Only Six More Years – Interview With Rabbi Daniel Lapin – Join us today for this one of a kind interview with Rabbi Daniel Lapin. Are there only six more years left of America as we know it?

Air Date: 07/20/2020

Guest: Rabbi Daniel Lapin

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton

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Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It’s WallBuilders Live, we’re looking at things from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. Here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Tim Barton is the national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator. And guys talk about a historical perspective when we do step back and look in history, we can actually see patterns, we can see things repeating themselves.

David:

And you can see patterns, but the problem is, if you don’t know the pattern, then you’re probably doomed to repeat it. But even with the big push towards socialism today, it’s easy to look back and say, you know what, throughout 5500 years of recorded history, socialism hasn’t worked. And you might not know that and that may be why you want to try it today. But if you know history, you don’t want to repeat patterns. And it’s not just socialism, but it’s forms of government and is behavior people and the importance of morals and so many other things you can point to.

So, having a knowledge of history and recognizing patterns throughout history can help you avoid repeating those patterns right now. And that really is probably something America should consider, because we really are getting to the point where we don’t know much for our own history, as evidenced by the statues we’re tearing down supposedly in the name of racism. And we’re actually going after civil rights leaders thinking they’re racist because we don’t our own history. So, patterns really are important.

Rick:

Well, one of the guys that definitely helps us look at those patterns is Rabbi Daniel Lapin. And it’s great to look at it, not only the context of American history, but going all the way back to that Old Testament history as well. So, always good to have him. We’ll take a quick break, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks so much for staying with us. Rabbi Daniel Lapin back with us. Folks, you got to go to his website Rabbidaniellapin.com or go to youneedarabbi.com. Rabbi, it’s always an honor to have you. Thanks for some time with us today.

Rabbi:

It’s an honor for me to be with you all. Thank you very much indeed, I love the work you do as you know.

Rick:

There are not many things that make me just stop and really have to think and just really dive deep. Your article, “Only Six More Years” is a wakeup call, big time, hopefully to the church and to all of America. “Only Six More Years for America”. You make an incredible case here for simply looking at history and saying this is not new. 250 years is what you peg it at four great societies like what we built

Rabbi:

It’s not hard to see, it really isn’t. All I did was shine a flashlight on to some of the details. You know, you can argue whether the Babylonian Empire began here and ended there or which part of the Roman Empire you want to count, but at the end of the day, which you find unarguable is that average-wise civilizations, cultures, empires ran for about 250 years. And when you realize that a generation is about 25 years, right, that’s pretty much everyone, you know, you’ll see some people say, oh, it’s 70 years, it’s nonsense. The word, generate or generation is literally from the word to bear a child in Latin. And that’s what it’s talking about.

So, if you look at somebody holding a baby and then look at their parents, you’re looking at three generations of the family and you’re pretty much looking at 75, 50 and 25 or whatever it is.

Rick:

That’s right.

Rabbi:

It’s generations do work out to be 25 years, just based on the reality of human reproductive maturity. And if that’s the case, then 250 years lifespan of a culture which we see, I mean, again, and again and again, the Mamelukes, the Ottomans, the Romans, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Russians, the French and the British and of course, America, now, because I think a lot of people are looking at what’s been going on for the last few months and saying, is this, you know, have we run our course? And of course, what’s so interesting is that the 10 10 generations that we see in the average 250 years, they all are related to the 10 generations from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham.

Rick:

Wow! So, those are 10 generations? From Adam to Noah is 10?

David:

Yeah. And from Noah to Abraham is another 10.

Rick:

Which today at 25 years, wow, the exact same.

David:

Yeah. And so, the idea is that what happens is, each generation regards as its starting point, the leaving point of the last generation. So, if instance, you know, if you look at the Turner Classic Movie channel from time to time, you will be able to watch movies from the 1930s and that’s 90 years ago in the story of America. And you will find that everybody, young men and women spoke of getting married and there was no casual sexual contact beforehand. There were thinking of raising families. There was a sense of patriotism. There was a sense of serving in the military.

And you realize that we’ve gotten very far in only 90 years. And what happens is, it’s very simple. When you think about it, each generation looks at the previous generation. You grow up, you weren’t raise the way your parents were raised, you were raised the way you were raised. And so, you start off where your parents left stuff as it was. So, for our generation, you know, we were sort of raising children and our children look around and they meet people in college and they have trouble understanding, why would we be opposed to homosexual marriage?

Rick:

Totally different perspective.

David:

But in our grandparents’ day, nobody even thought of that. It wasn’t even on the board.

Rick:

So, we feel like it changed in just a matter of five or six years, but really, it was a 25 year generational difference?

