The Power Of Lifemark – New Christian Movie Release With Kirk Cameron – A new Christian movie, Lifemark, is in theaters! The power and story of Lifemark is incredible, and Kirk Cameron joins us to discuss this movie today!

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Air Date: 09/12/2022

Guest: Kirk Cameron

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton

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Rick:

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Okay, David, and Tim, got Kirk Cameron with us a little later, he’s got a new movie that is out right now, and it actually deals with adoption. You guys remember, we had Phil King on just, I don’t know, a couple of months ago, celebrating the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and he said, listen, man, everybody’s got to switch their focus now and start thinking about not only how to fight to end abortion in the individual states, but now what do we do for adoption and how do we make our laws better on that, how do we get more weapons, pregnancy centers and more adoption agencies? So we definitely need to be thinking in that direction. So glad this movie’s coming out to get more people thinking about it as well.

David:

Yeah, adoption, I mean, when Phil said that, we were talking to kind of offline, he said, hey, we’ve got to start really thinking ahead, because just Texas 50,000 births a year more is what we may be looking at. And as you look at all these other states, you’re talking millions now, millions that may not be aborted that may be live birth now. What do you do with that? I mean, just think about it.

In most cases, probably, if a woman’s willing to kill that unborn child that probably don’t want the child, there could be some situations that are different. But generally, you’re looking at probably a lot of births that will now happen to a mother that may not want that child. So what do you do with that child because you still want to raise that child still got all the potential God put in that child, who knows what that child might become with the right guidance and right family? And so adoption becomes a really big issue.

And as I was thinking about adoption, I guess, it’s always been an issue in America, but I think it’s going to become a forefront issue in some ways. And thinking about that, I actually started looking at scriptures, and I was really surprised at the concept of adoption, and it really hit me, adoption ought to be a really big issue to every single one of us because according to the Bible, every one of us is adopted by God here.

Here’s one out of Ephesians 1:5, he says, in love God predestined us to be adopted as his children through Jesus Christ in accordance with His pleasure and will. We’re adopted in his family. We’re born into it, but he let us come in through Jesus Christ. Galatians 4, it says, when the set time had fully come, God sent His Son born of a woman born under the law to redeem those under the law that we might receive adoption to sonship. We were born under the law, but we’ve been adopted into his family. It’s the same in Romans 8, the same in John 1, the same in Psalm 68. I mean, there’s just so many verses talking about how that we all are adopted. And I hadn’t ever really thought of my relationship with Christ and the standpoint, I’m an adopted child, I’ve always thought I’m his son.

And then I started even thinking in the Bible, you’ve got Samuel, when he was four-years-old, he was really adopted by Eli, who became the foster parent. But Samuel, from that very young age is raised by really, you could call adoption probably wasn’t legal because they didn’t have the process, but an adopted or foster parent and Moses, same with Pharaoh’s daughter, that was the adoption, the foster parent, if you will. And so there’s just so much in the Bible that really does focus on adoption. And I think that that’s going to be part of what we’re going to have to think about next two or three years, as all these states start saying, hey…

I talked to a senator today and they are in the midst of passing their antiabortion law now that Dobbs has come down. And so it’s a large state, and they’re looking in the same way at tens of thousands of children potentially. So I think this is going to be a fairly good sized issue that we’re going to have to deal with. But we as Christians should be able to step forward with the best solution on this stuff because we certainly should understand adoption from a spiritual standpoint, since every one… If you’re a Christian, you’ve been adopted.

So you have a connection to adoption. And I think we need to remember that as we look at policies and look at other things going forward, as we come into this new era of post Roe v. Wade.

Tim:

Dad, I think it’s interesting, as you point out what the Bible says about adoption because this is something that when I was youth pastor for many years, this was something we talked about a lot, which we actually had some adopted kids in our youth group and actually I’ve several good friends who were adopted. And also, I’m an adoptive parent, my wife and I, we adopted our first daughter. And this is something that certainly is a theme that resonates throughout scripture, it’s something that’s very consistent.

