Defending And Embracing The Book Of Genesis – With Ken Ham – Genesis is the foundation for the rest of the Bible. It is so important to understand this book from a biblical perspective. Tune in today to hear Ken Ham explain why it’s important to embrace and defend the book of Genesis!

Air Date: 06/21/2021

Guest: Ken Ham

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Rick:

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David:

Yeah, the Ark experience really is amazing. And what Ken has done there is so good. But there’s a problem that we have as Americans often is that we compartmentalize and we kind of stereotype and we kind of put things in little neat compartments where they go. And so we think, oh, Ken Ham answers in Genesis, that’s creation, evolution, that’s Darwin and that kind of stuff. No. No. The book of Genesis is so much more. It’s called the “Seed plot of the Bible”. Virtually, every single major doctrine in Christianity comes out of the book of Genesis. I mean, just get past the first three chapters on creation.

Tim:

Yes, well, certainly in a backup, certainly at least has the roots of those doctrines and theologies outlined in Genesis, because obviously, there’s more context in Scripture. But the point is that Genesis is the foundation for so much of this. And not to downplay even the creation discussion, because recognizing that God made them male and female in his image, so humans are different. We have the ability to reason, to communicate on a different level. We were made in God’s image, nothing else was. He made them male and female. You have this gender debate, all of a sudden discovered and solved in Genesis 1:26&27.

David:

If beyond gender, as you look at what’s in creation, God created things in an ascending order and he put man over all of creation, he put man over the animals, he put man over everything else. So the kinds of things we have today were often the animals in the planet are placed above man and man has to change behavior, because the plants and animals are more important. No. No, go back to Genesis, you’ll find a hierarchy of things in Genesis

Tim:

To the contradiction where people would support abortion, but once you save the planet, you’ve confused the created order, where man was created to rule over the planet and God said everything is here is for your good, for your benefit. You’re to rule over, to have dominion, etc. So then you go to Genesis chapter 3, and you have the fall of man where you see that God gives freewill to man, and they have a choice what they’re going to do, and Satan comes along and this old adage that the lie that’s repeated so often, and God really saying, you could be like your own gods. And you see so much unfolding.

And then, of course, you have the first murder of Cain murdering Abel, where we’re building up to finally get to the flood. And you have part of the way at covenant where there’s the rainbow and God will never again flood the earth. You have the very first ever civil ordinance given by God to man that if man sheds blood by man, his blood will be shed. This is part of the creation of the institution of government. And then from the…

David:

And by the way, when you look at government, even styles of government, because right after that, you get into the Tower of Babel, and the Tower of Babel is a situation where that is we know from Rabbi Lapin that’s where socialism was first introduced in the Bible, and that’s where God came down really hard against socialism. He didn’t like that. He wanted people to be individuals. He didn’t want them to be like bricks. He wanted to be like stones and that was what happened a tower of Babel, let’s make bricks, let’s all be the same. We’ll treat everybody exactly like you’re all in conformity. We’re going to make you conform. No. No. God creates everything uniquely, individually different. So even not only does he introduce government, even he shows you that socialism is a bad form of government.

Tim:

And that’s only to Genesis 11. Because then you go to Genesis 12 and you have the Abrahamic Covenant, which the Abrahamic covenant is a foundation for the entire rest of the Bible, where God tells Abraham I’m going to bless you. I’m going to make you a great nation. Through you, all the nations of the world be blessed. You also, because of Abraham, we learn about tithing because of Melchizedek. And we go actually jump way forward to Genesis 19, where you learn about Sodom and Gomorrah and this act of sodomy and of course, God bartering, so to speak with Abraham, or at least Abraham trying to barter with God, where will God if there’s 50 righteous people, would you do this? What about 45 or 40, or 30? And there’s so many important things in Genesis that unfold.

And not the least of which you also learn about Tamar, who’s part of the lineage of Jesus, and she was found righteous when Judah was wicked, and just so many things that would seemingly be crazy or weird, and yet some that are also recognized to be so vitally important in Scripture. And this is the foundation just in the first book of the Bible. And this is one of the things that Ken Ham has long argued, as Christians, we have to start with defending the first book of the Bible, because if we don’t defend Genesis, you’re going to have a hard time upholding the standard for the rest of the Bible.

