Did Russia Intervene in the Civil War? Is the Government Supposed to Provide Federal Aid In Disasters? It’s Foundations of Freedom Thursday, a special day of the week where we get to answer questions from YOU, the listeners! Always answering your questions from Biblical, historical, and constitutional principles! Today we answer your questions such as: “€œDid Russia intervene in the Civil War to save the North against the South and Great Britain?”€ and “€œIs it the role of the federal government to provide aid in disaster or give to charity?”€ Tune in right here on WallBuilders Live as we dive into answering these questions!    

Air Date: 11/09/2017


Guests: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Thomas Jefferson Quote:
President Thomas Jefferson said, “€œI know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves. And if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.”€
Faith And The Culture

Rick:

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Foundations of Freedom Thursday!

Today’s Thursday, we try to do most Thursdays what we call Foundations of Freedom Thursday. It’s a chance for you to ask questions, or for us to dive into particular areas of the foundational principles behind our Constitution and Declaration. And we’re here with David and Tim to do that.

Guys, lots of questions from folks sending them in. Radio@WallBuilders.com is the place to do that- Radio@WallBuilders.com. A variety of questions today, so we’ll see how many you guys can answer quickly.
David:
I don’t know about quickly but we’ll give it a shot!

Rick:

As that came out of my mouth, I was thinking, “€œYou know that could be false advertising.”€
David:
That’s right.

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim:

Well, the first-

David:

Depends on what the questions are.
Tim:
Yeah, well, the first question is correct. The second one is not really. The third one is unconstitutional. I’m feeling good about it.

Rick:

Then we”€™re done for the day. There we go.

Tim:

I”€™m feeling good about it.

Did Russia Save the North against the South and the British During the Civil War?

Rick:

Yeah, yeah. All right.  Well, we’ve got a bunch. Let’s try one.

This one first from, let’s see.  I don’t actually have a name on this one.  So this one is from anonymous. It says, “€œRussia claims that they saved the U.S.-or the North, against the British during the Civil War against the South. Is this true? Who changed that history?”€

So this a new one for me guys. I did not even know Russia had claimed that. So I-

David:

The anonymous he or she provides- well, at least it is a he or a she.  That’s the only options we’ve got on this program.

Rick:

That”€™s the only ones.

David:

So it”€™s either a he or a she who sent this in.  Whoever Anonymous is. Read the quote-

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

Off the link they provide.

Rick:

Yeah, here’s what it says.  And of course, the reason that’s the only two options because we follow the Biblical idea that yeah, he created male and female. That’s the only ones that we have.

Did Russia Send Two Fleets- One to New York And the Other to San Francisco?

Anyway, “€œWhen the United States of America-“€  This is the quote, by the way, from a website.  “€œWhen the United States of America was at the brink of defeat by Confederates, who were Britain’s proxies, Russia’s sent its Baltic fleet to New York and its Pacific fleet to San Francisco to defend the United States of America from the intervention by Britain.”€

David:

So-

Rick:

Alright, this is new.  And like I said for me guys. So I’m clueless. I’m glad I get to just read the question and toss it to y”€™all.
David:
Let’s just do a couple of commonsense things here.  And I know that’s not real common on a lot of programs. But we’re going to do that. Which coast is great Britain from the United States?

Tim:

I’m thinking that’s Atlantic.

Russia Would Not Have Needed to Go to San Francisco To Fight An Attack From the British

David:

So why was the Russian fleet in San Francisco to defend us from invasion by the British?
Tim:
Well, with the globe spinning as it does.

David:

Yeah.

Tim:

As the world turns. It-

David:

That’s a soap opera.  That’s what-

Tim:

Ok.

David:

We’ve got here is a soap opera.

Tim:

Yeah.

David:

That’s not your generation”€™s soap opera.  That’s my grandparent”€™s generation. But nonetheless.  So first off, that doesn’t sound very logical.

Tim:

No.

David:

Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. And the next thing you have to ask is, “€œOk, if Russia was intervening to save us from Great Britain, was Great Britain involved in the Civil War on the Confederate side?”€

This Claim Doesn”€™t Make A Lot of Sense
Rick:
But wait, before you get to that because that one might be a little”€¦  People might be thinking, “€œOk, there could be something there.”€ I think the reason that Russia sent its Baltic fleet to New York and its Pacific fleet to San Francisco, is because Donald Trump tweeted out for them to do that, right? Was in-

Tim:

That collusion, yes.

