Science Confirms Genesis Flood Account: We call it Good News Friday because it’s a chance for David and Tim to share some good news from across the nation and around the world. We don”€™t often hear good news from the media, but here on WallBuilders Live we are about to share with you just some of the good things happening right now. In this episode, we talk about how the Florida Supreme Court turns down a case which threatened school choice. How a recent ADF lawsuit results in expansion of free speech! An update on the Jack Phillips decision. A recent scientific discovery that supports the Genesis account. And more!

Air Date: 03/30/2018

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we talk about the day”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. But we always do that from a particular perspective. We call it a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Those are the three perspectives you need to find the right answer on every issue.

And sometimes we actually just talk about the good news, the results of applying those three perspectives. That”€™s what we call Good News Friday and that’s when you”€™ve found us right here on this Friday and we try to do this every Friday. It helps us to be reminded that when you apply the right principles you get great results. And a lot of those good results are not reported in the major media.

So, David and Tim Barton are bringing a lot of that good news to us today. David is America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders. Tim Barton’s a national speaker and pastor and the president of WallBuilders. My name is Rick Green I’m a former Texas state legislator.

You can find out more about us and the program at WallBuildersLive.com. And you can also get more of these Good News Friday programs right there at WallBuildersLive.com by going into the archives section. As well as finding a lot of the interviews and Foundations of Freedom Thursday programs in that archives section as well.

Also want to encourage you to visit WallBuilders.com – that’s our main website. WallBuilders.com, a lot of great tools there that will equip, and inspire you, and give you what you need to be able to engage in the culture. Whether it’s just in conversation with friends and family or it’s actually educating your friends and family, getting them to maybe watch Constitution Alive or taking foundations of freedom and using that DVD series, that television program, in your Sunday school classes. There’s a lot of great ways for you to share this information. So, check it out there WallBuilders.com.

Alright, David, Tim, it’s Good News Friday. I’m looking forward to today. We’re going to have a lot of great news to share with folks throughout our program today. And I assume, David, you’re going to start us with our first piece of good news.

LGBTQ Agenda Slowing Down?

David:

I am and I’m going to start with, I don’t know, it’s kind of an intuitive feeling if you will or an intuitive observation. It seems to me that over the last year, 18 months, that a lot of the LGBTQ agenda has kind of slowed down in it’s radical advance. In other words, we’re not seeing as many people jailed for saying, “€œI don’t want to participate.”€ We’ve had that, but now we’re seeing more cases being won where that people are having their rights upheld.

As the fire chief and the police chief down in Atlanta I think both of them got nailed because of what they said in support of traditional marriage. They didn’t attack homosexuals, but they stood up for traditional marriage and so they got whacked. And we’ve seen that kind of slow down. I don’t know if there’s polling that says that the attitude of the nation is changing on this or not, but we do know that a whole lot of this agenda came through not because the people wanted it, because the courts mandated it and the courts ordered it. So, it’s an agenda that was really supported by the judiciary more than it was by the people or anything at the ballot box.

So, having said that, I just kind of wonder if there’s a change underway and I guess we’ll know more when we see what the Supreme Court does on the Jack Phillips decision, the masterpiece bakery decision. We’ll see if they keep it alive or if they kind of slow this momentum down even more. But having said that–

Rick:

Hey, David, just real quick on an update on that. When do you think– what is the timeline for that case at the Supreme Court? Because that”€™s one we”€™ve talked about a few times and people are beginning to be a little bit familiar with this, “€œHey, this is the one– this is the big case that really is going to say a lot about religious liberty going forward.”€

The Best Way to Judge of the Future is by the Past

David:

Well, Patrick Henry said that the best way to judge of the future is by the past. And the past is that whenever there is a controversial decision that is going to come down from the court, they do it the last week before they recess for the next three months and that way they’re not in town to hear all the yelling, and the editorials, and the people complaining about it. So, they typically save controversial decisions for the last week of the term which will be the last week of June.

Rick:

Okay.

David:

The last week of June is when I would expect to see this. I don’t think we’ll see it before that unless it happens to be– I think it’ll be a 5-4 decision whichever way it goes. If it happens to be a 6-3 or 7-2 decision day, yeah, you might see it sooner than that. But if it’s going to be a close 4-5 decision and if it’s– it’s going to involve Kennedy, there’s no question about that. Just which side will he take is probably the winning side. I would predict that it will be the last week of June because that’s what they typically do with these kind of decisions.

Rick:

Okay, sorry to interrupt you there. I’m just curious because that one’s been brought up a lot and everyone”€™s kind of waiting for that decision. So, we’ll look for it between now and June, but more than likely June. You were about to share some good news.

