Palestinians and President Trump, Foundations of Freedom Thursday: It’s Foundations of Freedom Thursday! While we normally take several questions from our readers, today we’re dealing with one specific question on whether or not President Trump can actually withhold money from the Palestinians. Guest, Mitch Danzig, is on to discuss this with us! Tune in now to learn more!

Air Date: 09/27/2018

Guest: Mitch Danzig

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Intro:

President Thomas Jefferson said, “I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves. And if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.”

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. We always address those from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Tim Barton’s with us, national speaker and pastor, and the president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.

You can find out more about us at WallBuildersLive.com. That’s our radio site. You can get past programs, you can get all kinds of information there.

But then at WallBuilders.com– so, there’s WallBuildersLive.com, that’s the radio site. And then WallBuilders.com, our main site, there’s a lot of great tools there for you to use to educate and inspire yourself, your family, people in your church, your community. Lots of great things you can do there. Get the Constitution class and invite people over to study. Or host a class in your church. Get the Foundations of Freedom program and watch that with your friends and family.

And speaking of foundations of freedom here on the radio program we do that every Thursday. We use this as an opportunity to dive into foundational questions about the application of our Constitution, of that biblical worldview.

And instead of taking questions like we normally do on Thursdays, David, Tim, we’ve got a special guest coming up later in the program, Mitch Danzig, who we’ve had on the program several times to talk about Israeli policies.

Is This Within President Trump’s Authority?

Rick:

And the question that has come up is a question of whether or not President Trump can actually withhold money from the Palestinians. And they get a ton of aid and have gotten a ton of aid from us and he’s saying, “No. No more aid until you stop being bad actors and you start coming to the table in good faith.” What do you guys think about that constitutionally? Is that within his authority to be able to make those decisions?

David:

Yeah, it has been constitutional. He’s had the– the presidents had the authority to do that. Now, sometimes Congress doesn’t like that. And they weighed in back in the 70s. There used to be a practice called impoundment where that Congress would appropriate money and say, “Okay, we’re gonna give this money for the military, and this money for the secretary of state and foreign affairs, and this money for whatever.” And the president would say, “Okay, I’ve got the money, so let’s use part of it over here in this program and part here.”

So, that was that was the prerogative of the president because the Congress appropriates the money, and they can direct that if they want to, and they can give generally where they want.

But then what happened was, and particularly in time of Nixon, and it actually starts back with Thomas Jefferson quite frankly. Jefferson said, “Well, I’ve got this money, but I don’t want to give it to, for example, the Muslim terrorists, the Barbary Powers. We’ve been paying them 15 percent of the budget a year, 10 percent of the budget a year, and I’m not going to do that anymore.” And that’s when you had Tripoli and Algiers say, “Well, we’re declaring war if you’re not going to give us our foreign aid anymore.”  So, Jefferson started that and that went for a number of presidents. And so–

Rick:

Hey, wait a minute, David, so that sounds like a very accurate on target comparison.

David:

It is.

Very Similar Comparison

Rick:

Because that’s very similar to what we’ve been doing with the Palestinians.

David:

That’s exactly it. We’ve been funding people who are bad actors as the Muslim terrorists were in the Barbary Powers War. We were essentially giving them the money they used to operate against us and against our allies.

Rick:

So, Congress had appropriated that money and Jefferson stopped giving it to them.

David:

Jefferson stopped giving it to them and that’s when they declared war.

Rick:

And that’s exactly what’s happening here.

David:

That’s what’s happening. Now, Congress changed some of that in ‘74. They said, “No, no, no, we want to tell you exactly where to put every ounce of money.” So, in ‘74, Congress took a lot of authority away from the president and said, “You can’t decide. We want you spending money where we tell you to spend money.” So, it’s a little more difficult.

But from a constitutional standpoint and from a historical precedent standpoint, absolutely.

And particularly in the case of when you have a bad actor, like the Palestinians, who are making no efforts to try to achieve peace, who don’t want to achieve peace, who want to annihilate Israel. They don’t want a two state solution. They want a one state solution – and that is no Jews and all Palestinians. When you’re dealing with that– and by the way, the PLO is on the active terrorist list. They’re on that list with al Qaeda, and Taliban, and the others. Why are we giving money to terrorists? They’re on the list.

