Shootings- What Is The Real Reason For The Increase Of Gun Violence: In today’s program syndicated columnist and economist Walter Williams will be with us. People want to blame the increase in violence on guns but what is the true cause of the increase in mass shootings and gun violence? And what can we do to combat this epidemic? Tune in now to find out.

Air Date: 06/26/2018

Guest: Walter Williams

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

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Guns Haven’t Changed, People’s Hearts Have Changed

Later in the program syndicated columnist and economist Walter Williams will be with us. Thrilled to have him back on the program today. David, Tim, in fact I think what he’s going to talk about later in the program you guys know well because of some of the artifacts you have in the library at WallBuilders.

Guns have not changed, people’s hearts have changed. And yet people want to blame the increase in violence on guns. Yet if you go back to our schools the old days, you guys even have some of the curriculum for the rifle courses used in these schools- and you know, old days, even 40-50 years ago.

Tim:

Yeah actually, Rick, so we have a school book, that you’re referencing, that is a public school textbook from the 1970s. And as you mentioned the old days, like that’s the really old days. That’s you know, we have a lot in the history collection, and that’s an old piece of history.

As Recent as the 1970s & 80s Guns Were a Commonality on School Campuses Without Accidental Shootings 

Rick:

This is the 1970s or the-

David:

That goes back almost to the pilgrims.

Tim:

If you were in school in the 1970s, I mean wow. If you’re still around, that’s impressive. Get ready to meet Jesus. It’s coming soon. So I don’t know how many people I just offended but maybe, you know, because it’s so old they had a hard time hearing that because it’s from the 70s. Yeah, so-

Rick:

You know David, usually the old jokes only refer to you. But that one hits both of us.

David:

Oh I’m sitting back laughing at this one. Because that is so pointed at you. I’m just, you know, this is kind of fun. Usually they’re pointed at me, but this one is pointed at you.

Tim:

I’m just impressed he stayed up with the joke.

Rick:

I can’t hear you guys, hang on let me adjust, I need to adjust my hearing aid here- hang on, OK. Alright now maybe I can, let’s try that again.

Tim:

Well so I mean obviously part of the joke is the fact that this is not that old of a textbook.

Rick:

Right.

Tim:

Right. So this is something that not that long ago was still the reality of what we did. In fact, one of our good friends, we had him on the program before, Congressman Barry Loudermilk from Georgia.

Congressman Barry Loudermilk Used to Bring His Own Guns to High School

Now we were talking with him about the Second Amendment. And many times we see him have great conversations. He really is someone we appreciate what he’s doing with faith in our nation and upholding those values in Washington D.C.. But Barry was telling us that sometimes he’ll go speak in public schools. And when he goes to speak in public schools, he’ll talk to students about this kind of, guns and shooting and these issues in culture. And he’ll ask the students and say, “Hey, what would you say if I told you that a kid had driven a school, and in this kid’s truck was a fully loaded semi-automatic rifle and a fully loaded shotgun? What would you think was about to happen at school?”

And you know he’s eliciting these responses.  Of course most of the kids are saying, “Well it’s probably, you know, the next school shooter. This is going to happen etc.” He says and then it always kind of cracks him up, because he’ll say, “Well, what would you say if I told you I was that boy in high school?”

You know, of course, every kid’s like, “What? Congressman, you drove to school with rifles and shotguns in your truck?” And he explains, “Well actually I was part of the football team, and every day after football practice, or off season as it were, the football coach told all the boys, ‘Hey, bring your rifles and we’ll go out to the football field and we’ll practice shooting everyday after school.’ And so all the boys at school would bring their rifles and shotguns. And we’d all go practice everyday.” He says, “And I tell the kids in the midst of that nobody ever got shot. There were never any gun accidents. But there were loaded guns at school every single day.” This was 19-

The Core of the Issue Is Not the Object, But he Heart Behind It

David:

And by the way, I’m going to point out, this is not the 70s you were making fun of. This is the 1980s.

Tim:

Yeah, this was 1982. And so that’s actually the year I’m born. But 1982 is when this is happening. He’s in high school in 1982. So this again is not that far removed. But yet today we want to blame guns for all of the problems. And of course guns, if anything goes wrong it has to be the gun. It can’t be the criminal, it can’t be the bad guy.

Which, so part of the irony even in the midst of this is London is realizing that it’s not just guns that are the problem, right. So London is now saying that, “Well we have to regulate knives. Because now more people are dying with knives because guns are illegal over in London. And so now we have to get rid of kitchen knives because kitchen knives kill people.” Well eventually you’re going to have nothing left in London but like some swimming nerf noodles. Right? Like everything can kill somebody.