Rick:

-in the Civil War.
David:
They were setting precedents for his election. They wanted some-

Rick:

-that”€™s-

David:

-communication going in the election.

Rick:

I”€™m sorry, that”€™s totally- I shouldn’t, I shouldn’t joke. Ok, alright. Yeah, because I”€™m not very funny for the-

David:

That”€™s alright, Mueller-

Rick:

-First reason.

David:

-has pointed out that he was never investigating Trump with Russia so that-

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

-that’s been the media claim for a year.

Rick:

Alright, you were about to be serious, David, and I took us-  Ok, go ahead.

Was Britain Even Involved On Either Side In the Civil War?
David:
But the question is “€œWas Great Britain going to get involved on any side in the Civil War? Or the Confederate side?”€
Tim:
Well, certainly there’s a lot of talk of the allies the Confederacy had. And that’s one of the things that when people point to Abraham Lincoln, during the Emancipation Proclamation.  It actually stopped some of the European allies from wanting to be with the Confederates. Because now it made it so clear that slavery was the dividing line, that these European nations did not want to be on the side of slavery.

So I’ve definitely heard that European nations were in that camp. And when Lincoln makes clear that slavery is one of the things we’re fighting about, that the South lost potential allies. But I’ve never heard that Britain was one of their potential allies.
David:
Well, let’s go back to Great Britain for a minute. And let’s actually- now remember the Civil War starts in 1861. So in May of 1861, lo and behold the Queen of England issues a proclamation that said, “€œAny British subject who participates in the conflict on either side, either through combat or the construction of naval ships for either side, will be facing prosecution in Great Britain.”€

Great Britain Wanted to Be Neutral

Sounds like they were trying to be neutral. Doesn’t sound like they were trying to weigh in on either side. Now as it turns out, British Empire as we know is fairly large. It’s right across the globe. The boast was “€œThe sun never sets on the British Empire,”€ because they held so many things across the world, that wherever the sun was up it was always on something in the British Empire.

So they probably can’t know everything going on in their empire. But they did find out later that in Liverpool there were three ships constructed for the Confederates, and also individuals gave 10 million pounds of arms to the South. They sold it to the South.

So Liverpool has done some things to help the South. When they found out about that, they not only stopped it, great Britain gave America $15,500,000 in reparations. Now $15 million back then is a bunch of bucks.

So great Britain was dead serious about not getting involved in either side. And when they found out that some of their people had been helping the Confederacy, they paid reparations to the United States.

Why Then Did Russia Come to U.S. If Britain Wasn”€™t Involved?

So first question is, “€œOk, what is Russia intervening to stop?   Since Great Britain is not getting involved in this thing.”€ Well, I don’t know. So how did Russia save us from the intervention of Great Britain, when Great Britain is actually trying to prosecute its people that get involved in either side of this conflict?

So that’s the first part of history that obviously this question.  This website doesn’t have a clue about. The second part is- “€œOk, did the Russian fleets ever come to the United States to New York, or to San Francisco in the Civil War?”€ And the answer is yes.
Next question is then, “€œWhy?”€

They came at the time that Russia was involved, and literally what we would call a civil war over Poland. Now, remember again Great Britain had all these holdings all over the world. And so what you have is Great Britain and Russia are arguing over who has Poland. And it looks like Great Britain and Russia are going to war.

Russia Did Send A Fleet to New York And One to San Francisco- But Because Russia and Britain We Arguing Over Poland
And so what Russia did, on both sides of its massive continent, was it sent its fleets away from that area so that if Great Britain attacked they would be behind the British and could come up behind them. So they sent one of its fleets to New York, and on the other side of Russia, they sent the other fleet to San Francisco.

And so they’re sitting there in the United States waiting to see what’s going to happen in Poland. And “€œAre we going to have to come in behind the British with our two fleets and knock the British around?”€

So those two fleets did make it to the United States.  They quartered there.