So, for Trump to say, “I’m not going to do this” is a good deal. And by the way, one of the reasons we’re talking to Mitch today is we’ve had something in the news recently, and people have seen it probably in social media, where you have an American Jew in Israel who got attacked and killed by a Palestinian terrorist. But before he died he was able to take that terrorist out with him. So, it’s a very heroic thing that this guy did. But that’s the kind of stuff we’ve been funding. So, this is craziness.

For Those Who Don’t Understand the Historical Background

David:

And by the way for those who don’t understand the historical background of this Palestinian thing, and who they are, and “We’ve got a right to the land”, and “The Israelis and the Jews are the newcomers”. No, no, no, that’s not true.

We mentioned even last week, Rick, that we have a new book out called This Precarious Moment and one of the sections, there are six current issues we deal with, and one is Israel. And it gives you the background of the Palestinians, where they came from. They are not an ancient group, they are a new group. They are not the descendants of the Philistines, they are an Arab group there, they’re very new. The Jews have been in that land 3500 hundred years. These Palestinians have been in it a couple of hundred years and they’re saying, “We own the land. The Jews stole it from us.” No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Jews were there thousands of years before you were.

So, to understand some of the background of this conflict and understand some of the truth that you just don’t hear. So, the common narrative on colleges today is that Israel is the bad guy and the Palestinians are the good guys. That’s not true. That’s what students here and they don’t get the other side of that. So, one of the things we cover in This Precarious Moment is that background, and what is true, and what is factual true, what is historical true, what is current true with stats right now on who’s the bad guy and who’s the good guy. So, there’s a lot there.

But what we see that the president has done with cutting off this funding is the right thing to do given the way that these folks behave, the Palestinians behave, what they do, what their objectives are. So, Mitch Danzig is– he’s got to be one of the the best modern commentators on what goes on. He keeps up with this aspect. He’s an American citizen, he’s also a Jew, he’s also been part of the Israeli Defense Force, he’s seen all this stuff firsthand. He’s from San Diego, he’s an attorney. He does a lot of writing on issues in the Middle East. He’s an expert in that area.

So, with what has recently happened there and with President Trump’s decision to stop funding the Palestinian Authority, no better guy to tell us what’s actually going on than Mitch.

Rick:

Mitch Danzig will be our guest when we come back. And by the way, we’ll have some links today at WallBuildersLive.com to some PragerU videos on the Palestinian state in the Middle East. They’re fantastic – like four minutes, five minutes, very quickly explain a very– what has been a confusing issue especially on college campuses because of the way it’s been presented. It’s not that confusing – it’s actually quite simple. And you can learn that right there at those PragerU videos.

But Mitch is going to help us with it when we come back. Mitch Danzig, our special guest today on WallBuilders Live.

Outro:

Abraham Lincoln said, “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts. Not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

This Precarious Moment Book

David:

This is David Barton. I want to let about a brand new book we have called This Precarious Moment, Six Urgent Steps That Will Save You, Your family, and Our Country. Jim Garlow and I have co-authored this book and we take six issues that are hot in the culture right now.

Issues that we’re dealing with, issues such as immigration, race relations, our relationship with Israel, the rising generation Millennials, and the absence of the church in the culture wars, and where American heritage is, our godly heritage. We look at all six of those issues right now that are under attack and we give you both Biblical and historical perspective on those issues that provide solutions on what each of us can do right now to make a difference.

These are all problems that are solvable if we’ll get involved. So you can grab the book This Precarious Moment and find out what you can do to make a difference. This Precarious Moment is available at WallBuilders.com.

Intro:

Calvin Coolidge said, “The more I study the Constitution, the more I realize that no other document devised by the hand of man has brought so much progress and happiness to humanity. To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.”

Let’s Get Some Background

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. Mitch Danzig is back with us. Always good to have Mitch on. He’s an attorney, he’s someone that actually served as a police officer in New York, also served with the Israeli Defense Forces, was a hand to hand combat instructor for them, and just incredible life experiences. But a great spokesman on the issues of Israel and certainly the Palestinians.

