Persecuted Christians Around The Globe Are Being Saved Through The Nazarene Fund: Later in the program, Rudy Atallah will be with us. We’ll be talking about The Nazarene Fund and some of the things happening around the world. Here at WallBuilders, we don’t just look away at what’s happening in the U.S. we look at what’s happening across the planet. As Christians and citizens of the U.S., we need to remember our brothers and sisters around the world that are being persecuted.

Air Date: 10/10/2018

Guest: Rudy Atallah

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Later in the program, Rudy Atallah will be with us. We’ll be talking about The Nazarene Fund and some of the things happening around the world. Here at WallBuilders we don’t just look at what’s happening in the U.S., we look at what’s happening across the planet.

Of course, David, Tim, one of the things as Christians, not just as citizens of the U.S., we need to be paying attention to those things, but as Christians paying attention to our brothers and sisters around the world that are being persecuted.

Remember Those in Bonds


Yeah, the Bible specifically says to remember those that are in bonds. Remember the other fellow Christians were told in Galatians, “€œWe are to do good to all people, but especially those of the Household of Faith.”€

So the Bible does say to really pay attention to those from your own family. Pay attention to other Christians. Pay attention to whether they have need. We are to pay attention to whether they need food, whether they need clothing, to those that are being persecuted, so that is a biblical command that we have.

Over the last several months, we’ve mentioned persecution of Christians because it’s really been in the news. ISIS has done some of that, but now ISIS has kind of been crushed somewhat, about 80 percent crushed in Syria.

You still have the civil war going on, but ISIS has moved in other places. They”€™ve moved more toward the islands, the Philippines and Indonesia, and they’ve moved into Northern Africa. They’re popping up with the same kind of brutality now in other areas, no longer in the Middle East, that we really focus on so much.

Greatest Persecution in Christian History

If you’re going to remember those that are in bonds, which the scripture tells us, you’ve got to look across the world right now because there are more Christians being killed today than at any point in the history of Christianity, including the major persecutions under Roman leaders like Nero and others.

There’s more being killed right now, and in many ways we’re really more unaware of what’s going on right now, especially since the Middle East is no longer in there.

Not seeing the beheadings that were on the news for a while doesn’t mean they’re not going on. We’re just not seeing them. It’s a good thing to remember.


I think it’s also worth noting that so often today if we did not see it on our social media page, if we didn’t see it somewhere headlining on Fox or CNN or whatever outlet that people are watching, it doesn’t feel real for us. We do forget. Even though we are so connected as a world that you can see what people are doing in China, and India, and Japan, and Germany, and Poland, and you are so connected you feel like, “€œWell, I didn’t see that happening.”€

It’s Amazing How Easy it is to be Ignorant

It’s amazing how easy it is to be ignorant of something that is very prevalent, because we’re not seeing it in front of us, when we’re used to seeing all the major things that are put in front of us.

The media has so shaped what we think is important and significant because they’re showing us, “€œWatch this. This is important.”€

We’re used to seeing that those things immediately in front of us are the important ones. We forget there’s so much more happening in the world, that so often the media doesn’t report on, that so often isn’t on somebody’s social media page.

And yet it is absolutely significant for us as Christians to take note of—as you were mentioning—to be ready to help those people in need, especially when they are Christian brothers and sisters around the world.


Yeah, and this is something that cost us. When it was in the news, and everybody was seeing it, there was this outcry.

Because, Tim, as you point out, it’s kind of what the media shows us. But there was a time when the media was showing us this, and some people said, “€œOh, we’ve got to do something. We’ve got to stand up to this.”€

The Nazarene Fund Has Raised 20 Million Dollars

At that point in time is when the Nazarene Fund was founded, and it’s called the Nazarene fund because the Mark of the Nazarene is what ISIS would put on the houses of Christians. As they would go through, and as they were taking land in Syria, if they found a Christian lived there, they put the Mark of the Nazarene on that house and that told the ISIS army, when they got there, to kill these people and kill them brutally. That’s where we said, “€œLet’s start the Nazarene Fund.”€

At this point we have, over the last couple of years, raised over 20 million dollars.

We’ve been able to physically move tens of thousands of people out of the Middle East. And now that it’s no longer news, and the news says, “€œWell this is old news. Everybody knows about ISIS, and everybody knows about Christians being killed, and no big deal.”€

But that doesn’t mean the issue’s gone away.

The issue is still very much there.

