Response To The 1619 Project Part 3-Tim Barton At The ProFamily Legislator Conference –Join us for part 3 of Tim Barton’s response to the 1619 project at the ProFamily Legislator Conference. Tune in to be informed and encouraged today!

Air Date: 02/18/2021

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Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It’s WallBuilders Live, we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on the policy, faith and the culture from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. And today that is absolutely the case. The hot topic is the 1619 project. Is America an evil nation? Is our history horrible? Or and put into the context of world history where we find there’s actually a lot of good? We’re going to tell you the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Today, Tim Barton is speaking from the ProFamily Legislators Conference. This is actually the conclusion of the presentation. So if you missed yesterday, or the day before, they’re available at our website right now at Let’s pick up where we left off yesterday. Here’s Tim Barton at the ProFamily Legislators Conference.

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There’s a spy in the camp. We have to find the spy and we needed to kill him. We can’t let the spy go. And James is hearing all this, so as you can imagine the tension in the moment, right? Because you’re a spy, you got to play the game. But you know, if they catch you, your life is on line. Cornwallis tells you officers leave the tent. He says James, you stay behind. What is about to happen, right? Because are you caught, so when all the officers leave, Cornwallis says James, I don’t know who I can trust, but I know there’s a spy. But I know you hate the Americans as much as I do, so I think you’re probably the only one I can trust.

He says James, I need someone that I can trust that can go to the American camp that can get Intel on the Americans to come back and let me know what they’re doing. Would you be my personal spy? Right? James got to play the games. He’s like, oh, I hate the American. Okay, I’ll go. Right? So he pretends to be a spy for the British the whole time he’s actually and real spy for the Americans. In the midst of this, he is the one that found out Cornwallis was going to Yorktown which is where we actually captured Cornwallis.

So this is where the second letter from Lafayette to Washington Lafayette says, remember that spy told you about is the best spy have? He just got word that Cornwallis and all the major officers are going to Yorktown. This could be the moment we’ve been praying for and waiting for. We might be able to end the Revolution right here if we can bottle them up or catch them. Well, they bottle them up and caught them at Yorktown. The reason they did was because of the intelligence of James Armistead. Here’s what’s so significant.

George Washington actually gives credit to the intelligence he got James Armistead for being one of the primary reasons that they were able to end the Revolution as quickly as they did and saving as many lives as they did because of James Armistead. Now, let me also point out, right, a military operations, we do have military intelligence where there’s a lot of spy out kind of stuff that happens that begin with the first double spy in American history, James Armistead. And let me put a little bow on this kind of American Revolution story.

John Adams said the American Revolution began when the first blood was shed during the Boston Massacre. Okay? That’s when the revolution began. Well, who was the guy who was the first bloodshed in the Boston Massacre? Crispus Attucks. Let me just go out of revelation for you. The American Revolution arguably began with the death of a black man, and arguably was one because of the intelligence of a black man. There’s no way you can even tell the story of America correctly without including the black patriots that helped America to be possible. Right? This is huge.

Now, why don’t we know that today? Right? Enter Woodrow Wilson. Here’s the bottom line. He came up with a new history series. 1902, it led from him going from Professor to being the President of Princeton, and then it became the President of the United States. His history books became the basis of all of the progressive education for history and public schools in America. So it was based on Woodrow Wilson’s take of history.

Woodrow Wilson was an extreme racist, if you don’t know. He hated black people. Actually, under Woodrow Wilson, the first film ever shown in the White House was “Birth of a Nation” which was a recruiting film for the KKK. Under Woodrow Wilson, his own administration marched with the KKK in the streets of DC. Okay. Like this dude is really, really, really bad. Well, in his history book, it was the first considered comprehensive history book like from Columbus up to present day.

In his history book, he decides that the only people worthy of attention are the white people, and so he removed every black hero in American history. Even in the Civil War, he doesn’t even mention Frederick Douglass. Okay? Which is kind of weird to think about. There’s no [inaudible 04:53] fourth. There’s no Frederick Douglass. There’s no abolition movement. Like the whole thing he glosses over. Except there is one time he shows one picture of black people. This is the picture he shows and it’s not the most honest or flattering picture. Okay? You can draw your own conclusions.

