Religious Populations Growing Worldwide Over Atheism And More – Religious populations are growing faster than atheism worldwide. Victory happens in court: North Carolina agrees to release voting records and more!

Air Date: 03/04/2022

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton

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Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live, we are taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Thanks for being a part of that and joining us.

My name is Rick Green. I’m a former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach. I’m here with David Barton, he’s America’s premier historian and the founder of WallBuilders, and Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders. All three of us you can learn more about at wallbuilderslive.com, wallBuildersLivelive.com And, of course, WallBuilders comes out of that scripture in Nehemiah that says our rise and rebuild the walls that we may no longer be able to approach.

Fridays are kind of special around here. We call them Good News Friday because it’s a chance for us to catch up on the good stuff. I know there’s bad stuff, right? I mean, I do this front porch live every Sunday night where I go live on Facebook and rumble and all the social media. And I just go through the good, the bad, and the ugly of the last week, been doing that for about a year and a half, really enjoy doing it. But I addressed the good, the bad, the ugly.

But where did I get that idea? From David Barton, because he’s always taught history that way, you got to look at the good, the bad, and the ugly. We can learn from all of it and we need to learn from all of it. And so we do that here at WallBuilders. But on Fridays, we emphasize the good, we zero in on victories out there where individuals like yourself did something in the local community and got great results, where people in public office did the right thing and got good results, or there’s victories in the courts or whatever it might be. I don’t know where David and Tim are going to take us today. They’ve got all kinds of good news to share with us and that’s what we do here on Friday at WallBuilders Live.

Alright, gentlemen, let’s dive into my favorite part of the week for WallBuilders Live. Let’s get some of that good news. David, first piece of good news this week.

David:

Well, I’m going to go with something that’s happening with, I guess, you would call it timing literally. Rick, I will go back to previous campaigns, you were involved in earlier campaigns. Now recall back at the time that Nixon was running for office, the average soundbite that you had in a campaign was around 68 seconds. So imagine Trump having 68 seconds own air instead of the little 15 word clips or 5 word clips they pulled. That’s where it was with Nixon. And by the time he got to when you were elected to office, Rick, it was down to about 6.8 seconds is all your soundbite was. And so you hardly get a thought in there. You barely get a sentence in there. But we’ve seen something recent…

Rick:

And certainly no context, right, I mean, you might get a sentence, but there’s no content. Yeah.

David:

A context is whatever the person who’s playing the clip puts on it, they’ll introduce it the way they want to and they’ll conclude it the way they want to and they’ll use your clip. And you could have been talking about summer, and they’ll make it sound like a quote from winner or whatever, they’ll just change it. So there’s not enough for context.

But we started seeing and the last two to three years, and by the way, even just three years ago, we were saying hey, YouTube videos need to be down around that 3-5 minute mark, maybe 7-8 minutes tops, and we’ve seen things start changing now. And podcasts are starting to go 40, 45, 50 minutes; Joe Rogan, let’s go three hours, things are changing. And so a poll was done recently asking evangelical Christians at church, what do you think about sermon length? Do you want more, or do you want less? What do you think? And it’s interesting, only 7% of people at church said they wanted shorter sermons, which is really good. With the trend for short, it’s good that it’s not taken on the church.

Tim:

Well, I think that also was 7% of evangelical. So it’s…

David:

It was evangelicals, right.

Tim: It is a little bit of a smaller group. But it’s actually people who want to grow right in their faith and people that want to grow in their faith, say, yeah, don’t shorten the sermon, I’m trying to grow. I want to be fed. I want to learn something here. Because I remember reading that study when it came out as well and interesting there were many people it was maybe 50%, or something around that numbers that we’re actually pretty content with the length we have right now. But then you did have a smaller, I don’t know if it’s 20 or something percent…

David:

Well, there was 30%, who said we want more in depth teaching. We want to go a lot deeper into things and we felt like we’re just getting superficial stuff, which is I think the number you’re talking about.