Meet Rudy Atallah

Rudy Atallah is the guy who’s really the chief executive officer for force at the Nazarene Fund. He really runs the stuff, and he was actually designated by the Trump Administration as being the chief intelligence guy for all of Africa and all the Middle East.

He is so connected and on the ground, Special Forces kind of guy for years, has dealt with—even movies out about the Somalian pirates. He’s the guy with Captain Phillips who was called in to take down the pirates.

So he’s really well-connected, just quite a hero in his own way. But he grew up in the middle of civil war, Lebanon’s civil war. When he was 12-13 years old, he was fighting in that civil war in Lebanon. So he has a real background of seeing the instability in the Middle East, and that’s why he was designated as such a high ranking intelligence officer.

So when it comes to things going on, and where the hotspots are, Rudy is the guy we go to. He really is connected in this stuff.


Quick break. We’ll be right back with Rudy Atallah, our special guest. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Welcome Rudy


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live and thanks for staying with us.

Our good friend Rudy Atallah is back with us. He’s actually CEO of the Nazarene Fund and just does incredible work all around the world. We’ve had him on the program a few times to talk about how you can help. We’ve asked him to come on and give us an update of what’s happening out there.

Rudy, always good to have you man. Thanks for your good work.


Thank you so, so much for having me on.


David had said you guys have been talking, and there’s so much happening that we’re not seeing in the news.

He said, “€œLet’s get Rudy on and just get some of this behind the scenes take, and even some of the responses right now in Israel to what President Trump has been doing, some of the things you guys have been able to accomplish with the Nazarene Fund.”€

Man, we just kind of open it up to you. Anything that you’d like to cover today.

The Lebanese Plight


Sure. Yeah, actually one big thing is, about a months ago, there was a plea to the U.N. to focus on the persecuted Christians not only in the Middle East, but around the world. One thing we’re seeing from our work, is that Christians are being left by the wayside. Perfect example: about 3-4 weeks ago there was a visit in Washington D.C. by a man named Father Cassaji. He lives in Lebanon, and he is the Archbishop for the Christian Chaldean church, which are Iraqi Christians.

There are 3,500 of them living currently in Lebanon. For your listeners who are not familiar with the geography, Lebanon is just north of Israel. The population of Lebanon is about 4.5 million people. About 30 percent of all of Lebanon are Christians.

But you have close to two million refugees, and out of those refugees, many of them are Syrians, you also have some Iraqis, and those Chaldean Christians came in. They don’t get any support from the Lebanese government or the U.N.

So Father Cassaji has 3,500 starving Christians in need of medical attention that don’t get any support from anybody on the outside.

Many of these families resort to sending some of their young daughters into prostitution so they can get enough money to just buy some some basic living things, things to survive by, like bread and whatnot.

Christian Land is Being Taken

It’s not only happening in Lebanon. Syrian Christians are being displaced in Syria, and Iraq, and now in Turkey close to the Syrian border under President Erdogan, old monasteries are being confiscated.

One monastery that belongs to the Syriac Orthodox Church, was taken away from them by Turkish government claiming that this monastary—which is 1,300 years old—claiming that there was a mosque built on that land they confiscated. The thing is, Islam came way after Christianity. They’re still making these false claims, and they’re just taking away land from Christians, and many of them are being displaced. So I call attention to this to say that we need to step up as believers and try to help our brothers and sisters out there that are struggling.


What is the—you know Nazarene Fund does so many different things when it comes to those kind of things—it’s such a huge problem, and some people may wonder how much of a difference you can make. Where do you take a bite at the apple? What are some of the specific areas you’re diving into to help in those regions?


That’s a great question.

What we tried to do is look for the ones that are in dire need, that need immediate attention. In many cases some of them were pulled into sex slavery, or were being targeted for organ harvesting. In addition to that, we supply food where it’s needed. We try to move refugees out of harm’s way, and in the case of Syria and Iraq, we try to find homes for them in other places like the Nineveh Plains.

What Does the Nazarene Fund Do Exactly?

We’ve built—rebuilt—some of the Christian homes in the Nineveh Plains, because many of them want to hold their ground and not leave. So we look at it, and in the various areas on the border between Israel and Syria, we helped another Christian organization that was working with a lot of wounded Syrians to help them stabilize when they’re wounded, and there are no hospitals.

We go in there and try to help them with their doctors and nurses to try and help people that just need support.