Russia Also Sent the Fleets there Because of Bad Weather

And the records- there was a great piece done on this back in 1915.  But the records show that they also moved their fleets out, because they got them out of really harsh weather that time of the year, and sent them to a much milder climate, being New York and San Francisco.
Rick:
Now what, when was this? When was this?
David:
This is during the Civil War time.

Rick:

Oh, it didn’t happen during the Civil War?

This Was During the Civil War

David:

It happened during the Civil War. And so what happened was- now remember Russia has been an ally with us, since back in the American Revolution. Russia’s not been our enemy.  Russia’s been our ally.  And John Quincy Adams, remember, at 14 years old Congress sent him to the court of Catherine the Great in Russia.

So we’ve had all this stuff with Russia going for a good while. So Russia sends its fleets, two fleets, to the United States because it’s bad weather where they are. They want to get those fleets away from the British in case an attack should occur. And so what happened was they spent some time here in the United States, and it turned into a big old party.

Russia”€™s Presence Created a Social Atmosphere That Turned Out to Be A Morale Booster For the Americans

I mean the Russian folks, and the Americans in New York, and in San Francisco were loving this because they were having all these balls and all these things where the- They’re just having this great social atmosphere.

And so it really was actually a morale booster because it took people’s mind off of the Civil War. The media started writing about something different that was going- it”€™s kind of like having the USO show up in the middle of a battlefield in Vietnam, or over in World War II, or something.

So it was a big deal that they came because they’re our friends.  They”€™re our allies and all these social events.

Russia Did Come, But They Did Not Intervene In The Civil War

But did they intervene? No. They didn’t do a single thing because there was nothing to do because Great Britain had already outlawed any intervention. And when they found out it was going on, then they paid reparations as a result. So sorry, that question fails the test.

Rick:

So it sounds like somebody grabbed a hold of these, of what were actually facts that fleet did sail here, and that they were here for some things, but they did”€¦”€¦ Completely disconnected it to their purpose or even how involved they were.  Which was none in terms of actual fighting or anything.
David:
Well, you’ve got to remember too, that Russia is great at propaganda. They practice that all throughout the Soviet Union, now they”€™re Russia.

Tim:

Putin has never done that.

David:

No, Putin has never done that. That- granted he’s been truthful all the way, ever-  Wait a minute. What Putin are we talking about?  Yeah right. So you have Russia that does not have a great record of being very active on stuff. But I don’t even know that Russia claimed this. It’s a website that claimed it. I don’t even know that Russia made the claim.

The Claim Is Wrong
Somebody read that the Russian fleet was here, and they just jump to conclusions. Or- maybe Russia did claim.  I don’t know. We haven’t seen any indication. But nonetheless, the claim is false. The claim is wrong. And that is not what happened. And Russia did not save the United States in the Civil War.
Rick:
Alright, that was a unique question. We’ve never had one on the Russian fleet in the Civil War.  So great question. Thanks for sending that in. We’re going to take a quick break. We’ll be right back with more of your questions here on WallBuilders Live.

Abraham Lincoln Quote:
Abraham Lincoln said, “€œWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert Constitution.”€

Constitution Alive

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Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. It’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders”€™ library where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

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Thomas Jefferson Quote:
Thomas Jefferson said, “€œThe Constitution of most of our states and of the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people that they will exercise it by themselves. That is their right and duty to be at all times armed, that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.”€

Is the Example Of the Seven Year Famine In Egypt A Warning Against Federal Aid?
Rick:
Welcome back! Thanks for staying with us here on this Foundations of Freedom Thursday here at WallBuildersLive. Next question comes from Eli.

Question is- “€œWith the calls for federal aid in the wake of the hurricanes, I find myself thinking back to a Biblical case of the government providing for the people in a time of natural disaster- namely the seven-year famine of Egypt in the time of Joseph. Joseph levied a 20 percent flat tax on the people during the seven days of plenty, then sold that grain back to them during the famine.”€

“€œIn Genesis 47, we watch as Joseph sold them grain for all the money in Egypt, then for all their livestock, then for all their land, then for the people themselves. In verses 20-21 were told, “€˜So the land became Pharaoh’s. Joseph made all the people slaves from one end of Egypt’s border to the other end of it.”€™

“€œThat sounds like government aid led directly to the enslavement of an entire nation. Did the Founders talk about this in their writings? Is this a warning we should heed in regards to asking for FEMA’s assistance with hurricanes and other disasters? What does Rabbi Lapin”€™s take on this part of Jewish history? Thanks for all that you do.”€

That’s from Eli. He said, “€œBy the way, a fellow Texan.”€ And now guys, we had- course Rabbi Lapin actually addressed some of this in a program that we had him on a week or so ago. But now let”€™s take it from a foundational principle in terms of Constitution and the role of government.