Tim:

Yeah. And that’s where to me, it’s interesting that we we’ve discussed so often just in our own personal conversations with different kinds of groups and friends that we are seeing that people are hungrier for truth now than ever. And especially, it’s interesting to see Christians who are really pursuing and wanting to grow in the Lord, wanting to grow in the knowledge of the word. And so that is an encouraging thought.

And actually, it’s probably good for all pastors listening out there, right, knowing that people want to grow in the world, they want to know more, they want to see how the Bible applies to their life, how the Bible applies, not just in their guest spiritual life, but also how they walk it out in culture. So there is a lot of interesting takeaways from this.

And so, for those of you listening, it’s probably something even worth encouraging or reminding your pastor in the midst of people still thinking that we need these cookie cutter services, where you have 25 minutes, you have 30 minutes, you have 35 minutes and you better be done, the reality is for so many of us, we would love to have even more time growing in the Word, growing in the Lord, being fed. And so it’s probably something worth sharing with your pastor and just encouraging your pastor and let them know, hey, we appreciate what you’re doing. And if you were taking extra 5 minutes, extra 10 minutes, right, just encourage them, we would love to learn more and grow more in the Word. So that was a really cool study that came out.

Rick:

Yeah, very good study. Alright, Tim, right back at you, man, what’s your first piece of good news today?

Tim:

Well, this one is related to a college basketball coach, Rick Barnes used to be at the University of Texas, he’s now at the University of Tennessee. And something I didn’t know about him until I actually read this article was that he was a Christian and that his faith was very important to him. But what was interesting about this article, the title of the article says “College Basketball Coach Sends Bible Verses, Daily Prayers to ESPN’s Dick Vitale amid Cancer Battle”. So, Dick Vitale, he’s 80 something years old. He’s been battling cancer for a while…

David:

And actually, a bunch of it, he’s got melanoma, he’s got lymphoma, he’s got vocal cord stuff. I mean, he’s got a bunch of battles going.

Tim:

And he recently posted that he was so encouraged that head coach Rick Barnes sends him these frequent or I guess at times, even a daily prayer. Here’s the tweet that he sent out “During Texas game vs Vols I shared that @RickBarnesUT sends me a DAILY PRAYER to lift my spirits in my battles vs Melanoma, Lymphoma, & my vocal cord problem. I was shocked when he started doing this .This AM after a tough L at Texas he sends me this…” And he shared the prayer.

And one of the things I thought was so beautiful about this is not only that we’ve identified before, there are some really great college coaches that have the right kind of value system. And so whether it be like a Dabo Swinney, some of these football coaches we’ve talked about, or even some of the basketball coaches, we’ve seen guys that are motivated by faith and want to encourage their players in faith.

It’s really encouraging as we look in the academic world. And so often, we are overwhelmed by really kind of depravity on some level of colleges and the nonsense that university professors are sharing. And we’ve even been very open that we don’t encourage most people go to college these days; because first of all, you’re paying a lot of money for a degree that’s not always very helpful for you in your career. We know that approximately 25% of college graduates are actually working in the field that their degree is from. So the vast majority of people, their degree is not actually helping them in what they are doing.

On top of it, if you are going into debt, and then you’re having to deal with this brainwashing from these professors, and we know that statistically, the vast majority of students that go to universities professing to be Christians will reject their faith before they leave that university because of all the nonsense they’re getting. So generally speaking, we’re not a fan of encouraging people to go to universities, unless we would certainly say, right, for every young person, you need to pray and see if you feel God leading you a certain direction. And if you’re going to be a doctor, if you’re going to be a lawyer, if you’re going to be an engineer, please go to college, right, that that would be great. We would like for you to be trained in those areas. But for so many other areas, college isn’t necessarily the best avenue and it’s not as valuable as it used to be.

With all that being said, it’s always fun and encouraging when you see really good individuals, whether they be coaches, whether they be professors at universities working in ways to make positive changes in differences. But this one was just so encouraging because you have two pretty well known people in college basketball world, the Dick Vitale with Rick Barnes and talking about faith and how faith is important to them and relying on faith. And actually, Barnes, even when he said that prayer after they just had a tough loss to say, you know, hey, I’m thinking of you, praying for you. Here’s, right, whatever this is for the day that he is not consumed, even by the sport of basketball, that he’s not overwhelmed by a loss.