But the conclusion I would draw is it reminds me, this just me, reminds me of like that Neanderthal thoughts, like from goo to you the stage of evolution, this reminds me of like one of the stages of evolution. Well, where would he get an idea like that? Let me point out at that time, the academically and scientifically embraced position of racism was that the white man is more evolved than the black man. The scientifically embraced position, in fact, if you remember origin of species, by means of natural selection, actually, look what it says underneath it. “Preservation of favored races and the struggle for life.” Darwin believed in favorite races. He had a following subsequent book called “The descent of Man”, where he says multiple times, the darker your skin is the less evolved you are.” That was a position of many academics, and many scientists at the time, which is maybe just one more example of reasons we shouldn’t always trust the academics or Dr. Fauci, I mean, the scientists, right, don’t always trust what those guys say.


Alright, friends, quick break, Tim Barton is speaking at the ProFamily Legislators Conference, we’ll be right back and pick up right where we left off.


Hey, guys, we want to let you know about a new resource we have at WallBuilders called “The American Story”. For so many years, people have asked us to do a history book to help tell more of the story that’s just not known or not told today. And we would say very providentially, in the midst of all of the new attacks coming out against America, whether it be from things like the 1619 project that say America is evil and everything in America was built off slavery, which is certainly not true or things like even the Black Lives Matter movement, the organization itself, not out of statement, Black Lives Matter, but the organization that says we’re against everything that America was built on, and this is part of the Marxist ideology. There’s so many things attacking America.

Well, is America worth defending? What is the true story of America? We actually have written and told that story. Starting with Christopher Columbus, going roughly through Abraham Lincoln, we tell the story of America, not as the story of a perfect nation or a perfect people, but the story of how God used these imperfect people and did great things through this nation. It’s a story you want to check out, “The American Story”.


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This notion that there’s favored racist, so where is Woodrow Wilson getting his ideas that maybe the black man is not fully equal to the white man? This is exactly what Darwin argued and many of what… And by the way, in an era when we’re saying anybody who’s racist has to be torn down and gone. How is Darwin still in our schools? Right. I mean, if we’re going to talk about it, this dude was an absolute racist guy but this was the influence of Woodrow Wilson.

And this is where again, let me remind you of George Orwell’s 1984. His quote was, “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” And this is the big deal. Whoever is in charge right now of the education system controls what everybody learns about our past. And what you think about our past will determine what you think we should do in the future. And this is the battle we are seeing right now. And so I want to give you a kind of a basic walkaway thought because the modern view of racism is generally that is white people oppressing black people. That’s the modern view. Okay? This is why we have this notion that if you’re white, you have this privilege.

And by the way, let me tell you, the biggest privilege you will ever have in America is growing up in a home with a mother and father. Statistically true. Okay. Statistically true. That’s not a racist statement. Statistically true. In fact, according to the Brookings Institute, if you want to be economically successful in life, the three things you need to do, graduate in high school, get a job and don’t have kids before marriage, regardless of the color of your skin or ethnicity. If you will do those three things, 99% of people that do those things get out of poverty in their life.

So the privilege that generally we were referred to in America is not inherently a white privilege, because I’ve traveled all over the nation and I’ve seen a lot of trailer parks, and they weren’t black. Right? This is not a fundamentally just white, black or white privilege thing, but not to digress, let me move on. Okay. One of the problems is a relationship between black and whites today has much to do with the historical view of slavery.

Our historical perspective has been largely skewed from some of what is true. So I just want to give you, as we finish, I’m going to give you eight things that you need to know about history with slavery and racism, eight important facts and then one thought as we wrap this up. So number one thing you need to know, is that slavery was barbaric and inhumane. Now, largely we’re referring to chattel slavery, right? When you are taking people, kidnapping, capturing, selling them for your end and your purposes, right for what’s going on there. Man, there was so much inhumanity. There was so much brutality. There was so much torture. So many bad things happen.

