Immigration Handled The Biblical Way: It is Foundations of Freedom Thursday, a special day of the week where we get to answer questions from you, the listeners! Tune in today as we answer your questions such as what is a logical and Biblical way of handling immigration? Should we have an opinion on immigration if we have never been through it ourselves? Is the Bible a militant document encouraging martyrdom and is that why the American people went to war? And so much more, right here on WallBuilders Live!

Air Date: 06/28/2018

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Thomas Jefferson Quote:

President Thomas Jefferson said, “€œI know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves. And if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.”€

Foundations of Freedom Thursday


Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It”€™s Foundations of Freedom Thursday today on WallBuilders Live. Which means we’re diving into your questions about the Constitution, the Declaration foundational principles. We”€™re answering those questions on the hot topics of the day, but we’re always doing that from a Biblical, Historical, and Constitutional perspective.

We here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders. Tim Barton’s with us, national speaker and pastor and the president of WallBuilders. And my name’s Rick Green. I’m a former Texas legislator.

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Alright David, Tim! We’ve got quite a few questions for our Foundations of Freedom program, you all ready to dive in?




All right, first one is on immigration- not a controversial topic at all. You know we’re always dealing with these easy topics on WallBuilders Live like abortion, and guns, and immigration, and-


Everybody”€™s so tired of immigration, all the questions have been answered. There’s really no questions left. Why don”€™t we just skip this one.

How Do You Give a Logical Response to An Emotional Argument on Immigration that Says You Can”€™t Have a Valid View Unless You”€™ve Experienced the Situation?


Nobody”€™s even talking about it.


That”€™s right.


Okay, here we go. It’s “€œWhat is a good Biblical, Historical, and Constitutional response..”€ Somebody”€™s been listening to our program! “€œ an emotional argument that has a basis on the idea that you cannot have a valid view on the issue of border enforcement because you can’t relate to the sufferings of those people trying to escape poverty to live in the United States? And what’s another good response to those who commend Americans that admit they would never enforce the border laws of the United States, being their families have come into the United States illegally?”€

So I think if I could summarize this question basically saying- what’s a logical, not emotional, but a logical response to this idea that you can’t even have an opinion on this unless you’ve suffered in the way that these folks have suffered who are trying to escape poverty from other countries and get to the United States?

Which we obviously love, and we know we’ve got the greatest nation in history. We understand they want to be here. But if we haven’t been in that situation, we’re not even allowed to have a viewpoint.

The Emotional Argument is Not Historical, Biblical, Or Constitutional In This Case


Well, first, I love the way the question is phrased because it puts Biblical, historical, and constitutional in contradistinction to emotional. Because the emotional argument is not historical, it is not Biblical, and is not constitutional in this case.


That”€™s right.

One Way to Deal With Emotions Is to Ask Questions


We’re talking apples and oranges. One of the ways you deal with emotions is you ask questions. Tim has such a good technique on doing this. We”€™re in the middle right now of our leadership training sessions. We”€™re two weeks at a time out of the summer, we have groups of young people come in who are 18-25 years old.

And we take them through this leadership training. And part of what we equip them to do, we inoculate them to handle arguments like this, and handle the things their professors through at them.

So many people go after your emotions. If they can get your emotions stirred up they can get you on their side, or against the other side, or whatever it is. One of the ways that you, if you will, you kind of dissipate emotions is by starting to ask questions.

In this case, of those who make the claims about the hard heartedness of Americans, and “€œYou’re not considering their suffering, and if you were in their spot what would you do?”€ etc, etc.

Look At the Disingenuousness Of Those Offering These Arguments

It’s to look at the disingenuousness of those who often offer these arguments.

For example, when the open borders thing was really hot about a year and a half ago, I saw a survey where that they went to all these openly identified leaders who were advocating for open borders, and it was wrong that we have a wall, and it was wrong that we have borders, and all of these oppressed people need to come in.

They specifically asked those leaders who were visible on TV, in the News, and elsewhere, “€œWould you allow a homeless person into your home? And these people are coming across the border, is it OK if a family lives with you?”€ And there was not a single person advocating for open borders who is willing to take any of those people into their own homes.