He was asked about these encouraging prayers and notes he was sending to Dick Vitale, and Rick Barnes said that his involvement in what he’s done for cancer, meaning Dick Vitale has been remarkable. He’s impacted so many lives. And I think God is using him in a great way. So even when he was asked, why are you doing this? He even deflect it from him being important, he said, look, Dick Vitale, he’s such an important voice, and God is using him in great ways.

But even for a college coach to recognize that God is using someone, anyway, the whole thing just struck me as such a positive note when we have seen so many negative things coming from universities. This one really stands out as people of faith recognizing faith and even tweeting when they have so many people following them and they’re open about their faith, just a really cool story.

Rick:

I guess we still got a little time before our break. David, what’s our next piece of good news?

David:

Next piece of good news deals with the growth of religion worldwide. Certainly, we have seen in America the growth of secularism at a very rapid rate. The fall of traditional religious faith in America is very marked. And2,085% of Americans said they identified as Christians. Last year, it was down to 65%. It’s down in the 50s now. We’re told that those who attend church way under half the nation, so it’s way down. But the world is going in a very different direction.

And that was really encouraging to see because with all the world growth, you actually have the room religious side outpacing the atheist side for example, like 8:1, I mean, it’s really noted while there are more atheists now in the world than there were 20 years ago, percentage-wise of growth, there’s more people in the world. And so the faith side has really taken off. Now, if you guys can think of global demographics, what do you think would be the two fastest growing aspects of Christian professing faith in the world? I mean, don’t think just of US, because that’s our problem. We know what’s in the US. If you think outside that, what do you think’s growing fastest in the world?

Tim:

Now, are you saying outside of Christianity?

David:

No, in Christianity. The two fastest growing parts of Christianity.

Tim:

Now, are we saying parts like denominations or?

David:

You can call it that. What flavors if you want of Christianity are taking off? And this is surprising to me. This is very surprising.

Tim:

Well, yeah, I’m just trying to think of how to even answer this question. Because if we’re looking at specific denominations, and then I’m thinking, okay, what a worldwide denominations, because we know that Methodists, I think Africa, right, is where the Methodist have a pretty big following, pretty big, strong church group. We know that there are some massive churches over in Asia, and I don’t know who they’re affiliated with. So that’s hard for me to say.

Now, what I do know is that in Iran, Iran is one of the places that has an explosion of Christianity, revival is happening in Iran. This is one of the places where Muslim people are having visions and dreams, and Jesus is being revealed to them. So my first thought is maybe something significant note things inside of Christianity, the growth of Christianity, I would think Iran is probably one of those.

David:

Now, that’s geographic locations. And geographic locations, number one for Christian growth is Africa, number two is Asia, and number three is Latin America. So that’s the overall areas where Christianity is growing. What flavor of Christian teaching do you think is growing most?

Rick:

See, all I can think about when you say flavor is cookies and cream, so I’m distracted by flavor.

David:

No natural being vanilla, bro, it’s natural being vanilla.

Rick:

And by flavor, you don’t necessarily mean denomination. I can tell there’s something else you’re searching for here and I’m not getting it.

David:

Yeah, there’s sometimes manifested in denominations, and let me just get the bottom line. What it is, is groups that are known for being very Bible-oriented, I mean, they’re not social justice warriors. They’re the ones who are teaching the Bible in very practical ways with a huge emphasis on the authority of God’s Word in all of your life.

Rick:

Well, almost an intellectual Christianity, it sounds like, I mean, I don’t know if that’s the right way to say it. But…

David:

Well, it’s gone beyond just the heart of I’ve experienced Christ, and now I’m done. It’s I’ve experienced Christ and now I want to grow and mature and be a good disciple and I want to really make a difference.

Tim:

And that it sounds like practical Christian. Yeah.