Joseph”€™s 20% Tax Was Actually a Tax Reduction

David:

And I’ve got to say, Rabbi Lapin, I mean that was a real eye-opener.  Tim and I both looked at each other and said, “€œWhat?”€ Because he pointed out that that 20 percent that Joseph took, was a tax reduction. And that’s what allowed the nation to prosper.  He dropped the tax because it had been Pharaoh who owned everything.  And it took it from everything down to only 20 percent, and that’s what allowed the pros- And I go-,”€œWoah.”€

You know, I’ve always thought of 20 percent as being onerous. That there’s the government taking up to one fifth. No, it was down to one fifth. And again, Rabbi Lapin comes through- ancient Jewish history as he talks about, and he’s a student of it because that’s exactly what he studies. And so, that’s the answer to that question.

We Have a Humanitarian Heart But Is It the Role Of the Federal Government to Help?

Now the other part, I thought part of this thing on we have a humanitarian heart.  There’s no question. We want to help those in need. We want to help those from Harvey, and Irma, and all the others that have hit.

From what we’ve seen in the Caribbean, to what we see with Puerto Rico, to what happened in Florida.  What happened in Texas.  Been a series of tough storms this time. And we want to help.
The question is, “€œIs it the role the federal government do that?”€ And so when Eli asked this question I was reminded of something back in an old history book, back in the 1800″€™s that dealt with Davy Crockett. And I’m just going to read part of this history book.  It’s a great account. And understand the language is from the 1800s, so the vocabulary is somewhat different.  The syntax is different.

But I’ll try to read it in such a way that maybe it sounds a little conversational. So, Davy Crockett, I think everybody kind of knows and recognize that name.  Famous at the Alamo, but famous in history as well. Congressman from Tennessee, was with Andrew Jackson, etc. And he gets elected to Congress. And so between terms, he’s getting ready for re-election.

Old History Book From 1800″€™s Accounts How Davy Crockett Dealt With A Natural Disaster- And How His View On Federal Aid Changed
And what happened was when they were in Congress, there was a big fire that started over in the town of Georgetown; which is a few miles away from D.C.   Davy Crockett talks about how they all stepped out on the steps of the Capitol, watched the burning over in Georgetown. And watched it just destroy the city.

They felt really bad for what was happening.  And “€œMan, we need to do something to help those people- that disaster. Because we”€™ve just sat here and watched it. We”€™re miles away and we see how bad the fire is.”€

So what they did was they appropriated money in Congress to help with that natural disaster- that fire that had happened.   And so this is what Davy Crockett reports.

He said, “€œThe next morning, a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief.”€  And that’s a lot of money back then.

The Day After the Fire Congress Appropriated $20,000 For Relief

“€œWe put aside all of the business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done. I said everybody felt as I did. That’s not quite so. For though they perhaps sympathized as deeply with the sufferers as I did, there were a few of the members who did not think we had the right to indulge our sympathy or exercise our charity at the expense of anybody but ourselves. They opposed the bill, and upon its passage demanded the yeas and nays.”€

That is they wanted a recorded vote, and the rules allow you if you have a certain percentage of people, you can get a recorded vote. So you see exactly how everybody voted.  Crockett continues, he says,

“€œBut there were not enough of them to sustain the call.  Many of us wanted our names to appear in favor of what we considered praiseworthy measure.  And we voted with them to sustain it. So the yeas and nays were recorded, and my name appeared on the journals in favor of the bill.”€

So here’s Congress stepping in to help with a disaster.