It’s probably also worth pointing out that most of those people lived in gated communities anyway. So it seems like there’s some level of irony.


Wait, they had a wall?

Investigative Questions Often Reveal a Double Standard


Yeah, so they have walls and gates and they keep people out that they don’t want in. But for the rest of us normal commoners, we need to let everybody come in and live. That notion is just, it really identifies a double standard and the hypocrisy of where it’s coming from.


And that’s really what you see, is when you start asking questions, and you start putting them on the spot for what they claim that all of our beliefs should have, you find out that they really don’t even believe that themselves.

So they’re really good at throwing out all of this stuff but then they don’t follow through on it. But they expect it to stir you up and move you to action. This is going to change your position. The first thing to do to have any kind of discussion is come back to what’s reasonable. And you get back to that by getting off the emotions through asking questions.

You Don”€™t Have to Experience a Behavior or Situation to Know If It”€™s Right or Wrong


Well, one of the points too, going back to the question, “€œCan you speak to the issue if you’ve never been a part of that issue?”€ This is something that if listeners are not familiar with Ben Shapiro, he actually does a great job unfolding this on the college campus in the midst of a question and debate.

An individual, a young lady, asked him a question, “€œHow can you”€, this white, conservative male, “€œtell me, a woman, that abortion is wrong?”€ Trying to frame this that you don’t understand. And he says, “€œWell because it doesn’t matter what the color of my skin is or what my gender is, I can always tell you that murder is wrong. Because morally I don’t have to be murdered to know it’s wrong. Right. I don’t have to be raped to know it”€™s wrong. You go down the list. I don’t have to experience certain actions and behavior to know what’s right and what’s wrong.”€

Right and Wrong Are Absolute, Regardless of Where or Who I Am  

But this is where this argument is framed from- “€œWell you’ve never been in this situation. Therefore, you cannot uphold the standard of right and wrong, morality, or truth, or constitutional, because you’ve never dealt with this.”€ Well really it’s a very flawed argument.

And this is where trying to help the individual coming from that perspective understand, “€œNow wait a second, how can we say, right, that that rape is wrong if you’ve never been raped? How do you know it’s wrong.”€ Right. There”€™s some obnoxious things you could give as examples, but it’s the same a logical argument- if you’ve never been in this situation, how can you say this is wrong? -Because what’s right and wrong is not contingent upon me being in that situation. What’s right and wrong is contingent upon what is right and wrong, regardless of who I am.


That’s right.

There Are Consequences for Unlawful Behavior


And there’s always consequences with that. For example, I would argue that every single person who has brought their family into the United States illegally knew that they were doing that illegally. I mean there’s no question about it. That’s the reason they went the route they did, or hire the people they hired to get them-

There’s no question they knew it was illegal. Therefore, that also means they are aware that there are consequences. Now the fact they may not be enforced right now does not mean there are no consequences. And the fact that a different administration may start enforcing the law doesn’t remove that.

So in my case, if I’m driving out to the ranch and the speed limit is 55 but I want to go 70, I’m going to go 70. But I know it’s 55, and I know that if I get pulled over I’m going to get nailed on it. But that’s a risk I take. And so the fact that I may decide to ignore the law doesn’t change the fact that I know the law is still enforceable. It still establishes rights and wrongs, and I’m still liable for the consequences of that even if I choose to ignore it.

Simply Because a Law Is Not Enforced Doesn”€™t Mean It”€™s Wiped from the Books

And so for those who came into the United States illegally, their own nations have immigration laws, their own nations enforce those immigration laws. They come into this nation illegally knowing that it”€™s illegal when they come in. And how can you say, “€œWell you can’t enforce the law.”€? Well just the fact that we didn’t enforce it at the time doesn’t mean it’s not still on the books, and that you knew that it was wrong, and that it might be enforced.

So that’s the other side of this, is a lot of people are making arguments that don’t hold up in logic. They don’t hold up in reality. And they don’t hold up either Biblically, historically, or constitutionally because all of those three standards just mentioned all established standards of rights and wrongs and show that those standards are to be upheld.