And until we come to the heart of the issue, we’re going to keep blaming inanimate objects that are not capable of doing anything on their own without human interference and human interaction. But we don’t want to blame humans in the culture we live in, even though, at this point there’s not anything else that makes very much sense.

Why Are There Less Guns Today But More Shootings?

David:

You know, Tim, you were talking about the 1970s and 1980s. We saw an article recently by Walter Williams- great professor, I love his stuff. Love his works. And so we saw this article where he was talking about guns then and now, and part of the differences in attitude. But how come we had a whole lot more guns years ago with less shootings, and we have less guns now with more shootings? And so how did we get to that point?

And so we thought that’d be a great article to have him cover and talk about. Because he made so many good points in this. So Walter Williams our guest.

Rick:

Walter Williams will be with us when we return. Stay with us right here on WallBuilders Live.

American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Many today wrongly claim that our Founding Fathers were largely atheists, agnostics, and deist.

Certainly some Founders were less religious than others, but even they were not irreligious. Consider Benjamin Franklin, definitely one of the least religious among them, yet, when the delegates at the Constitutional Convention hit an impasse in their deliberations it was Franklin who called them to prayer, invoking numerous scriptures to make his point.

As he reminded them, “God governs in the affairs of men. If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured in the sacred writings that, except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this.”

So, even the least religious of America’s Founders urged public prayer in dependence on God. For more information about the faith of the Founding Fathers go to WallBuilders.com.

Walter Williams Professor of Economics at George Mason University

Rick:

Welcome back! Thanks for being with us here on WallBuilders Live. Professor Walter Williams back with us. He’s professor of Economics at George Mason University. Hopefully you’re reading his writings. One of my favorite authors and economists. Dr. Williams, good to have you back sir.

Walter Williams:

Thanks for inviting me.

Rick:

A great article and a front page magazine on guns and past versus present Americans. You point out at 82, you can look back to a day when we had guns more easily available and a whole lot less problems.

They Blame the Gun and Ignore America’s Declining Morality

Walter Williams:

Oh yes, absolutely right. As a matter of fact, if you look at the Sears Roebuck catalogue of 1902, of course I wasn’t around at the time, but there are 35 pages of gun advertisements. You just send in your money and you get your gun. Their high schools, had rifle teams. Kids would bring their guns along with them to school, and turn it in to the coach or whoever was in charge of the team. And so there wasn’t all the shooting that we had today. So you have to ask the question, “Well, have guns gotten meaner?”

Rick:

Right. Has the attitude of the gun changed?

Inanimate Objects Cannot Act

Walter Williams:

That’s right. And so what people are doing with this, you know the anti-gun movement, is that they’re blaming inanimate objects. Inanimate objects cannot act. And they’re ignoring the decline in morality in among the American people.

Rick:

Well you point out in the article the level of violence in the schools, you know not even necessarily gun related, just the assaults- I could not believe the numbers that you showed in Baltimore and Philadelphia, both, hundreds of assaults on teachers every year.

Violence in Schools, Mass Shootings, and Teachers Being Regularly Assaulted

Walter Williams:

Oh yeah. Matter of fact in Baltimore, in 2010, there were average of four teachers and staff that were assaulted each school day.

Rick:

Wow.

Walter Williams:

I think in 2015, 300 school staff members that required, you know, filed workers compensation claims because injuries that were received through assaults. In Philadelphia, the school system hires 400 school policemen. And I went to school in Philadelphia. I was in school I guess from the early 40s until the mid 50s. And the only time I saw a policeman in school was during an assembly and we had to listen to some boring discussion by an officer friendly talking about safety.

Rick:

Just was nonexistent to have the idea of metal detectors, and guards, and that sort of security at a school.

Assaulting or Even Cursing a Teacher Used to Be Unthinkable

Walter Williams:

You’re absolutely right. And the idea of assaulting a teacher was just you know- matter of fact, or even to curse a teacher, was just plain unthinkable at the time I was going to school. But teachers today get routinely cursed and they’re just happy that they’re not assaulted.

Rick:

It’s amazing that we don’t step back and look at the big picture. Instead, when there’s a shooting, we don’t look at the perpetrator or the level of violence in the country. We wonder how they got the gun.

Walter Williams:

Yeah that’s absolutely right. And when one of these murders runs down people with a truck, or car, or a bomb, we don’t blame trucks. We don’t call for a waiting period for trucks, or cars, or-

Rick:

That’s right.

