New Mexico Is Now A Sanctuary City For Unborn Babies: We call it Good News Friday because it’s a chance for David and Tim to share some good news from across the nation and around the world. We don”€™t often hear good news from major media, however, here on WallBuilders Live, we love sharing news worthy of celebration!

Air Date: 04/12/2019

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture


Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we”€™re talking about today”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, always doing that from a Biblical, historical, and Constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and the founder of WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker and President of WallBuilders, and my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state legislator, national speaker, and author.

I just love talking about the results out there where we see victories because people have applied a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

So we”€™re not just talking about what that would look like, but we actually apply it, and then we get to see the results in the polling data. We’re seeing it in election results, we’re seeing it in legislation, and we’re seeing it in legal cases that are being won.

So when you think that it’s all negative, you think that the nation is totally fallen apart, and people talk about how, “€œIt’s too late!”€

It’s not true.

There are some bright spots, some wonderful, good things happening. Every week on Friday we try to do what we call Good News Friday. It’s a chance for David and Tim to catch us up on a lot of these stories that you just don’t hear about in the major media. So I really look forward to these Friday programs.

It’s a great opportunity to share with others, and you can actually share that with your friends and family too by simply going to the website, sharing Facebook and Twitter links to these Friday programs or any of our other programs.

Supreme Court Upholds the Cross?

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David, Tim, I’m ready for some good news. Let’s jump in. David, you’re up first.


We’re going to start with something that happened just about a month ago at the U.S. Supreme Court. Before we came on the program, Tim and I were speaking with Kelly Shackelford, good friend, and it was the case—actually his organization took this case to the Supreme Court.

It’s the one of, “€œCan you have a World War I memorial to 49 dead soldiers if that memorial is in the shape of a cross.”€

This is really looking at will the Supreme Court uphold the cross? Because lower courts have said, “€œNo, you have to tear it down because it’s in the shape of a cross.”€

A lot of this is based on what’s called the Lemon test that the court came up with in the 1970s.

Now, you would think the Constitution would be all the test you need, but very liberal, secular judges in the 70s came up and said, “€œNow here’s what we’re going to do. We’ve had so many of these religious liberty cases come to us, here’s the new standard. It’s OK for you to have something religious in public if the primary purpose of that religious activity is secular,”€ which means we’re going to virtually lose every case, which we’ve been losing a lot of cases.

A Dog”€™s Breakfast

So Kelly—and we talked to him after the case, and what happened at the court, what happened that day—and we talked over subsequent days, but they just put out a little article I thought was really interesting on this. It’s a video piece that goes over the court stuff. They said three important highlights from our Supreme Court oral arguments. Now, these are three things they saw in the process of questioning. What happens is each side gets 30 minutes at the Supreme Court, and they present their side.

The justices will interrupt and ask them questions like, “€œWhat does this mean? What do you think about this? How are you going to handle this?”€

In the 30 minutes they said there were three of what they saw as really good points. I’m just going to read this section of their report.

Chief Justice Roberts said, “€œI’m going to throw my hands up.”€

At one point, Chief Justice John Roberts stated that if he were a lower court judge, he would simply throw his hands up because the law in this area is so confusing and so difficult to apply. This was likely one of the most visible indications that the justices themselves recognize the current law is hopelessly in disarray, and that it must be clarified.

So that’s really good. The fact that judges see how goofed up this thing is, and they admit that they would be confused. So that’s good. They want to clear this up.

Number two: Justice Gorsuch compares the Lemon test to a dog’s breakfast. When First Liberty Attorney Michael Carvin presented his argument, Justice Neil Gorsuch interjected and stated, “€œYou tell us we should abandon Lemon”€™s endorsement tests because it’s become a dog’s breakfast.”€

History Counts

Well, a later point Justice Gorsuch was to follow up this remark in reference to the Lemon test, he said, “€œI think a majority of this court, though never at the same time, have advocated for Lemon’s dismissal.”€

So that’s a really good sign, that we seem to have a majority of justices who want to dump this unconstitutional constitutionality test.