But as we are looking at culture, it’s very ironic that we hear so often from the Left, that for Christians you just want abortion to stop, but you don’t care about the mother and child; after birth happens, you all don’t care about that kind of stuff. And there’s so much nonsense that is spewed toward Christians when the reality is the vast majority of the facilities of these nonprofits that are out there trying to help women.

And even in many cases, when you look at so many of the orphanages that they are run by Christian nonprofits, they are run oftentimes through some church affiliate program. But this is something that Christians, I mean, arguably, since the very beginning of the notion of Christianity, and really, maybe even before that, if you look back at the Old Testament is, dad, you mentioned even with some of the notion of some adoptive parenting, so to speak, even in the Old Testament, this has been a consistent thought and theme in Christianity. When we know that in James, it talks about pure and undefiled religion is looking after widows and orphans, this has always been a central theme of Christianity.

And as we are looking at states that are now working hard to try to ban abortion in those states, this is something that we do want to make sure that we at WallBuilders, we’re working with state legislators right now to try to draft policy to make it easier for people to adopt it. It’s crazy how much money it costs to go through the adoption process. As I mentioned, my wife and I went through part of that process, and there were so many crazy expenses just to try to offer a stable home to a child that needs a stable home.

It should not be this incredible burden when you are trying to help save and invest in a child, I mean, as individual. But all that to say, it’s great that that now Kirk Cameron has a movie out which highlights some of the adoption process which actually shows some of the competing emotions and ideas from different sides and the questions and maybe insecurity. I’ve not yet seen this movie. I’ve seen previews and heard some things from Kirk Cameron about it. But I’m very excited, hopefully this week to go see this movie. But also I’m excited, Rick, as you talk to Kirk to hear maybe some insights on more of the behind the scenes of this movie.

Rick:

Yeah, man we’re making a date night at our house, so we’re going to go see it and take my son Reagan and his fiancée to go see it. So we encourage everybody else to do the same. But let’s learn a little bit from Kirk Cameron himself. Take a quick break, guys, we’ll be right back with Kirk Cameron as our special guest talking about the new movie out right now called ‘Lifemark’. Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Great to have Kirk Cameron back with his new movie that’s out right now in theaters, you got to see it; and the story behind it’s just amazing. God’s timing is well, perfect, because it’s God’s timing.  Kirk, great to have you back, man.

Kirk:

Hey, Rick, good to talk with you. I’m not sure I can listen as fast as you talk; it’s really kind of amazing. Thanks for having me on the show.

Rick:

Oh, of course, man, so excited about the movie, we’re planning to go see it in theaters because frankly, we haven’t seen a movie in theaters in quite a while. But when you’re in it, we want to go see it and the story about adoption right now. In fact I just had a state rep on just a few weeks ago talking about hey, our focus has got to shift, now that we overturn Roe v. Wade, we need to be passing legislation that makes adoption easier. And all of this kind of leads right into your movie. And the fact that it’s coming out now right when people are starting to think about this, just love it. So tell us a little bit about you’re doing it with the Kendrick Brothers how it all came about.

Kirk:

Well, you’re absolutely right about the timing. It is unbelievable, who would have thought that in our lifetime Roe v. Wade would be gone, aborted. Adios! And now, right on the heels of that Supreme Court ruling, a movie rushes into the movie theaters celebrating the value of life in the womb and the beauty of adoption. We couldn’t have planned it.

We started making this movie two and a half years ago, but it was delayed by COVID and the pandemic shutdowns. But now the timing, it couldn’t be more perfect. So this whole movie is based on a true story of a young girl who changes her mind on the abortion table. At 18 years old, she decides to choose life over abortion and she hides her child’s birth from her parents and everybody else when she places him up for adoption. 19 years later, she receives a phone call from her son saying he wants to meet her. And she never thought she’d see him again and now she wonders if he hates her guts for not raising him, for abandoning him. And she finds out that the opposite is true that he wants to thank her for giving him life and this incredible family that adopted him.

It’s a beautiful movie that’s pro-abundant life, pro-love, pro-family, pro-reconciliation and new beginnings.

Rick:

Wow! Now, who do you play in movie actually?

