Good News From Polls-Actor Bridges Gap Between Police And Citizens And More – Join us today for some good news! Tyler Perry is on a mission to bring peace to the community, good news from polls, and more!

Air Date: 08/21/2020

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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We’re going to be talking about some good news today. We’re going to be getting that good news from David Barton, he’s America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders, from Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders and I’m Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach. You can find out more about us at our two websites, and Both websites, a wealth of information. And don’t worry, as long as you remember one of them, you can hop back and forth between the two right there on the homepage of either site.

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Good News Friday is always a great day of the week. It’s an opportunity for us to hear from David and Tim on some of these good news stories that have just been ignored by the media. So, let’s dive into some of that good news. David Barton is going to start us. David.


Okay, I’m going to jump into obviously what’s happening to culture right now, with the cancelling and the riots and the protesters and statues and everything else coming down. For me, I would say that in watching the news, the tone has been fairly negative over the last several weeks. There’s not been a whole lot of really uplifting kind of stuff and I see a nation very much divided. I see a lot of violence coming with protesters and counter protesters. And even one of our friends, pastor in California, he went ahead and had church services and that led to protesters protesting the services and supporters that came to protest the protesters protesting his services. So, I just see a really divided country in a lot of ways and it really is something that’s concerning.

Jesus said a house divided can’t stand. And it was quoted by Abraham Lincoln in the Civil War. And so, you just see the kind of conflict that’s going on out there and it looks like we really are pretty much polarized and divided. Until I start seeing some polling numbers that show we’re not really as divided as it looks like on TV, which makes sense. You know, obviously, they do things on television, they have coverage of things that are in the news and they’re going to highlight that and they’re going to really press it because that’s where they get ratings.

So, I got to say that in some recent polling I saw, I’m really encouraged. Because as I saw in the protest, there is not just anti-Confederate tone, there’s an anti-American tone. With so many statues of faith came down. So many of the statues of founding fathers came down. So many statues of the Union side in the Civil War, not the Confederate side came down. War Memorial, so World War One and World War Two and other things. I mean there was just such an anti- American tone in it, that was really highly disappointed in the way that it looked like America was really polarized.

But now, I’ve got in my hands a Rasmussen poll that just came out. And in the Rasmussen poll, it goes to the idea that Black Lives Matter has been pushing and that is that the statement in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal, that was a lie and America was based on a lie. The 1619 Project takes the position that from the very beginning America was founded to perpetuate slavery and so, what was in the Declaration was the lie, etc.

Well, that kind of mantra that’s been out there from Black Lives Matter picked up by a lot of the media, particularly on the left, Rasmussen did a survey on that and said, do you believe that what is the ideals in the Declaration, the ideas of freedom and equality, that those were a lie or is it that just Americans never fully lived up to what those Declaration ideals are, but those ideals are right?

And so, as it turned out, only 11% of the nation believed that the Declaration set forth a lie. Overwhelmingly, 79% of the nation said, no, we believe the principles in the Declaration, we believe that America was founded on those principles. We haven’t always lived up to them, but those are the right principles and we don’t think the Founding Fathers lied when they put that in there. And…


And that poll’s responding to the very specific mantra that’s out there. In other words, this wasn’t just a random, do you think the founders lied with the Declaration of Independence. I mean that specifically what the BLM and antifa movement is saying, the Project 1619, I mean, that’s what they’ve been trying to get people to believe. And you’re saying only 11% have bought into that?


That’s right. And that is really, really, really significant, because without the inundation that we had, with all the media stories and all the voices that were being covered in the protest and they interview protesters. I mean, this is the message were out there, a lot of academics jumped on, did editorials on it. There were a lot of news articles quoting professors. And this was what they were putting out there and it’s like that propaganda didn’t work. It didn’t cap shown. And as a matter of fact, most Americans rejected it.

Which, you know, that was really heartening to me after having watched so much of the media and seeing how it looked to be like a 50/50 split. They have only 11% of Americans take the position that the founders lied. I mean, that’s really good.

And the other poll that came out was a Fox poll that I found also kind of interesting in that same way, because with all the statues of Founding Fathers coming down, so many of them, I mean, whether it’s Washington and Jefferson. But you throw in the Philip Schuler’s and you throw in the [inaudible 05:54] and you throw in Pulaski and you throw in Caesar Rodney and you throw in all these other Founding Fathers statues like the Founding Fathers got to come down…


Or early American statues in general, right, because it’s some beyond just the Founding Fathers, but as an early American, they’re saying we need to take this guy down. So even people that we wouldn’t consider Founding Fathers, if it’s somebody because you just mentioned an abolitionist, who’s after the founding fathers, but if they were an early statue, they need to come down because the assumption is they must be racist, even if they’re an abolitionist, which is ironic, but they don’t know the story, but this is what we’re seeing.