And it looks like Trump has made an announcement that he’s not going to give money to the Palestinians until they make a deal with Israel. And, Mitch, thanks for coming on first of all, and just give us some background on this whole situation. Because it looks to me like we’re getting moral clarity once again from President Trump on who the good actors and the bad actors are. And apparently, a lot of money has been given to the Palestinians without them having to act in good faith.

Mitch Danzig:

We have been giving them aid. Expecting them to become good actors, and expecting them to fight terrorism, and expecting them to make peace, with no strings attached, basically, to get that behavior from them. And over the last 30 years they’ve been, per capita, the largest recipient of aid money in the world. And the United States has been the largest provider of aid money to the Palestinian Authority and to the Palestinians bar none. Far more than any other country.

Rick:

I did not know that. So, they’ve received more money per capita than any other group? Mitch Danzig:

Yes, in fact, the amount of money that the Palestinians who have received aid money since 1948, since the war that they caused along with the other Arab countries that formed the Arab League back in 1948 by attacking Israel. They started a war. They rejected a partition plan. It is always important to know this whenever you hear Palestinians refer to the “Nakba” they call it the disaster, and them becoming refugees, they’re really referring to Israel’s creation, right? But they ignore the fact that they didn’t need to be a Nakba which is Arab for disaster or catastrophe.

All They Had to Say Was “Yes”

Mitch Danzig:

All they had to do was say “yes” to the partition plan. They say yes to the partition plan, then the first ever Palestinian Arab state in the history of the world would have been created in 1948 alongside another Jewish state in the land of Judea. But they said “no” and they started a war. And then refugees were created by that war. And then since then, the Palestinians have received roughly 25 times the amount of money spent on the Marshall Plan after World War II to rebuild Europe.

Rick:

Wow.

Mitch Danzig:

And that’s in real dollars.

Rick:

Wow. Wow. Has anything changed? Have they changed their tune? Have they been willing to come to the table and–

Mitch Danzig:

Arguably they’ve gotten worse.

Rick:

Yeah.

Mitch Danzig:

If you look since 1993, since the Oslo Accords, the United States has given, again, no strings attached, over five billion dollars to the Palestinians – at least. It depends how you count it. Because just in 2016 alone, the last year of the Obama administration, we gave them well north of 700 million dollars. Again, by far the most money any country, including all the oil rich Arab countries, has given the Palestinians and their various government entities and NGOs.  

Republican Administrations Have Done Similar

Rick:

Mitch, I expected that kind of money to come from an Obama administration. But Republican administrations have done similar in the past. So, Trump doing this really surprised me.  I’ve always wanted a president to say, “He, we’re not going to fund terrorism, essentially, here and we’re not going to fund the continued bad faith actors in this situation.” But never had the political will to do that. And now this guy does. Does this surprise you?

Mitch Danzig:

No because it’s– as a lot of what Trump ran on was being not a politician, not being a part of the D.C. establishment.

Rick:

Yeah.

Mitch Danzig:

I think he views himself as a disruptive force in some respects, kind of like disruptive technologies. Like Uber was disruptive to the world of taxis and limousine services.

Rick:

Yeah.

Mitch Danzig:

I think Trump viewed himself that way as well. And I think he looks at money and how we spend money in a different way. And I think his view is, “If I’m paying people for something I should be getting something in return, right. I should be getting an ally in return for the money I spent, I should be getting somebody who listens to me and doesn’t attack me.” So, this is another example of where our money has been going.

And again, you are right, you’re 100 percent right, to point out that this is not just an Obama thing, it’s not just a Democrat thing, the Republican presidents, Republican administrations, Republican controlled Congresses, as well have been responsible for this.

“Pay to Slay”

Mitch Danzig:

But the Palestinian Authority has a “pay for slay” or a “pay to slay” program in place. They spend 400 million dollars a year roughly on rewarding people who murder Jews and others in Israel. 69 American citizens at least, actually as of yesterday it was 70, American citizens at least have been killed by Palestinian Arab terrorists who were paid for their murder, for their heinous acts of terrorism, by the Palestinian Authority government.

