The Ten Commandments, Are They Covered In The Bill Of Rights: It’s Foundations of Freedom Thursday, a special day of the week where we get to answer questions from you, the listeners! Always answering your questions from constitutional principles! Tune in today as we answer your questions such as, why are people removing our historic statues, are the Ten Commandments covered in the Bill of Rights, is it constitutional for our governments to regulate moral laws, and so much more, right here on WallBuilders Live!

Air Date: 09/07/2017


Guests: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Intro:

Calvin Coolidge said, “€œThe more I study the Constitution, the more I realize that no other document devised by the hand of man has brought so much progress and happiness to humanity. To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.”€

Rick:

I love hearing Founding Father quotes out of the mouths of babes, we get to do that every Thursday. Welcome to WallBuilders Live, it’s Foundations of Freedom Thursday. We do this special program on Thursday but every day here on WallBuilders Live we’re talking about today”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and how they impact the culture. We”€™re always doing it from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

But on Thursday”€™s we kind of zero in on the constitutional questions and we let your questions drive our conversation.

You can send in questions to us, send them to Radio@WallBuilders.com. Thursday is the day that we try to get to those. You may have questions about the Founders, it might be about some issue of the day, the Constitution, Biblical perspective on an issue of the day, or whatever it might be. Please send them in and we’ll get to as many of those as we possibly can.

We’re here with David Barton, he’s the founder of WallBuilders, he’s America’s premier historian, he’ll be answering your questions today. My name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state representative and a national speaker and author.

You can find out more about David, myself, our whole team, the ministry, what we do, all of it at our websites WallBuilders.com and WallBuildersLive.com. I do encourage you to visit WallBuilders.com for resources, for your family, for your church, for your school, or just as a citizen it has some great tools and articles you can read, it has some videos, and books, and different things to equip you to be a good citizen. So check that out at WallBuilders.com.

Then at WallBuildersLive.com, if you traveling around the country and you want to know what stations you can listen to us on, there’s a whole list there, a map that you can click on the states and get a list of all the 300 stations around the country. Then you can also listen to some of the past programs, if you missed some of the shows, you can get those at the website WallBuildersLive.com.

Why Are People Removing Our Statues

Rick:

David, fun day, I always love Foundation of Freedom Thursday. We get a lot of great questions, are you ready to dive in today?

David:

You bet, let’s go for it.

Rick:

Kind of going to pick up on where we left off last week. We had some great questions last week. You went into the history of the Founders and this idea that some of these guys might have even had slaves and yet were still very anti-slavery. Then how a small minority of the signers of the Declaration were actually pro-slavery with a vast majority of them being anti-slavery, including many of those that actually came from families with slaves and had to deal with those issues throughout their life.

You covered that really well last week. But there was another question that is kind of along those lines because it has to do with this real push to tear down statues and remove history all across the country. Here’s the question from Brett.

“€œWhen I’m trying to make sense of the removing of history from our culture, I really can’t think of anyone else in the position you’re into make sense of it all. Will you be having a special video or anything concerning this idea of public removal of statues? I’m just totally confused about this and have in your opinion would do well as a baseline for starting to sort this all out. Thank you, Brett.”€

Brett, you’re not alone. As people are watching this happen, sometimes not watching it because sometimes it’s happening in the middle of the night like at the University of Texas they just snuck out and removed Robert Lee and other people from our history. But as people are watching this happen on the news they are going, “€œWait a minute, this is our history. Some of it we’re not necessarily proud of, but it’s still our history. How can we just erase these kinds of things?

So, David, how can we help Brett and others in our audience, frankly, me as well makes sense of all this and why people want to just remove the history completely?

David:

Let me change directions a little bit. Would you say from what you’ve seen through studies, polling, whatever, that we are less historically literate today than we were 20 years ago?

Rick:

I would say yes. Less than 20 years ago, and far less than 20 years before that, and 20 years before that. We’d probably have to go back a good hundred years to get to a generation that actually understood the importance of studying history. But I may be wrong on that.