And so, Fox did a poll on that and they said, “Do you consider the Founding Fathers to be heroes or villains? And given that, that really kind of straight-line choice. Are the Founding Fathers good guys or bad guys? I was surprised that 63% of Americans said the Founders were good guys and only 15% said they were villains. So, for 63% that choose and say they’re heroes, especially after all the ink that’s been spilled to make them look really bad and again, the systemic racism and they were the ones who brought racism in. And it starts with Jamestown in the 1619 Project. And the Founding Fathers kept all of that alive and they perpetuated slavery and that’s why we were founded, that’s what they kept alive. Americans just aren’t buying that.

And so again, by margin 63/15, the Founding Fathers were heroes, not villains.


Well, [inaudible 07:16] too, I don’t think that the article you have probably breaks down the demographic. Because what we’re seeing is that certainly, for adult Americans, they’re holding a different position than what a lot of young people are learning, because young people are only hearing one side of the story. And so, this doesn’t necessarily mean that there won’t be a lot of these battles to fight going forward for the future of the nation. But at least we recognize the majority, the nation doesn’t hold a position that America fundamentally is evil and bad, etc.


And by the way, among young people, instead of 15%, saying the Founding Fathers are villains, it was 24%. But that’s still a whole lot lower than I thought it would have been in that young range, given what they’ve had in school in the last several years. So yeah, no question that the younger ones have more of a negative view toward the Founding Fathers, but certainly not nearly as high as what I suspected it might have been.


Yeah, David, that that’s a great piece of good news to start with today, because I needed to hear that one, I’ll tell you. Over the last few months, I’ve been really worried about how much of the culture has bought these lies. And as we’ve said, I mean, the left has been pushing this in education for 40-50 years. So, the fact that the numbers are still that low really gives me hope, that there’s a strong, strong group out there that still understands the greatness of America strength and the foundation that we have. So really great piece of good news. We’re going to take a quick break. We’ll be right back. Stay with us, it’s Good News Friday here on WallBuilders Live.


This is Tim Burton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Too often today, history education excludes great black heroes from the American founding, such as Lemuel Haynes. Haynes abandoned as a baby, pioneered churches across upper New England. He became the first black American to pastor a white congregation, to receive an honorary master’s degree and to be ordained by a mainstream Christian denomination, the Congregationalists.

He was a soldier during the American Revolution and in his churches on George Washington’s Birthday, he regularly preached sermons honoring George Washington. Even late in his life, he expressed his willingness to go back to battle if necessary to protect America, which he called a Sacred Ark. American history is filled with numerous examples of black heroes, who are largely ignored by mainstream education today.

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We’re back here on WallBuilders Live, Good News Friday today and we’ve got a lot of good news left today. Tim Barton’s got the next piece of good news. Tim.


Alright, guys, this one is related to some of the unrest, some of the protests that have been going on, largely some of these BLM activists who are arguing that they’re doing stuff for George Floyd or in this case in Atlanta, for the Rashad Brooks shooting. And for listeners that might not be familiar with Rashard Brooks, you certainly can look it up. But this was a gentleman who was drunk passed out in a car and a Wendy’s drive thru that Wendy’s employees called the police officers because somebody is blocking their drive thru.

They show up. And after they have this very long, peaceful conversation, they go to arrest him, he doesn’t want to be arrested, he doesn’t want to go back to jail. He resists two officers, takes a taser off an officer, shoots one officer with a taser. And this specific taser, you can have two or three rounds in this taser, where it can be utilized multiple times. He then shoots at the other officer, turns and runs and the officer shoots him and he dies. And this is where the media initially said that officers kill man who fell asleep in his car at Wendy’s.

And the headline is so misleading, because you think they just walked up somebody’s car and shot somebody through the window which is certainly not at all what happened. Anyway, in all the unrest and all of the frustration and protests and all of the media’s dishonesty and some of what happened, one of the really cool things that happened in Atlanta, Tyler Perry, apparently is a native of Atlanta, which I am not necessarily surprised, because Atlanta is becoming a little bit of the New Hollywood minus the taxes. They’re a fan of finding other places where they can do films and not have to pay the crazy taxes of California or Hollywood.

And so, you see a lot of actors and media moguls which Tyler Perry is certainly one of those people. Tyler Perry, I think is most known for the Madea character that he created and has really made famous. So the very wealthy guy, Tyler Perry says he has a lot of friends who are police officers and wants to do something to help restore the community. Tyler Perry is a black man, African American, and he sees this incredible divide and instead of doing what it seems a lot of Hollywood actors or athletes or notable people are doing and tweeting about it.

