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Protecting Our Nation Through Education – With Randy Forbes:What was Critical Race Theory doing in our Federal Agencies? What will President Trump’s executive order mean for the Leftists groups? How is the Dpartment of Education working to preserve student’s First Amendment rights on college campuses? What is the ultimate goal of Marxism?  Why are Progressives too afraid of Biblical Truth heard in the marketplace of ideas? Tune in to hear strategic thinker, Congressman Randy Forbes, explain why Christians can’t let down their guard during these times.

Air Date: 10/29/2020

Guest: Randy Forbes

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


This is the intersection of faith and the culture. It’s WallBuilders Live, and we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy and faith and the culture, always looking at things from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective, whatever the issue is, no matter what you’re talking about, it could be the election. 

It could be something happening in your backyard right now, even property rights, government’s regulation of an addition you’re going to put on your home, it could be your churches not being allowed to open up because of the COVID crackdowns and unconstitutional, unprecedented orders from these dictator like governors across the country, it could be any issue.

But whatever the issue is, we’re going to look at it from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. Education is obviously an important issue and it’s something that we have to look at those three things, look through the eyes of those three paradigms, if you will, on the education issue as well. And that’s what we’re going to be doing today.

My name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator, and America’s Constitution coach, and I am here with David Barton. David is America’s premier historian, the founder of WallBuilders. He’s the one that put together this amazing library, the largest private collection of Founding Fathers documents in the world, probably has read more of the Founding Fathers been more in the minds of the Founding Fathers than anyone alive. Not probably, I think I can say that with confidence. And that’s why we’re able to bring you that historical perspective of the Founding Fathers.

Tim Barton is also with us. He’s a national speaker, and pastor, and he’s our president here at WallBuilders. In fact, you ought to consider getting Tim to come in and speak for your group; I’m telling you, he’s phenomenal. Check it out at wallbuilders.com. 

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Alright, David, Tim, we got Randy Forbes with us later in the program. We love Randy, former congressman from Virginia. David, you’ve worked with him on so many different things over the years, but he’s going to come on to talk about some of the things happening at the Department of Education. And it really fits guys with what President Trump did with his executive order in saying no teaching of critical race theory, no divisive, destructive philosophies being taught in our federal agencies. And so it’s kind of a double whammy at this point where we’re saying, hey, enough of sowing bad philosophy into our culture.

We’ve seen the result in the violence in the streets and all the destruction that’s been taking place. But it sounds like I can’t believe I’m bragging on the federal government here, but it sounds like at the federal government level, we’re getting it right, we’re getting to the root cause of these problems. And that’s what President Trump and Betsy DeVos are targeting.

Bragging on the Federal Government?


Well, and Rick, I’m chuckling as you’re saying that you’re bragging on the federal government. Really, what we’re saying is the federal government stopped doing a bad job in one area. So it’s not even that they’re doing a good job necessarily, it’s just they’ve stopped doing a bad job. And the critical race theory goes back to this idea of Marxism from critical theory.

And the big picture general philosophy is that, in order to create something new, you have to tear down the old and so you tear down the existing system. And part of how you do that is you say that everything about the old system was flawed and was so flawed that it can’t be recovered, and so all you can do is destroy it and start over.

Well, the idea of critical race theory is, essentially, every grievance we have in America today is because of race issues, or more specifically, even the things that are not grievances, even success, capitalism can’t be good, because it was built on racism. So capitalism is bad, and has to be removed. The institution’s we have can’t be good because they were built on slavery and racism, therefore, they can’t be good. They have to be replaced and removed.

And this is the idea of critical race theory is, no longer are people rewarded for their behavior. If you’re an entrepreneur, it wasn’t that you took a risk and you worked really, really hard. If, for example, you are a white person, or if you are an Asian, or if you are, I mean, you can kind of put a few different things in that list, but if you succeeded, it wasn’t because you took a risk and you worked really hard and you accomplished something, it was because the system was set up to make sure you succeeded because you’re not a minority of a certain ethnicity that is disadvantaged and have been disenfranchised. I mean, the whole thing is just ridiculous.

Critical Race Theory

But this is the idea of critical race theory. And it’s built around the notion that America is fundamentally bad and fundamentally flawed, and therefore everything about America must be torn down and replaced with something brand new. And this is the goal of Marxism, is you tear down the existing status quo and you replace it with socialism, with Marxism, with a bigger government.

