Security: Florida Sheriff Arms Local Teachers and Protects Students

Security: Florida Sheriff Arms Local Teachers and Protects Students: The President of Southeastern University in Florida, Dr. Kent Ingle, joins us today as we once again cover the hot topic of guns and school shootings. However, this time we’re looking at some exciting steps Southeastern University and the local Sheriff’s office have taken to ensure the safety of those on campus. Not only this, but we look at the heart of a leader who understands the importance of defending those under his care.  Tune in now to hear more!

Air Date: 03/06/2018

Guest: Dr. Kent Ingle

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

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We’re here with David Barton, he’s America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker, pastor, and the president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state legislator.

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Later in the program we’ve got Dr. Kent Ingle with us. He’s the president of Southeastern University in Florida. Amazing, amazing, program that they’ve implemented there over the last year called The Sentinel Program. We’re going to find out about that when he joins us.

Responding to the Shooting Again With Nuts and Bolts

Rick:

David, Tim, we’re going to respond again today to the shooting in Florida. I know we talked a little bit about it yesterday with Tim Wildmon. But now we’re going to get into some nuts and bolts of some practical responses for schools, teaming up with sheriffs departments. Here’s some major– this stuff makes sense what we’re going to talk about today. It’s not just emotional reactions, it’s saying, “How do we logically minimize evil when it comes to the door?”

David:

Yeah, when we look at problems we’re also looking for solutions that work as well. Southeastern University has been doing something for a little bit, but once the shooting came out in Florida, this kind of popped to the top and said, “This program would have prevented the shooting.” And anything we can do to prevent disasters and calamities we want to.

Tim:

Specifically, not prevent the shooting, but minimized it, right? It would not have allowed it to go on–

David:

Exactly, exactly.

Tim:

–and maintain because there were armed people ready to respond. As opposed to one of these, again, they’re referred to as “soft targets”, right? These gun free zones where there’s nobody there with a gun to stop the bad guy with a gun. Which is interesting – I don’t recall many mass shootings at places where they were shooting against armed people.

David:

To that point, it would have definitely minimized because they would have taken the shooter out much quicker. And it might actually have prevented it because when you know there’s a gun sitting around on campus waiting if you show up, you’re probably not going to show up. The point you’re making now.

FBI Statistics

Tim:

Sure, well, the idea if somebody with a gun is driving by and sees armed guards in front of a school then they might think, “Hey, I’m going to go find a, again, one of these soft targets, gun free zones, where I don’t have to deal with that.” So, it could have prevented maybe in that sense.

I think FBI statistics and that data identifies that when there are individuals with guns present that the average death toll is just over two. As opposed to when there’s no one there to stop with a gun, at that point, it’s depending on the scenario, over 7. But we’re seeing where you have 17 and 26 in these really high numbers because there’s not armed individuals there to stop the shooter as they’ve showed up.

This is certainly something that has brought a lot of discussion. What’s the best way to prevent this? Whether we’re going to ban all guns, ban ARs, if we’re going to arm teachers and what that really looks like. And then do the teachers need to go through training, and what kind of training, and will they be prepared, and all these scenarios that are unfolding in the midst of what’s happened in Florida.

But it has raised a lot of good discussions surrounding how do we solve this problem.

David:

Well, part of this, actually, I’m not necessarily proposing a solution, I’m just pointing out it used to be one. Tim, one of the things you point out when we do tours through the collection, take groups through, is that what we used to teach in schools was every student knew how to handle guns, knew what to do with guns, riflery was part of PE courses. We actually have a public school textbook that shows how you can build a 22 rifle range inside your house, inside your own home. And so students knew how to handle guns, knew what to do with them.

As John Quincy Adams pointed out 200 years ago that the more you know about guns, the more you handle them, the less likely you are to have accidents. So, many accidents happen from people who don’t know how to handle guns and they’re not safe with them.

An Amazing Collection

David:

So, we used to have this culture of really knowing this. And I love Louis L’Amour. And for folks who don’t know, he’s one of the greatest Western writers in American history. He had a personal collection of more than 10000 pioneer journals, and Western journals, and Western writings.

And so he has more than 100 Western novels. He was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal for all of his contributions – great guy. His own life was really kind of fun.

