Moral Clarity Is The Key To Persuasion, Everybody Needs A Rabbi: Everybody Needs A Rabbi: This is the second part of a three-part series with Rabbi Lapin at the Pro-Family Legislators Conference. Rabbi Lapin does a great job at pointing out where we are in America as a Christian nation and how we’ve got to be more certain about what we believe. Also, how important it is for us to realize why these principles are necessary to keep freedom alive in our country. Rabbi Lapin also gives an interesting perspective on what our laws are based on. In this episode, he talks about the importance of having moral clarity. When you’ve got moral misgivings, you lose your ability to be persuasive. He also talks about something we miss in the English translation of the Bible. Tune in now to learn more!

Air Date: 01/23/2018

Guest: Rabbi Lapin

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture


You”€™ve found your way to the intersection of faith and the culture.  This is WallBuilders Live! Where we talk about today”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture.  Always from a Biblical, historical, and Constitutional perspective.

We do that with David Barton, he”€™s America’s premier historian. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state legislator.

Today we have a special guest, Rabbi Daniel Lapin. He was with us yesterday, he”€™s going to be here today and tomorrow. It’s actually a presentation he shared at the Pro-Family Legislators Conference.

Which, by the way, you want to share that with your legislator. Go to our website, It’s a great chance for them to come in and sharpen each other’s countenance, exchange ideas, and learn from great speakers like Rabbi Daniel Lapin. You can find out more at and


David, Tim, so we had Rabbi Lapin start on this presentation yesterday. And today we’re going to pick up kind of the middle. Then tomorrow, we’ll get the conclusion which covers a lot of ground and it’s applicable not just to legislators, but also to our audience.


Yeah, I love Rabbi Lapin”€™s teaching. We heard the first part yesterday. I’m excited for the rest of it coming. But, it’s so fun as he unfolds Biblical truth, Biblical principles. And especially where we ended with his talk yesterday. He was even defending Christianity and why America is a Christian nation, we operate on Christian principles.

It’s always interesting-

A Jewish Guy Defending America is a Christian Nation?!


Wait a minute, a Jewish guy is defending America is a Christian nation?!


Exactly! You have an orthodox Jewish rabbi who is defending Christianity. Now, he has actually said several times strategically that actually we need more Christians in the world because Christians uphold the standard of morality. He said, “€œYou Christians, you believe in evangelism, you believe in proselytizing. Jews, we don’t.”€

And so if somebody doesn’t proselytize with the right standards then will be an Islamic world soon, or a secular nation, or whatever else. He says, “€œWe need Christians.”€ So, he’s actually a big fan of Christians and Christianity. That’s why we’ve been able to be such good friends and done a lot of stuff together for so long.


Matter of fact, even from first time I met him, he gets offended if you don’t stand up for your Christian beliefs. If you try to water them down because he’s a Jewish guy and you try to go to middle ground, he”€™ll call you out.


Yeah. Well, even praying over a meal, right? If you pray, “€œWell, hey, if you”€™re going to pray in Jesus name, that’s fine. You do what you need to do. You pray in Jesus name.”€ And he just kind of authoritatively tells you, “€œWell, yeah, you go for it.”€ “€œOkay, rabbi, I don”€™t want to offend you, but, yes, I believe in Jesus. In Jesus name Amen.”€ But it really is interesting that he’s not intimidated by our faith. He encourages our faith.

But that’s one of the things he pointed out in yesterday’s program, is that this Biblical understanding in America used to be so commonplace. When you look at the fact we wouldn’t even deliver mail on Sunday. And he says, “€œAnd, in Israel, we wouldn’t deliver it on Saturday. That’s our Sabbath.”€ But because the Sabbath in America was Sunday, it’s just another example of why we know that it was based on the Christian calendar.

Much More Than Just for Legislators


And just so many interesting things he gets into. So this is so much more than just for legislators. It really is helping understand Biblical thoughts, Biblical truth. The way we are thinking, making sure we’re lining up Biblically. So, I’m really just excited for what he’s going to get into today.