David:

Every generation feels that. Yes. Every generation feels that they can’t understand what the next generation or the grandchildren generation, they can’t relate to them. What are they doing? What are they thinking? Well, this is what is laid out. In the biblical 10 generations from Adam to Noah, there are specific names. I pointed out, you know, the Bible should had taken one verse, say hello, there were 10 generations from Adam to Noah. I mean, do we really care about the people? That weren’t the only names in that generation, there were thousands of people. So, why these names? Because in Hebrew, these names signify meaning. And what the 10 generations from Adam to Noah signify, is a very standard pattern. It’s a pattern that you find. We’ve got very good records on the collapse of the Roman Empire. We’ve got very good records on the collapse of the British Empire.

And you can see and now these 10 categories or these 10 steps that we see from Adam and Noah, and Adam and Seth, and each of the success of names is that the first name signifies a sort of a breakout in a conquest. Think of the early days of America. Think of the Northwest Ordinance. Think of the move to the Ohio River and then Manifest Destiny. That’s that first period and that’s what that first generation is up to.

The next generation is commercial expansion and huge, huge development of economic enterprise. And again, you read the books like well, and Ariel Durant story of civilization. And it’s 10 volumes. But it’s worthwhile because you can see the same story played out again and again. And new culture starts with all the virtues that come with new culture, the initiative and the excitement and the vision and the adventure and the bravery and the courage.

Well, the next thing is building of wealth. And then the thing after that, you find characterized in all of these stories is splendid buildings and sure enough, again in America, we certainly saw that, we saw cities being built, Washington, D.C. being laid out, wide avenues, impressive buildings. That’s the third stage. Fourth stage is…

Rick:

And each of these stages, you’re saying, of course, this is the American story we’re familiar with that you’re saying this is reflected in all of these stories?

David:

Yeah. Yes, replicated in everyone you want to look at.

Rick:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you said so we start with bold, you know, in your breakout conquest, then we have…

David:

Then we have motion expansion and then after that building, in other words, a sense of identity. And that starts showing up in roads and highways and stately public buildings and whether it’s government buildings or libraries or post offices, but they build nice buildings, because the money is there. And then the fourth level is widespread affluence. It just spreads. And then the next stage is the height, the top of the curve, that’s when things are as good as they get.

Rick:

You describe it as the zenith, the best of days?

David:

Yeah, exactly. And then what happens is that up to whim, up till this point, the society whichever one you’re talking about, had very strong military power. Think of Rome for instance. But what happens right after the effluence and the widespread wealth, everybody’s sort of, the problem of survival is long gone, nobody is worried about that. So, what now happens is that they replace their influence with money, not the military and the military declines in power. And think of the American period of foreign aid.

Rick:

Oh, yeah. The tremendous amount of money sent to other nations in order to get influence.

David:

Huge amount of money spent on buying influence internationally, but not with a military, because our military actually has not successfully projected influence since World War Two. You know, Korea, think of it what you will, Vietnam, the less said, the better. The whole Afghanistan and Iraq imbroglio, that’s cost huge amounts of blood and money and resulted in absolutely nothing…

Rick:

And certainly, not gained influence, lost influence…

David:

Gained nothing. No, absolutely not. So, the influence tends to become financial, which uses up huge amounts of money, usually accomplishes nothing. Then the next thing that happens after that is that instead of the builders and the generals running the country, no more Eisenhower’s anymore, now it becomes the intellectual and academic elite running the country. In other words, everyone running the country, all of a sudden has a PhD, which is a calamity. And then along with that is the rising political power of women. Now, why do I say that’s bad? And you’re not supposed to say things like that. Don’t cancel me, please.

Rick:

No worries.

David:

The reason is, it’s very easy to show how the states in the United States moved leftwards as women got the vote.

Rick:

Interesting.

David:

As women’s suffrage spread across the country, you notice in accordance with that passage, you can watch the country going left. And it’s an absolutely standard problem. We’ve seen it in the United Kingdom and all the way back to Rome. They write about it, it’s so noticeable and it’s problematic. Okay, it really is. So yeah, very unpopular to say that, it’s just a reality. And all I can say is thank God for smart women who have contacted me and said, thank God somebody is saying this. It’s absolutely true. So yes, it is true.

Then the next part will sound very familiar. The next thing that happens is huge, uncontrolled influx of foreigners. And, you know, we all hear that phrase and we think illegal immigration, but I could be talking about Rome. I could be talking about the Russian Empire. I could be talking about the Persian Empire. I could be talking about the Ottoman Empire. In each case, the collapse is preceded by an uncontrolled influx of people who have different sets of values.