And this is what the federal government used to teach in federal agencies, was that America was fundamentally flawed, that it disadvantaged certain groups of people, that people that were successful or achieving, it wasn’t because they were good, it was because the system advantage them and just so many things that are nonsensical. And you can go and look up more information on critical race theory, or in critical theory and get a lot more feel of that. But that’s kind of the big picture idea.

So the fact that Trump is saying, okay, we’re not doing that anymore, that’s really, really good news because the federal government was promoting things that would lean toward the destruction of America, and the federal government is supposed to help America be strong, defend the people and the rights of the people. And you need to be strong enough to do that. And Trump is helping take a step in the right direction to make sure that we’re not attacking the very foundation upon which we were built.


And along with that, there’s some historical background that goes with this. Eisenhower really dealt well with this when he had all the communists’ threats in America. Eisenhower, of course, went through World War II as the Commander in Chief of forces in Europe, he came back and he was head of NATO, actually helped start NATO, but he’s head of NATO, and then he becomes president of Columbia University, and then President of the United States.

The Goal of Communism

And so during that time, throughout that period after World War II was the rise of communism, which wanted to destroy America. The goal of communism was to destroy America, and so what do you do with on campuses? And here’s this statement, I love his statement. He said, “The Bill of Rights” and think about the Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, and press and association, assembly, religion, etc.

He said the “Bill of Rights, which is a great document, the Bill of Rights contains no grant of privilege for a group of people to destroy the Bill of Rights.” In other words, you can’t use the Bill of Rights to destroy the Bill of Rights. He continues, “A group dedicated to the ultimate destruction of all civil liberties cannot be allowed to claim civil liberties as his private sanctuary from which to carry on the subversion of government.”

So you can’t say I’m going to use free speech to stop everyone else’s free speech. Or in this case, I’m going to use freedom of religion, and by doing that, I’m going to implement Sharia law so that nobody else can have freedom of religion. And you can’t do that. That’s committing suicide; it really is what legally would be called sedition.

And so that’s what’s happening now with this critical race theory and critical theory, as Tim described, it’s actually using that to tear down the system which gives you the freedoms and the right to be able to talk about anything and uncover anything, but now it’s being used to destroy the system, and that’s a dangerous place to be. And President Trump has seen that, and because he does believe we should save American and put America first, he’s putting the same kind of philosophy out there, the same kind of policies out there that Eisenhower understood and Eisenhower knew were important for the preservation of America.


Well, but it’s good stuff, guys. I think these are bold moves. I don’t remember a president in my lifetime that was willing to do this; Reagan, to some extent, but most of this stuff came in right at the end of Reagan, really after Reagan. So this is huge. I mean, this can stop this leftist poison being sewn into so much of our culture.

Congressman Randy Forbes

In fact, Randy Forbes has been watching this and Randy is a former congressman for Virginia. David, before we have Randy on, you know, you’ve known him for a long time, you all started things together, including the prayer caucus, and just so many different things that he did as a congressman and now after a congressman to help save our culture.


Yeah, he is an amazing congressman. Before he was in Congress, he ran the Republican Party of Virginia, and saw Virginia turn from very “Blue State” to a very “Red State”. Now, since he’s left, it’s become a very “Purple State”, and now almost a very “Blue State” again, but it went the other direction. And then he was a state legislator for a number of years, then became a US Congressman. And as a US Congressman, oh my goodness, he was such a warrior in so many areas. He was a strategic thinker. And a lot of congressmen are good voters, but they’re not necessarily strategic thinkers.

Randy, who is not a military guy, sat on the Armed Services Committee and became such a military expert. But he was such a tactician, strategist, that after he left Congress, he was brought in as a civilian to teach at the War College, because he’s so good on strategy. And maybe nobody in America is better on understanding China and the threat from China as Randy is.

So here he is a Christian guy who is working to expand Christian expressions all over the United States, going state to state across the nation, gathering Christian legislators together and helping them start prayer caucuses and getting prayer, and really spiritual life at the base of what they do. I mean, he’s just so good in so many areas.

He’s an attorney as well. But he’s really been watching over what’s happening in the Department of Education, what Trump is doing with his executive orders. And so he’ll have a great inside perspective from the view of a policymaker as well as a strategist on what we should be doing with this.