The Failure of a Leader to Uphold a Standard Does Not Revoke the Consequences of Infraction

And so let me take you back to the Old Testament for a minute. The king there was Manasseh. Manasseh”€™s one of the Kings of Israel. And the Bible clearly establishes that child sacrifice is absolutely an abomination to God. But in Manasseh”€™s reign, he did not uphold that law. In Manasseh”€™s reign, there were multiple child sacrifices. And he led the way in sacrificing children to idols.

And by the way, here’s something that will really challenge your theology, but in reading the other day I saw where that it said Manasseh, at the end of his life, repented for what he had done. But God would not forgive him for all the innocent blood that had been shed in Israel. I thought, oh my gosh, that’s a big deal.

There Are Standards of Right and Wrong

A cursed state on the nation because of all the child sacrifice he did, even though he himself personally repented. So you can’t argue that, “€œWell, because it was OK in the time of Manasseh, it was OK in-“€. No.

There are standards of right and wrong. And that’s that’s what you have historically, legally, and Biblically- standards of right and wrong. And just because a certain administration, or a certain king, may decide he doesn’t want to uphold those standards, does not remove the consequences of breaking those standards.


Alright guys, quick break. We have more questions coming at you. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live on Foundations of Freedom Thursday.

Abraham Lincoln Quote:

Abraham Lincoln said, “€œWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts. Not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”€

Leadership Training Program


Hey, friends! We’ve got a great program to share with you today. It”€™s the WallBuilders Leadership Training Program and it’s an opportunity for 18 to 25 year olds to come spend two weeks diving into the original documents we’re always talking about here on WallBuilders Live.

Tim, you’ve already been doing this a couple of summers and seen the results of young people coming to this program. We’re going to see more of them coming this year.


Yeah, Rick, it”€™s something that”€™s been cool to see the transformation with young people coming in. The emphasis, for us, largely is a pursuit of truth. We have a culture that doesn’t know what truth is. We don’t know what biblical truth is, or constitutional truth, or the American heritage that we have. And so we really dive into original documents and say, “€œWell, what did they actually write? What did they actually do? Not just what did somebody say, what is actually true, and the truth is what’s transformational.


Yeah, guys. This really is a remarkable opportunity. And for those who want to spend time with us and spend time in the original documents, this is a great program. So, if you’re from 18 to 25, or you know someone who’s 18 to 25, send them to sign up for one of our three sessions this summer at

Be At All Times Armed, Thomas Jefferson Quote:

Thomas Jefferson said, “€œThe constitutions of most of our states, and of the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people that they may exercise it by themselves that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. That they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.”€

Does the Bible Encourage Martyrdom and War?


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live on this Foundations of Freedom Thursday. Thanks for staying with us.

Next question comes from Connie. She says, “€œI know you guys are busy, but I’m watching this on C-SPAN, and the theme is basically describing the Bible as a militant document and how it encourages martyrdom using “€˜commonsense”€™ as the example of why America went to war for independence. I’d love to hear about this on your show, and how to challenge the progressive ideology in this presentation. Thank you.”€

Connie, good question! So guys, is the Bible a militant document encouraging martyrdom, and is that why the American people went to war?


Well let me go to the program she’s talking about. Because we went on C-SPAN, we got the transcript. We looked at it. I did not see the program, but we got the transcript of it. And so you have James Byrd, who has a book, and this is the description given on C-Span. I’m going to read three little clips here.

C-SPAN Program Claimed The Bible Promoted Killing and Martyrdom

And this is what she’s talking about, and this is typical of the rest of the transcript. It says, “€œBased on his latest book, he shows the Bible was the key text of the American Revolution.”€ Great. “€œWhen war came to the colonies, preachers and Patriots turned to the Bible for solace. And then..”€ C-SPAN says, “€œ..the Scripture helped amateur soldiers stop their natural aversion to killing.”€ So that’s an interesting clause, that you read the Bible so you get rid of your natural aversion to killing?


So yeah it was actually fortunate that back in the Roman days they had the Bible that they used. And actually the Spartans, I remember, actually were using the Bible to help them and their killing too. And actually every warrior ever used the Bible to help and- Yeah, that’s the most stupid argument I’ve ever heard.