David:

Practical Christian, exactly right. And that’s what’s growing. So that the single largest faith group in the world are Catholics. The number two faith group in the world right now are Pentecostals and Charismatics. And I never would have guessed that. And right behind that as Evangelicals. So Evangelicals and Pentecostals, Charismatics are both growing at very rapid rate globally. And yes, there are doctrinal differences between Evangelicals and Pentecostals and Charismatics. But all three of them focus on the authority of God’s Word. And they really do emphasize taking God’s word and to everything you do letting it affect your family and your business, your education, everything else.

And I thought that was really good news that the growth and that’s especially means alright, we’re looking at Africa, we’re looking at Asia, looking at Latin America, as that growth happens, you’re going to see those cultures change, and you’re going to see what’s in that culture. You know, maybe it’s a little bit like William Wilberforce in England as that culture started changing under Whitfield, and Wesley’s and those guys, and they got more Bible and more oriented on living your faith out in what they call reformation of manners, you saw the policies change. And I think that bodes well for the future that we’re seeing, that kind of growth in those areas, and it’s really focused on those who are emphasizing the Bible as the basis of life.

Rick:

Well, we know that’s very good news, because we know what the result of that is, right? We know that that means not only are people better Christians, better disciples and end up with better lives as a result. But it means a better community. It means a better society. They become better citizens as well. It’s at the heart of course of what we need to do. We even talked about it yesterday on Foundation of Freedom Thursday, getting back into God’s Word. So, that’s really, really good news. Hey, guys, quick break, we’ll be right back. We’ve got more good news for you folks. Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

AMERICAN HISTORY

Hi, friends, this is Tim Barton of WallBuilders. This is a time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. And I know oftentimes we, parents, we’re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

And if you remember back to the Bible, to the book of Hebrews, it has the faith Hall of Fame where they outline the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans, we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes, not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity in our faith as well.

I want to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called The Courageous Leaders collection. And this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers. And there’s a second collection called Heroes of History. In this collection, you’ll read about people like Benjamin Franklin or Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman; friends, the list goes on and on. This is a great collection for your young person to have and read and it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at www.wallbuilders.com. That’s www.wallbuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Good News Friday today. Thanks for staying with us. Let’s jump into some more good news. Tim Barton with the next piece of good news. Tim.

Tim:

Well, guys, this one comes from North Carolina, it deals with voting issues. And specifically, the article headline says “North Carolina agrees to release records showing foreigners voted.” There was a lawsuit after the last election and the public interest legal foundation brought the lawsuit in federal court challenging that North Carolina need to be able to, according to the National Voter Registration Act, identify individuals who had voted in the last election, which doesn’t tell you who they voted for, but just seeing kind of who was on the voter rolls.

And North Carolina did want to release that, which is kind of interesting. Why don’t you want to let people know who actually voted? Come to find out the suspicion was that there was people voting who should not be voting and North Carolina didn’t want to release those records. So there was a victory in court, they were forced to release those records. And they have discovered that there were actually foreigners who voted in that election. Now, this isn’t sound like…

David:

You know, this is so strange, because you’ve got New York City who just made the policy that they want all foreigners voting their elections, they’re very open about that, they’re talking about this as a good thing for this city, it’s like, oh, my gosh!

Tim:

Which of course, that’s not a good thing for the city and some of the founding fathers were pretty clear on as well. With that being said, you know, this is also reflective that different states get to determine some of their own state voting laws, because California’s voting laws, very different than Texas voting laws, right. New York’s voting law is very different than Arkansas, or Georgia, or Florida’s voting laws. And so different states do have the ability and capacity to create their own laws that will impact how elections go.

But in North Carolina, as it should be everywhere, you’re supposed to be a US citizen, you’re supposed to live in the state. And if you’re voting in a specific county, if you’re voting for somebody right at a county race or local race, so you’re supposed to be in that locality, you’re supposed to be in that county where you are voting, like this just should be common sense. Now, the reason this is good news, because we could look and we could go, oh, my gosh, it’s election fraud and this is so bad. And it’s just further evidence there’s election fraud. No. No. The good news is that this is being exposed.