And so, of course, he’s recognized as this creation guy, but it’s because that’s where Genesis starts, it starts with creation. But we have to be able to defend the truth, the accuracy, the inerrancy of Scripture, starting with Genesis and moving forward. And this is where one of the things that we’re seeing in culture right now is the rising generations are embracing sinful lifestyles and behavior at an unprecedented level from any previous generation in American history. Arguably, they know less of the Bible, they spend less time in church, they are having less biblical information taught to them, and they’re getting less discipleship from the different institutions around them, because school is not encouraging it, that they’re not seeing it on social media, they’re certainly not learning it in Hollywood. And Ken Ham came out and explaining, largely starting with the platform of Genesis and saying, guys, here’s where it starts, trying to give an explanation for the biblical approach to some of this sexual identity, sexual preference that a lot of the young generation is choosing that goes against biblical standards.

David:

And one of the reasons that Ken felt compelled to write the article was literally Answers in Genesis, because the article showed that recent poll, I think it’s by Gallup that it looked at sexuality and attitudes toward LGBTQ and who’s identifying that way. And it found that in the younger generation, the Gen Z generation that at a rate multiple times more than any previous generation polling, the current generation says, I’m LGBTQ at a rate that’s unprecedented. And so how did you get that in one generation? How did you see that huge rise? And that’s what he addressed in the article using Answers in Genesis literally, as well as the other Bible verses looking at why it is that we’re seeing such a radical change right now just within one generation.

Rick:

Ken Ham, our special guest today. Stay with us, folks, we’ll be right back WallBuilders Live.

AMERICAN HISTORY

This is Tim Barton, from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Meaning today wrongly claimed our Founding Fathers were largely atheists, agnostics, and deist. Certainly, some Founders were less religious than others, but even they were not irreligious. Consider Benjamin Franklin, definitely one of the least religious among them.

Yet, when the delegates at the Constitutional Convention hit an impasse in their deliberations, it was Franklin who called them to prayer, invoking numerous scriptures to make his point. As he reminded them, “God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured in the sacred writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this.

So, even the least religious of America’s founders urge public prayer and dependence on God. For more information about the faith of the Founding Fathers, go to wallbuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. Always good to have Ken Ham with us from Answers in Genesis, the Ark, the Creation Museum. Ken appreciate you, brother, thanks for coming on.

Ken:

Hi, it’s great to be with you again.

Rick:

Well, you guys always do an incredible work. And we just now were able to get you on, glad we could. Unbelievable, I was shocked by the headline, one in six young Americans identifying as LGBT. These numbers are astronomical. And you say in the article, it’s because we’ve had a loss of Christian foundation in the culture, and they’ve been indoctrinated with this philosophy.

Ken:

Definitely. In fact, you know, there’s a Gallup poll that came out, and they actually compared those who identify as LGBT with those who do not in various generations, and this really was publicized of 2021. And traditionalist who are over the age of 74, 1.3% identified as LGBT; baby boomers, 2%; Generation X, 3.8%; millennials, 9.1%; Generation Z, 16%. So you’re seeing a generational change there.

And if you then look at church attendance, I mean, back in 2010, church attendance statistics done by the Pew Research Center showed that the greatest generation, those born before 1928, 56%, went to church. But when you come down to millennials, it’s 18%. But then Generation Z, twice as likely to be atheist as any previous generation George Barna found out. And when you look at church attendance with Generation Z, it’s down to about 11%. So we’re seeing a generational change here. And at the same time we’re seeing in the culture, the increasing secularization of the culture. So we got to stand back and say, what has happened? Why have we lost these from the church and what has gone on?

And I believe it comes down to this, that 90-95% of kids from church chose to be sent to the public education system that are becoming very antagonistic to Christianity, very secularized teaching, atheistic evolution, in fact, forcing LGBT on them, and so on. And then they come into our churches, those that still go to church, and sadly, when they ask questions about evolution, or millions years, or questions about how can there be a loving God with all the death and suffering in the world? The majority of our churches, majority of our church leaders have said, basically, don’t worry about Genesis, doesn’t matter, just trust in Jesus. And oh, you can believe in evolution, or millions of years. We haven’t given them answers to the skeptical questions of this age. We haven’t taught them how to defend the Christian faith, and just taught them if you like Bible stories.