Kirk:

So I play the adoptive father. So I’m the dad who adopted the young boy and I actually have some special effects that that de-age me about 20 years, and then age me about another 30 years. So I get really young in the movie and I get really old in the movie. And I can relate to all the stages of this process because I myself am an adoptive father.

So Chelsea and I have six children, we adopted our first four kids. And so we know just what this journey is all about. And get this, my wife is an adopted child as well. So I am so deeply grateful for those moms and those people who surrounded her and helped her to choose at an agonizingly difficult moment in her life, where they didn’t have the support that they needed, they weren’t ready to be moms and dads, and yet they chose life and they made our dreams come true.

Rick:

You know the power of a movie like this and too often we sit down for a movie and we get up we’ve been taught to value that’s not a good value, in this case, somebody watches this movie and the impact that it has on them to realize what a valuable choice this is. And who knows how many will make that decision after seeing a movie like this? That’s why don’t we want as many people as possible to go see the movie and share the movie. And it’s going to be a blessing to everybody that watches it.

By the way great interview with the Babylon Bee, that was so fun to listen to. But I heard you talking during that interview about how you found this story and went to the Kendricks with it, you hadn’t worked with him since I guess it was fireproof. And so tell us kind of how that all worked out.

Kirk:

So I’m a huge fan of movies that the Kendricks have made like Fireproof, Courageous, War Room and I wanted to make a meaningful movie based on this little documentary I saw called I lived on Parker Avenue, you can look it up on YouTube and watch it. And it was so moving to me, Rick, that my wife and a friend of mine and I said we got to turn this into a movie like a real movie.

And so I called the Kendrick brothers, Alex and Steven, and I said, look, before I invest all this time and money and energy into making this movie, would you just watch this documentary, tell me if I’m making a big mistake, or you think this is a good idea? And Alex called me back and said, Kirk, not only do we think this is a good idea, we prayed about it and we think God wants us to make this movie with you. And so I said, well, let me think about it for half a second. Okay, let’s do it.

And so now we’re producing the movie together. Alex and I are playing two of the acting roles in the movie. And like I said, it’s based on a true story. We couldn’t have written the story this good. It’s got heart. It’s got humor, tons of action. There’s skydiving, cliff jumping, ATVs, high school wrestling and knife throwing. And it’s hilariously funny. And it will make you cry at least two or three times because as you watch the journey of this young mom making an agonizing decision, this young couple longing to start a family but who cannot have kids of their own and then this 19 year old young man who is on a search to discover the beginning of where his life started: you’re just going to love it.

Rick:

Love it, man. Alright, Kirk, I’m not in the movie business, but the way I understand it is when you come out like this for a week or so with these theaters all across the country, more people that go, the more likely they extend it, which means more people will see it, which means more lives will be saved and touched. So seeing it right now in theaters while it’s in theaters is a smart move, it’s a great way to support what you guys are doing as well.

Kirk:

You know, it’s been said that politics is downstream of culture. And when we look at who are the cultural shapers, what shapes the hearts and minds of people, particularly young people today? Well, it’s often the media. And it’s the stories that we tell people.

This is a story that can change hearts and minds, which can then change laws and legislation. If you want to find something practical you can do to shift our culture toward celebrating and protecting life, go see Lifemark, you’ll love it. And if you take your friends, it sends a movie to the theaters, that we want more of these kinds of movies, and we want it in the theaters longer and we want it in more theaters, so more people in smaller towns can see it. So I’m hoping everybody goes out and sees it as early as possible, and that will help it to stay in theaters as long as possible.

Rick:

Lifemark’s the name of the movie. Is there a website to go watch the trailers and find out where it’s playing or just go to IMDb? What’s the best way to find it in your community?

Kirk:

Go to Lifemarkmovie.com. That’s Lifemarkmovie.com. You can watch the trailers and you can also purchase tickets and find out where it’s going to be playing in your area.

Rick:

Can you actually book a theater and actually take like your church or do like a group event sort of thing with it as well?

Kirk:

Yes. If you go to Lifemarkmovie.com, there’s a whole section there for group tickets. You can buy out a theater, you can buy large groups and get a discount. I believe for 25 tickets or more, you can get a significant discount on the ticket prices.