RIck:

Wait a minute, Mitch, you’ve got to say that again. Because that right there should be enough for people to not say and not be confused– because a lot of our college kids are completely, they’re coming out of these colleges being pro Palestinian Authority and anti Israel because of all the baloney they’re being taught. That one fact you just said, say it again because that should put this whole thing in context.

Mitch Danzig:

Sure. The Palestinian Authority has what they call their “martyrs fund”. What it really is that they pay to slay program. They spend almost 10 percent of their annual budget on reward payments for people who murder Jews and others in acts of terrorism.

Rick:

And you mentioned–

Pension for Life

Mitch Danzig:

The more people you kill, the more heinous your crime, the more they pay you. If you die in the act of terrorism then the money goes to your family. It’s a pension for life. If you’re sent to jail for committing acts of terrorism and you survived it then, provided that you are sentenced if you’re a male for at least five years in jail, then it’s a pension for life that you get for having committed that act. And again, the more people you killed the higher that pension is.

Rick:

Wow.

Mitch Danzig:

If you’re a woman who gets sentenced to two years in jail for committing an act of terrorism then again it’s a pension for life. And again, the more people that died as a result of your conduct, and were Jews in particular, the more money you make.

Rick:

Unbelievable, unbelievable. And you mentioned American citizens that have been victims of this as well. And you even wrote an article this week, this last week, about one that just happened.

Mitch Danzig:

That’s right. Somebody I know pretty well, I’ve interacted with him a lot in social media and in other forums because he was a zealous advocate for Israel and for the right of the Jewish people to live anywhere in the indigenous homeland of the Jewish people. *Ari Folden, a great man, was killed by a 17 year old boy brainwashed by the Palestinian Authority to hate Jews, to want to murder Jews. He was in a shopping mall looking for Jews to stab and kill and he found he stabbed refold in the back and murdered him. Ari Folden was an American citizen and an Israeli citizen.

And immediately, by the way, the Palestinian Authority provided 3,500 dollars immediately to the family of that murderer. And if he stays in jail for 30 years, the payments that will be in total his family will receive for murdering Ari Folden will be over one and a half million dollars.

Rick:

Unbelievable.

Mitch Danzig:

And just so your listeners have context. What these murderers get from the Palestinian Authority for committing acts of terrorism is at least 5x what a high school teacher would make in the Palestinian Authority.

Setting up a System That Guarantees More Acts

Rick:

So, they’re setting up a system that guarantees more of these acts. But before we move onm you were telling me off air how Ari responded. He’s obviously trained well and a fighter, but how did he respond?

Mitch Danzig:

Yes, Ari Folden died as he lived – a hero. He was a trained paratrooper in his youth. Obviously, he was not a young, super young, guy – he was 45 year old father of four at the time of the attack. But nevertheless, his training and his heart responded as one would expect from somebody like Ari. And after he was fatally stabbed he still fought off his attacker who was trying to stab him again. And then when the attacker gave flight with his knife in his hand, presumably to go try and stab other people, already with a fatal wound in his back chased after him. Then he himself after about a 20 metre sprint took a clean shot and wounded the terrorist and stopped him before he could stab or kill another Jew.

Rick:

Wow. Wow. Ari Folden. Mitch, you’ve got an article on this. We’re going to share that today at WallBuildersLive.com for folks to learn more. But I just cannot– it makes sense as you put this in context and you talk about what they’re doing why Trump would see with moral clarity who the good actors and the bad actors are in this situation. And say, “Look, either either stop what you’re doing and come to the table and make a good deal with Israel that makes sense for all parties. Or forget it – we’re not going to fund these kind of things anymore.” So, I thank God for a president that’s willing to do that.

This has to be good news in Israel. I would think people are responding positively to this.

The Palestinian Authority

Mitch Danzig:

I think overwhelmingly people in Israel understand that the Palestinian Authority is corrupt. Another aspect of this is the utter corruption. Mahmoud Abbas was the president for life. He’s a dictator, he’s the president for life of the Palestinian Authority, has built himself multimillion dollar mansions with this money, he has a private plane. Think about that – the prime minister of Israel, a real country, and a real successful country, with incredible industry and technology, inventors of amazing things, right. He doesn’t have a personal jet.