David:

Judging by your sarcastic laugh there, in the last 20 years we’ve taken a nosedive on historical knowledge, right?

Rick:

Yeah, I would think. Let me back up, let me hedge my bet here. Because there has been, as you and I both have traveled the country, I think we’ve seen an increase in the audiences we’ve been to, at least their interest-

David:

Their interest, but I’m talking about actual results coming out of the classroom.

Rick:

If you’re talking about from our education system then it”€™s a safe bet for me to stick with my first chuckle and gut reaction, which is, definitely more ignorant when it comes to history today than 20 years ago.

The Less We Know About History The More We Take Statues Down

David:

We saw documented earlier this year that at the top 76 universities in America, at 65 of those universities, history majors do not have to take a single course in American history. So you’re coming out, going back to a school to teach history somewhere, you’re coming out to go do a curriculum in a school, and you have not had a single course in American history.

Rick:

This isn’t your music majors, or your athletes, or liberal arts, but this is history majors.
David:

History majors without a single course in American history to graduate, without a single course. Thirty hours or 10 courses, or however many courses, 10 courses usually to get a degree in history. They are required to take courses on Asian history, or South American history, but not on American history, and they’re going back to be history majors.

Rick:

Which means, like you said, they”€™ll probably end up teaching history or in some other way impacting and influencing other people on this topic of history. No wonder we’ve got so much America hatred, and lack of any love of our nation or our exceptionalism, or not even knowledge of it in the classrooms.

David:

Now, how come the less we know about our history, the more we want to take our statues down? The problem is, and this is a great reflection, when you know more about history you’re not scared of statues like that.

I can walk up to any Confederate statue, point to them, and tell exactly what happened in the Civil War, what happened before, what happened after, and what happened with reconstruction, Jim Crow.

I can use that Civil War statue is a great lesson on civil rights, on how that we did not follow what the Declaration of Independence said about all men being created equal, how we paid the price of six hundred twenty thousand lives as a result, because we did not follow the principles of the Declaration. You take any statue in the United States, I’m not scared to tell you what you can learn from that statute and whether it’s a good guy or a bad guy.

A Broken Education System Is What Got Us Here

Today, we are so shallow, we’re at the point where that 48 percent of elected officials can not name the three branches of government. We’re at the point where 62 percent of Americans cannot name the three branches of government and 70 percent of Americans don’t know that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Therefore, we elect our presidents on one, and two, and three-word phrases. “€œChange.”€ Oh, that’s great. Let’s give you eight years. “€œMake America great again.”€ Oh, that’s good. That’s good for four years.

Wait a minute, really? On platitudes? Because we know nothing about the Constitution, we know nothing about government, or its operations, so we’re into really shallow stuff.

Now, if I take you into Israel, or not Israel the nation, let”€™s go to the Bible for a minute, there are some good kings and there are some bad kings.

King David is a great king. King Ahab is a really bad king. If I take you to Israel, the land of the Bible, they have monuments there to David, they have the city of David, they have David’s palace, and they’ve also got streets named after Ahab, and they’ve got monuments built to Absalom. Are you kidding me? Absalom tried to kill David.

“€œThey’ve got monuments to him?”€ Yeah, you see, in Israel, they’re not scared of their history. They can look at history and say, “€œHere’s the good stuff, and here’s the bad stuff.”€

And if you want to talk about bad stuff, let’s talk about Hitler’s Germany. Let’s talk about the 13 million that were exterminated, six million Jews, seven million gentiles, they took out a Catholic priests, I mean, they just exterminate like crazy. They not only have concentration camps they have extermination camps. Oh, they’ve kept those camps. In Poland, they have Treblinka and they still have Auschwitz down in Poland and Germany. They’ve still got Hitler’s bunker, and they’ve still got the SS headquarters, and Gestapo headquarters, and they keep all that.