“We Should Confront the Individual as Opposed to the Object”

Walter Williams:

-or pressure cookers. We blame the individual. We should do the same thing when it happens, when there’s shootings. That is we should confront the individual as opposed to the object.

Rick:

That is such a good point. Because really, I mean the terrorist weapon of choice right now is a truck. That we’re seeing more of that than pretty much any other assault. Because they just take that big truck and run over a crowd of people. And I haven’t heard anybody calling for background checks before you get your driver’s license, or car control, or truck control, none of that’s happening.

Walter Williams:

Yeah, because people would view it as sheer lunacy to blame a truck as opposed to the individual. But for some reason they don’t see it as lunacy to blame a gun instead of the individual.

The Second Amendment Is a Protection Against a Tyrannical Government

And then I think a whole lot of the problem in our country is that most Americans do not know why the framers of the Constitution gave us the Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms, in the first place. And I have these quotes at my website WalterEWilliams.com. It’s under “Keep and Bear Arms”. And the framers explicitly said that they want the Americans, under the worst condition have a means of protecting themselves against the United States government.

Rick:

Yeah that is a foreign concept right now. Everybody seems to think today, your average American would probably answer the Second Amendment is for hunting. But it has nothing to do with pheasants. It’s about freedom. It’s about protecting yourself from the potential of a tyrannical government.

“Fear of Government Is Not an Irrational Thing”

Walter Williams:

That is absolutely right. And matter of fact, people like Hamilton and George Mason, they actually came out and said that when the representatives of the people go beyond their limits, the Americans have at least one last resort. And I don’t think that the fear of government is an irrational thing, that most of the evil done in the world is done by government.

Rick:

We would have to ignore, certainly the last 200 years, but all of human history to think that we could ever say, “Oh we don’t ever have to worry about our own government. It’s never going to get out of control.”

Walter Williams:

That’s right. And for the listeners to look at what has been done by government. There’s a website it’s called “Death by Government”. And it’s a statistics written by a late Professor Rummel. And he cites all of the murder, the murderous regimes around the world- Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zedong. But the basic point that he makes is most people have been murdered by their own governments.

We Need to Get Back to Holding the Individual Accountable

Rick:

Well Professor if we can get people to actually look at the individual, and once again holding people accountable. Because I’m guessing the pattern begins, if you go back to that classroom discussion we were having, you know once you start saying to the kid they can smart off to the teacher and act however they want and without any consequences, then they just take the next logical step.

I mean that’s the nature of man. And it gets worse and worse. If we go back to those classrooms 50s, 60s, 70s, as we started letting up on that and not holding a child accountable when they acted out in a negative way. We probably wouldn’t have ended up where we are now. But how do we reverse that trend over the last-

It Requires a Moral Reawakening Among American People

Walter Williams:

I don’t have the slightest idea. I think it requires that there be a moral reawakening among American people. And what we American People have told these vicious people, we in effect said to them, “Look, you may impose pain on other people, but no pain will ever be imposed on you.”

Like the guy who shot up all those kids at the school in Florida. He’s not going to suffer any pain. I mean he’s being treated with kid gloves. And if he’s executed, there’s no pain associated with that either.

Punishment and Consequences for Bad Behavior Are Critical

Rick:

Wow.

Walter Williams:

And so I know with me, you know my mother will probably be in jail today because I experienced a lot of pain on my butt. And worst time to get a spanking is in the summertime when the windows are open and all your friends can hear you copping the plea. When you come outside they’d start teasing you.

Rick:

That’s the truth. So right. So right. Oh man I tell you. We’ve essentially created, that we put the formula in place that produces results. We can go back to that old formula and values like your mom used we’d have a different culture.

More Articles at WalterEWilliams.com

Well, Professor, it’s always an honor to have you sir. More articles at WalterEWilliams.com, WalterEWilliams.com. Keep doing a great job there at George Mason. If you see my nephew Kyle working for the Mercatus Institute there give him a hard time for me.

Walter Williams:

Oh yes, yes, yes. I know a lot of people very well with the Mercatus.

Rick:

All right, well keep up the great work. Thank you for your time today sir.

Walter Williams:

Ok, good bye.

Rick:

Stay with us folks. Right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Rick:

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Special Thanks to Walter Williams

Rick:

Welcome back! Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live. Thanks to Walter Williams for joining us today as well.

Back with David and Tim Barton. And guys, he of course makes, as always, great points. But it is nice to have him at 82, give us that perspective of several generations of watching the violence increase. And as he put it, “The guns didn’t just get meaner.”

