Restore a Christian Worldview in America – How Do We Do It? In some areas we’re doing well in the culture and in some areas we’re losing. Gallup is saying that there’s now record support for gay relations and polygamy while a plurality still opposes abortion. Tune in today as we discuss how to turn that around and bring back a biblical worldview.

Air Date: 07/23/2018

Guest: John Stonestreet

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

You’ve found your way to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! We’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. Always from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Very important to have that worldview, to have that right perspective, as we look at these major issues of the day.

Later in the program, John Stonestreet will be with us. He’s a co-host with Eric Metaxas over at Breakpoint Radio. We’ll be talking about that worldview and how to restore that. In some areas we’re doing well in the culture in some areas we’re losing. And we’ve got to figure out how to turn that around and bring back that biblical worldview.

Starting that conversation today is David Barton. He’s America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders. Tim Barton’s with us, he’s a national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders. My name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.

Go to WallBuildersLive.com to find out more about the radio program and go to WallBuilders.com to find out more about our entire ministry. You can go there to find out about our legislators briefings, get your legislator to come in and get some training from WallBuilders. You can find out about our youth leadership programs. And you can also bring in speakers from WallBuilders to your church, or some sort of community program, or maybe even to your particular organization in helping to train your folks there at your organization on the biblical foundations of America.  So, check all of that out at WallBuilders.com.

David, Tim, John Stonestreet will be with us later in the program. Let’s talk a little bit about this article that came out. Gallup is saying that there’s now record support for gay relations and polygamy while a plurality still opposes abortion. So, that’s the headline and just to put that in context, I would say, simplifying that, we’re winning on the abortion issue, we’re losing on the marriage issue – at least in terms of public support. What do you guys say?

Losing Ground, Gaining Ground?

David:

And by the way it’s not just public support it’s among Christians. Where we’re losing ground is that among Christians the support for polygamy is growing and the acceptance of gay relations is growing.  

For Christians to do that-and I’ve made the distinction before, just because somebody calls themself a Christian doesn’t mean they’re Biblical. This may be a growing acceptance among Christians, but it’s not biblically correct. It’s not what the Bible says, it’s not what God says.  

We’ve talked to George Barna even in previous programs where he points out that right now nearly 70% professing Christians say that you can get to heaven other than through Jesus Christ. Bible says you can’t. So, those are Christians that don’t know what the Bible says, they’re shaped by the culture rather than the word.

We have 47 percent of Christians who say that Jesus sinned while he was on earth. I’m sorry, according to the Bible, if Jesus sinned then you cannot be redeemed from your sin because He had to be perfect so that when He died He was a perfect sacrifice to take away your sins. So, we’re talking basic biblical beliefs here where we’re falling behind. And among Christians– I don’t mean the culture– among Christians we’re falling behind.

Rick:

What would be–David, from your perspective, what do you think the root cause of that is? Is it because the individual is no longer really committed to spending time in God’s word and that sort of thing? Is it leadership in the church? I assume that’s an unfair question. I know it’s a lot of things, but what would you point to immediately?

David:

Well, I think it’s part of what you mentioned, Rick, it’s all of that. But the individual responsibility goes back on the individual. The individual doesn’t get to say, “Well, my pastor didn’t teach me that. So, I believe wrong because my pastor didn’t teach.” That doesn’t work. As individuals we have to be in God’s word.

Right now we know from polling that only 14 percent of Christians read the Bible on a daily basis. So, how do you know what the Bible says if you’re not in the Bible? And that’s one of the difficulties.

A Higher Standard

Tim:

Well, certainly it also is a poor reflection on pastors and on leadership. James 3:1 says, “Let not many of us want to be teachers knowing they’ll be held to a higher standard.” There is a higher standard placed on leadership. And the fact that if you’re the shepherd and you’re sheep aren’t doing you they need to do, right, you can say, “Hey, sheep, you’re old enough, you’re mature enough, you need to take care of yourself.” On some level that’s totally true. However, there is a level of responsibility on leadership.

So, if you’re the pastor and and your sheep, your people, are not spending time in the word you have to ask, “Well, have you really been challenging, and encouraging, and promoting, guys, we need to be reading the Bible every day.” So, there’s no doubt, if I don’t know the Bible I’m not going to blame my pastor as a 35 year old man. I’m going to say, well, that’s because I have not been reading that personally. However, if I attend a church were my pastor has never said, “Guys, you need to spend some time in the word, you need to know what the Bible says.” If I’ve never been encouraged to do that then really both of us are at fault.