And here’s part of where the good news comes from. Over this last legislative cycle, there were more than 440 pieces of legislation introduced to help secure elections in states to try to prevent the nonsense from happening. Which if we go back and look at the 2020 presidential election, one of the things that is worth noting is that there were several states that did not follow the election laws of their own states, right. For example, there’s a couple states we can point to, they stopped counting in the middle of the night. They pick up several hours later and we know there was a massive jump. There was a spike in votes that came in and the spike went pretty much one direction, it was all for Democrats, it was all for Joe Biden.

What’s significant about it is in some of these states, like the law actually says once you start counting votes, you are not legally allowed to stop counting votes, you’re not allowed to leave the room, you’re not allowed to go back and get stuff and come back. They’re literally violating laws. Or when judges said we’re going to keep certain polls open or when different health officials said that we’re not going to require people to actually show up and present certain kinds of ID, there were actual laws that were being violated. And had merely those laws been followed, it’s estimated that President Trump could have won the election with 330 Electoral College votes. And not to back up in retrospect…

David:

Which by the way, that means a landslide, that’s not just squeaking it out. Had the laws been followed, according to the calculations, it would have been a landslide, he only needed 270, he would have had 330.

Tim:

With all that being said, here’s where the good news is, is that states are actually now doing things to secure their elections, to protect the integrity of the elections. And dad, and Rick, we’ve talked with a lot of people who are very concerned about elections going forward, and we’re never going to win another election because there’s cheating and there’s fraud and is ever going to happen? Well, there’s no doubt, there will always be people trying to cheat. It’s kind of like saying, as long as there are people somewhere, there’s going to be sin, right. Like, that’s the reality. There will be people motivated by winning moreso than actually having fair and honest and transparent elections.

The good news here in North Carolina is that they’re fighting for transparency, and they won in federal court, there will be a level of transparency and then they can work to have positive legislation to secure those elections where they are. And dad, I do think it’s worth noting, as we’ve talked about recently, people have been very concerned about some of these Dominion voting machines and is there fraud and can we ever have an honest and fair election again?

And one of the interesting case studies is looking at Virginia, because Virginia, they used Dominion voting machines, and yet Younkin, a Republican won in Virginia when people thought we’re never going to win another big election with a Republican if we use Dominion voting machines, because there’s fraud and cheat in the algorithms, whatever else.

But the reality is there was a Dominion voting machine, but because there were several factors involved, you had a overperformance from rural areas where they showed up, I think it’s like 12-14% higher than what they did in even the last presidential election, which is huge, because usually in midterm off your elections you don’t have nearly as many people, right, this was a super weird year elections of the year after the presidential election, they had their governor’s election, but you had an overperformance of people showing up you. You actually had churches getting involved. And they had individuals from the churches who went and they became professionally and officially trained to be able to be poll watchers.

And one of the things that we know for mail-in ballots is there’s some basic standards you have to have for a mail-in ballot to be considered viable, or legal. There has to be a name. There has to be an address. There has to be a signature. There needs to be the last for the Social Security. And so use that poll watchers there and they would identify oops, that ballot doesn’t have a signature, oops, that ballot doesn’t so security number, oh, that ballot doesn’t have an address, that ballot doesn’t have a name.

They were able to identify what arguably would have been fraudulent ballots or ballots that were not properly filled out at the least more likely fraudulent ballots. And 5.2% of those ballots that were coming in they identified did not have the proper whatever it was, whether it be signature…

David:

They weren’t following the law basically.

Tim:

Right. They were not properly filled out and so you can’t count these votes. Because ultimately, right, somebody could have found a stack of ballots and they could have just written addresses, names and whatever. And no, there has to be some basic process that is followed in this. So they identified, well, that wasn’t right. And then there was churches that were activating their own congregations, and they registered a brand new 77,000 Christians who had never voted before. And they voted for the first time in this election.

Well, Younkin one by 66,000 votes. And when you look at the people who got involved in what they were doing, they overperformed expectations on so many levels and it led to a victory, even though there were Dominion voting machines. So guys, to me, I think there’s a lot of good news that a state work to get more transparency, a state work to have more accountability, a state work to secure their elections. As we’re doing the right things to say let’s just follow the law in the sense of a voting term, I do think this is something that for everybody listening, they should never be discouraged or frustrated or overwhelmed thinking we’re not going to win again because of these Dominion voting machines, etc.