Tim:

By the way, some of the commendations he received were for presenting, in his novels, were for presenting such an accurate picture of how the West looked. And even the way he depicted Indians, and the frontiersman, and the gunslingers.

I think growing up he tells that he actually, as a kid, got to bale hay with a guy who actually rode with Billy the Kid. He’s just one person removed from a lot of these guys. Some of the guys he worked with actually had ridden the Outlaw Trail themselves. So, really amazing experiences he had.

But then, had done so much research into really wanting to tell an accurate picture. Which he received a lot of credit, commendations, and awards, for doing such a good job writing these, in most cases, fictitious novels. But sometimes based on actual events.

David:

He would put different names on the events. But I remember what got me hooked on him was I read a book called The Ferguson Rifle. And in The Ferguson Rifle, it’s right at the end of the American Revolution and, actually, Ferguson was a guy who created the Ferguson rifle. And there’s this little incident where he gets involved with the kid at the American Revolution, gives this kid the rifle he invented, and all the details of that rifle, and what he did, and how he gave it to this kid.

They were so historically accurate, I knew that part of history, I go, “This is really cool. We’ve got a Western novel here that is to the detail right on the guns and how it worked and operated.” And so it was so good on it. So, one of the stories–

Rick:

And that’s the one he got the patent from the king, right?

Kids With the Guns

David:

Yeah, I think that’s right, Rick. I think that was the patent that came out and it was a revolutionary gun. Well, Louis L’Amour more tells the story of a school out West – I think it may have been Colorado or something.

Tim:

Well, yeah, so, Bendigo Shafter is based on what he calls this– one of the journals he read. True story where there was a guy in the East and he was– had a disagreement someone, ends up getting in a duel, and kills this guy. And then he moves out west, becomes a schoolteacher. As a schoolteacher, he’s instructing the students, one day the guy who he had killed in a duel, his brother shows up. The brother comes into the schoolroom and draws his gun on them and says, “You killed my brother. I’m here to get vengeance for my brother. I’m here to kill you.”

At that moment the kids in the school room drew their guns on this guy and said, “You’re not killing our teacher, we’re trying to learn, he’s too important to us, put your gun up, go away or we’re going to kill you.”

So, the students had guns in school, defended their teacher from a bad guy with a gun, there was no shooting that happened, the bad guy put the gun up and he left.

So, Louis L’Amour rights his novel Bendigo Shafter based on this event as he depicts it. But what’s amazing is, this is an actual factual true story that kids used to carry guns with them to school, had the guns in the classroom with them, and in this situation, actually defended the teacher from the bad guy– in the scenario, right, but the guy who’s coming to kill the teacher, the students defended the teacher.

But guns were not viewed as the problem – even for students to have guns in the classroom back then because students had learned how to use the guns, they knew had to be safe with them, they understood that these are tools, and they’re dangerous tools, but the operation of them. And because they received the proper training they were allowed to carry them into the classroom.

This is something that, today, we just– we can’t imagine kids even having guns. Back then this literally saved the life of the teacher, but also in many occasions could help save the life of the students if they have to do with a bear, or a mountain lion, or a snake, or whatever kind of attacks there might be. But they learn guns and also gun safety. And they got to take their guns with them to school.

David:

And one of the things that really caught our attention, was after the Florida shooting, you have this university president, Dr. Kent Ingle, who says, “Hey, I am happy to talk about guns in schools, and what we’re doing with our school, and having guns on campus, and how we’re prepared for shootings like this.” I thought, “Man, there’s not many academics that’ll actually step forward and want to talk about this issue. But Dr. Kent Ingle with Southeastern University in Florida was a guy willing to do that.

Rick:

Dr. Kent Ingle our special guest today. Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back on WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us today here at WallBuilders Live. Dr. Kent Ingle is with us from South Eastern University there in central Florida. If you want to know what Southeastern is about, just listen to this quote from Dr. Ingle, “God has created you with a unique design that He wants to unleash in your life to change the world.” Dr. Ingle, so thankful for what you guys are doing in unleashing thousands of students with a godly purpose every year. God bless you, man. Appreciate you coming on.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Thank you. A privilege to be with you.