David:

And I would add to that from the pastor’s standpoint, part of what he has a responsibility to do is not only to teach his flock, but he’s supposed to be a voice in the community for what is righteous and what is not. And I would argue that part of what the church is not doing is raising that standard. People are getting their standard from CNN, or from other media, or from social media, and the pastor ought to be saying, “Hey, you know what? Here’s the word out there, but let me tell you what the Bible says.” So, I agree, Tim, totally the pastor should be doing that, but he should also be a voice counteracting the climate in the culture. He needs to be a spokesman.

Why Pastors Have to Get Involved

Tim:

Sure. And I would even say for the younger generation, right, it’s not as much the news media as it is Hollywood, social media, YouTube–

David:

Yeah, great point.

Tim:

Reality TV shows–

David:

Great point.

Tim:

Because although you can certainly look at people 40s, 50s, and 60s, who are very much accepting of what is clearly not biblical positions, certainly for the younger generation it’s partly a lack for them of the knowledge of the word of God. But also, it is they’ve grown up in a culture that has promoted so much that is unbiblical in values that to them that is the normal standard. And because they don’t know what the word of God says, they see what culture is saying, it has shaped who they are and it’s shaped their thinking.

And this is why pastors have to get involved and say, “Hey guys, look, I know these TV shows, I know YouTube, I know social media, I know Hollywood is saying this. But guys, here’s what the Bible says and here’s why we have to shape our life on the Bible and not what all these outside influences think.” This is where pastors have to get involved in that help to help lead and guide the thinking of the next generation.

David:

That literally is nothing more than Biblical worldview, thinking like the Bible teaches us. And a guy who’s really good on biblical worldview is John Stonestreet. John Stonestreet has been involved in so many ministries and now he’s doing stuff with his own organization. He was back with Chuck Colson who was also doing worldview stuff. And Chuck had such an influential on so many members of Congress back in the day. So, John Stonestreet really is good on worldview and we thought, “Well, let’s ask John about this.” What do we do? How do we approach this changing dynamic of what Christians believe that is so wrong with the Bible? And see what kind of guidance John can give us.

Rick:

He’s the former executive director out at Summit Ministries, he’s now the president Colson Center for Christian Worldview. John Stonestreet, our special guest today. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From America’s History

This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. Today, there are numerous documented accounts of individual students being disciplined simply for bringing a Bible to school. Fisher Ames would have been appalled at this open hostility toward the Bible. Fisher Ames was the Founding Father who authored the House of Representatives language for the First Amendment.

In his day, he vehemently objected to any attempt to minimize the Bible schools. In fact, he declared, “Why should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? It’s morals are pure, its examples captivating, and Noble. The reverence for the sacred book that is thus early impressed last long and probably, if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind.”

Founding Father Fisher Ames, the man most responsible for the wording of the first amendment, believed that the most important schoolbook was the Bible. For more information on God’s hand in American history contact WallBuilders at 1 800 8 REBUILD.

Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. John Stonestreet’s with us. He’s the president of the Cultural Center for Christian Worldview. John, good to have you, man.

John Stonestreet:

Thanks, Rick, good to be on with you.

Rick:

Hey, listen, you’ve been doing worldview for decades. You did it at Summit, the Colson Center, your radio program’s all about Christian worldview. Tell me this – why are we winning on abortion in terms of worldview in this country and losing on marriage and gay relations.

Why Are We Winning on Abortion and Losing on Marriage?

John Stonestreet:

Well, there’s probably a lot of factors, but I think one of the things we’ve got to remember is is that almost always, not always, but almost always politics is downstream from culture. So, we’re seeing the political winds follow the cultural waves. And we’ve got things like ultrasounds, we’re able to look inside the womb. We have answered some of the big challenges presented by pro-choicers. I think specifically like, “Well, who’s going to take care of all these women? Who are gonna take care of all these children?” And a whole bunch of women across America, mostly Christian women, stepped up and said, “We will.”

Rick:

Yeah.

John Stonestreet:

And you add that to the knowledge we now have by being able to look inside the womb and it’s just hard to be pro-choice on any grounds other than, really, pure selfishness these days. That somehow my sexual choices trump the rights of a baby’s life. That’s really the inconsistency that we’re seeing and I think it’s leading to the pro-life shift in our culture. I think there’s a lot of work left to be done on that issue.

Rick:

Yeah.

John Stonestreet:

On the other hand, every song, movie, television show, that talks about gay marriage, talks about gay love, transgender identity, what it means to be human in terms of sexuality and marriage, is painting an imaginative picture of it in a way that promotes those rights. So, it’s captured the culture’s imagination. And they’ve also, that side of things, has captured the cultural levers of power. So, to speak out against it is to come with great social cost.