With Elections Coming Crockett Visited His District the Following Summer

Crockett says, “€œThe next summer when it became to be time to think about the election, I concluded I would take a scout around the boys of my district. I had no opposition there, but as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up.  And I thought it best to let the boys know that I had not forgot them. And that going to Congress had not made me too proud to go see them.”€

“€œSo I put a couple of shirts and a few twist of tobacco on my saddlebags, and I put out. I’d been out about a week and found things going very smoothly.  When riding one day in a part of my district, in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing. And coming toward the road, I gauged my gait so that we shouldn’t meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I spoke to the man.”€

Crockett Comes Across A Man In a Field Plowing

“€œHe replied politely, but as I thought rather coldly, and was about turning his horse for another furrow when I asked him if he could give me a chew of tobacco.”€

“€œ”€˜Yes.”€™ said he. “€˜Such as we make and use in this part of the country. But it may not suit your taste. You’re probably in the habit of using better.”€™

With that, he pulled out of his pocket, part of a twist in its natural state, and handed me. I took a chew and handed it back to him. He turned to his and was about to start off.”€

“€œI said to him, “€˜Don’t be in such a hurry, my friend. I want to have a little talk with you and get better acquainted.”€™”€

“€œHe replied, “€˜I’m very busy, and I have but little time to talk. But if it does not take too long, I’ll listen to what you have to say.”€™”€

“€œI began, “€˜Well my friend, I’m one of those unfortunate beings called candidates and-“€™

“€˜Yes. I know you. You’re Colonel Crockett. I’ve seen you once before, and I voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you’re out electioneering now, but you’d better not waste your time or mine. I shall not vote for you again.”€™”€

The Man Said He Would Not Vote For Crockett Again
“€œCrockett says, “€˜This was a sockdolager.”€™”€ Try defining that word. “€œHe said,

“€˜This is a sockdolager. I’d been making up my mind that he was one of those churlish fellows who care for nobody but themselves and take bluntness for independence. I had seen enough of them to know there’s a way to reach them. And was satisfied that if I could get them to talk to me, I would soon have him straight.”€™”€

“€œBut this was entirely a different bundle of sticks. He knew me, had voted for me before and did not intend to do it again. Something must be the matter. I could not imagine what it was. I had heard of no complaints against me, except that some of the dandys about the village ridiculed me of some of the wild and foolish things I often say and do, and said that I was not enough of a gentleman to go to Congress. Well, I begged him to tell me what was the matter.”€

“€œ”€˜Well Colonel.”€™ he said, “€˜It’s hardly worth while to waste time or words upon it. I did not see how it can be mended. But you gave a vote last winter which shows that you either have not the capacity to understand the Constitution or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be governed by it. In either case, you’re not the man to represent me.”€™”€

“€œAnd Crocket replied, “€˜Thank you for that. But you find fault with only one vote?”€™ He said. “€˜I admit the truth of all you say, there must be some mistake about it. For I did not remember that I gave my vote last winter upon any constitutional question.”€™”€

The Man Did Not Like Crockett”€™s Support Of Federal Aid

“€œ”€˜No Colonel, there is no mistake. Though I live here in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and I read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers of a fire in Georgetown. Is that true?”€™”€

“€œCrockett replied, “€˜Certainly it is. And I thought that was a last vote for which anybody in the world would have found fault.”€™”€

“€œ”€˜Well Colonel, where do you find in the Constitution any authority to give away the public money in charity?”€™”€

The Man Pointed Out That Federal Aid Is Unconstitutional

“€œHere was another sockdolager. For when I begin to think about it, I could not remember a thing in the Constitution that authorized it. I found I must take another tack.

So I said, “€˜Well my friend, I may as well own up. You got me there. But certainly, nobody will complain that such a great and rich country like ours should have the insufficient sum of $20,000 to the relief of suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing treasury. And I’m sure if you’d been there, you would have done just as I did.”€™”€

“€œ”€˜It’s not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of. It’s the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for a legitimate purpose.”€™”€ And he went on explaining the Constitution to Davy Crockett.