And so many of them start to realize, if the Bible can’t be trusted in Genesis, how can it be trusted anywhere else? They walk away from the church. And because they’ve been so secularized by the education system, they have this secular worldview. And if you don’t have the absolute authority of God’s Word, and understand that God is the absolute authority, then ultimately right and wrong is all subjective, and it depends upon your, your feelings.

And these younger generations, they really judge things according to their feelings. You know, I know I’m born a male, but I feel I should be a female, or I feel if two men want to get married, that’s okay. They don’t understand that we are sinners, and our heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, as Jeremiah says, in Jeremiah 17:9. And so therefore we can’t trust our feelings, we have to judge our feelings against the absolute authority of the Word of God.

But at the same time, much of the church hasn’t taught them the Bible is the absolute authority. And if we’ve told them, you can start outside the Bible and believe in evolution, or millions years, what you’re taught at school and reinterpret Genesis, we’ve unlocked the door. Why not start with what the world says about marriage and reinterpret marriage? What the world says about gender and reinterpret gender?

And then there’s one other factor that we can’t ignore. And that is, if you read Romans 1, as people rebel against the Creator God, God turns them over to their own depraved natures. And so you see the sexual revolution, the homosexual revolution, now we see the gender revolution. In other words, as people become more secular in their thinking, and abandon God’s Word in their thinking, then God turns them over to their depraved heart, and as a consequence of that, the heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. And so, therefore, it is a part of our nature, wanting to be our own God, Genesis 3:5, and to rebel against God. And I think that that’s all a part of what is happening in our culture.

But it really comes down to a lack of training in our homes, and a lack of training in our churches to teach generations to stand boldly on the Word of God, defend the Christian faith, have a truly Christian worldview, know what they believe and why.

Rick:

If we’re not going to teach truth, they’re going to fall for the lie. If we’re not going to be salt, then the culture is going to rot. And that’s exactly what’s happened. And in your article, I was so glad you laid out Romans 1, that’s what we’ve been saying. I mean, look, even my fake mask because I have to wear when I get on the airplane what I had printed on it is Romans 1:22, professing fools, where it says professing themselves to be wise they became fools. And we’re doing that even when it comes to science for sure with all the things that are happening right now.

But you point to the fact that the foundations have been lost. And so to turn this, to come back to truth, we have to start teaching these basic truths, even with creation itself. That’s why what you’ve done there with the Ark, with the Creation Museum is so important. And I was thrilled to hear off air as we were chatting that the numbers are good, that people are coming and getting that truth. Tell us how that’s going right now, as people flock to your place there from all over the country, frankly, all over the world to find truth.

Ken:

Well, I’ll tell you what I think has happened. I think what we’re seeing is the chasm between what’s Christian and what’s not Christian is widening in this nation and in a whole Western world. And people are starting to realize that many of their kids, their grandkids have been so secularized by the education system, have been taught correctly at churches, at homes, we haven’t taught them correctly. And many people are realizing wait a minute, we’re losing that spiritual legacy, and they’re flocking to the Ark and the Creation Museum, because this is like an oasis in the desert.

I mean, we have the two leading Christian themed attractions in the world and we teach answers to all the skeptical questions of this age. We walk people through the Bible. We answer the questions they have about God’s word. And at the Ark and the Creation Museum, people can spend a whole day or more at each place. In fact, some people spend a whole week and they want to bring their families to wholesome places that are family friendly, God-honoring Christian, but more than that, they give answers. These aren’t just entertainment places. They can be entertaining, but they’re giving answers.

And the number of times I’ve had people say to me, wow, this has helped me realize God’s word really is true, I need to stay on God’s Word, has given me answers. And we’ve heard non-Christians say, we’ve never heard this teaching before. I mean, at the Creation Museum, we walk you through the whole Bible and a planetarium in 4D theater. In the ark, you see the life size Ark and walk through all three decks filled with exhibits giving you answers to help us understand the Bible is true, the history in the Bible is true. That’s why the gospel based on that history is true. And so we’re seeing incredible numbers of people coming who want to invest in their family, the younger generations, and to be able to pass on a spiritual legacy, and they realized that’s the most important thing.