Rick:

Same with the British Empire.

David:

Yeah, absolutely. And then the penultimate stage is eat, drink and be merry. Well, basically, you know, the ship is hitting an iceberg, but nobody cares. Just keep the bar open…

Rick:

That is so descriptive right there. Right? Because we we’ve been living off of the goodwill and the hard work of the previous generations and there’s still enough left that we can fool ourselves into thinking everything is okay. Yeah. Yeah.

David:

And then the final stages internal political and civic fracture. So that’s how it works.

Rick:

We’re watching it happen right before our eyes, right before eyes. 250 years, we’re at 244 from the…

David:

What we just celebrated Independence Day 244. Yeah.

Rick:

And every nation throughout history that you see it happening, you point out the one exception?

David:

Yeah, that’s the crazy thing. The Hebrew culture, the people of Israel, that’s the same culture. You see, what used to happen is that in an empire, the Ottoman Empire spread all the way across North Africa. The Arabs were in Spain. The Mamluk Empire, but the whole point of an empire is that everyone uses the same money and uses the same language. So, you can travel around an empire and it was a huge breakthrough in America, right? Europe still isn’t like this, in spite of the fact they’ve spent 60 years trying to build the European Union. But here in the United States, is a huge expensive land, 300 million people, 60 separate localities, all talking English. Well, these days, more Spanish, but all basically talking English and using the same dollar. That’s what an empire meant. It always meant that.

And so, it was that although Ancient Israel did not always control its land. There was nonetheless a diaspora where everybody could speak Hebrew. And for instance, nobody who speaks Mandarin today can understand the language of a dynasty 2000 years ago in China, all different languages. It’s one of the reasons Chinese have so many characters, because they just keep on adding on in.

In Greece or in Italy, nobody there can follow the language of the Romans or of Socrates in Athens. No, it’s changed. But Hebrew cultural, Israel culture of ancient Israel has survived. And they’ve survived because the built in rules and regulations of Judeo Christian-Bible based culture, keep the culture healthy. It’s stops that generation to generation slides.

Rick:

Interesting. And so, you’re suggesting that could happen here? Could?

David:

And I’m saying that America is exceptional. We have experienced supernatural intervention. But in my view, there are obviously secular historians who don’t agree with me, but I think there is enough evidence that we’ve had, I think, the founding of this nation in the first place, the confluence of so many extraordinary men and women at the center of things that made this happen, I think all of that was supernatural. But at any rate, I think there is reason to expect what I think of as the third great religious reawakening. And we shouldn’t underestimate the potential of an American religious reawakening, because the first one brought about the War of Independence. And the second one brought about the abolition of slavery, which was essentially a Christian driven movement. And if we have another one now, well, that could actually do it.

Rick:

A third great religious reawakening. And you think there’s a possibility that could essentially reset the table?

David:

I think it could happen. Yes. I don’t necessarily know how. I certainly don’t know when. But I spend enough time in Christian America to know that fervent, committed Christianity could come roaring back without any warning.

Rick:

For those who look at the dire circumstances right now and say it’s too late, there’s no hope, look how, I mean we’re barbarians all of a sudden. Take us back to the children of Israel leaving Egypt. They’re leaving 400 years of slavery, they don’t know how to live on their own. They had to start over. Right? So, those principles that God gave them, they worked for them to become a good society. It took time, but I mean, they were probably in worse shape than we are now in terms of their ability to form a functioning society, right?

David:

Yes, very much so. That is exactly right. At no stage did go ever say to Moses, you know, tell Pharaoh, let my people go. It was always let my people go so that they may worship in the desert. So, the idea of freedom, wasn’t freedom from, it was freedom to. It wasn’t that oh good, we don’t have any bosses anymore. No, we do. We just change Pharaoh for God. Different deal.

Rick:

Not freedom from, freedom to. That is good.

David:

Yeah. So, I mean, I think that is the key. Essentially, what modern liberalism has become is license. You know, nothing is prohibited except intolerance. And so, as a result, the boundaries always pushed.

Rick:

Yeah. And that’s also why pure libertarianism is just as dangerous as what the leftist are doing.

David:

Yeah, of course. And the left prides itself on being, well, we trust scientists. No, they actually don’t. Because science is pretty clear that every cell of the human body screens out its sex, either male or female. And the notion that you can undergo mutilation of body parts and call yourself another sex is very far from scientific, but it’s obviously counter biblical.

Rick:

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

David:

So, it’s good news and bad news, you know.

Rick:

Yeah. Yeah. No, but it’s so spot on. It’s amazing. I’ve never looked at that 10 generations how consistent that is, throughout history and what a warning for us.