David:

Well, good news actually comes from outside the country. It comes from Bermuda. Anyone know where Bermuda is?

Tim:

Bermuda.

Bermuda?

David:

No, Bermuda. It”€™s like Bermuda grass. It’s what you mow in the yard.

Tim:

I’ve heard of Bermuda–

David:

Oh, come on, man.

Tim:

I don”€™t know about this is Bermuda talk.

David:

I”€™m in Texas, man–

Tim:

Yeah, okay.

David:

–don’t give me a hard time.

Rick:

What part of the country says Bermuda?

David:

My part of the country. It”€™s spelled the same way, right, as Bermuda grass?

Tim:

I feel like we have some liberal logic happening. I apologize to the listeners. It maks no sense.

David:

I get to define my own truth.

Tim:

That”€™s what I meant.

David:

Yeah.

Tim:

That’s our liberal logic.

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

Alright, Bermuda it comes from–

Rick:

Oh, Bermuda.

Tim:

Oh, I’ve heard of that.

Rick:

We won him over, Tim.

First Country in the World to Repeal Gay Marriage

David:

That’s one of the hundred and ninety five– Bermuda. Okay, it”€™s coming from Bermuda and guess what? Bermuda becomes the first country in the world to repeal a law allowing gay couples to marry.

Tim:

Interesting.

Rick:

Interesting. Very interesting.

Tim:

I know there have been nations that have said they’re only going to recognize traditional marriage. So, this would seem to indicate that Bermuda had passed a law saying, “€œNo, we’re going to allow everybody to marry.”€ Now they’ve come back and said, “€œNo, only a man and woman can marry.”€ So, is that my– that’s my understanding. Because I know there are other nations– we’ve identified some over in Africa before that said marriage is only man and woman in our country. But this is one–

David:

But this is one who stepped over the line and has now stepped back across it.

Tim:

They went wrong direction as far as from a–

David:

Biblical value position.

Tim:

Well, I was going to say the laws of nature–

David:

Yeah, that”€™s right.

Tim:

–and Bible perspective. There’s a lot of things you can argue natural law. But they’ve now come back and recognized that’s not the right direction. We’re going to do something different.

Can You Come Back?!

Tim:

Which that’s a really big deal because one of the things we even think about with our own nation is if you go too far in one direction can you ever come back. And this would seem to indicate that a nation that’s gone in the wrong direction has been able to come back. So, that’s not only encouraging they did that, but even give some hope for our nation saying, “€œHey, nations have gone the wrong direction and turned around. So, Lord, help us to be able to turn around.”€ But that is really encouraging to see a nation do that.

David:

And there’s a second aspect to this and that they decided not to let the Supreme Court of their country have the final word on this. Because they had gay marriage put in place just like the United States did because the Supreme Court ordered it. But even after the Supreme Court ordered it in Bermuda the people said, “€œThat’s not what we ordered and by the way, we do have a legislature.”€ And so the legislature has gone back and they”€™ve passed laws that really set aside that decision and have reaffirmed traditional marriage. So, that’s a second good part of it is that they have said, “€œNo, we don’t have a Supreme Court that makes all of our laws here. That’s what we have legislatures for.”€

So, there’s really two good aspects coming out Bermuda on this. Not only that they’ve stepped back across the line away from homosexual marriage. But the fact that they’ve said, “€œWe’re not going to let the Supreme Court be the final authority on public policy here in our country.”€

Rick:

So, it’s good news from both a policy perspective and a process or jurisdictional perspective. Something that we could certainly learn from here.

Let’s take a quick break, guys. We’ll come back. Tim Barton”€™s up next with some good news. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is TimBarton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. In the early seventeen hundreds the Reverend John Wise preached that all men were created equal, that taxation without representation was tyranny, and that God’s preferred form of government was the consent of the governed.

All of which is language recognizable in the Declaration of Independence. Why? Because in 1772 the Sons of Liberty led by Founders Sam Adams and John Hancock reprinted and distributed the Reverend Wise’s sermons.

Four years later, much of the Declaration reflected the language of those sermons by John Wise.  In 1926 on the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, President Calvin Coolidge affirmed, “€œThe thoughts in the Declaration can very largely be traced back to what John Wise was saying.”€

Few today know that the Declaration was so strongly influenced by the Rev. John Wise. For more information on this and other stories go to WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today on this Good News Friday. Tim Barton is up next. Where are we headed for this good news, Tim?

Tim:

Guys, this is out of Florida. And actually, this backs up to something that happened when Jeb Bush was governor. He passed, or was able to sign something in, the legislature help bring this about. But they passed a state voucher program and this has been around for literally years, and years, and years.