Yeah, that’s right, they teach that. And you know, Germany has zero tolerance for neo-Nazis now. They will not put up with them because they know their history and they know what that leads to. They don’t tear those statues down, they don’t hide that stuff. They educate about this stuff.

But if you’re a historically illiterate people then all you go for is platitudes and shallow stuff. “€œHe disagrees with me so take that down.”€ Well, then if conservatives get control of everything, are we going to take down the FDR Memorial in Washington, D.C.? Or if liberals get control of everything are they going to take down the Ronald Reagan Building? Where does it stop? You use history and you say, “€œI can teach you about both sides because I learned history. I actually had some school and that’s what we teach in school history classes.”€

What is happening right now with the statues is a perfect indication of the fact that we have a completely broken education system on history. We can no longer tell the difference between right or wrong. We can no longer tell you what’s right and wrong in history. We don’t even know what the issue is about.

By the way, part of that history doesn’t mention that every one of those Confederate statues that had come down was of a Democrat hero. Every one of those statutes was a Democrat activist. Why don’t we talk about that? “€œHere’s what Democrats lead to.”€ I don’t hear that narrative going. Well, that’s because nobody knows that part of our history, but that’s also part of our history.

Rick:

Yeah, are they going after the Democrat leaders from the Jim Crow Laws in the 20″€™s and 30″€™s and all the other things that took place? I’m anxious to see what’s going to happen there. We”€™ve got to take a very quick break. We’ll be right back, more of your questions, and more that history that we all need to learn. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Outro:

Samuel Adams said, “€œThe liberties of our Country and the freedom of our civil Constitution are worth defending against hazards. And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.”€

A Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Too often today history education excludes great black heroes from the American founding. Such as Lemuel Haynes.

Haynes, though abandoned as a baby, pioneered churches across upper New England. He became the first black American to pastor a white congregation, to receive an honorary master’s degree, and to be ordained by a mainstream Christian denomination, The Congregationalist.

He was a soldier during the American Revolution and in his churches on George Washington’s birthday, he regularly preached sermons honoring George Washington. Even late in his life, he expressed his willingness to go back to battle if necessary to protect America, which he called, “€œa sacred ark.”€

American history is filled with numerous examples of black heroes who are largely ignored by mainstream education today. For more information about Pastor Lemuel Haynes and other colonial Patriots go to WallBuilders.com.

Intro:

George Washington said, “€œThe Constitution approaches near to perfection than any other government instituted among men.”€

Are The Ten Commandments Covered In The Bill Of Rights

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live, thanks for staying with us on this Foundations of Freedom Thursday.  More of these type of programs on our Website at WallBuildersLive.com. We try to do this every Thursday, take some of your questions and dive into those answers from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. David, we’ve got a question from Linda here that says, “€œAre the Ten Commandments covered in the Bill of Rights?”€

I know I’ve listened to your CD on God and the Constitution, you go through several different phrases in the Constitution and give Founders quotes on how those things in the Constitution, and certain principles and things point back specifically to scripture and various Bible verses that the Founders talked about. What about the Ten Commandments themselves?

David:

Ten Commandments and Bill of Rights really are not the same. They don’t go together. It’s easy to show the Ten Commandments had a huge impact in America’s civil law and statutory laws, a lot of stuff comes from the Ten Commandments.

Matter of fact, we have a document on the website WallBuilders.com about the Ten Commandments. It was actually used in a number of court cases. It shows that every single one of the Ten Commandments has been incorporated into American law.

As a matter of fact, even just a few years ago we still had a federal court saying that the 10th commandment of the Ten Commandments is the basis of our laws against election fraud, it’s the basis of our laws against embezzlement, etc. So even courts recognize how much the Ten Commandments integrate into our civil and statutory laws.

But when it comes to the Bill of Rights, that’s a different function. The Bill of Rights doesn’t say what is wrong, the Bill of Rights says what the federal government can and cannot regulate.