If You Want to Do Charity, You Are to Do It Privately  

And Crockett went away saying, “€œI learned a lesson. I’ll never vote for that again.”€

And the guy pointed out,  “€œIf you thought charity was good, you should have done it privately. But the Constitution doesn’t authorize you to give charity. It authorizes you to do 15 enumerated powers.”€

And so that’s part of the answer. I know that’s a long answer, and there’s a lot more to the story if you want to read it out of this old book in the 1800″€™s. But that’s the answer to the question. Is if you think charity is good, then do exactly what JJ Watt did, and get 34 million going in there. If you think charity is good, instead of taking our tax dollars and giving it back to the people- let us give it directly to them.

The Government Is Wasteful With Charity- Only 30% of the Dollar Reaches Those In Need

Because as we’ve talked in previous programs when the government takes money intended to help those in need, only 30 percent of the dollar actually reaches those in need. The government keeps 70 percent of it. So the government’s not being charitable.  It’s being wasteful by keeping 70 percent of the money that we appropriate for it.

So the answer to that question is- No. We shouldn’t have done it.

There’s the way the Constitution is understood even decades later under Davy Crockett.  So yeah, we should have a charitable heart. And by the way, we’ve also talked about the fact that there are some 200 different verses in the Bible that talk about helping those in need. None of them tell the government to give any material need to those in need. And so as the-
Rick:

And the result is different, right, David? I mean-

David:

The result is different. The result is different.

The Results Are Far Better When Private Organizations and Individuals Provide Aid  

Rick:

You get a far better result when these private organizations- and in fact, we’re experiencing that with the hurricane relief. I mean anybody that’s dealt with Samaritan’s Purse, and some of these private organizations that have been just wonderful through this whole thing.  Versus dealing with government agencies.

David:

Yeah.

Rick:

Or pseudo-government agencies. They know, if it’s individuals and private philanthropy they do a far better job.

David:

Yeah.

Rick:

I think we’ve seen studies, where it’s actually twice as good a job in terms of the amount of money that actually ends up getting to the people in need.
David:
Well, sometimes as we see in studies, as high as four times better when it comes out of private hands. So there’s no question that that’s the right way to do it. And that’s the way Congress should do it now.

But we’re used to doing it the wrong way for so long, since back and the FDR era when things really blew up on social programs.

People Now Have Become Dependent On Federal Aid and Intervention

Rick:

We got dependent on it really.
David:
That’s right. That’s right.

Rick:

It got to the point where people wouldn’t make wise decisions about their own money and insuring, or whatever it might be.

David:

That’s right.

Rick:

Because they just knew, government is going to take care of this. And so then it exacerbates the problem.  And we see, and then we, of course, saw it with the bailouts, right? I mean exact same thing. And you do a great deal in Constitution Alive on the cod fishing bailout, that the Founders were considering.

And they said, “€œLook, even though it might hurt the economy if this company goes under, or this industry goes under- where will this end if government starts bailing out private companies and private individuals when bad things happen? That’s just simply not government’s job.”€

It’s Just Simply Not Government’s Job
David:
Yeah, it’s not government’s job. And so charitable- we are charitable people.  We will give that money. By the way, all the money that went to Houston, we already gave. So that’s our money anyway, but it would have been a whole lot nicer if we could have given directly and not wasted 70 percent of it by running it through government.

Rick:

Yeah.

We Are A Whole Lot Better Off When Neighbor Helps Neighbor- That”€™s The Biblical Way

David:

Houston and everybody else would have a lot more money in their hands. And we talked even on previous program after the tornadoes hit at Hot Springs- how that in Hot Springs, the private people stepped up.  Tim Brooks and his church, they all this, until FEMA showed up. And then all the people said, “€œOh FEMA won’t let us help anymore. We have to leave.”€

And so it shut down all the charitable stuff that was happening with people out with their tractors, and their chainsaws, and helping dig people out of their houses. When FEMA got there all the private stuff had to stop.

And we”€™re a whole lot better off when it’s neighbor helping neighbor, friend helping friend, giving individually to those in need. That’s the Biblical way. That’s the Constitutional way. And That’s the historical way. We’ve just gotten away from that in recent decades.

Russia Did Not Intervene In the Civil War, And It”€™s Not Federal Government”€™s Job to Provide Aid- It”€™s Up To Individuals!

Rick:
Yeah, works best, and gets better results, and it’s better for the individuals- both the person giving and the person receiving. And it’s just better for the whole community.

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