The third and final point that was made said: Justices Alito, Kagan, and Breyer—Kagan and Breyer are two of the most liberal justices, Alito’s very conservative justices—Alito, Kagan, and Breyer recognized that cross shaped memorials are, “€œPart of history.”€

It says at different stages during the argument that three justices posed questions and responses making the point that the memorial cross here, and other similar monuments, are worth protecting simply because they’re part of our history specifically. Justice Kagan, a liberal justice, said, “€œWorld War I does have this history, that this is how soldiers were memorialized,”€ and that complimented Justice Breyer”€™s simple statement that history counts.

So pretty significant things. There are indications that we may get a really good decision. I thought that was a piece of good news coming from Kelly Shackelford and First Liberty—this was their case at the court—and this is how they saw it. So I think that’s really good. We’ll see.


And just the good news of the justices words, and the things that they’re saying during those hearings. Gorsuch continues to say things that make just good common sense, good legal sense, and it is very encouraging for us that are listening to that and trying to guess how the opinion is going to come down. Just the dialogue, and just the conversation, is headed in the right direction.

Texas Stop Sign


Well, also the fact that two of the liberal justices seemed to weigh in support of the cross simply because it’s historical. If you have a 5:4 decision, that’s likely to be challenged in the coming years. If you have a 7:2 decision, or something in that range, that’s going to be hard to challenge for decades, if we actually do have some of the more liberal justices siding on this case, and if we do get the Lemon test dumped, and that’s including with liberal justices, that really bodes well for being able to win a number of cases in the coming years that we’ve not been able to win in recent years.

There’s one other piece of good news that came out of Texas, which that’s…. that’s kind of redundant, good news coming from Texas, or is that a little too arrogant to say?

Tim: Yes.


Anyway—I get a yes from Tim—it relates to Dairy Queen. If you don’t know what Dairy Queen is, that’s a restaurant that we call a Texas stop sign. When you see a Dairy Queen sign you pull in and you get something.

“€œWe Want To Know Your Favorite Bible Verse”€


I don’t know that we call it that. I think some people do. They have delicious blizzards, which are ice cream with candy, which is just two great combinations, but yeah. So they used to be known as Texas Stop Signs, some people argue that’s What-a-Burger, and there’s different things now. But anyway, so what about Dairy Queen?


So in Tyler, Texas, all the Dairy Queens have taken a Bible and they put it on the counter. They opened it, laid it out, put a yellow highlighter beside it, and a sign that says We want you to mark your favorite verse in the Bible. That is really cool.

That’s kind of the Chick-Fil-A esc kind of approach, that, “€œWe’re not going to run from our faith,”€ and that’s a good thing about these guys.

So all the Dairy Queens and Tyler, Texas, kudos to you guys.


All right, quick break, guys. We’ll be right back. More good news after this. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History.

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. American Patriot Paul Revere road to alert Americans of the impending arrival of the British. But he also sought patriot leader Samuel Adams and John Hancock to warn them that the British were seeking their execution.

Adams and Hancock were staying with the Reverend Jonas Clark in Lexington. When they asked Pastor Clark if his church was ready for the approaching British he replied, “€œI’ve trained them for this very hour. They will fight and, if need be, die under the shadow of the house of God.”€

Later that morning 70 men from his church, and several hundred British in the first battle of the War for Independence. As Pastor Clark affirmed, “€œThe militia that morning were the same who filled the pews of the church meeting house on the Sunday morning before.”€

The American church was regularly at the forefront of the fight for liberty. For more information on this pastor and other Colonial Patriots go to

Romania Moves their Embassy to Jerusalem


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. It”€™s Good News Friday today. David had the first segment with a couple of great pieces of good news. Tim, you think you can top those?


Well, I don’t know if I can top them, but I’ve got some good news I want to share anyway.