I love that. There’s a much bigger picture here and much bigger problem. But I had no idea the level of violence in the public schools right now against teachers. That I knew it happened sometimes, but hundreds of times a year in each of those school districts he mentioned?

David:

Oh the violence against teachers- and by the way, he may be 82, he is sharp, man.

Tim:

He didn’t sound 82.

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

He is articulate. He is quick. You know you read his pieces and they’re just, I don’t know, Ben Shapiro kind of stuff, it’s that kind of sharpness. And before we talk about teachers, I was just floored at the fact that he was talking about the Sears catalog with 35 pages of gun advertisements and you order it through the mail! You send the money and it delivers through the mail.

People Used to Order Guns In the Sears Catalog 

Tim:

So guys, what’s the Sears catalog? Can you catch me up on that one? Is that like an early app? Or is that online? How did that work?

David:

Oh my gosh.

Rick:

The Amazon of the early-

David:

We got three generations in here. This is a problem- look you deal with history, you should at least know it from history what it was.

Tim:

I mean I think I’ve seen like a magazine or something, and there were pictures of clothes and-

David:

No magazine is what goes in the guns. That’s what we, you kn0w, that’s in 20 or 30-

Tim:

Oh no no, that’s right, yeah- Oh those are the meaner guns though. The meaner guns have magazines- actually I think the mean guns have clips, is what the liberals like to say. Which lets you know they don’t know what we’re talking about. Right.

David:

Yeah, right.

The Concept of Age Restrictions for Guns Used to Be Totally Different 

Tim:

But no, that’s so interesting because I even thought as he was saying that- you know, if you literally, you’re just sending off to get a gun there really is not even a good way that they can even verify, authenticate your age. So at this point, if you have to be like a certain age, right, to purchase a firearm, they really can’t even verify how old you are. So you are buying- I mean in the sense of just how easy the access was to this- you are buying a firearm that they can’t even verify or validate that you are potentially of legal age to own it.

Which actually raises an interesting question- what would that have meant that, you know 60 years ago, legal age for owning firearms was different? Because I don’t actually know when the legal age came in.

Children Used to Shoot Fully Loaded Gallery Rifles at Carnival Booths Without Accidental Shootings 

David:

Well that’s all new stuff. Go back to what are called Gallery guns. Gallery guns are 22 rifles, and Gallery guns, I mean they’re full guns, they’re pump guns that will hold 17 shots. They hold a lot. They’re called Gallery guns because you as a kid would go to the carnival. And at the carnival there were all, just like there’s all these rides in the midway, you get to shoot targets.

And so as a kid, you lay out your dime, you go over, you pick up a 22 fully loaded rifle, 17 shots, and you as a kid are shooting a 22 rifle as a gallery. That’s why it’s a gallery gun, you’re in a shooting gallery. Today we use laser stuff in galleries. But back then you’re a young kid, you’re 7, 8, 10 whatever you are, you’re picking up a loaded 22 and shooting in a gallery. There was not the concept of age in the same way.

Tim:

In a public place in a public setting, in a crowded place, you are giving kids guns. Which would be unthinkable today, that we don’t want guns in crowded places because guns kill people. And yet many years ago, we used to- Dad as you’re mentioning, I mean we used to think, “Yeah this kid can shoot this gun that’s loaded.” And I mean obviously, I’m sure there had to be oversight, right? Whoever’s working the carnival, working this booth, is watching. Nonetheless-

The Change Goes Beyond the Object and The Mass Shootings, It’s a Decline of Morality in the Culture

David:

But let me point out that at carnivals you get thousands of people going through. It’s kind of like Six Flags amusement parks or whatever it is, Kings Dominion- but you get thousands of kids going through this. And certainly I’ve not read every document in history of United States, but I’ve never seen a single document where that someone got shot at a carnival with a gallery gun. I’ve never seen a single instance. And it may have happened and it probably did happen.

Tim:

And I would say even if there was an incident of somebody getting shot with a Gallery gun, you certainly have never heard of mass shootings-

David:

-with a Gallery gun.

Tim:

-with someone at a carnival with a gallery gun. And you’re talking about, if you have 17 rounds, right, I mean this could be a mass shooting scenario. But back to the point, is it’s not that the guns have gotten meaner. Or at this point, you know, it’s easier to have guns and that’s why we have more gun problems, and gun accidents, and gun deaths. No it’s not because we have greater access to guns. It has to be something beyond just the inanimate object that has changed to see the difference in what we do in culture now.

Rick:

Well that would come back to the whole idea of, as he said, the value system. You know when I asked him, we’ll answer was this when we come back from the break, when I asked him what do we do. First he said no, but then he said we’ve got to have a restoration of morals and have the moral values come back. Stay with us folks. More on that when we return on WallBuilders Live.