Well, if folks missed yesterday, it’s on our website right now, So you can click in the archives, scroll down to yesterday’s program and catch up. We’re going to go back to the conference, we’re going to pick up right where we left off yesterday. When we come back from the break, it will be Rabbi Daniel Lapin at the Pro-Family Legislators Conference.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton with another moment from American history. As the American War for Independence began, the president of Yale was the Reverend Naphtali Daggett. When New Haven, the home of Yale, came under attack about a hundred citizens rushed out to meet the British.

The Reverend Daggett galloped by them on horseback, his clearable robes flowing behind him in the wind. He took up a solitary position atop a hill. The 2,500 British soon put the townsfolk to flight but the Reverend Daggett continued to stand alone firing down on the advancing troops.

A British officer confronted him, “€œWhat are you doing there you old fool? If I let you go, will you ever fire again on the troops of his majesty?”€ Nothing more likely was the preacher’s reply. America’s early pastors personally confronted danger and courageously led their communities.

For more information on Pastor Daggett and other colonial Patriots, go to

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

And so God let the people of Israel remain in the desert for 40 years. Until when? Until the entire generation that had lived in Egypt had died.

And in the history of science, you’ll find the same idea. They don’t say forty years, but they do say that revolutionary ideas like the structure of the atom in the late 19th century. Everybody used to believe that an atom was like a blueberry muffin. There was what an atom looked like and inside, there were the blueberries, or the protons, dotted around.

Scientific Discoveries

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

And Rutherford came along and there were many others who followed him who started saying, “€œNo, it’s a nucleus of protons and neutrons and then they’re an orbital arrangement. It’s a very complicated thing, but the best way we can describe it is to say, “€˜arrangement of electrons in orbit”€™.”€ People were horrified. Well, people’s careers were based on the old model. They weren’t going to go down without a fight.

It takes a while, it takes time, for these things to be absorbed. Well, it didn’t take that long before John Stuart Mills idea that we don’t need the Bible anymore. To quote his words, actually, what he actually said was, “€œThe Bible was intended only for a primitive and barbarous people.”€ That’s what he said. And people bought into it.

But it took a while and it wasn’t until the early 1900″€™s that it really began to become a reality. And then you had people, and I wish I didn’t have to tell you this, but there were secularized Jews in the Frankfurt School, people at Frankfurt University, who with the arrival of the Nazis, moved to the United States and brought their insidious ideas with them. Everything you see today, microaggressions critical theory, were all of a sudden English literature has to be evaluated in terms of its treatment of race and gender. All of these ideas, including the banning of free speech in the name of not citing any heretical views.

Did you hear what I just said? Have you ever heard it described that way? Please know that that’s what’s going on. And before I get off, even if it takes me 40 days, I’m not leaving until we all see this fundamental idea that what’s going on is the punishment of heretics on the American campus. Religious heretics, people who are violating the prevailing orthodox doctrine of fundamental secularism.

I’m going to explain that, but that’s what I want you to take away along with that basic idea that even a microscopic morsel of moral misgiving is enough to prevent you projecting a powerful and persuasive message. Well, John Stuart Mill starts off this idea that we don’t need the Bible anymore, we’re going to base politics now on a scientific model that’s going to be developed by political scientists and by philosophers, but certainly not with the Bible. And that was the beginning of the end. It took a little while, but that- we are now reaping the fruits of that. For all the years.

It worked beautifully not with our problems, obviously. Let us acknowledge that almost every war you can think of, every war that has resulted in huge deaths, has always involved different belief systems. We”€™ve got to know that. Even, by the way, astoundingly, do we know that here in the United States the first religious executions were in 1659 in Massachusetts. It wasn”€™t in Texas, obviously, but it was in Massachusetts.

That’s right three Quakers were hanged by the Protestant authorities for being Quakers, 1659.

There is Nothing that Drives Our Passions More than Our Belief Systems

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

There is nothing that drives our passions more than our belief systems. It’s so incredibly important. Really have to understand this. Voltaire and Rousseau were people who also began the demolition of the Biblical system. They both died in France in 1778.