So we look at all of these areas, but in the case of Father Cassaji that I just mentioned a little bit ago, we’re going to travel to Lebanon in a couple of months and see if we can help them with potential construction of a hospital, schools, and then try to see where we can invest the money best just to support these Christian communities.


When you get the funds to do something like that, that”€™s coming in from donors all over the U.S. that donate to the Nazarene Fund to even make that possible. That’s one way people that hear the stories of what’s happening in the Middle East and across the world.

They say, “€œThere’s nothing I can do.”€

But there is.

How Can You Help?

You can help fund these efforts that literally save lives, and of course, Rudy, you see it firsthand. You and your team go in and you see the impact it makes in lives, and folks at home right now may not ever look into the eyes of that girl that gets saved, or whoever that individual is, but they can know that they’re coming alongside you when they make that donation to the Nazarene Fund. It’s helping you to do all of these activities that you’re engaged in.


That’s absolutely correct.

For your listeners, I was a product of the Lebanese civil war during the 70s and 80s and I came to the states.

My mother’s American, my father’s Christian Lebanese, so I moved to the states in the early 80s.

And here I am. I’ve served a tour with the U.S. military, and now I’m trying to seed back into those communities where I came from. So these lives that we’re saving today could, in the future of course, have an impact on their populations and the Middle East. We don’t want to lose those old Judeo-Christian sites and that old heritage. That’s where we came from. All of us as Christians. So that’s why that support is so needed.


Right now the best place to go is to is directly to the Nazarene Fund website and we’ll have links today at

What is the U.S Doing?

But even in terms of what you’re hearing over there, and as you talk to people, the actions that Trump has been taking seemed to me to be a higher level of of moral clarity. Just his being willing to say who the good guys and the bad guys are, more than any president in my lifetime, including my favorite president of my lifetime, President Reagan. He has unequivocally said we’re not going to fund the bad actors anymore. What’s the response over there right now?


Well, from two sides. From the Israeli side, they are over the moon.

They’re so happy, and want Trump to stay in office for another four years. That includes myself.

Now, when you talk to Middle Easterners, it depends on which side of the fence. For the first time they’re saying, “€œOK. Now you have a president who is willing to take action and a President who’s unafraid to face the real enemy.”€

In many circles, people, even though they would disagree with some of his policies, are super happy that Trump is at least taking action in an area where there was inaction for many, many years. It’s making a difference. Right now the pressure on Iran has been significant, and Hezbollah is not very happy.

You’re starting to see those fissures across the Middle East. So yeah, President Trump is doing a phenomenal job and I just hope that we can all be out there, supporting him and the agenda that he’s pushing.

The UN is Not Helping


One other thing, Rudy, before I let you go, is on the Christian genocide in Iraq and Syria. David had been talking about the United Nations Human Rights Council. In the session they just had there last month, is there getting to be more recognition of what’s happening, or do you think it’s still glossed over?


No, unfortunately it’s not. It’s glossed over, and we have to keep pushing in this arena. Right now, in the last year and some change, there has been over 380,000 people killed in South Sudan. Those are primarily Christians.

Now we’ve got attacks on Christians in Cameroon, we’ve got attacks on Christians in Burma, we’ve got attacks on Christians all over the world. It’s happening constantly.

Look at our country, we’re so divided. You say Jesus, everybody you know that doesn’t believe turns and looks at you like you like you’re an alien. So Christians are being attacked everywhere, and the U.N. is very slow to respond to that.

The minute the U.N. says, “€œYes, it’s a genocide against Christianity.”€ then you’ll see that the U.N. will start seeding, or feeding some of these people that are persecuted. But for now, it’s not happening. There’s a constant push to get them to recognize, but at least we’re trying to elevate the subject.

Our Responsibility as Christians


Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Well man, there’s some more to cover than there is time to cover it. What would you say to our listeners today about our responsibility as Christians in the US, that have it so good? How can we pay attention and speak about these things, and to donate to, and look for ways to help educate and get people engaged in saving our brothers and sisters around the world?


Absolutely. Every little bit counts, and even going out and voting helps. Sharing the Gospel and praying for these persecuted people around the world. You want to make a donation? Make a donation. But just be proactive, don’t sit there and let it happen, be part of what we are, all brothers and sisters. We all have to unite together as one big family.


Amen, amen. Keep up the great work, Colonel, we appreciate you very much. Appreciate you coming on and keeping us updated.

