because he says, vengeance is mine, I’ll repay. In other words, he’ll deal with that person. But we don’t need to be emotionally in bondage to that person who is wounded us.

Well, it is a privilege to be able to share, and I do that personally when I speak. I try to explain I understand. I understand why you can have hatred because I did hate my father and I was a math person. God hates sin. I have a formula. God hates sin. Dad is sinning. God hates dad. I hate dad. Sounds perfectly logical to me.

But then I now I’m a Christian, and I’m reading oh, dear, it says if you say you’re walking in the light, and yet you still have hatred, you’re still walking in the darkness and the darkness has blinded you and you don’t know where you’re going. I thought, well, okay, so you’re not supposed to have hatred. And I knew I had hatred. But I thought, but God understands my situation. You know, I am not the exception to the rule. I needed a changed heart. I need to changed life. I needed the Word of God. And it…


Well, how did you get from reading it and saying I must be the exception to finally accepting that you weren’t the exception? I mean, was that something that someone else kind of helped you to understand the scripture or did it just finally sink in? What was the game changer there?


There was a man, I was a youth director and there’s an extraordinary teacher. He was a dentist, but he was incredibly wise. And so we were talking and about this issue, and he understood my dad and the women, the betrayal of all kinds of things. And so about forgiveness, I said, well, I really can’t do that. And he said, well, how wrong do you think he is? I said, well, he’s 98% wrong. I guess I’m 2%. And he said, well, aren’t you responsible for your 2%? Oh, I’d never thought of that. And so I thought yes, yes. And there was something else that happened.

And well, by 2%. Okay, so I think, okay, what do I need to do? I need to ask forgiveness for my 2%. Okay. So I thought, alright, I’ve never thank my dad for food on the table, for a roof over my head and books through school. So I went to him and I said, dad, I am deeply sorry, I’ve been an ungrateful daughter. You see as a youth director, this is what I taught to parents. The thing that’s so painful to parents is to have an ungrateful child, an ungrateful son or daughter. They have no idea of the sacrifices that parents have to go through to raise the children, etc. So anyway, so I thought I had been ungrateful.

And so I said, I realize I’ve been ungrateful. I’ve never thanked you for a roof over my head, for books for school, for food on the table. And I’m come to ask, would you be willing to forgive me? And he just looked at me and he kept looking. And then he used a phrase he’s never used it. He said, the pleasure was all mine. He was reading a newspaper and went right back to the paper. No discussion, no, nothing. I thought, okay, this is kind of unusual language. And at that, well, at least, I’m responsible to do what I need to do somehow.

But the kicker was a really think that started me this way. It’s a good question you’ve asked. I heard my dad just tear mom down, just say some bad things just painful. And I saw her being kind to him. And as soon as he left her presence, I said, how can you be so nice to him? With clenched teeth, by the way, how can you be so nice to him? And mother said, oh, honey, he doesn’t know the Lord. If he only knew the Lord, he wouldn’t be that way. That was a total paradigm shift.

See, I was focusing on his fault, she focused on his need. And I saw her consistently do that, he needed a change life through Christ. And that’s what I saw her do even with friends. Very often when a husband is unfaithful, the one who is the victim, if you will, the spouse who is the innocent spouse, they can be bad mouthing and turning people against that other person, the adulterer. Well, in this case, mother just asked for prayer and wanted.

And so, there were all these men, as well as women that were friends of moms that were praying for my dad, and he was drawn by the kindness of these Christian men and women of a group that would gather together every other month, probably. And he was fascinated.

You know, my dad hadn’t been in church for 40 years, except for weddings and funerals. And then all of a sudden, he started coming, and then he forbid all of us going to church for a period of time. So it was a very rocky road. And he was a super patriot, by the way. He loved…


But he’s pushing back against that spiritual draw and telling you all you couldn’t go?


Yeah, it was fascinating to see different things that God used. He was very patriotic, because he was double my mom’s age and he had seen the takeover of one country after another country for another country. And he had a program called Lifeline, a radio program presenting Americanism at all, but was not a believer himself. He viewed himself as a self-made man, and he was. And he was the president of a company. And so he saw no need, but he was drawn by, he saw people who had authentic Christianity, and was drawn to them.

I saw him change from the people that he typically would be with to actually mother’s friends, and by couples. And so I say, don’t give up. If there’s somebody you think, oh, he’ll never change, because I said that, he’ll never change. I was wrong. The last year of his life, I flew in from Florida speaking and it was at night, and I had tried before and it was unsuccessful. But I thought, well, let me just try, it was his birthday. And so, I presented what was authentic Christianity, how to come into a relationship, a true relationship with Christ. And I said, would you like to do that? And he did. But I wasn’t sure. I said, mama, let me tell you what happened. I just don’t know if this is real.

And she said, June, well, she said, Billy Graham is tried. There are many people who’ve tried and he would not let them finish. But he said, if anyone’s going to talk with me about spiritual matters, it’ll be my daughter, June, which I didn’t know. I had no idea. And I give absolute credit really to my mother for nurturing the soil of his heart because she had the right attitude. I had bitterness instead, she had forgiveness.

And I had much to learn how to deal with a difficult mate, how to deal with difficult people. And everyone needs to enter into a true relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is possible, you just don’t know who will turn or when they will turn.


Now it sounds like though that you did have enough discernment and wisdom to say I can only control what I say and do, I can’t control his reaction. Is that looking back now that you understand that? Or did you feel that at the time when you would share with him in the younger years when you were learning these things? Were you able to do that and say I’m just going to do my part, I can’t control his reaction?

Oh, I’m going to be so unfair right here, ask the question, and then the program has to end. I know you want to hear Miss Hunt’s answer to that question. So you’re going to have to tune in tomorrow to get the answer because we’re just simply out of time. And that’s the way it works in radio. You know, if we were long-form podcasts, it could go for three hours, it’d be different. But we have the constraints of all of the radio world. So we’re just simply out of time today.

But we’re going to pick up right there and get the rest of the interview with Miss June Hunt tomorrow. So don’t miss that on WallBuilders Live. If something happens and you’re going to miss the program tomorrow, we’ll have it available on our website at And once again, I want to encourage you to visit that site to make that contribution.

Also, start tapping into some of the tools that we’ve got there. If you’re not hosting a biblical citizenship and modern America class in your home or at your church, it’s time. That’s the best way for you to get active, get involved. You’ll learn so much, but you’ll also be given hope because you’ll realize you’re not alone. You’ll dive into those truths. It’s an eight-week class. We’ve got Kirk Cameron, Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Mat Staver, Congressman Barry Loudermilk, David, and Tim Barton, of course, I mean, all kinds of folks in there just teach in truth. It is powerful. So check that out. That’s it,, and get a class started right there in your community.

We got over 8,500 coaches across the country now. So this thing is really growing. And that’s what it’s going to take to restore American, getting back to Biblical citizenship and you can be a part of that solution at We’ll be back tomorrow with the conclusion with Miss June Hunt. Thanks so much for listening today to WallBuilders Live.