Voltaire said that in his lifetime the Bible would be out of print. It would become– well, in one of the beautiful ironies that just shows you that there really is a God who wants us to laugh occasionally, Voltaire’s home in Switzerland, in Geneva, was bought by the Geneva Bible Society. And from that very home where Voltaire decreed that the Bible would be extinct in our lifetime, from that home, millions, upon millions, of Bibles have been dispatched around the world in one of those beautiful little sequences. But look at that, that’s who we were. Our entire legal system is based on the writings of John Selden, right, The Legal Treatises of the English People.

I don’t know if we have any lawyers here, but if any of you are lawyers, you probably studied the writings of John Locke, but only half. You were never shown the first two. You know why? Because all of John Locke’s- the first half of his treatise, is all explaining how law has its basis in the Bible. John Locke- and that’s why, again, please note, speak to anybody who’s gone through law school and say, “€œDid you study John Locke?”€

“€œYes.”€ “€œDid you study one and two or three and four?”€ “€œOnly three and- only the second part. We didn’t study the first part.”€ “€œYes, I know you didn’t, because there’s no way your professors would ever have told you what’s written in the first part of John Locke”€™s book.”€

It’s all about the Bible building society, how crucial that is as it”€™s foundation. It”€™s magnificent. Everybody knows of Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan. Speak to people, “€œHave you read it? “€œYeah.”€

“€œWhich part?”€ “€œWell, in school they had me read-“€ “€œI bet you only read books one and two.”€ “€œYeah, that’s right. How do you know?”€

What Percentage of Professors are Hard Core Leftists?

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

“€œWell, because books 3 and 4 are all about the Biblical foundation of social and political law and they don’t let you read it.”€ What percentage of professors on the university campuses of America today are hardcore leftists? So, the most recent figures I’ve obtained, from a reliable source, is that 1 out of 12 vote Republican. No, 1 out of 13, 12 vote Democratic for every 1 that votes Republican. That’s all the professors as a group.

What happens to that number if you only look at professors age 36 or younger? The number goes to 25. So, a student has twenty-five times more chance of encountering a liberal professor than a conservative one. And students gravitate towards the younger teachers, particularly in the undergraduate schools. So, 25 to 1, that’s where it’s at.

So, not surprisingly, nobody knows these things we’re talking about. They don’t understand because they’ve never read books 3 and 4 of Leviathan, and they’ve never read the first part of John Locke. John Selden, upon whose work John Locke was based, John Selden a hundred years earlier, all Biblical. The structure of society, all the laws, the way society is held together, because of seeing this link between the social structure of the Bible and the subsequent political structure that codifies those descriptive laws that already exist in the Bible. That was where we come from.

That was what we used to be. And that began to be stripped away methodically in America round about 1962. You can never put any exact date on any epochal change. And I say 1962 because in the 1950s, we still had more of a traditional understanding of life in America. Prayer was common in public schools.

No Jew ever complained, “€œOh, I have to say a prayer in my public school.”€ Nobody minded. It was absolutely accepted the Supreme Court passed rulings twice in those years that the primary authority of a child is the parent, not the state. Well, that wouldn’t happen today.

Things Have Changed

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

Also, you may remember that Eisenhower introduced the term “€œone nation under God”€ into the pledge. How well do you think that might go down if anyone tried to introduce something like that today? Things have changed. There is a new contempt for Christianity and for the Bible in America today. That’s what we’re dealing with and we have to be aware of it.

And we have to be able to deal with it cunningly and persuasively within the political context. But we have to be motivated by an unshakable inner core of strength. Because with any moral misgiving, we totally lose our power to project powerfully and persuasively. That principle is, in itself, a powerful Biblical principle.

There’s a phrase, you know, Tim was kind enough to suggest that everyone needs a rabbi. Now, simply for prolonging my own employment, I like that idea. And I humbly submit myself as a candidate for you. But one of the reasons is that the Old Testament was written in the Lord’s language. The Hebrew Scriptures are called the Hebrew scriptures because that”€™s what they are.