The first article I have, actually, is coming from AIPAC, and AIPAC is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. They had a conference in Washington D.C. just last month, and at the conference one of the speakers they had was the Romanian Prime Minister.

Now, I could only try to butcher the name of the Prime Minister, which I can try, but just so everybody knows this is probably not that close to how you say the name, Viorica Dăncilă.

So anyway, the Romanian Prime Minister came out and said, “€œI am pleased to announce,”€ in front of all AIPAC, “€œThat Romania will move our embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of the state of Israel.”€

What’s interesting about this is not only this Romanian Prime Minister said that they will remain a loyal friend to Israel, and this is a quote, “€œThe strongest European voice in support of the Jewish people and the state of Israel.”€

So they’re saying that they’re going to start standing up and be the strongest voice in Europe. Now maybe they will. I don’t know. It’s yet to be determined.

But the fact they’re announcing that is pretty significant. It made me think about that, not long ago, when President Trump came out and said that America recognized the Golan Heights to be Israel’s land and territory.

We Don”€™t Care if We Offend as Long as We So the Right Thing

It’s just interesting seeing the leadership from President Trump and the influence it’s having on others. It wasn’t long ago that the Honduran President came out and said that they’re going to move their embassy to the capitol. There have been other nations that have said they’re considering it, Brazil, Australia, the Czech Republic, lots of nations are now having this conversation.

It really does make me wonder what the influence of President Trump and his leadership is having, where people are finally recognizing that we’re just going to stand up and do the right thing.

We don’t care if people are getting upset or getting offended, which is kind of the mantra of President Trump. He just kind of stands up for what he thinks and doesn’t let the other side of the news media bully him, which is rather refreshing.

We talk about how, oftentimes, you have politicians and you have statesmen, and the contrast is a politician just wants to say and do what they need to do to be liked and to be re-elected. A statesman is going to stand on principle even if they are not liked. Certainly the other side vilifies and does not like President Trump at all. He seems completely unfazed by all of the anger and all of the negatives that are coming against him.

Statesman V.S. Politician

He’s going to stand on principle as a statesman, and certainly not something we ever thought we would say two or three years ago. I Never thought we would say that about President Trump, that he is a statesman kind of a president. He’s going to stand on principle, but in many situations he has taken a beating for his position and yet he said, “€œIt’s the right thing to do. We’re going to do it,”€ with the Golan Heights. He’s probably not making a lot of new friends saying we recognize that the Golan Heights belongs to Israel and their claim on the land. That’s probably not going to get him a lot more votes, than he was already going to get, at least from a certain demographic.

And yet he’s doing what he thinks is right, which is just very refreshing, and now you have the Prime Minister of Romania coming out and saying, “€œWe’re going to move our embassy to Jerusalem to recognizing that’s the capital city of Israel.”€

So just kind of cool stuff.

Defunding Terrorists and Supporting Israel


It seems like it’s almost been a theme, the things that he’s done with regard to Israel and the Middle East, and we’ve used the phrase moral clarity multiple times in talking about Trump’s positions in the Middle East. How cool it is that he immediately sees who are the good players and who are the bad players,  stops funding people that are funding terrorism, and stands by those that are standing for Israel. I’m glad to hear even more good news on that front.

And like you said, at this point it’s not going to win him additional votes, probably going lose him votes, but yet he continues to do the right thing. So very, very thankful for that. Quick break guys. We’ll be right back. More good news when we return. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

We Want To Hear Your Vet Story


Hey friends! If you have been listening to WallBuilders Live for very long at all, you know how much we respect our veterans and how appreciative we are of the sacrifice they make to make our freedoms possible. One of the ways that we love to honor those veterans is to tell their stories here on WallBuilders Live.  Once in awhile, we get an opportunity to interview veterans that have served on those front lines that have made incredible sacrifices have amazing stories that we want to share with the American people.