Hopefully This Won’t Be Unique in the Future

Rick:

Well, man, in addition to the great work you guys are doing in the lives of so many students, you’re doing something, frankly, unique, but hopefully won’t be unique in the in the coming years. You’ve teamed up with the sheriff there in your county – Polk County – and it created this program, this Sentinel program, that we really want people to know about and hopefully get their law enforcement and education institutions to team up together. How did this all come about?

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Well, again, at the heart of all of this is our absolute commitment to providing a safe and secure learning environment for our students and our entire community. When these horrific incidents start happening on school campuses we knew immediately– our leadership team felt we have to start creating layers of security that would do a couple of things.

Really a combination of prevention, but then also rapid response – especially against an active shooter who would walk on campus and all their desire is to take life.

Rick:

Yeah.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

And so we knew we would have to begin to be intentional in layering security.

So, it was right after the Sandy Hook incident that we engaged conversation with the Polk County sheriff, sheriff’s office here in central Florida. Out of that we entered into a contractual relationship that from that day forward to this day they would provide our security.

So, the Polk County sheriff is in charge of security on our campus. They have a camp command post every single day. We already have armed sheriff officers every day taking care of our security. But then when these incidents started happening more frequently and almost like this is becoming an epidemic, we knew we needed to go to another level.

How the Sentinel Program Was Established

Dr. Kent Ingle:

So, we sat back down with the Sheriff Grady Judd and said, “How can we take this to another level?” And it was out of that conversation that the sentinel program was established.

Basically what the program is is it authorizes highly trained– and I have to emphasize this– it’s highly trained faculty and staff to carry concealed firearms for the sole purpose of engaging– and only engaging– an active shooter that would walk on our campus.

Rick:

And let me back you up to the “highly trained”. Because let’s zero in on that. This is not just someone that’s been through a one day concealed carry class. You guys are requiring them to do 100 hours–

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Oh yeah.

Rick:

— of comprehensive firearm safety and proficiency training which is more than law enforcement officers.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Right.

Rick:

And another 32 hours of deadly force training. So, this is significant training. These are people that– they’re going to be well-trained.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Yeah. No. We– I’m a firm believer that you just don’t hand every faculty person a gun, you don’t hand every staff person a gun. We want professionals that know what they’re doing, have that training. In fact, you are sworn in. Once you complete that training, you are sworn in as a deputy sheriff and so you are a law enforcement officer.

And what it does is it creates that layer. So, we have stationed, literally around the entire campus, the Sentinels who are ready, again, at any moment to engage.

The Purpose

Dr. Kent Ingle:

And think about this – the purpose of this is to rapidly respond. The Department of Justice does studies on this all the time. When that 911 call goes out because somebody is already engaged in taking life. Well, when that 911 call– you have to get the– you start getting responders. Well, it takes– they’ve studied that it takes five to seven minutes before law enforcement can actually get onto the campus and begin to respond. The average rampage is only about three minutes long.

Rick:

So, it’s already over by the time– according to the–

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Yeah. That’s why we want already to have on campus law enforcement officers ready to engage that shooter if they should happen to be on our campus.

Rick:

Yeah. The examples abound, unfortunately, but in even the most well-known situations that have happened where the shooters have just gone from room, to room, to room, taking life. And if you had even one faculty member even in each building, let alone   maybe one on each floor–

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Right.

Rick:

–how much more quickly– how many lives can be saved by engaging that that shooter immediately.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Yeah. And that goes right to the core of it. We want to reduce the loss of life and any way we can do that– and I’ll tell you, we have had overwhelming support. Especially from parents when they bring their son or daughter onto the campus to check out the university. We have Q and A sessions and the first question– and you can see the fear in their eyes, they’re asking, “What are you doing? How intentional are you at providing security for our children?”

And when we begin to explain the Sentinel program and then the other layers of security that we have, you can begin to see that fear kind of start leaving. And they see that we’re doing everything we can to provide that safety and security. That’s why we do it.

So Much Common Sense Here

Rick:

It’s just– there’s so much common sense here. I got to say, Dr. Ingle, it just makes so much sense. I do want to ask you, backing up, in coming to this conclusion because it’s somewhat debated in our circles. I don’t think it should be – I think it’s clear what the Bible says about self-defence. But what– you were a pastor, you spent most of your life in ministry.