The Spiral of Silence

John Stonestreet:

That was actually Chuck Colson’s last speech was on the spiral of silence. And what he was talking about there was a phrase that comes out of Germany which is, essentially, when there’s great social cost of speaking out most people are silent.

Rick:

Yeah.

John Stonestreet:

And that’s what we’re seeing right now on the LGBT issues.

Rick:

Well, we’ve definitely seen results in their favor in terms of the culture moving that direction. Gallup now says record support for gay relations and polygamy. Like you said, it’s every song, every movie. They’ve been at this for a couple of decades now, or really three decades. And this new generation coming up, what do you see there? How do we win those hearts and minds, how do we show the positive side, how do we sell our values better? How do we convince this generation that a Christian worldview actually is going to make them happier, and more joyful, and they’re going to have better results, how do we do that better?

John Stonestreet:

Well, we’re going to have to realize how powerful the culture is. Look, when you and I were growing up the number one show on television, for example, in the 80s was the Cosby Show. I know that’s a loaded reference these days, but at that point you’re seeing the family being the center week in and week out. It’s where you go to get your problems solved for the entire decade of the 80s.

And then you go to the 90s and it’s Friends and Seinfeld were family is no longer the solution, family is the problem. Then you go to Will and Grace where Will is the guy where, a homosexual Will is where you go to get your problem solved. Now, you go to Modern Family which is family is whatever you want it to be. The reason I’m bringing this up is the cultural winds are strong–

Rick:

Yeah.

We’re Not Teaching Christian Worldview in a Vacuum

John Stonestreet:

–we’re not teaching Christian worldview in a vacuum, we’re not teaching the Christian vision of sexuality, marriage, design, gender, sexuality, is true in a vacuum. We’re doing it against really strong headwinds.  So, we’re going to have to do two things. Number one is we’re going to have to teach it. And that means articulating not just God’s morality when it comes to sex, but God’s reality, God’s design – how did God function sex, and marriage, and our sexuality? What did God intended for those things and why is it good?

And then we’re going to also, in our teaching, have to counter the lies. We have to hold it up and say, “You know, that’s a compelling case, but it’s not true and here’s why.” Apologetics is not something that’s an optional part of our toolkit, especially for our kids.

And the second thing is not just teaching it believing it. If we say that the Christian vision of marriage is better, but they don’t see it. If the divorce rates stay high inside the church, if addiction to things like pornography stay high inside the church, if they see that sort of hypocrisy we ain’t got a chance. It doesn’t matter how well we teach–

Rick:

That’s true.

John Stonestreet:

If we’re not living out what we say is true then they’re going to smell that from a mile away and we’re going to– it’s actually going to turn them against the truth.

Rick:

Yeah, and there’s a real hunger in this generation for authenticity and congruency. It’s part of the, even on the political side of things, they want to see conservative leaders. They say, “Okay, when Trump’s right, he’s right, but when he’s wrong we call him out on it and have some intellectual integrity there.” And they want to see that and in these areas as well.

Obviously– and I want to go back to your kind of the trend you showed in even in the television programs because even the role of the father there – you saw in the Cosby Show he had some wisdom to offer, he was loving, he cared, he wasn’t domineering just to be domineering, all those things. And then you saw dad become the idiot in the late 80s programs–

Are We Taking the Worldview Into These Spheres?

John Stonestreet:

Right.

Rick:

–and now almost a non-factor. What is the turnaround there? How do we as Christians better portray– and obviously, I would say your answer to the other applies here. We’ve got to have that at home as well. We’ve got to be doing that at home. But culturally are Christians taking worldview into, are we doing a decent enough job taking it into these various spheres – especially Hollywood and where these kids are getting their values?

John Stonestreet:

Well, no, I don’t think we are. And I think there’s two reasons for that. Number one is these sorts of things aren’t always welcome in Hollywood, right?

Rick:

Yeah.

John Stonestreet:

So, you can’t just kind of barge in and get a movie deal. But on the same time I think we have chosen often to tell moralizing stories. And I think this is one of the reasons that authenticity with this generation, living what we say we believe, is so powerful. Because look, the contemporary secular dogma when it comes to marriage and sexuality, when you see it lived out, it’s not attractive. It’s not compelling, it’s not full of life. But when you see a couple that’s stayed married, like my grandparents, 72 years, and cared for each other thick and thin, and built up this whole family legacy, that’s a compelling story.

Rick:

That’s right.

We Need to Tell These Stories

John Stonestreet:

And we need to tell those stories. We need to tell stories of hope and redemption. We need stories that capture the imagination – not just preach morality.

Rick;

That’s right.