Leadership Training Program

Rick:

Hey, friends! We’ve got a great program to share with you today. It’s the WallBuilders Leadership Training Program and it’s an opportunity for 18 to 25 year olds to come spend two weeks diving into the original documents we’re always talking about here on WallBuilders Live.

Tim, you’ve already been doing this a couple of summers and seen the results of young people coming to this program. We’re going to see more of them coming this year.

Tim:

Yeah, Rick, it’s something that’s been cool to see the transformation with young people coming in. The emphasis, for us, largely is a pursuit of truth. We have a culture that doesn’t know what truth is. We don’t know what biblical truth is, or constitutional truth, or the American heritage that we have. And so we really dive into original documents and say, “Well, what did they actually write? What did they actually do? Not just what did somebody say, what is actually true, and the truth is what’s transformational.

David:

Yeah, guys. This really is a remarkable opportunity. And for those who want to spend time with us and spend time in the original documents, this is a great program. So, if you’re from 18 to 25, or you know someone who’s 18 to 25, send them to sign up for one of our three sessions this summer at WallBuilders.com/leadershiptraining.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton with another moment from American History. The year after the American War for Independence ended we begin addressing the issue of Muslim terrorists in North Africa, who were attacking American ships, killing, and enslaving American seamen.

Congress dispatched John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to negotiate peace. When they asked the Muslim ambassador the reason for the unprovoked attacks he told them that it was written in their Qur’an, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them whenever they could be found.

Sixteen years of negotiations failed and in 1801 America send its military to crush the terrorists. When that war ended in 1805 the first American edition of the Qur’an was published, urging Americans to read the Qur’an to see for themselves that it’s teachings were incompatible with the safety and peace of non-Muslims. To see the first American Qur’an and to get more information about America’s first war on Islamic terror, go to WallBuilders.com.

There Has to Be a Restoration of Morals to Turn These Mass Shootings Around

Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live! Thanks for staying with us. And so much good stuff from Walter Williams guys. But he did say, I mean, we need a restoration of morals if you really want to turn this around.

David:

Yeah. When you asked him what do you do, and you know you’re talking about what we used to in classes, he says I don’t know, we need a moral reawakening.

It’s Not About What’s in Your Hands, It’s About What’s in Your Heart

He’s exactly right. It’s not what’s in your hand that makes a difference it’s what’s in your heart that makes a difference. And if you don’t have a morally controlled heart, you won’t have a hand that controls itself in the sense of not killing and not doing wrong things.

So his idea of you don’t blame inanimate objects, guns haven’t gotten meaner, what you need is a moral reawakening. That was a really good point.

And then he said the problem we have is that citizens don’t know why we got the Second Amendment. And the why we got the second amendment, and he laid it out, as most people are murdered by their own government. It’s when you put down your guns and the government has more guns than you, and you don’t have that gun. You can’t stop the government.

The Why of the Second Amendment Is It’s a Safeguard Against the Government

Tim:

But that’s only been true in the history of guns and government. If you look in times where there weren’t guns, government did not murder people with guns.

David:

I think it was swords, and spears, and catapults, and arrows-

Tim:

Oh that’s a good point, so I guess just the weapon isn’t what the problem was.

David:

Yeah I guess it’s not the weapon after all.

Tim:

Ok, ok, ok, ok.

There Is a Lack of Moral Clarity in Our Culture

David:

That moral reawakening. But I love it when he said too at the end, he said that you know, my mother would probably be in jail today. I experienced a lot of pain. And it’s like- yeah I relate. But you’re right, Rick, there’s no consequences for bad behavior. And so you know as you open, you were talking about all the violence in schools toward teachers, all the assaults toward teachers, 300 teachers just in one school system that in one year had to go on workman’s comp for assault. It’s just unbelievable the stuff that’s out there.

If Violence Is In Someone’s Heart, It Doesn’t Matter What’s In Their Hand

And those kids don’t have guns at school, by the way, that’s just in their heart. That’s the lack of moral clarity, the lack of moral reawakening. No guns are attacking those teachers with generally, it’s just attacking teachers. So when that’s in your heart, doesn’t matter what’s in your hand, you’re going to get somebody hurt.

Rick:

Well special thanks to Walter Williams for joining us today. Always an honor to have him here on the program, and we’ll have links to his website at our website WallBuildersLive.com today. And also visit those two websites WallBuildersLive.com and WallBuilders.com. So that you can help spread the word through this program.

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