So, back in 2001 this program was created. And what they did was to really incentivize businesses, they told business owners if you will donate to the voucher program we’ll give you tax credits. And so it was largely funded by corporations, private individuals, giving to this. But individuals who, families in need, right. Families who are struggling, their students are struggling, and whatever school district are in. They would have the opportunity to get a voucher and then from this voucher they could use the voucher and go to a private school, go to a different school somewhere else, and hopefully give their student a better education.

Well, probably no surprise that 70 percent of families that use the voucher program their students went to a school that was a faith based school. So, a Christian school or something of that capacity was a private school. And so this was challenged by the Florida teachers union.

Religion Funding the State?

Tim:

Now, again this was back in 2001 when this was done. So, this case has been fought for a while, but it went before the Florida Supreme Court and the Florida Supreme– Now, by the way, the teachers union had lost at all these levels going up to the Florida Supreme Court. Largely saying, “€œLook, this does not violate any kind of separation of church and state.”€ Which is what the teachers union argued is that because families were going to Christian schools it violates separation of church and state. And really, it’s kind of a bad argument because–

David:

Now, wait a minute. I’ve got to ask – if they really believe that, why did they take tax money from people who go to church? People who go to church shouldn’t be required to put tax money in the state if there’s a separation of church and state.

Tim:

Well, right, because that”€™s funding from religion.

David:

That’s right. Religion is funding the state. So, how come they don’t argue that, but they argued that you can’t have your kids?– I’m sorry, I didn”€™t mean to–  

Rick:

I like that, David. I was thinking the other direction. Your”€™s is a whole lot better. I was thinking if somebody gets a welfare check they better not pay any tithes on it. They’re not allowed to make a donation to the local church, but that’s the wrong direction. I like yours better. If you make any money from religion, or serve in this church, or any of that, you can’t take any of your money or shouldn’t be allowed, or required, to tax– be taxed on that and give any of it to the government.

Why Would They Take My Tax Dollars Then?

David:

They”€™re saying I can’t take my kids and put them in state education because– or take them out of state education because that’s religious. So why would they take, if they think I’m religious, why would they take my tax dollars and put it into the state?

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim:

If you are religious, right. Because now a religious person is helping fund the public and there has to be a separation.

David:

That’s right, man.

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Tim:

So, yeah, their argument was, “€œLook, you cannot take private money that was given for the voucher program, for a tax credit.”€ Because now you”€™re giving them a tax credit, so now government’s involved. So, if government is involved you cannot allow people to take your voucher and make their own choice of where they want their child to be educated with money that was donated by other private organizations or businesses as the case–

Anyway, so it goes before the Florida Supreme Court and they dismiss the case and say, “€œNo, we’re not going to hear this case because it was already decided at the lower levels.”€ And apparently they think lower levels have decided correctly. Anyway, the good news is the Florida Supreme Court has turned it back over to let the lower courts cases ruling stand which allows this voucher program to remain in place where parents who get a voucher are allowed to put their kids in Christian education. It doesn’t violate the separation of church and state.

Teachers Union Didn”€™t Win

Tim:

So, overall it is good news and this is another situation where the teachers union did not win trying to limit Christian education and families being able to choose that with a voucher program. So, I would say great news that there’s a voucher program happening in Florida, it’s been successful. And that in this program families are allowed to choose whatever education they deem appropriate for their children. Including a private or Christian school education which is good news.

Rick:

So, good news on the front of parental rights, parents getting to make the choice. Good news on the policy perspective, we’re getting great results because competition helps all the schools to improve including the public schools. And good news from a legal perspective, and jurisprudence, and upholding these very basic principles. Good news all the way around.

Quick break. We’ll be right back with more good news. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us on this Good News Friday. David Barton is next with more good news for you – David?

David:

I want to go to a university in Michigan. At this university in Michigan, Turning Point USA, they thought they would have a lot of fun and so they got a big beach ball out. I don’t know if you remember, but 10 years ago or so that used big thing and the stands would hit beach balls around during games – basketball, football, whatever. And so they would launch these beach balls.

Well, Turning Point USA thought that be kind of fun to do on campus. They got these beach balls they were knocking around and they let people write on that beach ball anything they wanted to. They called it a free speech beach ball and you could write your message on and just kick it around to somebody else, let them write a message on it and hit it around. And university officials came in and said, “€œYou can’t do that. We don’t allow free speech on campus. As a matter of fact, we have a free speech zone which is over here in the back corner under an oak tree.”€

And essentially, they had a free speech zone that was less than 1 percent of campus. So, they would not let students have a free speech beach ball which I guess gives new meaning to the phrase “€œpick up your ball and go home”€. Because essentially, that”€™s what they told them to do is get that beach ball and get it out of here because we don’t allow free speech outside the zone.