John Stonestreet:

And that’s we mean by Christian worldview and I think sometimes we take the easy way. The leading story lines with the quick conversions, and the lack of suffering, and everything kind of happy go lucky–

Rick:

Right, right.

John Stonestreet:

–and that’s not really reality. And you compare that to some of the great stories in history like Chariots of Fire. I talking about that with some friends last night where a guy faced hardship, he did what was right, ended up after running in the Olympics going to China and getting martyred. That sounds a whole lot more like the biblical story–

Rick:

That’s right.

John Stonestreet:

–than some of the so-called Christian movies we have today.

Rick:

And, like you said, the reality.

John Stonestreet:

The reality.

Rick:

Yeah.

John Stonestreet:

That’s exactly right.

Outsourcing Is Not Going to Work

Rick:

No doubt, no doubt. John, good stuff. Okay, couple of, give me some websites we can point people to because I know they’re hungry also. I’ve noticed that in this generation – they’re looking for truth. They’re kind of tired of the–they’re already sensing the shifting sand is not a good thing and that they’re looking for truth to hold on to. Obviously, young people need to go to Summit, spend that time there, get that foundation. Some of your resources, websites, that our parents that are listening now can say, “How do I get better grounded to be that better example for those kids?”

John Stonestreet:

Well, that’s it. And listen, I’m going to tell you right now – outsourcing our kids worldview formation to someone else is not going to work.

Rick:

Good.

John Stonestreet:

You’ve got to use other organizations, and Summit’s the best in my opinion, but the best influence on the formation of our child’s worldview is going to be us as parents.

Rick:

That’s right.

John Stonestreet:

That’s why my friend, Brett Kunkle, and I wrote the book A Practical Guide to Culture. We tackled the major issues in culture from a Christian worldview. And we did it in a way writing to parents, grandparents, youth pastors, pastors, who have a vested interest in the next generation. How do you help the next generation navigate these tricky cultural waters? And we cover topics that are very specific like pornography, and sexual orientation, gender identity, racism, and everything else, but also the big cultural trends like technology and identity. So, I hope that would be a great resource for your audience.   Those that are really going to pour into the next generation.

And our daily commentaries – every single day on BreakPoint, which was the radio program founded by Chuck Colson, Eric Metaxas and I tackle issues. And I have so many parents that come up to me and say, “Hey, you’re part of our family because we read BreakPoint every night at the dinner table. It’s our dinner table conversation.” Especially if you have preteens and teenagers and you want to talk about the issues of the culture, then we provide that fodder in a short little three and a half minute commentary each and every day. So, BreakPoint.org is where you can find that.

Rick:

Good stuff. Alright, A Practical Guide to Culture is the book. The website BreakPoint.org. Tell Metaxas “Howdy” from the guys over here at WallBuilders. John, always good to have you, sir. Thanks for coming on.

John Stonestreet:

Hey, anytime. Thanks so much, Rick.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton .

Constitution Alive

Have you ever wanted to learn more about the United States Constitution but just felt like, man, the classes are boring or it’s just that old language from 200 years ago or I don’t know where to start? People want to know. But it gets frustrating because you don’t know where to look for truth about the Constitution either.

Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. It’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders’ library where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

We call it the QuickStart guide to the Constitution because in just a few hours through these videos you will learn the Citizen’s Guide to America’s Constitution.  You’ll learn what you need to do to help save our Constitutional Republic. It’s fun! It’s entertaining! And it’s going to inspire you to do your part to preserve freedom for future generations. It’s called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. You can find out more information on our website now at WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back! Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live. Thanks to John Stonestreet for joining us today as well. Back with David and Tim Barton now. Guys, love what he said about what you said may sound persuasive, but it’s still wrong, it still violates basic truths. That’s exactly what you were saying at the beginning, David, that we need to be willing to say as biblical worldview Christians.

The Focus on Emotional Appeal

Tim:

Rick, that’s one of the things that certainly as we work with young people we hear so often, the argument is not on what is true, it’s not on what is this producing, not what fruit is this producing, not on the consequences, it’s very much an emotional appeal. And this is where so much the next generation has been pulled away from what used to be traditional biblical standards. Now, certainly, we don’t know the Bible very well. Statistically–

David:

I’ve got to add, Tim, it’s just not the next generation, it’s also this generation that’s being pulled away from it. It’s really– I’m surprised at how much even the older generation is shifting in that direction. But you’re right, it’s the younger generation for sure, but–

Tim:

Sure.

David:

–my guys, my generation, too, is moving the wrong direction.