Yeah exactly.


That the Bible was the reason that people were able to go to war.


Here’s another quote from it. It says, “€œOne of the prominent civil war historians argued that to get Christians to kill for their country was harder than to get them to die for their country. Christians have, all along, a sense of self-sacrifice, but getting someone to take up arms and kill, that was the harder obstacle to overcome for a lot of people.”€

So, I mean, Christians are willing to die for the country, they don’t want to kill for the country, so that’s where you read the Bible. And if you read the Bible, then you’re willing to kill for your country.

What Does the Bible Say About Martyrdom?

And then one final third quote here, it says, “€œAnother idea was martyrdom. One of the most popular books that Protestants read throughout history was a book of martyrs.”€ That was “€œFoxe’s Book of Martyrs”€.

“€œSpecifically Catholics imposed martyrdom on Protestants, and embraced together the value that Christianity is worth dying for. This is the idea that sacrifice is something that is valued. Pretty soon, one historian says that colonial Americans have a martyr complex. They see martyrdom everywhere. The idea comes across through the war, when you see in Washington soldiers in the Continental Army, preachers interpret their deaths as if they’re dying as martyrs for their country. Wartime death is martyrdom. The idea of martyrdom is critical. The one I saw everywhere, saturated their documents, saturated their sermons.”€

And on it goes. It’s all about the Bible teaches you how to be a good martyr. Now you guys have read the Bible, can you name me some verses where teaches you how to be a good martyr, and encourage you to be a good martyr, and encourage you to go kill so you can get killed?

Look At the First Martyr, Stephen the Apostle


Well so martyr, you perhaps could look at Stephen the Apostle who”€™s-


That was the first one that came to mind too, Tim.


martyred for his faith. But that”€™s when-


Oh he”€™s the guy that took up the sword and killed all the Sanhedrin? Right?


No, no, no, no, no. That’s the guy that was stoned. And not like marijuana, like Colorado/ Washington State stoned, like he- they pick up rocks and they pelted him with rocks to death. That’s in the book of Acts. And so he was a martyr for the faith. In fact many of the apostles were martyrs for their faith.

Jesus Didn”€™t Encourage Aggressive, Offensive Behavior

But certainly there were no martyrs in the sense of- let me take up a sword and go and start killing people. In fact one of the things that Jesus told Peter, when he drew the sword, it was at the garden of Gethsemane, and then the soldiers were coming to get him and they were going to take him to go be crucified. And so Peter draws a sword, and he strikes out in this aggressive manner and actually cuts off the ear of one of the servants of the priest who was there, and so Jesus heals the ear and says, “€œIf you live by the sword, you”€™ll die by the sword.”€ Jesus actually did not encourage aggressive, offensive behaviour when it came to the sword or when it came to weapons.

The Bible Distinguishes Different Types of War


Yeah there’s two points here. And Tim you just made one of those points really clearly. Is the Bible makes a big difference between an offensive war and a defensive war. It does not encourage you to go to war. And it does not say war’s a good deal, and dying”€™s a good deal. It does not encourage that kind of martyrdom. It helps you know what’s the right kind of war and what’s the wrong kind of war.


Well and so specifically, where you’re going is the idea of self-defence. The Bible, because the Bible allows for self-defence, a defensive of war is Biblically permissible.


That”€™s right.

The Bible Allows Self-Defence


That you are allowed to defend yourself. Because the Bible is in favor of what the Founding Fathers called, it was one of these laws of nature. Self-preservation is how they called it, self-preservation was a recognized law of nature. And the Bible does allow forself-preservationn.