Rick:

It is an absolutely amazing experience. I mean, I cannot recommend it enough to people to take the time to go. This should be your vacation this year, and right now just to have the normalcy around other people and to enjoy that time. One of the things that shocked me, Ken, you told me this a couple of years ago, is the number of people that come to the Ark and the Creation Museum that aren’t Christians that don’t have a biblical worldview, they’re there out of curiosity. It was a significant percentage. I remember what it was, but it shocked me.

Ken:

Yeah, that 30% are non-Christian. You know, it’s interesting, when we built these particular attractions, people said, oh, you’re going to stand on God’s word, and you’re going to proclaim the gospel, and you’re going to believe in Genesis, no, people aren’t going to come to that. Oh, people come to it, because we have made these the quality of Hollywood; in fact is better than the quality of Hollywood. And the way they’re presented, non-Christians rave about the facilities here. And I’ve had many tell me wow, we never expected, this is way exceeds their expectations. The quality is so great. And you know what they love, the family atmosphere and how family friendly it is.

Rick:

Yeah, no, it’s great. It’s great. And that’s what I tell everybody. Ken Ham does everything first class. I mean, it is done in a fantastic way. So for those that can’t come soon to visit, one thing they can do is go to the websites, start getting materials, but now you also do a weekly update on your Facebook page, your interest in Genesis Facebook page for answers news. Tell us a little bit about that.

Ken:

Yeah, we have a live news program twice a week, and it’s from 2:00-2:30 on Mondays and Wednesdays. And actually, we broadcast that live on my public Facebook on Answers in Genesis Facebook. We also have our own streaming platform now answers.tv with thousands of programs on there and we stream it live on there as well. We have lots of different websites for the Ark Encounter, the Creation Museum, Answers in Genesis. But our mother website, if you like, is answersingenesis.org

Rick:

answersingenesis.org, we’ll have a link today at our website wallbuilderslive.com. Last question, before we go, Ken, you close out your article talking about identity, I completely agree that’s the heart of the matter. We got a giant multiple generations now that have changed their identity from Christ to literally their sexuality. And so tell us a little bit about how to reverse that. The game plan is get truth into them, and get them to see that their real identity is not in their sexuality, but it’s actually in the Lord.

Ken:

Well, you know, when it really comes down to it, we’re seeing this clash of worldviews in our culture between moral relativism and the absolutes of Christianity, but really, it’s a foundational clash between God’s word and man’s word. And that’s how it started in Genesis: You know, don’t eat the fruit of the tree, obey God’s word, and the devil says, you can become like God, don’t trust God’s Word.

And so what we have got to do is to be able to challenge these people foundationally and that’s what I do. You know, well, who do you believe you are? Well, where did you come from? Or how do you know you can decide what’s right, what’s wrong? Why don’t you believe in the Bible? The Bible is the foundation for our worldview. You don’t believe that? Well, why not? We we’ve got to bait them into telling us what they’ve been taught that causes them not to believe the Bible, and then show we can defend the Christian faith, give them answers and get them to understand that this is the right foundation, ultimately, understanding for all of us. Faith comes by hearing by the hearing by the Word of God. We don’t do the converting, the Holy Spirit does. We need to remove those stumbling blocks and point them to the word, but to show them that we can defend the Christian concise and that it makes sense of the world.

Rick:

Amen. So powerful. Answersingenesis.org, check it out today and we’ll have the link today at wallbuilderslive.com, Ken Ham, continuing to do incredible work. Thank you, brother. Appreciate your time today.

Ken:

Hey, thank you.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks, we’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

AMERICAN STORY

Hey, guys, we want to let you know about a new resource we have here at WallBuilders called The American Story. For years, people have been asking us to do a history book, and we finally done it. We start with Christopher Columbus and go roughly through Abraham Lincoln. And one of the things that that so often we hear today are about the imperfections of America, or how so many people in America that used to be celebrated or honored really aren’t good or honorable people.

One of the things we acknowledge quickly in the book is that the entire world is full of people who are sinful and need a savior, because the Bible even tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And yet what we see through history, and certainly is evident in America is how a perfect God uses imperfect people and does great things through them. The story of America is not the story of perfect people. But you see time and time again how God got involved in the process and use these imperfect people to do great things that impacted the entire world from America. To find out more, go to wallbuilders.com and check out The American Story.

Rick:

We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. And thanks to Ken Ham for joining us today as well. As we said at the top of the show, you got to visit the Ark. Make sure you check out the Creation Museum as well. It’s great for the family to go or if you’re traveling out that way, and you go by yourself, I mean, you’ve got to go check this out. It’s an incredible experience.