Tim:

Well, and there’s no doubt. Culture is just pulling towards a lot of this licentiousness, a lot of godliness, things that are not good. But working with young people, what we see is the appeal is on an emotional level. It’s not on any level of reason, or science, or faith. It very much is just– we joke with young people that it hits them in their “feels”, right. “Well, I feel this way” and “Well, I just, it hits me in my ‘feels’ and therefore I think–” And we’re very much an emotive driven culture and that’s why, and again, it’s because we’ve seen it all over social media, we’ve seen it on TV shows, we’ve seen it in all these outlets that are influencing us.

What’s Driving the Younger Generation?

Tim:

So, certainly I can see that’s what’s driving the younger generation away from having a biblical worldview. Again, on top of the fact they don’t know the Bible. Only 4 percent of millennials have a biblical worldview. Very similar for Generation Z, the generation just younger than millennials.

But it does make me curious– so, guys, you are obviously a generation in front of me. Do you think it’s the emotion that’s pulling y’alls generation further away from biblical standards? Or do you think it’s a different influence?

Rick:

Did you say it hits me in my feels? Was that the millennial expression there?

Tim:

Yeah, that is, it gets you in your feelings.

David:

Feels. Yes, it’s what–

Rick:  

Well, I’ll tell you what I’ll answer your question, but since you’re hitting me in my break time because we went long on the first two. So, we’re going to go to break real quick and then I’ll try answering your questions and David as well. We’ll be right back. Stay with us, folks. We’re going to find out if the older– did you notice that, David? Tim said we were the “older generation”. So, if the older generation is hitting the feels on this kind of stuff. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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If you remember back in the Bible, the Book of Hebrews it has the Faith Hall of Fame, where they outlined the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.

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This is a great collection for your young person to have and read. And it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. And now we’re going to answer Tim’s question to the old folks about what’s getting our generation. So, Tim said   the younger generation, it’s the feelings thing, being led by the feelings. I don’t know, David, I think sometimes the people I talk to my age it’s almost they’re just tired of fighting. They haven’t done well at losing and then getting back into the fight. The persistence and perseverance is not there. So, I don’t know. That’s the one thing that jumps out at me.

David:

Well, I would say that that’s part of it, but that does not explain– I can see them getting out of the fire because they’re tired of it, but that doesn’t explain why their values are shifting the wrong direction.

Rick:

Yeah.

Why the Shift in Values?

David:

And I think their values are shifting because–

Rick:

Well, because they want to be liked. They don’t want– they’re tired, maybe that is a feelings thing. It’s like I’m watching Christian’s right now that stood firm for 30, 40, years that are now catering and it’s like they want to be popular, they don’t want to be the bad guy anymore.

David:

Well, John said when there’s a great cost in speaking out most people are silent. And one of the problems we see out of the Bible is when Aaron was silent then God read that as, then, you’ve joined them. You’re no longer speaking out. So, Aaron got himself in trouble in the Bible because when Moses said something wrong God judged Moses, but then he turned to Aaron and said, “You know what? You had the opportunity to contradict what Moses said and you remained silent, so you get the same judgment too.” So, when you stop speaking out, even if it’s your leader that says something wrong, God made it really clear that your silence is a bad thing.   

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

So, I think when you become silent and stop speaking out because you don’t like being beat up, your beliefs start changing at that point and you have to have the responsibility of standing up and speaking out.

Tim:

Well, and guys, I think I remember having read somewhere that silence in the face of evil is itself evil.

Rick:

Amen.

Tim:

And it definitely seems like we have a lot of Christians who just are not thinking biblically, foundationally. We started off the program saying we’ve got to be in the Word. We have to know what the Bible says, we have to get back into the word. But if we know what is true we have to be people that will stand up and speak the truth and not be so concerned about the consequences that we don’t have the courage to do what’s right.

Rick:

That’s so good. So, good, guys. We’re out of time for today. Special thanks to John Stonestreet for joining us today. All of our listeners – thank you for listening, but then we also ask you to share the program, help spread the word. Be a voice, don’t be silent, be a voice in this culture that desperately needs truth. We’ve got the truth, we’ve got the light, let’s make sure that we’re sharing it. You can do that with all your social media apps and different ways to share the program.

Restore a Christian Worldview in America – How Do We Do It?

Rick:

You can also do it by donating to the program and being one of our listener supporters. We’re a listener supported program, so the more listeners that support, the more stations we can be on, the more we can spread this good news, the more of our trainings we can do for legislators, and young people, and pastors. So, you can do that by going to WallBuilders.com, that’s the main website, WallBuilders.com. You can make a one time contribution or become one of our monthly donors and that will help to spread this word and this truth and get more people educated, equipped, and inspired, so we can save our constitutional republic.

Thanks for listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.