Pro-Life Law That Could Close Two Abortion Clinics In Arkansas: We call it Good News Friday because it’s a chance for David and Tim to share some good news from across the nation and around the world. In this episode, we talk about an Arkansas Pro-Life Law that could close two abortion clinics, how there is regular prayer in the White House, how Trump signs an executive order to expand employment opportunities for military spouses! And more!

Air Date: 06/29/2018

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

You’ve found your way to the intersection of faith and the culture. Thanks for joining us on WallBuilders Live where we talk about the day’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. We always do that from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and the founder of WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton’s with us, he’s a national speaker and pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state legislator and my job is to keep us running on time.

So, we’re going to jump into some good news today because it’s Friday and we always do Good News Friday here at WallBuilders. It’s a chance for David and Tim to share some stories they’ve been following over the last few weeks, stories that usually are not covered on the major media. But they’re great news stories for us to know that if we get involved the system does work. If we work it and we take these constitutional, biblical, historical, values into the community and we really become salt and light – just like we’re told to do.

So, you can find more of these programs at WallBuildersLive.com. We have an archive section there and you can listen to the programs from the last few weeks. And then at WallBuilders.com you can some great tools to use in your home, at your church, in your homeschool co-op, or in your neighborhood, video programs, it’s almost like curriculum for your Sunday school. You can do Foundations of Freedom which is our television program with special guests like Glenn Beck, and Michele Bachmann, and others. You can also do Building on the American Heritage Series, or Constitution Alive – a lot of great resources there for you. So, be sure and take those and use those to educate the folks in your realm of influence as well.

David, Tim, looking forward to some good news today. Let’s start with David. What do you got first?

David:

I’m going to start with several snippets from the Trump administration. Man, the last few weeks I’ve had a whole lot of Trump news, good news kind of stuff. It’s not like I’m just looking for it – it’s what’s out there. And, Rick, you just mentioned Glenn Beck. People probably saw the national news here a few weeks ago when Glenn Beck, who was really never a Trumper for the last year and a half,–

Starting With Prayer

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

— actually on TV put on that Make America Great Again hat.

Rick:

I saw that. I was shocked, I was like, did somebody photoshop this? What I’m looking at here? What Beck said is, “This guy,–” he said, “He has kept every promise he made. I didn’t think he’s going to keep any of them. He has kept every promise–” And it’s been that kind of surprising thing were that whether it’s critics, or even, I was a hopeful supporter, I certainly thought he was going to be better than Hillary was, but I was hopeful that it might be 50 percent good, 50 percent not so good. Man, it’s been way over that.

Rick:

No doubt.

David:

So, the number of articles coming across the desk has just been absolutely phenomenal. And there was an interview in which Vice President Mike Pence was on the interview and made what I consider to be good news statements. And it could be that nobody else thought these were good news, but I really thought it was good news. Mike was talking about all the prayer that goes on inside the White House. Right off the bat I think that’s a really good thing that there’s prayer going on inside the White House.

And this is a quote, he said, “There’s prayer going on on a regular basis in this White House. And it’s one of the most meaningful things to me, whether it’s public meetings or not. I’ve lost count of the number of times the president has nudged me or nudged another member of the cabinet and said, ‘Let’s start this meeting with prayer’.” So, it is Trump starting the thing with prayer, which, they don’t start cabinet meetings with prayer, but he does.

People May Not Realize

Rick:

Hey, David, I’m sorry to interrupt you, but some people may not even realize, especially if you grow up in a Christian home, if most of your friends are Christian, and the people you’re around, that doesn’t sound unusual to say that there’s prayer in the White House when they start these meetings in prayer. For those of– the three of us have been around politics all our life – whether it’s the state or federal level. In that world, sometimes it’s a very cynical, secular–

David:

Yep.

Rick:

–almost anti-Christian, they belittle it, they almost mock it and scoff it. There’s a lot of this intellectual kind of attitude and look down the nose at people of faith. So, when Vice President talks about this, when you see this kind of thing, for those of us who’ve been around it you do go, “Wow. That’s awesome.” That’s just cool because that is unusual to have it coming from the very top, it’s unusual for it to be commonplace in that arena that’s usually very cynical.

David:

As Mike points out, this has happened on a regular basis. He said, “I can’t count the number of times the President has done that.” And what I love is it’s not pre-planned, the President just points to someone and basically says, “Open in some prayer.”

I was actually on national news a few weeks ago responding to what became a breaking national story when word leaked out that the president had asked Ben Carson to open the cabinet meeting in prayer. The media went, “How dare he do that?” Well, they’re doing it all the time.