David:

Yeah. The question to ask any Bible enthusiasts has to say, I mean, who cares about the names of 10 individuals in the 10 generations? Like why do we need that? It doesn’t even say they were governors or they were leaders. No, just names.

Rick:

And real quick. The 10 generations briefly summarized in those names even represent this. First, it’s bold breakout and conquest. Second is commercial expansion. Third, its splendid buildings. Fourth is widespread influence. Fifth is the zenith and the best of days. Sixth, extending influence beyond borders with money instead of military. Seventh, rising political power of women and of the intellectual and academic elite. Eight, influx of foreigners. Nine, eat, drink and be merry. And 10 internal political and civic fracture.

David:

Yes.

Rick:

And that’s where you think we are right now, that internal political and civic fracture?

David:

Yeah. Basically, it’s six years to go, if we’re lucky.

Rick:

So, powerful. Rabbidaniellapin.com. We’re going to have a link to this article is called, “Only Six More Years”, you’ve got to get the teachings. And Rabbi, you’ve got a ton of new videos on the website as well so people can go there and learn just watching those videos. We so appreciate you, appreciate your time.

David:

Thank you very much. Likewise, can’t wait to see you guys again soon.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks, we’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today and thanks again to Rabbi Daniel Lapin for joining us, we got his article and links to his website at our website today, wallbuilderslive.com. We’re back with David and Tim. Guys, so much to unpack and not a whole lot of time to unpack it. But man, he laid out basically the history of the world for us to learn from there.

David:

Well, it was really kind of embarrassing in some sense. Because, you know, I consider that we are fairly good on history, especially American history, but world history as well. And then when he started getting into 10 generations and this is the pattern for 10 generations. And here’s what happens in the first generation, the second generation, the third generation and he’s going through that pattern and he’s pointing to America and I go, oh, my gosh, he’s exactly right. That is when it shifted. That’s when we went from using military influence to trying to buy influence through money and we went from trying to buy influence through money to having the luxury and the influence.

And, you know, as he was pointing back to previous empires, whether it’s the Roman Empire or the Persian Empire, whatever, I mean, the pattern is super, super clear, but I had never seen that 10 generations pattern before or the 250 years, it really is fascinating. But I guess, it’s also a pretty good wakeup call and warning for where we might be if we don’t pay attention to kind of break the pattern.

Tim:

And that’s also interesting where as he identified nations throughout the world who followed this pattern that he did distinguish that people that follow the Bible where Israel and America could be different or Israel has been different. But also because we were talking about this even as we’re listening to Rabbi Lapin is, it’s interesting as he’s talking about 10 generations. When you look at some of the genealogy in the Old Testament, even leading to Jesus, you don’t see the same 10 generation gap all the way through where sometimes it’s 14 generations before this or 14 generations before that. And that’s where he points out. Well, it was different for Israel. And this is where you ask the question, can it also be different for America? Can we be a nation that remembers who God is? And it changes some of that thought and some of our behavior and some of our culture, it’s a really interesting perspective.

Rick:

So, I was appreciative of not just the bad news, but the good news, right? The fact that he thinks we can turn this around, that is Israel actually gives us an example of that. Doesn’t mean they didn’t go through horrible times and tough times and pay the consequences for their mistakes. But we can save this culture if we come back to those founding principles.

David:

Yeah. And the point you make is really important, Rick, that doesn’t mean there’s no consequences to it. You can come back. You know, Israel went into captivity as part of the consequences, but they came back from captivity. Israel was wiped out for a time, but actually, they now exists as the only modern nation we have that’s been reborn from 2000 years absence.

And I’m not saying America is going to go through that. But it is the thing that sometimes, you get a spanking along the way. I mean, you’re still God’s kid and he still loves you. But if you’re going to break his rule, sometimes there’s consequences of that and so, America has broken a number of those rules. But that doesn’t mean we have to end 250 years. It does mean that if we will turn around and move in the right direction, start adopting the right principles. We can turn this thing back and I think that’s just terrific hope and terrific optimism. But it’s also going to take a pretty good sized commitment on our part to get to that place where we can do it.

Rick:

Well, folks out there, that’s really the purpose of WallBuilders. It’s very reason that scripture was used out of Nehemiah. We’re rebuilding the walls. We’re rebuilding the foundations. And you get to be a part of that. Check it out at wallbuilderslive.com today, that’s where you can donate to help what we’re doing. Also, at wallbuilders.com, get some of those materials and tools and you be part of the solution. Every one of us has a role to play and Rabbi Lapin has shared with us how important it is to play that role and do our part.

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