The University Lost Again

David:

And so our friends at ADF said, “€œLet’s see about this.”€ And as has happened every single case that we know about, the university loss again. So, the kids get to have free speech not just on one percent of campus, but if they want to have a free speech beach ball they can do that all over campus. Which is really good news.

But let’s not stop there. Let’s pile on and while we’re in Michigan let’s just hit another school in Michigan, Michigan’s Kellogg Community College. That is where they arrested three kids on the campus for handing out U.S. Constitutions. And they said, “€œYou’re handing out constitutions, you’re not in the free speech zone, you handed out constitutions outside the free speech zone, we’re arresting you for that.”€ Which, obviously, makes me wonder if anybody on that campus ever read the constitution other than three kids handing out the constitutions. Surely you would think the attorney for the college would know better than that. It just mystifies me that they would arrest these kids. You would think that the officers would know better than that. You would think that the anybody would know better than that, but not so. And so these kids are arrested, and here we go into court again, and guess what? They, again, the college again loses.

And can you imagine how much tax money is being spent on these stupid lawsuits? Taking this in, prosecuting this stuff, getting these kids arrested, booking them, whatever goes with that, and then defending that stupid policy in court after every other place in the United States has lost similar cases, they”€™re going to defend it. This is just philosophical commitment to something that doesn’t pass even pass the logical test, if you want to state it that way.

And then one more that I’ll throw at you–

Rick:

And, David, just to reiterate what you just said. So, our tax dollars are being used to indoctrinate the youth of the day and then to pay for the legal fees of doing that indoctrination and ignoring the Constitution. So, we’re losing twice on that. And once again, folks, let your legislator know you’re tired of these universities being funded with our tax dollars. Go ahead.

David:

We’ve been talking up in the upper Midwest in Michigan. Let’s jump down to Alabama. And University of South Alabama, they allowed all sorts of free speech until it became a pro-life display. Now, they allowed pro abortion displays across campus, and pro abortion rallies across campus, and other things across campus, other groups. But when it came to be a pro-life display they said that was “€œcontroversial”€ and therefore it had to be confined to the free speech zone.

Free Speech Only if it”€™s Non-Controversial?

David:

Now, think about that message. If we don’t think it’s controversial you can have free speech anywhere you want. But if we think it’s controversial you only have to go to the free speech zone. Which, that’s exactly opposite of what the First Amendment was about. It was to allow dissenters to have their viewpoint, or to petition government, or whatever they wanted.

So, this pro-life group gets confined to less than 1 percent of the campus even though other groups get it. And guess what? It goes into a lawsuit again, Alliance Defending Freedom once again, and once again the school loses. So, it’s just– we could play this over and over. As a matter of fact, I think last week we covered three other universities that just lost. So, in two weeks we’ve now gone through six universes and these aren’t all the stories out there in recent weeks. These are just the ones that we picked up in the last two weeks. And this is going on all over the country.

And if you think that sending your kids to universities is the way it was when you were there – no, not so. Not at all. Look at these kind of lawsuits and look at how ridiculous they are. Look at being arrested for passing out the Constitution, look at not being able to have a free speech beach ball. Parents, imagine that back when you were in college. I don’t think you could think of a college anywhere – not even Berkeley or UCLA that would have done that. And yet today, here we”€™ve got it from Alabama to Michigan. But the good news is we’re winning all the cases.

Rick:

Which means we need more students to stand up, speak truth, be willing to take on these fights. We need these legal organizations that are willing to stand for truth to be supported. So, that’s a great way to help with your lives, fortunes, sacred honor, you donate to some of these organizations to help them fight these fights for the students that obviously wouldn’t be able to pay for those legal fees.

Got to take a quick break, guys. When we come back we’ll get more of this good news. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. It’s Good News Friday today and Tim Barton has our last piece of good news for today”€™s final segment. Go ahead, Tim.

Science Confirming Genesis

Tim:

Alright, guys, this is a study that’s come out, and actually, I saw it first on social media. It was getting shared all over the place. So, I’m sure some of our listeners are familiar with this, but just like Good News Friday there are some things that do make their rounds, but it’s not national news and certainly not talked about to the level or extent it should be talked about. So, just in case some of our listeners are not familiar with this one of the things that was recently touted all over social media was the fact that science once again is confirming something that Genesis has told us. The title of this is “€œOceans of Water Found Deep Within Mantle of Planet”€ or “€œOf the Earth”€.