Stay with us folks, former congressman Randy Forbes with us when we come back from the break on WallBuilders Live.

A Moment from American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. After the final victory at Yorktown, the Continental Army awaiting the outcome of peace negotiations with Great Britain, Pastor Israel Evans, a chaplain in the army proposed to George Washington, but they build a structure where church services can be held during the month of waiting. Washington approved the plan, and urged his officers to ensure that the soldiers attended service.

Pastor Evans further knew, if we were to secure the liberties they had fought for, sound education would be crucial. He declared, “Every parent and every friend of the freedom of his country ought to be attentive to the improvement of our youth in the principles of freedom and good government; and then the people will stand fast in their liberty for a long time.” Our schools today need to return to teaching the principles of freedom and good government in order for America to survive and prosper.

For more information about pastor Israel Evans and other colonial patriots, go to wallbuilders.com.


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Former congressman Randy Forbes, back with us. Such a pleasure to have you, brother, love you, miss you, and glad to have you back on.


Well, Rick, it’s always a pleasure to talk with you. And I just appreciate so much what you do. You know, we look around and we see so many of the mainstream media and the anti-faith people and they get story after story out there of that most of the time is just false and wrong. And you know, there are only a few voices out there that are really talking about the legacies of faith we have in this country. And you’re one of those great voices. So thanks for doing it.

Trump’s Executive Order


Well, man, you’ve always been a great friend of WallBuilders, and I know David’s enjoyed the work you guys have done over the years. And we’re seeing some of the fruits of that labor that really were seeds planted by you guys years and years and years ago, and even now the fights on university campuses for freedom and freedom of speech and certainly for religious liberty.

I am actually encouraged by, first of all, the President’s critical race theory executive order that is really a shot across the bow to the Leftist to stop this Leftist indoctrination in our federal agencies, and even now our universities. And looks like there’s some other Department of Education rules that could help as well to stop these universities defund any universities that are shutting down freedom of religion or freedom of speech?


Well, Rick, you’re so right. And you know, we’ve just really been blessed to have a secretary like Betsy DeVos in there for these four years, and people don’t realize the incredible battle that she has been undertaking and doing. Because as you mentioned correctly, we’ve had people of faith, Christians across the country and organizations that have been being discriminated against for a long period of time now, and this step up that the Department of Education is doing is huge in trying to protect their First Amendment right.


We used to say the universities were, in fact, we would complain sometimes at some of the stuff that went on, but then say, hey, but that’s freedom. That’s a freedom of thought, let there be expression and great debates, you know, we used to think that, but there’s really been a silencing for more than a decade now of any dissenting thought from the Left after they started dominating on the campuses. So what is, and I agree, I think DeVos has been one of Trump’s best appointments throughout his four years. What exactly are these regulations that they’re talking about?

What the Left Does


Well, Rick, I think first of all, you hit the nail on the head, when he talked about what the Left does. The Left always gets their nose under the tent, they get their foot in the door by suggesting they just want equality, that they just want an opportunity to be heard, that they want everybody to have their First Amendment rights. But in every single situation, that’s not what they want. Once they get there, then what they want to do is silence anybody who disagrees with them, and they want to kick them out from the marketplace of ideas in the country, and no places that been greater than when it comes to faith.

And as you and I both have witnessed over the last decade or so, what they’ve done is literally to kick college faith organizations off the college campuses, take any rights that they have a way so that they can even be a voice in that marketplace of ideas. And so here’s what the Secretary has done, what Department of Education done, and quite honestly what the President’s done with his executive orders.

But they’ve actually issued a real and this shows the heart of where the anti-faith group is, Rick, that this role simply says that you have to apply the rights of the First Amendment from the Constitution of the United States if you’re a public university to people of faith.

Now, how outlandish is that? How cutting edge is that? And yet, it just shows that these public institutions have not been doing that up to this particular point in time. Then it says, as to private institutions, you have to simply comply with whatever First Amendment rights you give other students, you have to give them to people of faith as well. Those two things are huge.

But the other thing it does, Rick, that’s so important, is it says that for faith organization, they get the same rights and privileges on college campuses, as non-faith organizations as they should be, as the Constitution protects them to do. And both of those two major things are just absolutely huge in terms of protecting the rights of students when they go to institutions of higher learning across this country today.