Back with David and Tim, guys, great to have Ken on and great perspective. You know, as you said earlier, sometimes when it comes to LGBTQ issues, if you don’t have the foundation, then it’s easy to buy the lie, it’s easy to worship the creation, and ignore the way that God actually created us. So thank the good Lord for Ken Ham and the truths that he’s putting out there.

Tim:

Absolutely. We’re so grateful for Ken and people like Ken who are trying to help communicate basic biblical truth in a world that definitely seems so confused. And Rick, even as you pointed out with your quip about masks where so often the culture we live in it professing to follow the science, right, professing to be wise they became fools, doing things that don’t make logical sense that is not actually following the science..

This is one of the things that Paul explained even in Romans 1 that when people reject the creator and want to worship and serve the creation more than the Creator, that God at times, turns them over to this debased mind where they begin to think that immoral and illogical and even unnatural in the sense of it, it’s not the way God created nature to work, function, and operate. They begin to embrace these kinds of activities and behavior.

And so certainly, it’s something that if we look at Genesis, you look at Romans 1, God’s pretty clear about the created order, about the way life functions, even about human sexuality, the way that God put humans together, that God joins them male and female. And we read the same thing when Jesus talks about marriage in Matthew 19, that for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother joins his wife, the two become one flesh. What God has put together, let nobody come against.

Well, God started putting that together all the way back in Genesis with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. This is what marriage looked like. This was the origins of human sexuality. And human sexuality was designed for a male and a female to come together. And part of this notion of their sexuality was also to be able to produce families. This was part of God’s command that you fill the earth, you multiply, you produce, and then you subdue, you roll over, you have dominion over the earth. And right now, we’re embracing a lot of lifestyles that are certainly anti-biblical, that certainly contradict the basic biblical truths that we learn in Genesis. And it does make us very grateful for guys like Ken, who are standing up trying to communicate these very basic biblical truths.

David:

And, you know, talking in the interview, we talked about how the church really does need to do better. But I think it’s time to kind of move past that in some ways. It’s not that church needs to do better, because quite frankly, we know that the church right now in America is in a very real way so much but it is literally shot. Tim, as you mentioned several times during COVID, if you thought you were a church that was non-essential, you’re exactly right. You were non-essential. You didn’t have anything to really offer the community. If you think you can pull out and be unplugged, and if you don’t make a difference, then you’re not a church that’s making a difference.

But then we’ve also talked with Barna and others about how many pastors just don’t believe the Bible anymore. And so we’re at a point where the church is not having an impact because the church is not blaming right. But see, it’s not the church. It’s us. We’re the individuals. We’re the ones that should be teaching this to each other. The church is not a building, it’s not a structure. The church is God’s people. And it’s time for us as God’s people to start teaching one another, teaching young people, teaching ourselves. We need to get back in the book and see what it says about issues of sexuality or whatever it is. We can’t rely on the church to do that.

Tim:

Yeah. And one of the things too, I think is important to, dad, we’ve talked about it before, Rick, I know, off air sometimes, we discussed this is one of the challenges is when we say the church needs to wake up, but that the church needs to do the right thing, that at times is an excuse for people to say, it’s not my responsibility, it’s the church’s responsibility. When the fact is that when we get to judgment day, God’s not going to say, well, that wasn’t your job, that was a church’s. No. No. Like, God’s going to look at us and say, what did you do? How did you get involved? How were you a good steward, with the relationships, with the time, with the people I put in your sphere of influence?

And so more so than even in the midst of obviously, we’ve talked about you get to talk to your pastor, you got to encourage your pastor, we need to do things to help activate our church. In the midst of it, we have to be the ones to stand up and get engaged and start having these conversations, start encouraging the younger generation, start leading them and guiding them in biblical truth, making disciples of the next generation. This is part of our call as Christians.

Rick:

This will be our first in WallBuilders Live history. I’m going to close with a line from Barack Obama to follow what you just said “We are the ones we’ve been waiting.” It is our responsibility, folks. You can’t just blame the pastor. You can’t blame the church in general. As Tim was saying, we’re the ones that have to step up. God works through his people. We have to be that solution for our country. Thanks so much for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.