And there are certain meanings and complexities that can only be decoded, but not translated. So, I’ll give you an example. There is a phrase which you will see in the English translation, whether you use the King James or any of the subsequent translations. They all say the same thing, “€œon that selfsame day”€. “€œOn that selfsame day, the children of Israel left Egypt.”€

“€œOn that selfsame day, Abraham circumcised himself and the males in his family.”€ “€œOn that selfsame day, Noah entered the ark.”€ Chapter 7 of Genesis. What is “€œon that selfsame day”€? It sort of sounds like just a political flow of words, like, is it on that day or isn’t it?!

If it’s on that day, I don”€™t need, “€œon that selfsame day”€. Well, the reason is because the Hebrew says- and for those of you who are not yet fully familiar with the Lord’s language, I will translate this- but the Hebrew words are ***. ** means “€œthis day”€. *** adds something. And so the King James translators poetically threw in “€œon that selfsame”€, but what does * actually mean in Hebrew?

“€œOn the Bone of That Day”€

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

When I tell you, you’ll see that we don”€™t blame the translators. They were wrong and inaccurate, but not without reason. The reason was, that when you translate and you’ve got, shall we say, six verses in the Hebrew on a page, you kind of have to get six verses in English on that page. You can”€™t take 11 pages to do the English, but that’s kind of what you need to do because there are many words that don’t translate. And there are words, I could list you half a dozen words in German, **, which doesn’t have an English translation.

Now I can tell you what it means, but it’ll take me three sentences. Every language is like that. The Lord’s language is even more so. And so you’ll see that the translators had little choice because when it said ***, on the what of that day? On the bone of that day.

Excuse me? Yeah, bones. Skeletal bones. On the bone of that day. What?

You don’t understand. Well, think about what a bone really is. The bones are what convert us from jellyfish into human being able to stand erect and look our challenges right in the eye. That’s what a bone does.

Now let’s see when the phrase is used. It’s only used in very specific circumstances. The children of Israel left Egypt on the “€œbone of that day”€. Why the “€œbone of that day”€? Because Egypt had clarified, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that no matter what’s happened to us, if you try and leave this country in defiance of our wishes we will kill you all.

And so when Moses said to everybody, “€œOkay, pack up the dough.”€ Both in its metaphorical and literal meaning, the dough for *, and also the dough for money. “€œPack up everything and we’re leaving right now.”€ A lot of people were frightened. They, “€œCouldn’t we maybe- let’s do it in the nighttime when they won”€™t see us go.”€

Moses says, “€œNo, we’re not going to steal out of here like thieves in the night. We’re going to walk out of here erect, proud, knowing who we are. And we will deal with whatever happens. We we’re doing this.”€ That’s what the “€œbone of that day”€ means.

It Means Conquering Fear

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

It means that there was fear and people conquered the fear on that day by utilizing their spiritual bone. In other words, they eliminated all moral misgiving. When Abraham circumcised himself, that was at a time when people glorified the human body. And any mutilation of the human body was socially entirely unacceptable. And God said to Abraham, “€œIt’s now time to circumcise yourself.”€

Middle of the day. Abraham says, “€œLord it takes me a while to get the caterer organized. We’re going to have a party. How about we do it late tonight?”€ And God said, “€œLook, I understand what you’re saying. You don’t want to be seen or you don’t people to know you’re doing this because you’re violating the social glorification of the human body.”€

Just think of the entertainment industry today. “€œAnd if you circumcise, people are going to attack you.”€ Abraham said, “€œYeah.”€ God says, “€œI want you to do it right now on the bone of this day.”€ And sure enough, on the bone of this day Abraham circumcised himself. He had to look his aggressors and his enemies in the eye.

And then finally, or firstly, Noah. People said to Noah- do you know how long? 120 years he’s building the ark, it takes a long time. One guy building with hand tools, no power. And People said to him all the time, “€œLook, we don’t believe there”€™s going to be rain.”€

“€œWe didn’t believe the sewers are going to back up and that we’re going to have to all float away. No, don’t believe that. But if it ever happens, please don’t think we’ll allow you to survive. If you try and get in your ark, we”€™ll wipe you and your family out. We’re not going to have a situation where we”€™re drowned out and you survive – no way.”€

God says to Noah, “€œTime to gather your families and get in the ark. What does Noah say? You know the line already. “€œLord, how about we do it late tonight? I’ve got a few things left to pack.