He actually went and he bought 1,000 gift cards from Kroger. He took them to the police departments and he gave them to the police department to handout in minority communities to try to help build and restore relationship in the minority communities. And I thought of all the things that I’ve seen, right now we have, whether it be Major League Baseball or with the NBA, and people are putting things on their jerseys or their warm ups or they’re going to kneel during the anthem and all the things that are happening that are not going to bring about real change, to see someone like Tyler Perry who recognizes that there’s something that we can do to help restore this divide, to help restore, even build a bridge. Maybe it’s not restoring, because maybe there was never anything there in the first place, but the build a bridge for police officers to be able to have a better relationship in minority community and he’s helping fund 1,000 gift cards, already gave them out, 1,000 gift cards given to police department, they then gave out to people from the minority community in need to help build a relationship. That is just really cool that somebody is not going to just stick to the platitudes of social media and what they’re going to tweet or some symbol they’re going to do on TV to signify that they’re standing against injustice

 and they’re going to help bring racial healing or whatever the case might be. This is a really practical solution from somebody who didn’t do this out in public, with everybody watching him and him trying to get attention, hey, guys, look at me. This was just a guy saying I want to do something to make a difference. And the police department posted photos from some of the interactions they had showing they’re making an effort to reach out to help people in minority communities. Just kudos to Tyler Perry. This is a really cool way to help bridge that gap of what oftentimes we do see exists in some of these minority communities with police officers. Really cool.


Yeah, I like what you said too, Tim, and actually doing something real that can bring people together. So, really cool story and a great place for it to happen in Atlanta where a lot of this unrest has been. A quick break guys, we got more good news coming. Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.


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We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Good news Friday today, and we’re having too much fun in the studio today in between segments, because it is a Good News Friday. So, David, Tim, thanks for giving me some good news this week. Without Good News Friday, sometimes I get a little bit down and I’m not supposed to, but you know, sometimes I look at what’s happening in the moment, I don’t step back and use the context of history and a biblical worldview to keep my joy, so you guys really helped me fix that. And I think David’s got the next piece of good news. David, go ahead, bro.


What I’ve got here is more polling again and it relates to what Tim was just talking about like in Atlanta, the shooting there, miss-portrayed by the media, shooting black guys he’s asleep and lie in Wendy’s, is not what happened at all.

But we’ve seen, anytime there’s a black shooting recently, it really makes the top of the news. And it really is part of driving a wedge and all that is to push the false narrative that black are more targeted and more violence toward blacks from police and that police relationships with blacks are really bad. And so, we’ve seen that covered again and again in the protests and Black Lives Matters and so many groups, Antifa all voicing the same mantra.

And it’s interesting that with that, it’s like the polling I’m seeing here says that the black community believes that least of all of any other group out there, I mean, it really is amazing. Here this polling, this is a Gallup poll that was just released. And after all this coverage had been out there and all the highlights with the George Floyd’s and all the others, when asking black specifically, do you want more or less time with place in your community, do you want to spend about the same? What do you think about having police in black communities?

61% of black surveyed said they want police to spend the same amount of time in their communities they have been, but 20% want them to invest more time. So, 81% of black Americans want more time from police, the same amount or even more, only 19% of black Americans said they want to play spend less time in their community. Now, that is certainly not the image that I would get if I was watching the news, because it would seem to be almost kind of a universal thing that blacks want the police out of their communities. And hence, you get cities like Minneapolis and other major cities who are defunding the police because the minority communities don’t want to police in those communities. That’s just not what the polling is.

And so again, the people are coming through in a much stronger and a sounder way than it appears to me even watching the news. And within that, even the definition of what constitutes racism is very intriguing. And then somewhat related to that, a new Rasmussen poll is out that deals with issue of racism. And certainly, racism is another one of the things that’s been in the news, there have been a lot of focus on it.

And so, what I find interesting in this, is when you ask the American people, how do you define racism? It’s significant that 75% of Americans think that the term racism refers to any discrimination by people of one race against another race…


You mean, what racism actually is?


Exactly right.


And instead of saying, right, no, it’s the white oppressor and the whites have oppressed minority communities or whatever the case it which was what you’re alluding to. We’ve heard in academia for decades, it seems like I mean, maybe even back to the Howards, end of the 1980s of who the oppressor is, that’s super interesting. 75% of Americans identify racism as actually the behavior of an individual, not based on the color of someone’s skin or not based on the fact that you have the power or in the majority, actually using the definition of racism to define racism. What a novel concept.


What a novel concept. And we’ve talked before that this really is a human problem. So, when you look at Rwanda, you know, it was blacks killing blacks in that Civil War, that was racism because it was one group of blacks, saying the other group of blacks is not the right group. And so that can happen in any culture. It can happen in Asia. It can happen in Africa, South America. It can happen in America.