Look forward to the next time we have you on. Thank you so much. God bless. Stay with us folks, we’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Nazarene Fund is Reliable


Welcome back, thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks to Rudy Atallah for joining us today as well.

Be sure to check out the Nazarene Fund today, we”€™ll have links to that as well so that you can be a part of that.

Back with David and Tim, y’all are obviously closer to this and get to hear a lot of those behind the scenes conversations, some of these secret missions or different things going on.

People just need to know this is not one of these deals where you just donate and you don’t know if anything’s happening. There’s real lives being saved. You couldn’t make more of a difference, right? That’s a real, on the ground difference that you’re making with these contributions.


Yeah. And the money that people give, it actually reaches the intended target, which is one of the things with a lot of charities. They don’t always do a good job of taking the money you give and utilizing it to benefit the most people toward that intended purpose. Nazarene Fund does a phenomenal job of taking all the money that comes in, and making sure it goes directly to helping those people to funding these missions. This is not something that guys are coming, joining, and getting wealthy, and these executives are making money and driving these nice cars.

It’s not that at all.

They literally are going and saving lives in the midst of what they do, and I really appreciate it also when Rudy is giving us a little geography lesson along the way.

This is just north of Israel.

These Lands are the Cradle of Christianity

I was reminded how bad my biblical geography is. Sometimes we forget that some of these nations, that are now recognized as Muslim nations, are exactly where the Christian faith was born, and where so much happened with Paul or Peter, or where Jesus was, it’s easy to forget because we don’t see those things.

These Muslim nations, they aren’t highlighted. They’re not talked about. People don’t travel to experience a lot of those places necessarily. Maybe there are some trips there, but we just don’t know, remember, or even recognize the significance of some of these places, and what’s happened or taken place, or why it even matters that there have been Christians there and now they’re being chased away.


It’s significant that in this area, as Rudy attested to, there are people who don’t want to leave that area. Their homes were wiped out by ISIS, but they don’t want to leave, and it’s interesting talking to them.

Do you know why they don’t want to leave? It really is a remarkable courage they have. They said, “€œLook, this is the cradle of Christianity. We don’t want Christianity to be driven out of the Middle East. It’s tough on us, rough on us, and dangerous for us. But Christianity needs to keep a presence here.”€

And so while a number of these people have fled to other countries, and we’ve helped move them to other countries if they want to move away, there’s a lot that want to stay because they don’t want to lose that.

These Lands are a Deep Part of Our Christian Heritage

We’re talking about—they speak Aramaic, that is the language Jesus spoke in the New Testament, it was Aramaic. This is the cradle of Christianity. I thought the story that Rudy told was pretty amazing, and the way they’re going and trying to take the Christian lands and Christian possessions”€¦ Tim, you mentioned that you know Muslims come into the land, but this is not the land of the Muslims.

Then Rudy says, “€œYeah, there’s this Christian monastery, 1,500 years old,”€ and the Muslims said, “€œWell it’s on the site of a mosque, so we want that land.”€

Now, Islam’s only 1,400 years old. If the monastery has been there for 1,500 years, I don’t think it was built on the site of a mosque. But that part doesn’t matter. They just want the Christian lands.

So, it is a significant thing that they’re doing to stay there courageously and keep their homes there so that we can rebuild.

And Tim, you’re right. The money given when people contribute to the Nazarene Fund does not go to the people who operate the fund. It goes to the people on the ground that need the help, whether they want to live there or whether they want to get away from the danger, we help them do both.


Stay with us, folks, we”€™ll be right back. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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$67 in Donations Would Save a Life


Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks to Rudy Atallah, our guest earlier in the program. If you missed that you can pick it up right now on

David, Tim?


Tim was talking about the money and resources that come in. Let me point out that we are able to save a Christian, to save a persecuted minority. $67 dollars a person is what we have the cost down to now. We’re able to move them out and get them to safety. Sixty-seven bucks a person. If we have to rebuild a church, or if we have to rebuild homes, it’s a little more than that.

But again, the money does not go in the pockets of those who operate this. We made the pledge when we started this that the money that we received is going all down range. We have separate fundraisers to pay the administrative fees and the staff, etc.

So 67 bucks a person, and that’s literally saving, physically, the lives of people. So it’s a good investment. And this is going back to where we started.

The Bible says to remember those bonds. This is a way of doing that. Nazarene Fund, you go to and you can contribute there. This is a good, good place to invest money and help Christians.

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