So the Bill of Rights sets forth inalienable rights that the federal government is not allowed to touch. These are God given rights that belong to every individual simply by virtue of the fact that they are human and they get these rights from God.

“€œGovernment, you’re not allowed to regulate our free exercise of religion. You’re not allowed to regulate our rights of conscience. You’re not allowed to regulate our freedom of assembly. You’re not allowed to regulate our defense of ourselves, the right to keep and bear arms. You’re not allowed to regulate the privacy of our homes.”€ And on and on it goes.

So the Bill of Rights is to tell the federal government what it can’t do. But the Ten Commandments, on the other hand, are given to individuals and what individuals can do. So there’s a different target with both.

Now granted, the Ten Commandments also apply to governments. Because when it says, “€œdon’t murder,”€ government shouldn’t murder either. And when it says, “€œdon’t commit perjury,”€ that applies to governments as individuals. But the Ten Commandments are civil laws that are given to regulate individual behavior and national behavior. And the Bill of Rights are a set of a listing of inalienable rights that the government is not to regulate. So different purposes for those two documents.

Rick:

Alright, got to take a quick break. That”€™s a very short segment today since we went a little bit longer on the first one. We’ll be right back, get some more questions, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live

Outro:

Thomas Jefferson said, “€œThe Constitution of most of our states and of the United States asserts that all power is inherent in the people that they may exercise it by themselves that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. That they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.”€

Pastors Only Briefing Trip

Tim:

Hi, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders and I want to encourage all the pastors out there with a unique opportunity that we’re presenting it WallBuilders. We’re doing a special tour just for pastors that you can come and learn more about the spiritual heritage of our nation. Not just seeing the sights but understanding the significance of what they are and what they represent.

We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at www.WallBuilders.com. And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor”€™s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

President Calvin Coolidge said.

Intro:

Calvin Coolidge said, “€œThe more I study the Constitution, the more I realize that no other document devised by the hand of man has brought so much progress and happiness to humanity. To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.”€

Is It Constitutional For Government To Regulate Moral Issues

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live, thanks for staying with us on this Foundations of Freedom Thursday, getting your questions. You can send those into radio@WallBuilders.com.

The next one comes from Sebastian, the question is, “€œIs it constitutional for our government to regulate people’s moral decisions and behavior with anti-drug and anti-prostitution policies?”€

David, this question, we ponder this a lot when it comes to where is the line, what authority does government have, and what have we the people giving them the authority to do?

Here we have these issues where you could take a very secular libertarian view,  “€œgovernment shouldn’t be involved in any of these things,”€ or a constitutional conservative view that says, “€œthere are some things that the government should say.”€ Not in our backyard, that’s just bad for our culture and society, every time you try it. But when we put that in the context of the Constitution how do you answer that?

David:

When you look at the Constitution you have to remember the Constitution was written to put into play the six principles from the Declaration of Independence. Those two documents cannot be separated, that”€™s why the Constitution, Article 7, dates itself to the Declaration, that is the founding document, the Constitution says, “€œOk, the Declaration gives the principles, the Constitution shows you how to operate under those principles. That’s why to become a state in the United States you have to agree to abide by the Declaration and the Constitution.

Founding Father, after Founding Father said those are not two separate documents, the Constitution did not replace the Declaration, the two are in force. So when you do that and go back to the Declaration, six principles in the Declaration, 155 words up front. One is, there is a God. Two, God gives a certain set of guaranteed rights to man, inalienable rights. Three, government exists to protect those inalienable rights. Four, governments and humans are expected to live by the moral law, known as the laws of nature and nature’s God. Five, there is the consent of the governed, all issues below and inalienable rights and moral laws. Six, if the government does not do the five things above you have the right to create a new government, to abolish and replace the government.

So, those are the six principles in the Declaration. And everything in the Constitution points to one of those. For example, article 5 is how you abolish and replace your government if you want. Constitutional amendments, if that won’t work you do what’s needed.