It’s crazy that I become a commentary on prayer happening at a cabinet meeting, but that is how outside the mainstream it is. Rick, as you said, in that realm that does not happen often at all, but it’s happening in this White House.

Rick:

Yeah.

Even the Mainstream Media

David:

And as part of that interview Mike did, there was another part I thought was really good. I think everybody kind of remembers back few months ago the White House Correspondent Dinner and how Michelle Wolf just launched on Pence and just beat the dickens out of him. It was so bad that even mainstream media correspondents said, “We think it’s time to stop this dinner. This shouldn’t happen anymore. This is not supposed to be the platform for what just happened.” And so there were actually boos from folks as unlikely as CNN with what she did in going after him.

So, it’s interesting that when he was asked about that Mike– and she made fun of him for being pro-life. How arcane is that, and how backwards is that, and how Neanderthal is that. And here’s what Mike said, he says, “I’m pro-life and I don’t apologize for it. It comes with the territory. As the Bible says, I count it all joy when I endure trials or criticisms.” Now, that’s a biblical response just popping out of his mouth–

Rick:

Wow.

David:

–because why? He knows the bible. And that actually– I know Mike and you know Mike. Mike’s a great guy, we know Mike here, we’ve known him for a number of years and this is who he actually is. So, I think that that’s a massive thing in his, in the Trump administration.

Rick:

And remember, David, he did the same thing whenever– last year when he went to see Hamilton and the guy from the stage basically started insulting him.

David:

Yep.

What’s Up in Hawaii

Rick:

And he still had exactly that same, “Count it all joy when you experience various trials.” It’s amazing at that level of pressure and constant onslaught of insults, that the Lord’s given him that peace to be able to do that and to have that joy, it’s really cool to watch.

David:

And good and well that he has enough influence to be able to exert some leverage in retaliation against these folks if he wants to.

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

There are plenty of larger donors, plenty of influential folks, that can make life unbearable for folks who want to come after him that way, and they don’t. That’s just not who he is, he’s not after retaliation, or get even, or– he literally has that biblical approach toward responding the way that Jesus told us to. It’s a really good deal.

And Tim and I were recently speaking over an Hawaii. We just had a bunch of meetings in Hawaii – schools and various meetings. And one of the places where I spoke was a crisis pregnancy center. In the seven islands there in Hawaii, there’s only a handful of crisis pregnancy centers, that’s a very, very, very, blue state. And the legislature there in Hawaii has said, “Oh, by the way, if you’re a crisis pregnancy center, if you’re any kind of a pro-life ministry or operation, you have to promote abortion to any woman that comes in.” Which is a crazy deal.

Imagine if we told Planned Parenthood, “You have to promote crisis pregnancy centers to everybody who comes in.” That is so out of the mainstream of what’s considered even common decency. And so just before we went over, got word from the Trump administration that Health and Human Services has found out that that law passed in Hawaii and it violates several federal provisions. So, they have announced they’re investigating Hawaii. You can’t do this, you can’t retaliate against pro-life folks and force them to promote abortion.

Rebuilding the Military

David:

So, that rule has been there for all along. Anybody recall that being enforced at all under President Obama? Not at all. We had the states that went through and passed those laws. And the Department of Health and Human Services just kept their mouth shut, nothing happened. But that’s another big change.

And finally, the third one I’ll point to from these snippets from the Trump administration is President Trump has now signed an executive order that expands employment opportunities for military spouses. If you know anything about the military they’re fairly underpaid organization. By the way, Trump has now approved 716 billion dollars in spending for the military, trying to rebuild that, get us back on top. It’s the first pay raise that the military has had in 10 years -they’ve not had a pay raise in ten years. They had absolutely none under Obama.

So, they’re getting a pay raise now, but he’s also helping improve income by giving military spouses access to federal jobs and positions. In other words, they can apply for a federal job and position if they’re qualified, they can take that. So, that’s another way to help military families, military spouses, help the military by helping provide them income because they are so far below what most of us would consider a normal private sector pay. That’s great news as well.

So, a lot of good news in the last couple of weeks coming out of the Trump administration and it’s fairly small things, but all in all, I think it’s a great tone.

Rick:

Alright, guys, quick break. We’ll come back with some more good news. Tim Barton is up next. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Leadership Training Program

Rick:

Hey, friends! We’ve got a great program to share with you today. It’s the WallBuilders Leadership Training Program and it’s an opportunity for 18 to 25 year olds to come spend two weeks diving into the original documents we’re always talking about here on WallBuilders Live.