And this is one of those sayings where if you look at the Bible, God is not this very bloody God that a lot of people perceive him to be. Because when you look at King David, King David had this really nice palace he’s living in, he looks and says, “€œOh, we need a nice house for God to live in.”€ And God- David wants to build this really nice house for God. And God tells David, “€œYou can’t build my house because there’s too much bloodshed on your hands.”€

Apparently God didn’t really like this notion of blood shed. Now we certainly could argue that God gave him victory in war. God had favored him. God helped him succeed in war. But God made a distinction that- “€œI don’t want bloodshed building my house, so I”€™m going to let your son do it. There’s not bloodshed.”€

So God does not promote bloodshed, right. This is not this really great heroic thing- God says, “€œHey, I want lots of bloodshed and-“€ No, no, no, that’s not how God does it. But in the midst of this, God does allow for self preservation.

The War For Independence Was Not Offensive, But Defensive

And if somebody is coming against you, or in some cases your nation, you are allowed to defend the rights of self-preservation and then these other, what the Founding Fathers called inalienable rights.

When they go to war, the reason the Declaration was so important is there listing all the ways the king had violated some of those inalienable rights. So they’re standing up saying, “€œNo. You cannot take this from us. You cannot do this.”€

But they’re not the ones that fired the first shot. Right. They didn’t start this war. There were 700 British, came up against 70 Americans at the Lexington Green. It was out in front of Jonas Clark’s church. Jonas Clark was a local pastor. He’s friends with John Hancock and Sam Adams. And so Paul Revere makes a ride to their house that night warning, “€œThe British are coming!”€ The next morning the British show up. So these 70 Americans go and stand against 700 British. And obviously, this is not an offensive war when you have 70 against 700. They were just standing there saying-


And it wasn’t that the guys left Lexington and went after the British to find them, the British came to Lexington.


That”€™s right.

“€œDon’t Fire Unless Fired Upon”€


These guys were in their town defending their homes and their church.


And they were told not to be offensive. In fact, “€œDon’t fire unless fired upon.”€ where the famous words of Captain Parker.


That’s right. It’s engraved in stone there, and that’s what they were told- that you cannot fire the first shot, but-


Which would make it an offensive war, which God”€™s not going to bless.


Right. The reason they were told that is because Jonas Clark had made it clear- “€œGuys, we don’t have the authority to go on offense and do a conquest and conquer, kill people we don’t like, that offend us, etcetera. However, God has given us the right of self preservation, of self defense.”€ And that’s where their officer said, “€œIf they mean to have war, let it begin here.”€ Right. “€œWe’re not trying to start a war, but if they fire on us we will fire back.”€


And see that concept of an offensive versus a defensive war- one is you’re going to conquer, and the other is “€œWe’ll defend if we’re attacked. But we’re not going to start this.”€

The Bible Encourages Standing for What”€™s Right, Even If It Costs Your Life

That also leads to the right, and I’ve got to say this carefully, the right type of martyrdom. In other words, if the Bible encourages martyrdom it’s for standing for your convictions. It’s not the ISIS martyrdom of “€œLet’s go on the offense and take out as many as we can.”€

It”€™s a defensive martyrdom of if they come at you, and come to your home, and come to your business, you need to stand for what’s right even if it causes you to lose your life- like Steven did. Steven was not going to back down from his faith. He was not looking to die, he was not trying to die, he wasn’t trying to take out as many of the Sanhedrin as he could when he died. He was not going to back down from his faith.

So if there is a martyrdom that’s encouraged in the Bible, it is a martyrdom that is the consequence of standing for your convictions and standing for your faith.

Sacrificial Martyrdom, Laying Your Life Down


This is what Jesus said when “€œGreater love has no one this, than he lay down his life for his friend.”€ So the only kind of martyrdom is a sacrificial martyrdom, you are laying your life down. It would not be the jihad kind of martyrdom that is taught in Islam. Where no, that’s an offensive martyrdom. No this is very much a sacrificial, lay your life down, that’s the kind that is glorified in the Bible.

The Bible Does Not Call on People to Kill, It Admonishes Us to Stand Boldly in Truth  


And so the whole notion of, at least what I read through the program, that they use sermons to encourage these guys to go fight, and go kill, and become martyrs, and it was nothing greater than being a martyr. No, no, no. That’s not the objective. That is the consequence of fighting a defensive war. If you die in the cause of a just war, a defensive war, then you can be considered a martyr, but you’re not looking to become a martyr.