And so scientists are discovering there’s actually water somewhere down in the Earth’s surface. And let me just give you a few details. So, they found within the earth has oceans of water deep within the mantle. There are three recent studies that have come out the latest by the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. The geoscientist Oliver Shaffner– I’m positive I’m pronouncing his last name wrong, I’m not sure, but I”€™m going to say “€œShaffner”€. They found traces of water trapped in diamonds that have been pushed up to the surface–

David:

Wait a minute – trapped within diamonds?

Tim:

Within diamonds. So, intense pressure forming these diamonds. Well, it’s forming, actually trapping water inside of them as it’s forming the diamonds. And these diamonds, when they’re pushed up to the Earth”€™s surface, they have water inside of them. So, they’re going, “€œHow in the world is this happening?”€And they’re looking not just in one location finding diamonds with water trapped in them, they’re finding them in China, in the Republic of South Africa, in Botswana.

David:

Those are pretty close together.

Tim:

Right. No, except they’re not, right. So, they’re very spread out. But what they’re discovering is so often you look for a diamond that is untarnished, right? You want the pure diamond that looks clean, it sells better, but they’re more fascinated by the diamonds in this case that are not the pure diamonds because they’re finding, as was mentioned, water trapped inside of them. And it’s giving them evidence that water is somewhere down under the surface of the Earth somewhere down in the mantle is water. It’s confirming in their minds–

Deep, Deep, Down

David:

By the way, for people who are thinking, “€œWell, we drill wells all the time and get water out of there.”€ No, no, no, the mantle is hundreds of miles deep. We’re talking really, really, deep down – we’re not talking surface water, or groundwater, or where you drill your wells – it’s not that kind. The mantle is much, much, deeper than that.

Tim:

So, they’re saying that it’s down where it”€™s a thousand degrees fahrenheit. The mantle makes up more than 80 percent of the Earth’s volume. And so in the midst of this they’re saying there is a water down in there which is, guys, this is fascinating to imagine the scientists saying this.

But it is something the Bible talks about because when the flood happened the Bible says that the earth opened up and waters from the deep, it was springing up. And actually, before there was rain that the way the earth was watered was there was a mist that came up from the ground and where did that come from. So, the Bible actually gives indication to this, which, let me also throw out, guys, it might be interesting if we contacted somebody from Answers in Genesis to talk about this because certainly this is along the lines of what they do.

Rick:

Yeah. To see how all this fits in.

Tim:

It would be interesting to have a conversation. So, maybe in the future we can get an interview from one of those guys to talk about this. But this is yet again where science is saying, “€œGuys, we’ve made an amazing discovery.”€ And if you’re a Christian you’re going, “€œWell, that’s what the Bible said. And it said for thousands of years that there was water somewhere down underneath the Earth’s surface.”€ But now scientists are coming along saying, “€œWe’ve made an amazing discovery.”€ And the discovery confirms what the Bible has already said.

David:

By the way, I looked on it and what it is, the crust, the Earth’s crust, is first and then the mantle is below that and then you have the core below that. So, the Earth’s mantle is 35 kilometers thick or about 21 miles deep. You know what the deepest well ever drilled is? Tim:

No idea.

Rick:

Water or oil, either one?

David:

Either one. Any well you want to name.  

Tim:

I would guess a couple of miles.

David:

The deepest hole ever drilled is the * hole which is seven miles deep.

Tim:

Okay.

David:

So, at that point, at seven miles deep, you are one third of the way through the Earth’s crust and you’re not anywhere close yet to the mantle. And they’re saying this water is down in the mantle, oceans of water down in the mantle. So, again, this is– don’t confuse this with, “€œWell, I get I get drinking water out of my well.”€ Of course there’s water down there. No, no, this is down to a place we have never been able to drill a well before, to a depth that has never been reached by humans, that this water existed. That’s just unbelieve stuff.

Science Confirms Genesis Flood Account

Rick:

Yeah. This one’s definitely over my head, gentlemen, so I think you’re right, Tim. Let”€™s try to get one of the guys from Answers in Genesis on to talk about it and maybe understand the implications. Because if it helps the argument for creation, we need to be sharing this, we need to be getting people educated on it to understand it. I’m sure the left is going to ignore it and surprised you’re even able to find it. But thanks for sharing it here on Good News Friday.

We”€™ve got a lot more good news to share with you folks. Next Friday we’ll do the same thing and you can get some of the past Friday programs on our website at WallBuildersLive.com. We sure appreciate you listening to WallBuilders Live.