So understand, big picture. Slavery is not something we are defending. Okay? Slavery is a bad thing. But also let me point out, most of slavery that we talked about today, it’s linked with racism, right? Because actually, it’s racist. Okay, let’s talk about that for a second. Because I would argue racism is a sin. Okay. But knowing that racism is a sin, who does sin impact? Just the white people or like everybody? This is what we’ve lost.

See, the notion is that because of the sin, it impacts every single people group. Right? Imagine how racist is it to be like, you know what, only people from Ireland deal with pride. Well, that’s dumb and inaccurate, right? Well, only women gossip. Let me tell you like, anytime you start saying these stupid things, you’re just making yourself stupid. But that’s what happens. People are saying stupid things and we’re embracing and believing things that actually are very stupid. Okay.

The notion of the Hutus and the Tutsis, not that long ago, they took machetes. And in the course of just days, butchered hundreds of thousands of people. Why? Because they don’t look like we look. Racism is not just a white issue. This is a human nature, is sin problem. Because it’s sinful, it affects everybody. And that’s why slavery still exists in the world today. There’s all kinds of forms of slavery. It’s estimated, there’s more than 40 million people that are enslaved in the world today. There’s more people in slavery today than at the height of the North Atlantic slave trade. Okay? So slavery is bad. It was bad back then, it is bad now. This is something we still should be active and opposing. And I think some of this, right, is maybe intuitive for us. But let me give you another thought.

Okay, number two thing you need to know, is that America was not a world leader in the global slave trade. I think my dad mentioned this on Thursday nights. Okay. So some of this one point is going to be reviewed just a little bit. Okay. We were not a leader in the global slave trade. If you look at the African slave trade, lasted for just under 400 years, 12.7 million slaves came out of Africa. But they’ve actually documented where those slaves went when they left Africa.

And when those slaves left Africa, what they discovered was 43% went to Portugal and Brazil, or their holdings, 24% went to Great Britain, 15% went to Spain, 11% went to France, 5% were to the Dutch, 2.5% went to the United States, and 1% went to Denmark. Okay. So Senator Tim Kaine, America did not create slavery. In fact, we participated in something that was very evil. But we weren’t even the leader of that evil. Right? With 2.5%, okay, again, I’m not defending America’s position here because I think this was a very bad thing for us to do. It was sinful, evil and wicked, what happened, and for a lot of the context. Okay, now, there’s a lot more context.

But if we’re going to say America is the great evil, which is what the 1619 project largely argues, is that America was a number one perpetuator of slavery. That’s just not historically accurate at all. I have never heard anybody talk about Portugal or Brazil, ever in terms of slavery, and they were the leader of taking slaves out of Africa. But let me go even further. Because all nations there were slavery, if you look at the time of the Founding Fathers, what nation had ended slavery? None.


Hey, friends, got to take a quick break here that you’ve been listening to Tim Barton, he’s speaking at the ProFamily Legislators Conference with a response to the 1619 project. We’ll be right back in a moment.


Hi, friends, this is Tim Barton of WallBuilders. This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. And I know oftentimes for parents, we’re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

And if you remember back to the Bible, to the book of Hebrews, it has the faith Hall of Fame where they outline the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans, we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes, not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.

I want to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called The Courageous Leaders collection. And this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers. And there’s a second collection called Heroes of History. In this collection, you’ll read about people like Benjamin Franklin or Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman. Friends, the list goes on and on.

This is a great collection for your young person to have and read and it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at That’s


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Every nation had slavery in their nation at that time, and America, right, was participating in something everybody else was doing. But let me also give context, because America then became the first nation in the history of the world to ban the slave trade. March 2nd 1807, Thomas Jefferson signed that law. America became the fourth nation to ban slavery. There was 128 nations in the world that time, America was the fourth nation in 1865 to ban slavery. And it goes even further.