But in America, we’ve been teaching, as you said, Tim, for decades, that racism only occurs by white people against others. And so most Americans have not bought into that. As a matter of fact, it looks like that what’s happening with Black Lives Matter and Antifa really trying to push the same, the front is actually backfired on them. Because the polling right now shows that while 15% of Americans define racism as white against someone else, right now, 25% of Americans think that blacks are more racist than whites, which is an amazing result.


Well, one of the tragedies too, is that so often in this kind of Marxist movement, you want to bring division, because that’s the chaos is what you believe can bring down the system with. And so it looks and saying, man, it’s sad now that we’re looking at groups of people and saying no, that group is racist, that group is racist, whether it’s white or black, whoever it is. This is part of the goal of Marxism too, is to bring division, because that’s how you bring the system down. So that’s not a good thing.

But the good news is that the majority of Americans have not bought into this false academic narrative that only white people could be racist. Instead of recognizing what as Christians, we should know that no, this is a human nature, a sin problem, where Jesus taught that out of the heart of man proceeds all kinds of evil thoughts. Racism was an evil thought. That’s a heart problem from someone who doesn’t know Jesus, who doesn’t have a regenerated heart through salvation, right? That’s a whole gospel message that we would love to share with people on a different time in a different place. Because certainly, the gospel is what we are promoting in our own lives, the reason we exist as an organization and operation. But in the midst of that, really good news to recognize the American people has not bought into this academic false narrative.


So actually, guys, that’s three items today now that says the leftist agenda is actually failing, not succeeding. I mean, even though it looks like they’re winning in some of these areas, they haven’t won over a majority of the country to make you think America was founded on bad ideas or that everybody in America is a racist or that blacks don’t want cops in their communities. I mean, you guys are giving good news on some of the biggest issues of the day to essentially say, hey, we’re still strong underneath. We know the streets are crazy right now. We know the news is crazy right now. And there are a lot of bad things happening in the country. But underneath the majority of the American people are not buying in to this Marxist agenda. Now, it’s made progress, no doubt about it, but it has not taken over a majority the country. There’s great hope out there.

More good news when we come back for our final segment today. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.


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We’re back on WallBuilders Live, final segment of the day, in fact, final few minutes of the day and Tim Barton is going to take us out with some good news.


Alright, Rick, this one is coming from a baseball team and you probably going to know the name, Sam Coonrod when I say it, although I’m probably mispronouncing his last name, Sam, I apologize. With that being said…


Only reason I know is because he was the one guy, I didn’t know him before that. But man, I know him now.


Yes, he is the Neo from the matrix, right? He is the one. When Major League Baseball came out, and they wanted to show solidarity and unity and at this point, you know, if you are not kneeling during the anthem, it’s because you are racist and you hate black people, is the narrative that is being said as ridiculous and counterproductive as that is. But he’s the guy who said, I only kneel before God and I can’t kneel for anybody else.

But he, I was so impressed where he had a reported with TMZ and he acknowledged look, I don’t think I’m better than anybody, I’m just a Christian. I believe I can’t kneel before anything but God or Jesus Christ. I chose not to kneel. And I feel if I did kneel, I’d be a hypocrite and I don’t want to be a hypocrite. He continued, though, “That I just can’t get on board with a couple things I’ve read about Black Lives Matter how they lean toward Marxism and then said some negative things about the nuclear family. I just can’t get on board with that.”

So not only is this guy acknowledging Christ and saying I bow my knee before Christ only, right and this was the Tim Tebow thing, where Tebow wasn’t allowed to do this, but now apparently, everybody can. If it’s not to God, it’s something else you can do it. Sam says, no, I’m only going to kneel before God. But then he has the intellectual understanding to say that this organization, Black Lives Matter, they’re actually very destructive in what they promote and what they stand for. And it’s great to see an athlete who’s actually done a little more research than just whatever the media team has told him he should do.

And actually, even at the support of his manager, who said Look, I tell all the guys, you follow what you think you need to do, we support you, we’re team, we stay together. But the courage it takes when you are the only guy, just Bravo and kudos to Sam Coonrod, that is awesome that he stood up and let his testimony for Jesus to be heard.


Only guy in a stadium! I mean, you’re standing alone, literally in a baseball stadium and everybody else kneeling. Yeah, great, great courage and a willingness to stand for truth. So, so, encouraging.

Well, that’s it for the good news today. Folks, we are out of time. More good news for you next Friday, so be sure to tune in, not only on Friday, but throughout the week, Monday through Friday, got a lot of great information, a lot of great interviews and just terrific guests over the next couple of weeks.

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