How does your Christian worldview inform this responsibility to protect life and why life is worth preserving?

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Yeah, well, to me it’s all about understanding this world we live in. We will never as long as we live in this world be able to eradicate evil–

Rick:

Yeah.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

–that comes into the human heart. But we have a responsibility to respond and to do everything we can to combat that evil. As a Christian, obviously, we understand that Jesus Christ is the hope of the world and that He’s the Wonderful Counselor, and the Mighty God, and the Everlasting Father, and the Prince of Peace. And we need to declare that message.

I think part of mental health reform that I think we also need to look at and talk about–

Rick:

Sure.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

–are ways that we can present the hope of Jesus in that reform. But also we have to understand that we have to protect the people that God has put into our responsibility, into our sphere of influence, and say, “Hey, we’re going to stand up and do what we can to protect you and provide that environment so that you can fulfill and feel safe and secure.” These students are coming because they want to grow and develop their call, their divine design. So, we’ve got to do everything we can to make sure that when they come onto this campus that they feel safe, that they can do that, they can discover, they can develop that call, in a way that they know they can trust us with being caring for and compassionate for their lives.

What Leadership Is All About

Rick:

I hear in your voice– I don’t want to put words in your mouth, so you tell me if I’m hearing this right. Because most time when I have this type of conversation with folks it revolves around our rights to do these things. I hear in your voice not only that you respect that right to do it, but a sense of responsibility, a real duty–

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Oh, absolutely!

Rick:

–to defend and protect.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

That’s what leadership is all about. God puts people in your care and it is your responsibility, from a contextual standpoint, to do everything you can to provide for those people in your care. And part of that is protection, and making sure they are safe so that they can fulfill what you are called to do in coming alongside them and empowering their lives.

Rick:

There was a– you probably know this, I bet you know this story, but there was a signer of the Declaration and Constitution named James Wilson. He would always quote the Castle Doctrine and when he would he would say that if you’re robbed in your home it’s your own fault and negligence because we don’t want a police officer in home obviously.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Richt.

Rick:

So, he was saying you’ve got to be prepared yourself. It sounds like, as the president of the university, you’re basically saying, “Hey, this is my home, I have a responsibility for these folks, and so we’re going to do our part to make sure we’re not negligent–”

Dr. Kent Ingle:

That’s right.

Rick:

“–that we’re just doing everything we can to protect these kids.”

Dr. Kent Ingle:

That’s right. They’re family and I don’t ever want to ever have to look a parent in the eye and say, “You know what, I didn’t do my job.”

Rick:

Yeah.

We Have to do Everything We Can

Dr. Kent Ingle:

“I didn’t do everything I could do.” And we know that nothing’s fail proof. There’s going to be issues and challenges, but we have to do everything we can. To know that we can is important. That’s why we’ve initiated this particular layer of security for us.

Rick:

I’ve got to tell you, Dr. Ingle, we’ve got listeners in every state, actually all over the world, and we’ve get a whole lot of folks that are definitely Second Amendment supporters and biblically believe in the right of self-defence. And the fact that you guys are doing this– I guarantee you there’s parents out there right now going, “Wait, what was that school?”

It’s called Southeastern University, it’s in central Florida, and if you like what you’ve heard today you need to go check that out for the place to go get your education or to send your kid. Dr. Ingle, I appreciate you, man. This is the, I think, a great merge of Biblical worldview that you’ve got as a leader of that university applied to the culture and the difficulties of a fallen world that we live in. It’s just– it’s inspiring. I hope our legislators that listen to us across the country are listening.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Yeah.

Rick:

This is the kind of stuff we need to see in every state.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Amen. Absolutely. Thank you so much.

Rick:

Well, appreciate your time, man. Thank you for coming on. Keep up the great work there. We’ll put the website – its SEU.edu. So, that’s Southeastern University – or you can just google Southeastern University in Florida. But SEU.edu and we’ll have a link for folks today. Dr. Ingle, God bless you, man, thanks for coming on.

Dr. Kent Ingle:

Rick, take care.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Avalon Project

Tim:

Hey, guys, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders. I know you hear my dad and Rick talk a lot about our Founding Fathers about the original intent of our nation, a constitutional heritage that we have. And really we’ve seen how far we slipped away from that. And I know a lot of us as we hear my dad and Rick talk think, “I wish there was a place that I could go where I could see these documents and I could read and learn about the Founding Fathers firsthand.  See the things they did.”