Rick:

Alright, Turning you folks listening right now our Constitution coaches, you’ve got a local group where you’ve been maybe watching Kirk do American campfire revival or you’ve been watching David and me Constitution Alive, or maybe you did Biblical Citizenship, but you’ve already got the people that would love to get together and have a night out like this and to support such a great movie, and you’re just going to enjoy it as well. If you go to the website, then you can actually booked a theater and have your own special event. I think that’s amazing. And invite the whole town, have everybody come watch it, and then sign them up for your Constitution class. I mean, so many ways you can do this.

Alright, Kirk, God bless you, man, I really appreciate you calling in and doing the show. Thanks for doing another great movie as well and we’re looking forward to getting a lot of people to the theater.

Rirk:

Well, thank you, Rick, I so appreciate all the work that you’re doing. And I’m just kind of blown away at the providence of all of this. I mean, to be a part of Constitution Alive, and while you’re doing at the Patriot Academy and WallBuilders and I just feel this momentum of revival that is moving in the right direction in our country, and I’m so grateful to be a part of it.

Rick:

Well, we’re glad you are, man. And I don’t know how you spend so many plates and do so much. But you and Chelsea are doing a great job and just helping people to learn how to homeschool. I mean, the movies, the show you’re doing on TV, I don’t know how you do as much as you do. But I’m telling you, you guys are for such a time as this being a voice into a culture that’s desperate for truth and desperate for a solid foundation. So I’m just thrilled that God’s doing what he’s doing with you and that he brought us together for some of the other things. So just keep up the great work, man. Have a great trip while you’re out on the road. And we’ll look forward to having you back again soon.

Kirk:

Well, thanks so much. Believe me. I want to take a break. But the Republic’s in trouble. The alternative to working hard is not acceptable. So, I’ll see you out there on the road and let’s keep at it.

Rick:

I love it. Sounds good. All right, everybody. That’s Kirk Cameron. We’ll have a link to the website for the for the Lifemark movie to date at wallbuilderslive.com to make it easy. Stay with us, we’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Rick:

We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. And thanks to Kirk Cameron for joining us as well. Lifemark is the movie; you can check out the website, we’ll have a link today at wallbuilderslive.com. Back with David and Tim. And what a cool story just in terms of the timing guys, you know, God’s timing, of course, perfect and what a great message for the American people right now in the wake of Roe v. Wade being overturned.

David:

I really liked the fact that it’s a true movie based on a true story. You know, for me watching movies and I love watching movies, when I know a movie I’m watching is a true story of something, you know what, I don’t care what it is, whether it’s a war movie or whether it’s a Western anything else, it has a different connection for me. I look at it in a real sense of those are real people and these really were emotions. This is not just some script writer in Hollywood writing something that plays with my emotions. This is actually something that happened.

And the fact that this is a true story, and as Kirk was going through telling the story, and all the different things, thinking about that 18-year-old want to know really what was his beginnings, where did come, I guess I really hadn’t thought about that as being so much of a story before and then the mom on the other side won’t, he’s got to hate me because I rejected him early, so there’s got to be this hatred there.

There’s a guy I work with, who recently reconnected with a son he had years earlier, his son had never met him. And he was just convinced it’s going to be pure rejection and it was just the opposite, it was acceptance. And so I love the fact that it’s a true story, and not just a Hollywood made up stuff to appeal to Christian emotions, not that that’s necessarily bad. But the fact that this is true, I think it’s going to be repeated over and over and over again in America as we start looking at adoption from a very real public policy way and from a Christian perspective of this as a biblical thing to do.

Tim:

Well, one of the things too, as my wife and I started looking at the adoption process, we had friends that were running a foster home placement program that we’re helping with an adoption agency and the thing they pointed out is when God helps a woman get pregnant, and we’re saying that obviously God is the one that joins that egg and sperm together, and it doesn’t always mean that it was a wonderful moment when that happened, because we know there are some horrific moments for women. But by and large, generally speaking, God intended for a man or woman to come together, God intended for that child to be born. And in most scenarios, when there is a pregnancy, there’s a mother and father that were connected in relationally on some level and God’s design was for that child to be raised by that mother and father.