The reality is if Christians show up, if they do their job, if they recruit people to come, if we have people watching at the polls to try to help prevent the fraud, there’s a lot of very basic and simple things that can be done to help protect the security of elections.

David:

Yeah, and you cannot get into the thing of the conspiracy is going to beat me every time. You got to do the John Quincy Adams thing where he said duty is ours, results are God’s. And enough people in Virginia did their duty that the results turned out to be very different. So had we listened to all the people who said, oh, it’s Dominion voting machines, and this is not saying Dominion is clean. Oh my gosh, there’s three lawsuits going right now involving Dominion and they’re trying really hard not to have to reveal anything that they have, which makes you doesn’t pass the smell test. I mean, if there’s nothing to hide, why are you hiding it? So there’s a lot going on. But this is just to encourage and say, hey, we can make a difference. And this is a great example of making that difference.

Rick:

Alright, folks, I know we could do good news all day and there’s a lot more out there. And you probably enjoy hearing the good news as much as we enjoy sharing it. But we are out of time for today. So make sure you hit our website wallbuilderslive.com, click in the archive section, and you can get all the good news you want. We’ve got all the Friday programs from the previous weeks and months in there so you can listen to some of that good news you might have missed on those previous programs.

There’s also a lot you can do to take action right there in your community. The biggest thing that’s happening right now that we see across the country is that citizens are getting involved that never got involved before. Now, you may have been an active citizen for years, and maybe right now you’re looking at what’s going on in the country and saying I need to do more. Or you may be someone that hasn’t been involved before, maybe you’ve just listened to some of these things, but you’ve never actually taken the steps to be an activist in your community, when I say activist, I mean, simply engaging with your fellow citizens at church or in your neighborhood or even in your own family in your home, and maybe now you’re saying, okay, times are serious enough that I’ve got to do something.

And in fact, I was just giving a talk in Arizona and I talked about the fact that we don’t have to despair when we see the bad policies and the bad results in America. We know what’s causing that. We look at the root cause and the bad principles that are being implemented are of course going to produce bad policy. So you got bad leaders doing bad principals and the results because of the bad policies they put in place, it gives us bad results. Well, we don’t have to look at that in despair. We look at that and go okay, we know what’s causing it. We need to change the cause to get a different effect.

And so instead of having despair or checking out of the system, we might have to change our focus, we might have to say hey, I need to spend more time, more money, more effort on my nation, on freedom, I’m going to shift some of my priorities so that I can spend more time teaching Constitution classes or doing voter guides or encouraging other people to get involved, maybe hosting an event in my community. I’m going to shift my priorities and spend more money in the area of freedom by supporting WallBuilders Live, by supporting Patriot Academy, by supporting candidates in my community. Those are all things that every single one of us can do.

We can shift some of our focus, some of our finances into the fight for freedom. And I’m going to challenge you to do that. There’s a lot of ways to do that. But the easiest thing, the thing that is exploding like crazy across the country is people are hosting biblical citizenship classes in their homes, at their churches, at the local library. Wherever you can get people together, you don’t have to have any experience or any expertise, we bring all that to the table. You’ll learn from David Barton, Tim Barton, Kirk Cameron, Congressman Barry Loudermilk, Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Bob McEwen, Charlie Kirk, all these people, you’re going to learn from them how to be a biblical citizen, and you’ll be helping your friends and family and neighbors to do the same.

Earlier this week we actually played here on WallBuilders Live week to have that eight week series called Biblical Citizenship. You can get the entire course today at biblicalcitizens.com. And by the way, mark your calendars, we’re going to start doing some events across the country where we kind of bring a live version of biblical citizenship to your community. So get ready for that. If you’re in the Dallas Fort Worth area, we’ll be doing one on April 23rd. And if you’re in the northeast area, we’re going to be doing one at the monument to the forefathers on May 5th. So, a lot of cool stuff coming up, a lot of ways for you to get plugged in, find out more at our website today at wallbuilderslive.com. Thanks so much for listening to WallBuilders Live.