That’s where I think the whole tone of that program missed it in so many places. And you know there was a lot to that program, but those are the ones that I saw, as I was reading through the transcript, that really jumped out as egregious misrepresentations of what they would have been saying.


Quick break guys. We’ll be right back. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live, it”€™s Foundations of Freedom Thursday.

Greatest Political Privilege, Calvin Coolidge Quote:


Calvin Coolidge said, “€œThe more I study the Constitution, the more I realize that no other document devised by the hand of man has brought so much progress and happiness to humanity. To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.”€

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton with another moment from American History. The year after the American War for Independence ended we begin addressing the issue of Muslim terrorists in North Africa, who were attacking American ships, killing, and enslaving American seamen.

Congress dispatched John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to negotiate peace. When they asked the Muslim ambassador the reason for the unprovoked attacks he told them that it was written in their Qur’an, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them whenever they could be found.

Sixteen years of negotiations failed and in 1801 America send its military to crush the terrorists. When that war ended in 1805 the first American edition of the Qur’an was published, urging Americans to read the Qur’an to see for themselves that it”€™s teachings were incompatible with the safety and peace of non-Muslims. To see the first American Qur’an and to get more information about America’s first war on Islamic terror, go to

Be At All Times Armed, Thomas Jefferson Quote:

Thomas Jefferson said, “€œThe constitutions of most of our states, and of the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people that they may exercise it by themselves that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. That they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.”€

Feedback From Our Listeners


Welcome back! Thanks for listening today to WallBuilder”€™s Live on this Foundations of Freedom Thursday. Last couple of comments from our listeners are not actually questions, they”€™re actually comments. So I got a few here.

The first one says, “€œI can’t thank you enough for your radio program. It helps me settle so many disputes with others by going to source of constitutional rights with the resources you all have at WallBuilders.”€ That one’s from Wesley.

This one comes from John, “€œMy family and friends are so blessed by your show and other resources. Thank you for everything.”€

And then from Eric, “€œThank you guys for everything you do. I love listening to your programs. They’re awesome and very inspiring. And one day I will ask my pastor to have you guys out, so he can have ya”€™ll educate our fellow churchgoers. And I will also be trying to get my pastor and bishop to the Pastors Briefing this year, so as soon as I can find out about the dates.”€ That one”€™s from Eric.

Schedule a WallBuilders Presentation at Your Church

And by the way, Eric raises a couple of great points there. If you’d like to have a WallBuilders presentation at your church, or organization, or whatever it might be, just go to and check out the opportunity and the speakers that we have.

Encourage Your Pastor to Attend One of Our Pastors Briefings

And then also, if you’d like to get your pastor to one of our Pastors Briefings, check that out on the website as well at Just a great, great opportunity for them to get educated, to be inspired, to see that history and actually find out so many great pastors in our history that had to do with our founding, and had to do with our foundational principles throughout our country’s history. It”€™s a really inspiring opportunity for pastors. So check that out at as well.

There’s a wealth of information there, at our main website, Sometimes it”€™s a little confusing, there’s two websites and

That is our radio site. So if you want to get archives, you want more of these Foundations of Freedom programs, go to that website.

Have Fun Educating Yourself, Your Family and Friends With These Materials Bringing History to Life  

If you want to get some of the tools, some of the DVD programs, download some of the articles, all of these things that are done to educate and inspire your family. And they’re done in excellence, by the way, these are fantastic videos that will inspire your family. There are some reenactments there, there’s all kinds of great questions that are asked as well in those video programs, they get answers. It”€™s just a great way to have fun and educate your family and not have boring history, or boring lessons on this, but actually have exciting lessons on this. Bringing that history to life. So check that out at

And then the last thing I’ll show you, is you can help spread the word. So those comments that I was just reading from Wesley, and John, and Eric. There’s so many people that need to hear these programs, and you can be part of getting them this information.

You can do that by sharing the program. Go to the website at and use that tool of Facebook, or Twitter, or whatever tools you use in your social media. And spread the word. You have a realm of influence. And you can help educate and inspire them with this program.

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Immigration Handled The Biblical Way


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Thomas Jefferson said, “€œIn questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”€