One of the very special things we get to do is interview World War II veterans. You’ve heard those interviews here on WallBuilders Live, from folks that were in the Band of Brothers, to folks like Edgar Harrell that survived the Indianapolis to so many other great stories you heard on WallBuilders Live.

You have friends and family that also served.  If you have World War II veterans in your family that you would like to have their story shared here on WallBuilders Live, please e-mail us at [email protected]  Give us a brief summary of the story and we’ll set up an interview. Thanks so much for sharing here on WallBuilders Live!



Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. It”€™s Good News Friday today, and we’re getting into a lot of good news from around the nation and around the world. We started with Supreme Court good news, we’ve been to the Middle East with some good news, David, where are we headed next?


Actually, I’m going to pick up with a—maybe a pet peeve—and there’s some good news related to that. So I—


Wait. Let me guess—


What has Tim been doing that’s been annoying you, that’s a pet peeve? Oh, that’s not what you meant?


No. the good news is I fixed it, right?

So I was gonna say pet peeve is people driving slow in the left lane, the good news is now they’re starting to move out of the left lane, so you might actually go fast in the left lane, so I’m just guessing on pet peeve good news. So who is closer?


Neither one.

This has to do with great majestic places across the world and in the United States, the Statue of Liberty, the U.S. Capital, the Grand Canyon, whatever it is. All these great places. When you look at something like the Statue of Liberty, nothing makes it more valuable than sticking my face in a picture with it.

We take selfies of everything, and I get it! I know the Statue of Liberty is a really important place, but it’s not nearly as important as my face to be in it. It’s like we can’t handle just the majesty of some of these things all by themselves. I’ve got to be the center of it!

Auschwitz Stopping People from Taking Selfies

I really kind of—I don’t know—there’s actually a website out there now on all the fatalities and injuries that have come because people are trying to do selfies in the most ridiculous places—


That doesn’t sound like good news yet, sir.


Well, yes.


So the good news is people are dying from taking pictures. So good.


That’s not the good news, but there is starting to be a pushback against some of this, “€œYou”€™re the center of everything,”€ kind of stuff, and at a place that, Tim, we’ve been there twice with congressional delegations, Auschwitz.

You go to Auschwitz, where nearly a million Jews were were murdered, and you go in and there are railroad tracks that lead in. That’s where these trains full of Jews would come in, and then they would divide them off and put them over into lines where eventually they’re murdered in the gas chambers.

Auschwitz finally came out and said, “€œGuys, where are you? This is a death camp. Why do you keep taking all these selfies on top of the train tracks going into a death camp? You’re acting actually like this is something to be really proud of.”€

And I’m like, “€œShow some respect.”€

That is exactly right. We’re so self-centred now that we don’t even recognize the context of what’s going on around us.

“€œI’m going to go to my friend’s wedding, but nothing makes his wedding great like my picture at his wedding!”€

A selfie of them in the background getting married.

It’s like… come on, guys. Let’s get some perspective.

“€œWe”€™re Gonna Draw the Line Here”€

I really appreciated the fact that Auschwitz said, “€œNo, we’re gonna draw a line here. We’re asking you politely, please don’t take any selfies on the train track here at Auschwitz. This is something to be recognized as a place of honoring the dead.”€

And that’s a personal thing, but I really appreciate the fact that they’re trying to bring some seriousness and somberness back to a culture that really is trying to make it the “€œme”€ generation.


So yes, it’s sort of like the selfie generation. You have this dichotomy where the parents of many of this selfie generation, these young people, did not teach them honor and respect, and then they get offended when they don’t honor and respect certain things. One of the things that said certainly people are recognizing more and more is that you can’t just blame kids for not knowing things you think they should know. Somebody has to teach them what you want them to know.

At least you have one place saying, “€œHey guys, when you come here, here’s how this works. This is not the selfie moment when you’re at a place where you should be very somber, this is a place to honor those who lost their lives. This is not about you.”€

But at the same time, somebody has to teach them how to do the right things.