Tim, you’ve already been doing this a couple of summers and seen the results of young people coming to this program. We’re going to see more of them coming this year.

Tim:

Yeah, Rick, it’s something that’s been cool to see the transformation with young people coming in. The emphasis, for us, largely is a pursuit of truth. We have a culture that doesn’t know what truth is. We don’t know what biblical truth is, or constitutional truth, or the American heritage that we have. And so we really dive into original documents and say, “Well, what did they actually write? What did they actually do? Not just what did somebody say, what is actually true, and the truth is what’s transformational.

David:

Yeah, guys. This really is a remarkable opportunity. And for those who want to spend time with us and spend time in the original documents, this is a great program. So, if you’re from 18 to 25, or you know someone who’s 18 to 25, send them to sign up for one of our three sessions this summer at WallBuilders.com/leadershiptraining.

Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live. It’s Good News Friday today and Tim Barton has some good news – Tim?

Tim:

Alright, guys, this one is coming from the American Bible Society. So, I know that my dad probably could identify the original founder, probably the original– or at least some of the original * presidents–

David:

Alright, are you talking about Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, or are you talking about John Langdon, or maybe John Jay, or Elias Boudinot? Or are you talking about Smith Thompson, or– how many more do you want?

Rick:

Wait. Actually, we should ask which founders were not part of the American Bible Society.

American Bible Society

Tim:

Most of the rest. So, this is a Bible society that started under the founding fathers.

David:

And, by the way, it’s the first National Bible Society because Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration, started the first local Bible Society which was for Philadelphia. Other states and founders saw that and thought, “That’s good”. So, they started a Massachusetts Bible Society for the state, New Jersey, and Rhode Island.

And then here comes the American Bible Society. At the time it was founded in 1816 by the Founding Fathers there were 121 different Bible societies that had been formed in the previous eight years. So, the Bible is growing big time in America under the Founding Fathers at that point.

Tim:

Well, this Bible Society is still around today. It’s still doing a lot of very impressive, very good things. And one of the things that they are now getting some some news for is something that is viewed by some as controversial. And what is being viewed as controversial is the fact that they are saying their employees have to now adhere to orthodox Christian beliefs and heed a conservative code of sexual ethics. Ultimately, meaning it will effectively prohibit sexual active LGBT people and couples in cohabiting relationships – so, they’re not married, they’re sleeping together. That will prevent them from being able to work for the American Bible Society.

But the organization stands by its measures saying this will promote unity and clarity. The president and CEO, Roy Peterson, said, “We’re doing this so that we can have a common vision, people of one mind and one spirit, that are behind the Bible.” He said, “Look, we understand there are differing views on these matters. This decision does not signal intent to advocate or champion any cause other than increased engagement with the Bible.

So, yeah his conclusion – look, we’re not trying to be political, right, we’re not trying to advocate for a specific position. I’m just saying we should at least– if you’re gonna work for the Bible Society at least follow what the Bible says. If you’re going to be part of the team. I think it’s a brilliant position to have and certainly there’s a lot of controversy now because, “Oh, you’re being discriminatory, and this, and this, and that.”, really silly some of the attacks coming against it.

But the good news is you have a Bible Society saying, “Hey, we want our staff to actually follow the Bible.” Which, in today’s culture is almost like this novel concept. It really, in my mind, this is not a lot different from a church saying, “We want our employees to follow and live by the Bible.”

David:

Well, you remember, what, a week or two ago we talked about two examples out of the Methodist Church where the Methodist Church is actually stepping up and saying, “You know, our book of doctrine says this about sexual issues and we’ve got churches not following that and they can’t be part of our organization anymore.”

Tim:

Right. And so for an organization that their designed purpose is to help people get the word of God, to get that in their hands, for people to become familiar with the Bible, for everybody in America to have a Bible. And actually, they do a lot of international things as well.

But this is, to me, not a lot different than a church, a denomination, a pastor, saying, “Hey, we’re going to have our people follow this.” That should not be a controversial issue. If you are a group that promotes the Bible, that’s kind of why you exist. This should not be controversial to say, “We want our staff to follow the Bible.” Nonetheless, to me, this is very encouraging, very good news, that the American Bible Society is saying, “We actually believe what the Bible says, we want people to live according to that. And if you’re going to work with us this is how we bring unity and clarity is by having people that support and follow what the Bible says.” So, really good news. Kind of fun stuff coming from the American Bible Society.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks. We’ve got more good news coming up after the break. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

A Moment From America’s History

This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. In the case, Abington vs Schempp the Supreme Court ruled that the Bible could no longer be an independent textbook in public school curriculum. Would our Founding Fathers have agreed?