God says, “€œNo.”€ *** On the bone of this day, right now. Stand up, look your enemies in the eye, and march ahead. That’s what we’re talking about. That’s what this is all about.

Honorable Opponents a Thing of the Past?

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:

Today we are dealing with an environment in which you used to have political opponents. People would say when they”€™d get up to give a speech, “€œmy honorable opponent”€. And then after the debate, in the legislature, very often you and your honorable opponent might put your arms around each other’s shoulders and go off together for lunch. That’s how it used to be because you had honorable opponents. People who were just as unified as you were in the idea of the social Biblical compact that unites us and the political compact that flows from that.

And you just had different ideas of how to apply that. That’s how it used to be. When Lincoln and Douglas had those magnificent debates, it was honorable on both sides. But now everything is different. You don’t have honorable opponents anymore, you have enemies. Let’s face it, it would be nice if it weren’t that way, but you don’t have people who just want you to lose an election.

You’ve got people who don’t want you to continue existing in any way whatsoever. You’ve got people who want to destroy you.

Bring A Speaker To Your Area


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Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us and special thanks to Rabbi Daniel Lapin as well. We got to the second part so far and have three parts on this presentation from the Pro-Family Legislators Conference.

We’re back with David and Tim. And, guys, so we’ll get the conclusion tomorrow so I know folks are wanting to hear the rest of that, but they”€™ll have to tune in tomorrow on WallBuilders Live to get the rest of it. But great teaching for not just the legislators, but also are our folks listening at home.


Yeah, it good stuff. And I go back and watch the legislators when he was saying this and He talked about how that if you have any moral misgivings, it hinders your ability to be persuasive. With them, trying to pass legislation, when you’ve got moral misgivings or you’ve got moral stuff going on in your life that’s not right, you lose your ability to be persuasive. You have to have moral clarity. I thought that was a really, really, strong point. And it’s one that Christian really need to get a hold of as well and make sure that the moral stuff in their life is right.

It Really Comes Through in the Hebrew


And he was also talking and I loved what he said about “€œin that selfsame day”€. He’s talking about, hey, it finally came time for backbone time, in that day, in the bone of that day, they finally stood up and said, “€œOkay, we’re going to do it different.”€ “€œIn that selfsame day, Noah entered the ark.”€ Okay, Noah got some guts, some courage, moral clarity was there, so he stood up. I thought, “€œBoy, that’s a really good point that we don’t get in the English translations that really comes through well in the Hebrew.”€


Well, even the way he started the program. So certainly, the things you’re pointing out I could echo and go, “€œMan, that really was incredible.”€ Because it was. But even to me, what”€™s so interesting the way he started out on the show today. When Rabbi Lapin points out that when God had the Israelites wandering in the desert for 40 years-




-it was so that a new generation could be raised up. And what he points out is that any time that Biblical concepts are rejected, it’s going to take time and even a new generation to come in and get things right. And especially as we’re looking at our nation and going, “€œOh my goodness, what are we going to do and how are we going to do it?”€

Moral Clarity Is The Key To Persuasion, Everybody Needs A Rabbi


And even it cracks me up thinking about millennials. Because millennials, it seems like they’re the outcast, yet, if you’ve rejected Biblical truth as a culture, the next generation is the best opportunity to restore and recover that. Which even to me makes me think, “€œWell, this is why we have to reach out and try to engage and reach the millennials.”€ Whether we go up Gen X-ers, and Millennials, and Gen Z-ers, wherever you want to go. But just, the interesting thoughts as he’s unfolding his Biblical truth about the way God operated and works and even the way it applies in culture and life today.


Alright, folks. The conclusion will be tomorrow. Rabbi Daniel Lapin, you’ll get the last part of it tomorrow. You don’t want to miss it. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.