So I would think the good news is that at least somebody is engaging this selfie generation saying, “€œHey, here’s how you do this here.”€

Maybe they’ll take that lesson and apply it other places too. But you’re right, it can’t be a pet peeve when the selfie generation—I’m saying the selfie generation as if it is just young people, no. I’ve seen older people do it too.

It”€™s Not Just Kids

So there’s a reason their kids aren’t doing the right thing, because you see the parents doing the wrong thing too, it’s not just the kids doing it. But nonetheless, at least it”€™s some good news coming from Auschwitz, that they’re saying we’re gonna help uphold honor, and respect, and morals in this situation.


Quick break guys. We’ve got more good news coming up before the program ends today, so stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip


Hi, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders and I want to encourage all the pastors out there with a unique opportunity that we’re presenting it WallBuilders. We’re doing a special tour just for pastors that you can come and learn more about the spiritual heritage of our nation. Not just seeing the sights but understanding the significance of what they are and what they represent.

We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties  and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor”€™s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

Argentina Pro-Life Rally!


We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us for the final segment of good news today. Tim Barton’s got the last piece of good news.


All right guys, I have a piece of good news coming out of Argentina. I don’t know how I missed this, but apparently just a couple weeks ago, down in Argentina, there was a pro-life march. There was an estimated 2 million people who were on this march, who were part of this movement in Argentina.

It was a Saturday, and apparently abortion activists, politicians, are pushing to legalize abortion. Abortion is only allowed in Argentina in a few scenarios, presumably if it was a rape scenario, but generally speaking, abortion is illegal in Argentina.

Well, politicians and different political activists, or abortion activists in this case, were trying to get legislation to legalize abortion.

The people wanted to make their voice heard, and so two million people marched through Argentina. Three hundred thousand of those people came to the capital wearing different scarves, they were singing songs as they were coming, and you had people from all different kinds of faiths who showed up supporting this life movement.

There were gatherings in more than 200 locations across Argentina.

So just very interesting. Sometimes we have issues going on in America, and we don’t recognize where the rest of the world is and some of the positions they hold. Oftentimes, news we see from around the world can be the negative news where, I would argue, internationally you hear about maybe an explosion in a city, or some terrorist threat, or ISIS.

New Mexico City”€™s Fight Against Abortion

You hear about major problems, but the news isn’t really covering something like this weekend, that are major positives, a win. Two million people having this rally, this march, this is a huge win.

I’ve got another article semi related because it deals with life. When the Democrats, not long ago, came out with their position related to late term abortion, what many labeled infanticide, because even if the baby was born alive during a botched abortion the Democrats supported being able to kill what they called a, “€œLiving fetus.”€

Now, I’m pretty sure a living fetus is considered a human, right?

A fetus is what they tried to call an unborn baby, it’s still a baby, but they said, “€œNo, it’s not born, therefore it’s a fetus.”€

Now they’re saying it’s a living fetus.

Well, if it’s living outside the womb, it’s a human baby.

There were many Democrats who came out, in fact most of the ones in Congress came out, supporting this infanticide, being able to kill this child once it has been born. What’s interesting is there were people in New Mexico who came out in opposition.

New Mexico City voted to become a sanctuary city for unborn babies, which is just remarkable. In fact, their state lawmakers were considering a bill to keep abortions legal, basically for any reason, up until birth.

New Mexico City said, “€œWait a second. Nope. We’re going to be a sanctuary. Unborn babies are welcome in here.”€

Obviously unborn babies aren’t getting there without their mother going too. Nonetheless, it’s just cool that you have a city in the U.S. recognizing that, “€œNo, we should be protecting life, and we’re gonna be a place that protects life. Unborn babies will be protected here.”€

A Real Sanctuary

It would be very cool to see more cities follow suit, to see more states follow suit. But at least right now New Mexico City, in this article, has taken a stand. They’re gonna be a sanctuary city for unborn babies.


Now that sounds more like an actual sanctuary city, actually saving lives and protecting lives. I like the sound of it.

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