Benjamin Rush certainly would have disagreed. Benjamin Rush was a signer of the Declaration of Independence and he was a leading educator of the day. In fact, he was the first Founding Father to call for free public schools.

Benjamin Rush declared, “The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effective means of extinguishing Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible at schools. The Bible should be read in our schools in preference to all other books.”

In the view of Founding Father Benjamin Rush, the Bible was the textbook of preference for public schools. For more information on God’s hand in American history contact WallBuilders at 1 800 8 REBUILD.

Rick:

We’re back on this Good News Friday here on WallBuilders Live. David Barton is next. What do we got for the next piece of good news? Where are we headed?

David:

I’m going to Arizona. And in Arizona, we just had a bill that was signed by Governor Doug Ducey and it’s a great bill because it rolls back a huge doctrine that has really helped the regulatory state to grow. That regulatory state, or deep state, or however you want to describe it, where that bureaucrats have greater influence than legislators do.

What Grows Faster Than Federal Laws?

David:

This bill– let me see if I can explain this. One of the things that grows faster than federal laws are federal regulations and they have the impact of law, at least they’re interpreted to have the impact of law. And Senator Mike Lee, great U.S. senator out of Utah, Mike has two stacks in his office. And in the one stack, he puts all the the laws that have been enacted by the Congress just the way the Constitution says, went through the House, went through the Senate, the president signed it. It puts them all in that stack. And all the other federal laws that have been enacted by unelected bureaucrats he puts them in a different stack.

When I was talking to him not long ago in the stack passed by the federal Congress according to the Constitution, that stack was two inches tall. And in the stack passed by the bureaucrats it was 14 feet tall. So, that many federal laws have been enacted and did not go through the House or the Senate. And so the bureaucracies, they give you these regulations to interpret what the law means and how to apply the law, and they essentially rewrite the law on a regular basis.

What has happened is there is in the federal Congress a provision called the reins act, which the House has passed, and the Senate has not taken up, which says, “Look, you can’t pass any regulation that has a substantial impact, say 100 million dollars, unless Congress voted on it.” And there are these regulations going through all the time that have millions, hundreds of millions, billions, of dollars of impact.

So what’s happened is the courts have been giving deference to, “Well, the Department of Health and Human Services says in their regulations this, and you as a citizen violated that. So, we’re now going to send you to jail for three years and a five hundred thousand dollar fine because you violated this regulation.” So, what’s happened is these regulations have the impact of federal law. But we’ve already seen from Justice Gorsuch, the most recent appointee to the supreme court, that he’s already come out and said, “No, no, no, regulations do not trump federal law and they are not federal law.” The Constitution established what federal law is. We have a disposition at least with him and some other members on the court to go the other way.

A Massive Shift of Power

David:

But at the state level you have the same thing going on. You have state agencies all the time that are writing the regulations and when it goes in the state courts, the state courts say, “Well, you violated this regulation, whatever, and it may not have been passed by the legislature.” And that’s what happened this bill. So, Doug Ducey signed this bill and it was designed with the help of the Goldwater Institute that overturns this legal doctrine that requires courts to defer to agency interpretation of statutes. In other words, you’ve got the bill, but when the agency interprets it through regulations to mean this you have to do what the agency says. No you don’t – you can look at the law the same way you should do.

And so this is a whole turnaround in Arizona–

Rick:

It’s really a shift of power–

David:

A massive shift of power.

Rick:

–from the bureaucrats to the to the legislators saying, hey, the law of the legislators that we elected is what matters not what this unelected bureaucrat decides.

David:

It puts it back in the hands of the people where the people can get their hands on the legislators – they can’t get their hands on the bureaucrats. And so if the people don’t like what the legislators have done they can clean house, and they do on a regular basis, and that’s why you have turnover that a fairly high rate in state legislatures. But when you have courts that are upholding agencies and bureaucracies over legislators you no longer have a republican form of government in the small “r” sense of the word, our form of government is a republican form of government. But this is getting back to it, so this is a great, great, great, law. We’re seeing some pushback on this on the federal level. I look forward to the day when we get it on the federal level. But kudos to Arizona for doing the right thing on this.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks. We’ve got one more segment of good news for you today. We’ll be right back on WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. After the final victory at Yorktown the Continental Army awaited the outcome of peace negotiations with Great Britain.