But in a fallen broken, sinful world, sometimes the brokenness of individuals and their choices or the world we live in, there can be multiple factors, it can prevent that child from being able to be raised by their mother and father. And this is where fortunately, there are people that have the heart of ministry, the heart of hopefully, Christianity, to want to step in and help be the father to the fatherless, right.

One of the things that we know that that God can be for us as he can be the father to the fatherless, or because God made man and woman in His image that God encompasses all, that also God can be a mother for the motherless, God can fill the gap and the void of what is missing for people.

But the reality that God allows individuals to step in in some of those moments and help people who don’t have a mother or father to fill that gap in that void and dad, as you mentioned, seeing some of these examples and stories, as we are seeing this movie now from Kirk Cameron and Rick, I think it’s a great idea date night, I’d have to help my wife find us a babysitter and we’ll go see, have a date night and nights excuse to get out of the house and have some time without little children yelling and screaming. It’s wonderful that it is, we love having kids, you know, having some adult conversation could be great.

With all that being said, I think that as we look so often in what Hollywood does, and what they promote from an agenda from their philosophical worldview perspective of human sexuality or of relationships, you don’t often see the healthy dynamic that God would desire from us that a male and a female or a man and a woman, a husband and wife be united together and raise kids in a stable home. We know historically, culturally speaking, what makes a strong community is strong families, what makes a strong state is strong families, what makes a strong nation is strong families. And the fact that the Left is demonizing the very structure of family unit, it’s not just a Left, I mean, this has been the devil’s objective from beginning is to destroy what God wanted to put together, but even in this adoption process that God in restoration redemption allows a way for people to step in and to provide a safe loving environment.

And dad, as you mentioned, that there’s probably going to be a lot more opportunities for the adoption to take place, there’s probably going to be a lot more kids that need a safe and stable home. And so this could be an encouragement. For everybody listening, maybe you need to pray and see if the Lord would lead you maybe to help be a father to the fatherless and mother to the motherless, that right the parent to those in need. And hopefully, this movie does well and encourages people of the dynamic of family and relationship. Ultimately, hopefully, that the mom and dad will be able to raise the kid that God gave to them. But in some scenarios where that doesn’t happen, that there would be a loving mother and father who could step in and help be the adoptive parents for that child in need. Either way, I’m excited to go see this movie, and hopefully learn more about this story.

Rick:

Alright, folks, thanks for joining us today. Thanks for being a part of WallBuilders Live. And when I say a part of WallBuilders Live, I mean, not just as a listener. If that’s all you’ve done so far is listen, great. That’s the beginning; hopefully, it get you educated and inspired, but it’s also equipping you to take action. So it’s more than just listening. Now it’s getting off the sidelines onto the field. And I don’t mean to say you’ve never done anything like that. I’m just saying that right now we need a shift in our focus directly to the culture war.

In other words, we don’t have to despair because of all the bad that’s going on out there. We don’t have to give up. We don’t have to think whoa, what was me and, and whoa, for my children and all that… No, instead we say, okay, yeah, yeah, there’s a lot of bad happening in our country, but there’s also a lot of good happening and there’s lots of opportunity for us to do something.

Just like the topic today, I mean, now with Roe v. Wade being overturned, the opportunities to be a part of the prolife movement in a really positive action-oriented way in every community across the country, there’s also opportunities to be a constitution coach and get people educated on how to save the Republic had actually restored liberty in this nation. There’s just so many things you can do.

So I just asked you today be a part of WallBuilders Live by taking action in your community. Maybe it’s some of the things we talked about today in the prolife movement and get maybe volunteering for pregnancy center in your community or whatever it might be. But it might also be becoming a Constitution coach, being a leader in your community and bringing people together. Again, no experience necessary, you don’t have to know anything about the Constitution or history. We coach you through all of that and we equip you and your folks that are going to be in your class and it’s all free. So there’s just so many different ways you can be a part of it; everything available at wallbuilderslive.com today or you can go to constitutioncoach.com. But we just encourage you, start taking action, look for ways to take action to help us save liberty.

Appreciate you listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.