The 14th Amendment


And some people, Randy, that are listening that have been through our constitution classes, and they study these things and care about these things. They’re thinking, well, yeah, that’s right there in 14th Amendment equal protection, freedom of speech in the First Amendment, why are we having to spell this out for the universities that are supposed to be educating our kids on these very things? I mean, it kind of tells you the state of our education system, especially at the university level.


It shows the state of the education system. But the other thing, Rick, it does is kind of a clarion of bill to all of us that you cannot let down your guard. Christians have this tendency to think oh, my gosh, well, we fought a battle, we can now go home and rest and live our lives and raise our families. That’s not true. You have to constantly be vigilant. You have to be watched from the wall. But you know, we think there’s this evolution that we see in many people in the church today.

They go from just sitting in a pew to the point where they start praying for the country, to a point where once they start doing that, they literally become watchmen on the wall and start seeing what’s going on and then they start engaging. And once they do, you see just how higher education has tried to take any concepts have faith out of the marketplace of ideas completely, because they’re afraid that in the marketplace of ideas, truth will win out. And we all know that our faith is based on truth, it will went out unless they are successful in taking it out of that marketplace of ideas.

Congressional Prayer Caucus Foundation


Well, you guys continue to help our government get this right through the Congressional Prayer Caucus Foundation, you all are doing great work around the country. cpcfoundation.com is the website. And of course with Chuck Norris has endorsement, I don’t think anybody’s not allowed to join and help, right? I mean, once Chuck says join, it’s just…


That’s exactly. We have all these great quotes and all that you can use at jokes that people use, but they all apply when you’re in that fight for faith too. So he’s a great guy to have on your side.


Well, I love what you guys are doing. And I’m really encouraged. I really am. I mean, I know a lot of people, they’re not so sure and a lot of bad stuff happened in 2020. But man, I’m just encouraged by what I’m seeing. And I want to zero in on what you said is we’re closing out here about not just getting a victory, and then going home and forgetting about it.

Because even as the election approaches, regardless of which way this thing goes, and I’m praying for a great victory across the country, we need to encourage people, hey, that’s not the end, that’s the beginning. And this is a fight we need to take to our local school boards, our city councils. We need to be vigilant as citizens, and that’s what you guys are helping people to do through the Congressional Prayer Caucus.


And Rick, we should be as Christians excited. I mean, I look at us now like the guy that’s been sitting on the bench for so long, and the Lord just looks to us and says, hey, get in the game. I mean, this is an opportunity we look around at the country. This is why the church is here. We’re not here for just the good times. We’re here to help protect the country and to be light in darkness.


And I don’t look at this as how do we just save everything we had from yesterday? I’m looking at this as an exciting opportunity. God’s causing some shaking. He’s allowing some shaking to take place. We’re going to see things that are going to be lasting eternity that continue to stand.

But we ought to be getting up as Christians every day and excited to turn the corner and say, what does tomorrow have for God’s people? And how are we going to be a part of bringing that about? That’s the excitement that I feel in the air, not the dread that so many people love to focus on.


I love that. Well, let’s encourage people to get on your email list where they can join these congressional teller briefings. Because I think it’s part of the reason guys like you and me and David and Tim, have more hope than others, maybe is because we’re seeing some of what’s happening behind the scenes, we see some of these great leaders that God has raised up, and some of our friends at home, they don’t see that.

They just see the negative and they just see the negative reports. And so by dialing into these and getting on your email list, they get to hear those positive reports and see what’s happening with some of the good guys and gals. And the best place to do that, I guess is the website CPC Foundation…


Yes, they can go to cpcf.com. And Rick again, I end up where I started by thanking you for being a voice out there. We’ve got many legacies of faith. Every time I hear people across the country, we have 41 State legislators now that have pair clocks, there’s exciting things going on in the States. When you hear the reports of what God’s doing, it encourages all of us.

Biographical Sketches

And so I really encourage people across the country to get just get a stand up and listen to what God is really doing. And don’t be baffled by all of the stuff that you hear that’s faults out there and the bad stuff. You know, God’s doing some great things. God’s still on the throne. Jesus is still alive. The Bible is still the Word of God. Those three things haven’t changed, and they will get us through any kind of darkness that the world might throw at us.