Pastor Israel Evans, a chaplain in the army, proposed to George Washington that they build a structure where church services can be held during the months of waiting. Washington approved the plan and urges officers to ensure that the soldiers attend that service.

Pastor Evans further knew if we were to secure the liberties they had fought for, sound education would be crucial.

He declared, “Every parent and every friend to the freedom of his country ought to be attentive to the improvement of our youth and the principles of freedom and good government. And then the people will stand fast in their liberty for a long time.” Our schools today need to return to teaching the principles of freedom and good government in order for America to survive and prosper. For more information about Pastor Israel Evans and other colonial Patriots go to WallBuilders.com

Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live Good News Friday today. And Tim’s going to round us out. What’s our last piece of good news, Tim?

Tim:

Well, this one is something that originated in Arkansas. The good news came from the U.S. Supreme Court related to this. And actually, it was the inactivity of the U.S. Supreme Court where the good news comes from. So, there was a law passed in Arkansas, I believe it was 2015, and it was putting restrictions on abortion industry businesses. Now, largely that is Planned Parenthood. There are three facilities in Arkansas that perform abortions and–

News From Arkansas

David:

Wait a minute, three facilities in all of Arkansas?

Tim:

That’s what this article identifies.

David:

Wow, that’s cool.

Tim:

There’s three facilities in Arkansas that perform abortions. Now, I have not looked up and confirmed all the details, but–

Rick:

And of course you mean, David, by “it’s cool” it means there’s only three.

David:

Yeah–

Rick:

Not– there down to only three.

David:

There’s four congressmen in Arkansas. That means there’s less than one abortion clinic for 760,000 there about folks, that’s great.

Rick:

There you go.

Tim:

And what this says is there are two in Little Rock and there is one in Fayetteville. And so by indication it seemed to say there are only three. What happened was they put some restrictions on the abortion businesses that are there, things that certainly we’ve talked about before. These are not extreme by any measure. They are things like if the person performing the abortion, they need to have admitting privileges into a hospital in case something goes wrong, they need to be able to get this woman into a hospital to care for her life, to save her life, etc.. And so pretty basic stuff that the law required abortion facilities to follow Food and Drug Administration guidelines when in ministering abortion drugs.

So, although it seems ironic–

The Ironic Thing

David:

It’s wild you’re saying a medical facility should follow a medical facility laws for all of the medical facilities.

Tim:

And even to me what’s ironic is, hey, make sure you follow safe practices while you induce medical death to the unborn child, that’s a little ironic. But no, even to your point, the idea that, hey, make sure that you are following the basic standards that is required in any kind of medical practice as you do this.

David:

And by the way, can I point out the * this? When this law was done in Texas, what helped to get passed was– we had the statement going around the legislature– Rick, you may remember this– that we want women in Texas to receive the same legal protection that’s required when a veterinarian deals with a horse in a vet clinic.

Rick:

Yeah. Imagine that.

David:

Imagine that.

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

You have higher legal standards for veterinary clinics than you have for abortion clinics. That was wild.

Tim:

Well, so when this happened– and actually, so the one you’re referring to in Texas, actually the supreme court did strike that one down for various reasons. And of course, the Texas legislators are not giving up on the issue. They’re going to keep fighting, finding ways to bring this back.

Well, this Arkansas bill might be a pretty good blueprint because this is one that was actually, this law was upheld and that’s why Planned Parenthood appealed this going all the way to Supreme Court. Because essentially what this did was any kind of medical abortion, so not surgical abortion, but medical abortion, where for example, you would take something like RU486 which has been proven according to the FDA to be very dangerous, 14 women have died from it and 2,207 women have been injured from that drug, this abortion inducing drug.

Pro-Life Law That Could Close Two Abortion Clinics In Arkansas

Tim:

Anyway, so these Planned Parenthood agencies that have not surgical, but drug induced abortions, they cannot find a doctor affiliate that will give them admitting privileges. And so with the Supreme Court ignoring this appeal from Planned Parenthood, because they cannot find a doctor they will have to shut their clinics down because they don’t have admitting privileges. So, the good news is two of the three abortion facilities in Arkansas looks like they’re about to be shut down. And this is just on basic health standards.

But this is still really good news that there are now going to be fewer places in Arkansas, according to the lack of action by the Supreme Court, that will be able to produce abortions.

Rick:

Lots of good news today, folks, but there’s more on our website. Go to WallBuildersLive.com in the archives section. You can listen to more of those previous Friday programs. David, Tim, thank you for so much good news today. Thank you, our listeners, for listening today to WallBuilders Live.