I want to give you some websites today that can help you accomplish that very thing. If you get online you can go to places like Library of Congress and you can look under their century of lawmaking or historical documents. You can go to the Avalon Project, to the Founders Constitution, Google Books, or even the internet archives.  

Or you can just go to WallBuilders.com. We have a section for our WallBuilders Library. And under that section we have different subgroups for historical documents, historical writings, even a place where you can get helpful links to find out more information about other websites.  Where you can do research for yourself and find the truth for yourself. Friends, this is the time that we need to know who we are and where we came from. WallBuilders.com is a great place to go.

Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us all WallBuilders Live. Special thanks to Kent Ingle for joining us from Southeastern University there in Florida.

We’re back with David and Tim now. And, guys, I’m not kidding– that’s a school people ought to check out. It’s really cool to talk to a school president like that. Obviously, he cares about the kids that are there, but the biblical approach he’s taken to this, and the methodical approach, and just his practical defense, and making sure he’s protecting those kids, is really refreshing.

Layers of Security

David:

I love what he said about they create layers of security and that layers aspect. Because there are layers to this. One layer is you can teach religion and morality. And teaching that teaches a self restraint and the control necessary to avoid things like this.

But they also are on the prevention side. So, on the prevention side of having a highly trained faculty and staff there. We kind of mentioned in the first segment, but 98 percent of mass shootings have occurred in gun free zones. And if you go to that university and know that there’s professors all over the university that are highly trained with guns – a hundred hours of training – you don’t know which class you’re going to be messing with and you’re going to be really careful.

Tim:

Which is, by the way, more than what a police officer, what a sheriff’s deputy, what those guys actually do with handgun training – that’s more training than those guys receive. So, at this point you’re talking about someone who, potentially, is better trained for sure, but potentially more effective with their firearm than even police officers are.

And I love what he said with whatever God and entrusts to you, you’re supposed to protect. I thought that’s a great perspective to look at this. So, if you’re a parent, right, you believe, “I’m going to protect my kids. God gave those to me.” Right. As a husband, I want to protect my family -God gave that to me.

Well, he recognizes in our position God’s entrusted us with these students and we’re going to protect what God has entrusted to us. Such a great way to look at this. And part of how they’re doing it is to make sure that they’re not going to be vulnerable victims. In this situation that they’re ready to be the shepherd protecting the sheep from a wolf that might come in. And gone through extensive training – scenario based, right, shooting repetition, just really remarkable what this Christian college is doing.

A Great Place to Look At Sending Kids

David:

So, it’s got a great approach. And again, Rick, this is a great place to look at sending kids. Because when they’ve got that attitude about your kids, that that’s a charge and trust they have and are going to protect. I mean, the prevention side of these highly trained folks on campus. The prevention side of they also teach religion and morality as well.

And the other thing that nobody is really talking much about is that in 28– in the last 28 mass shootings, 27 of the 28 shooters came out of a home where there was no father present in the home. That’s another prevention thing. Rather than regulate guns, hey, why don’t we make family strong again? Why don’t we go back and change the marriage laws to where you can’t just run off and– We used to have a tough marriage laws before ‘68. So, that’s another long term solution – not really part of this discussion, but that’s part of the prevention we can do as well.

Tim:

And, dad, I’ll point out that for a few of them, I think I remember reading that actually their fathers had died when they were young. And so for some of them it wasn’t the abandonment, but certainly in a culture that kind of promotes this sexual licentiousness that you can have sex and leave and dads aren’t– they don’t have to stay around, and single motherhood, and we kind of praise that today, and moms are strong, and they can do.

Not to diminish strong moms, but we cannot undermine the value of the father in the home. And the difference a father makes instilling values in his son. This is where we certainly need those active father figures to make a difference in their son’s lives.

Security: Florida Sheriff Arms Local Teachers and Protects Students

Rick:

Thanks again, guys. Lots of great points today. Again, Dr. Kent Ingle, appreciate him coming from Southeastern University and being on the program with us today.

More information at our website today – WallBuildersLive.com. Thanks to all of you for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.

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