Amen. So good. Cpcfoundation.com. Folks, get signed up there and then share it with your friends and family. Be a force multiplier of this great information. And man, I mean, be encouraged and don’t stop November 3rd. Randy Forbes. God bless you, brother. Thanks so much for coming on.


Thanks, Rick. Have a great day.


You too. Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim.


Hi, friends, this is Tim Barton of WallBuilders. This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. And I know oftentimes we, parents, we’re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

And if you remember back to the Bible, to the book of Hebrews, it has the faith Hall of Fame where they outline the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans, we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes, not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity in our faith as well.

The Courageous Leaders Collection

I want to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called The Courageous Leaders collection. And this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers.

And there’s a second collection called Heroes of History. In this collection, you’ll read about people like Benjamin Franklin or Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman, friends, the list goes on and on. This is a great collection for your young person to have and read and it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at www.wallbuilders.com. That’s www.wallbuilders.com.


We’re back here on WallBuilders live. Thanks for staying with us. And thanks to congressman, Randy Forbes for joining us as well. Back with David and Tim Barton. And so I didn’t realize, guys, I mean, I knew about the executive orders, I did not know that the Department of Education was also pushing on this front.

This could really start a snowball effect almost dominoes falling across the country, especially if we can get state legislators to jump on board and say, look, we’re going to defund the Left at the universities that we’ve been funding, we give billions from each state to the colleges. They could say the same thing. Look, you’re going to teach any of these destructive things against America, we’re not going to fund you.

Indoctrination Centers


Well, the problem we’ve had with universities for a bit is that they are often handled by state dollars, at least state universities are their private colleges, of course. The state universities have state dollars. And one of the things we pointed out to legislators over the last couple years is you know, that means everybody in the state should have access to this education. But that’s really not the way it’s occurring right now.

We find that the most recent stats are for every one Republican professor at university level, there are 28 Democrat professors at university level. And they’re not Democrats in the old school way of JFK, they’re democrats in the super progressive way, a far Left that would like to see America fundamentally destroyed and shifted. Critical race theory is a big deal to them, because they believe that they want to see that type of shift. And so what they do is they shut out dissenting voices.

And so across the country right now, almost two-thirds of universities have some type of policy that limits free speech, particularly if it’s conservative. We saw polling even a week ago where that now, three out of four students, particularly conservative students, are afraid to speak out on college campuses for being attacked by the professor or disciplined or given a lower grade or whatever. So they really have turned these institutions into indoctrination centers, rather than schools of learning they should serve all the students in the state, they’re now serving the left more than anything else.


And it’s not just professors that students are afraid of it, certainly their peers. We’re seeing a growing movement, if you’re watching the news, there are times when people are assaulted for wearing a Trump t-shirt or wearing a mag a hat or for having a Trump flag. You are seeing the intolerance of the Left, and certainly this happens on college campuses as well.

Preventing the Presentation of Truth

And one of the things, Randy pointed out, right, is that the left has to stop the presentation of truth because they don’t have a response for it. So if you’re presenting truth, well, then I’m going to call you names. You’re hateful. You’re bigoted. You’re racist. We can’t have an honest conversation about the topic and the content of what we’re dealing with, but you’re not to call names. And because in some situations, if you’re a Christian or if you are a conservative, if you’re Republican, if you support President Trump, then you are a racist.

And actually, what we hear people say is that racist are just like Nazis and Nazis should be punched in the face, and therefore if someone has a racists, they should be punched in the face. But if you support President Trump, then you are a racist. That means, if you support Trump, you should be punched in the face. This is kind of the building blocks of what people are saying, and it’s why you’re seeing this level of hostility.

And I think it’s crazy as was pointed out in the interview. The idea that we’re telling institutions, hey, you need to get First Amendment rights to your students, like that should have been the most basic starting place for everybody. But the fact that that’s not where we are anymore is very telling. Or the idea for private institutions is that you can’t discriminate based on the beliefs of an individual.

If you’re going to have rights of clubs or whatever else on the campus, you have to get the same rights to the Christians. It’s crazy that we’re in that place and yet the really good news is that Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos are people standing up fighting and defending those college students’ rights on campuses.

Protecting Our Nation Through Education – With Randy Forbes


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