Because if you look today, the argument is, America’s really bad because we didn’t end slavery till 1865. You understand that today, obviously, not only to slavery still exists, there are still 94 nations in the world today that have not even passed laws criminalizing slavery. That’s the only reason slavery still exists, is because in many nations, actually, in Africa, there’s 9.2 million slaves today in Africa. Like this stuff still happens in the world. And again, I’m not saying America didn’t do bad because we did. But let’s still have context.

Because we were one of the very first nations to correct that bad, where other nations are still embracing that bad. And even today, when you look at the map of where slavery exists, and how bad it is today, if you look at the global, they actually identify the people doing the most to fight slavery today, the number one nation is the Netherlands, America is a number two nation in the world opposing slavery. America is doing more right now than arguably anywhere else in the world to oppose slavery. But yet, we’re still saying America is one of the most racist nations of the world. It doesn’t make sense if you actually know what America is doing, and even what America did or stopped in the past.

The third thing you need to know is the history of Jamestown. Now the first thing I mentioned was that when this first shipload of slaves arrived, they were made indentured servants. Now, maybe conditions are really bad for those seven years, that could be true. At the end of those seven years, they then got their freedom. One of the guys who got his freedom and was actually believed to be one of the indentured servants was a guy named Anthony Johnson. Anthony Johnson was a black man. Anthony Johnson then became a landowner. Anthony Johnson, as a landowner began to indentured servers to come and work for him.

There was a black man who worked for Anthony Johnson, who Anthony Johnson said is the laziest man I’ve ever had worked for me. And he went to court and said, I know he worked for me for seven years, but I did not get my money’s worth out of him for seven years, it would take the rest of this man’s life for me to get what I need from this man. And the court agreed and said you can have him for life. This was the first court decision in our nation that said, one man could own another man for life. And it was a black man owning another black man. That is where chattel slavery first became legalized in America.

And if you even go forward, in the 1830s, okay, a guy named Carter Woodson, known as the father of black history or Black History Month, he went back to the 1830 census. And from the 1830 census, he identified that not only did free blacks in America own slaves, but that 43% of the free blacks in South Carolina owned slaves, 40% of the free blacks in Louisiana owned slaves, 26% of the free blacks in Mississippi owned slaves, 25% in Alabama, 20% in Georgia. This is from 1830 census.

Now, again, I’m just giving context, but the context that we should get is that slavery was a human condition. It was not simply a white-Anglo condition. Right? This was an evil that because of it’s a sinful thing, it infects lots of people, and not only was it a black and white thing in America. If you look at native tribes, okay, one of the things that you can see even going back and looking at the early pictures, if you look at those pictures, there might be some things in the picture that doesn’t seem like it fits with a negative picture. Because if you go to the census of 1860, one of the things that was discovered, is that Native Americans, one out of every eight individuals that were part of the major tribes in the 1860s was a black slave to that native tribe.

In fact, by percentage, Native Americans had a higher percentage of black slaves than anybody else. So again, this is not just a context of a white or a black, this is a people. It’s all of humanity. But this isn’t even necessarily that weird or bizarre for people groups. Because for the history of the world, people have been enslaving other people. Natives have been enslaving each other since they were ever on American soil. Right? This notion that all natives were just peaceful, wonderful people and they just paint with the colors of the wind, like Disney was portrayed that a bit, okay. Because they were conquering, warring people and Native American slavery even lasted longer than African American slavery because they were in their own nations and they could do that.

 Number six, real quick, we’re almost done. Number six, is white slavery in America. Most people don’t realize this. Now, it was a small percentage. That’s true. But white people were enslaved in America. And there are pictures of people when slavery was entered. And you notice at the top, it says emancipated slaves right up here, those are slaves that were emancipated under Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation. There were white slaves in America too. Because again, slavery was a human condition, not just a white on black condition. And some of the biggest perpetuators, and really, leaders in this were some of the Muslim slave traders from North Africa. They’re the ones promoting and doing.