Rick:

Yeah.

Mitch Danzig:

But the president for life of this banana republic, so to speak, called the Palestinian Authority that doesn’t survive without aid money from the rest of the world, he has his own plane?

Rick:

Wow.

Mitch Danzig:

It’s absurd. And Mahmoud Abbas and his family are super rich as a result of the corruption of being the leaders of the Palestinian Authority. Then on top of that you add the funding that we give to UNRRA, the United Nations refugee organization, that just applies to and is only for Palestinians. UNRRA perpetuates the problem – it doesn’t solve the problem it perpetuates the problem.

Because your listeners probably don’t know that unlike all the other U.N. refugee agencies that are set up to help the refugees throughout the rest of the world, UNRRA has no goal to resettle the Palestinian refugees and it defines Palestinian refugees different than all of the refugees from all other conflicts in the world are defined.

Rick:

Wow. I can’t listen to you and listen to these things and understand how anyone in American government could still support the Palestinian state over Israel. It’s just crazy. But hopefully the tide is turning. Hopefully this president can continue to move us in the right direction on this.

Mitch, I always love your commentary, man. Thank you so much for your time and coming on today, and appreciate you putting the article out as well and we’ll be sure and share that today. But thank you very much for what you do.

Mitch Danzig:

Certainly. Appreciate your time.

Do We Take This for Granted?

Rick:

Mitch Danzik our special guest. Appreciate him coming on and spending time with us. We’re back with David and Tim now. Guys, look, I think maybe we take for granted that people know about this. That’s a lot of money literally being paid directly to terrorists that we have funded by giving so much money to–

David:

Well, think about what just happened with this American Jewish guy that got killed. The pay to slay movement, the Palestinian Authority does this pay to slay, so the guy who killed him who got killed by this heroic Jew, the guy who killed him will now– his family will now get a lifetime pension for having killed this guy–

Rick:

The terrorist’s family.

The terrorist’s family gets a lifetime pension and it’s going to come from American funds. Thank you President Trump for stopping this nonsense. We should not be rewarding people who kill innocent folks on the other side. And especially– we’re not requiring them to do anything for that money. They’re not having to sit down at the peace table. We just keep giving it to them.

And by the way, we’ve got a trip going to Israel and you want to see what it’s like in Israel we can show where the Palestinian Authority folks are. And boy do they live in opulence when the rest of the Palestinians live and abject poverty. There is so much corruption. And what they do with so much of that money that goes to them and their folks. And they do take money to keep the country stirred up – just like these terrorist attacks.

Kudos to President Trump:

David:

This is the kind of stuff that needs to stop and it does not make the American news. American news tends to be very sympathetic toward the Palestinians, very hostile toward the Jews, which is nonsense. But kudos to President Trump for doing the right thing on this.

Rick:

Well, moral clarity. I used that phrase earlier in the interview with Mitch Danzig. And we’ve joked about that that Donald Trump has brought more clear moral clarity to the White House than we’ve seen in a long time. But this is a perfect example. This should not be hard to figure out who the good actors and bad actors are and stop funding the bad actors. But yet it has been. Why haven’t presidents stopped this in the past?

David:

Let me point out something else going on. The good that Trump is doing is being recognized in Israel and the rabbis over there have come up with what they call the Cyrus coin. Cyrus is the one that after Israel had been in the wilderness essentially 70 years, they had been in captivity, Cyrus brought them out and made them a nation again. And they have made this new coin that has the double image of Cyrus and Trump side by side and on the other side is a restored Israel. So, they really see Trump as a huge, huge, ally. And the fact that the rabbis have come out with this coin, we just bought half a dozen of the coins, I love the coin, but that’s not the image you get of Trump here in America.

Rick:

Thanks for joining us today on this WallBuilders Live Foundations of Freedom program. Thanks to Mitch Danzig for being with us and giving us some clarity on these issues, some great inside information as well.

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Palestinians and President Trump, Foundations of Freedom Thursday

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Outro:

Calvin Coolidge said, “The more I study the Constitution, the more I realize that no other document devised by the hand of man has brought so much progress and happiness to humanity. To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.”