And even in the midst of this, as America’s fighting to end slavery, the Muslims were not fighting to end slavery. During the time of, kind of the founding of America, what is true is that the Muslims were really targeting anybody who was not Muslim. But one of their primary targets were Christians. And during the time of early America, the Muslims took 1.25 million white people into Africa, which is more than any of the black slaves that came out of Africa to America. Okay. But this was from Muslim slave traders at North Africa.

And the last thing I’ll point out that’s important for context is that we often hear how racist is the southwest and southern whites in slavery, it is worth noting 92% of American households at the time of the civil war did not own slaves. The vast majority of Americans never had slaves. So one of the arguments today is that all white people are bad because all their ancestors had slaves. That’s not even historically possible. And how do you know, by the way, that I wasn’t related to William Wilberforce? Right? Like, maybe my people were the good people. How do we know that? This is what’s so silly as we make baseless accusations.

And when people don’t know the truth about history, these things get much more substance and really credibility than they should. But slavery is about a primary color. Racism affects all people. And those are eight important things you need to know.


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Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. It’s time for the conclusion of Tim Barton’s presentation on the 1619 project. He did this at the ProFamily Legislators Conference just a few weeks ago. The first two parts of the program are available on our website right now, today is the conclusion. Even if you tuned in the middle of the day, all three parts available at Let’s jump in and get the conclusion from Tim Barton.

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Now, here’s the conclusion that I want you to walk away with and I’m going to talk about the piece paper [inaudible 23:12]. So two things. Slavery has affected all races. Every single people, group at some point in their history were enslaved, and at some point enslave somebody else. So no people group has not been a part of this great evil at some point. But here’s where America is different and here’s where if you’re taking notes, you need to write this down.

Slavery in America, actually, legal opposition to slavery happened in America before anywhere else in the world. So America started fighting slavery before anywhere else in the world. America paid a higher price in ending slavery than anywhere else in the world. Because right, arguably the civil war, all the lives lost in the Civil War. In slavery. So we started earlier, we paid a higher price. And even today, we do more to oppose slavery than anybody else in the world. So we started earlier, we paid a higher price, and we’re still doing more today.

So America certainly was part of a great evil. Certainly, that is part of our story. Certainly, that’s part of our history. But also part of our history is the fact that we corrected it before anybody else in the world. And we’re still doing more today to stop this evil than anybody else in the world. On top of the fact, I will also point out that America never would have become America was not for the impact and influence of some of the black patriots in America. And we still have hundreds of historic black heroes that are not being taught today and that is where this paper comes into effect. You guys were given this.

There are three pages of black heroes, black names, and some data, and then there are three pages of footnotes. Because every one of those are things that are fairly easily historically identified. What we are going to encourage is that in your states, as a lot of people, State Board of Education, they want to embrace 1619. We would encourage you pass a resolution that you do legislation promoting that we learn, if they say we want to learn 1619, okay, well, let’s make sure we also learn, and you can counter. The Bible says you overcome, right, the evil with the good.

If we learned so much of the good, right, that America started earlier, that America didn’t pay the higher price and does more today, if we learn that, it would counter a lot of the negative that we are hearing. And so if we can’t stop 1619 all together, which would be the best thing to do, you need to pass resolutions or work on legislation, or maybe curriculum standards, right, your standards for your state’s educational standards on those resolutions that are handed out. Those are things for you to be able to utilize in your state. Because the 1619 is only making so much ground because nobody knows the truth. That’s the only reason.

Jesus said you would know the truth, and the truth will set you free. If more Americans knew this truth, we would be freed from the lies of not only what these professors are telling us, but also that’s encouraging a lot of the spiritual destruction in America.


Alright, friends, that was Tim Barton speaking in response to the 1619 project. That entire presentation, as I said earlier, is available on our website at It began on Wednesday of this week, the middle part on Thursday, and today the conclusion. You can get all three parts at We would appreciate you sharing those with your friends and family. I sat in the back of the room when he gave this presentation with my jaw on the ground. I mean just phenomenal information. It is so powerful, and it needs to be shared with your friends and family. We hope you’ll grab those programs today at and do exactly that.

Thanks so much for listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.