So we have all these provisions there and you go back to the principles of the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God is the moral code, that is the moral standard. Which is why up until even 15 years ago the U.S. Supreme Court did not call homosexuality a violation of Biblical law. It called it a violation of the laws of nature and therefore, it was called a crime against nature.

That’s why when you look at that standard that George Washington, John Adams, every Founding Father always tied religion and morality together. As George Washington said in his farewell address, “€œOf all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars”€

So Washington says you’re not a patriot if you try to remove religion and morality out of public life. You can’t do that. That’s what holds up the Constitution. So in that sense, you don’t get to just legislate anything that’s moral but anything that undermines morals in general, such as prostitution, something that violates the laws of nature and of Nature’s God. Those are things that are, we’ve always universally said, were wrong.

Prostitution always undermined marriage. When you undermine marriage you increase poverty, you increase violence in society, you increase educational illiteracy, and you increase drug use. Across the board, just too many studies to put out there.

I have a book called, “€œU-Turn“€ that George Barna and I did together. The numerous studies that go together when you reduce sexuality from a position as God said it should be, between a man and a woman inside of marriage, when you get outside of that, it has huge societal consequences.

So if you want a limited government, you have to uphold morality and morality are those things that are set forth in the laws of nature and nature’s God. So, yes, there is a place in constitutional government for that.

If you believe there’s not then you have just done the Democrat thing of saying that the Declaration of Independence has to be separated from the Constitution, which is how they justified slavery, which is how the pro-abortion people justify abortion. “€œThe Constitution doesn’t talk about abortion. That’s in the Declaration. We don’t do the Declaration.”€If you take the Declaration out you no longer have any foundation for your Constitution.

Rick:

Another quick break, we’ll be right back with one more question from the audience. Stay with us, you”€™re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Outro:

Thomas Jefferson said, “€œ In questions of power then let no more be heard of confidence in the man that bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”€

Constitution Alive

Have you ever wanted to learn more about the United States Constitution but just felt like, man, the classes are boring or it’s just that old language from 200 years ago or I don’t know where to start? People want to know. But it gets frustrating because you don’t know where to look for truth about the Constitution either.

Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. It’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders”€™ library where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

We call it the QuickStart guide to the Constitution because in just a few hours through these videos you will learn the Citizen’s Guide to America’s Constitution.  You’ll learn what you need to do to help save our Constitutional Republic. It’s fun! It’s entertaining! And it’s going to inspire you to do your part to preserve freedom for future generations. It’s called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. You can find out more information on our website now at WallBuilders.com.

Intro:

Thomas Jefferson said, “€œThe Constitution of most of our states and of the United States asserts that all power is inherent in the people that they may exercise it by themselves that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. That they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.”€

Did The Founders Create A Democracy

Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live, last segment today here on this Foundation of Freedom Thursday. That means one more question from the audience. This one comes from Brandon Hayes in Bend, Oregon.

He says, “€œThanks so much for educating, equipping, and inspiring us every single solitary weekday. I love WallBuilders Live and have been an active listener for almost a year now.”€

He continues, “€œI have a question regarding democracy in America. I know you guys have touched on this topic before but I’m looking for some clarification. I understand the Founders did not want to create a democracy. They were actually very much against it in the United States. They wanted to create a constitutional republic. While browsing along in Barnes and Noble I came across a book written by Condoleezza Rice entitled, Democracy.”€

He continues, “€œIn the introduction, she states that the Declaration does not use the term “€˜democracy”€™ but that is exactly what it describes. Initially, I did not know if I agreed with the statement. Could you shed some light on this subject, please? What does she mean? Thank you very much.”€

Rick:

Well, thank you, Brandon, for sending in the question, David?

David:

It’s definitely not a democracy. The Declaration doesn’t describe that because the Declaration talks about leaders. When you elect leaders you’re no longer a democracy. In a democracy, everyone votes on everything. The entire body of people is a plebiscite on every issue.

So instead of having 435 members of Congress cast a vote on what’s going to happen with immigration, we would have 330 million Americans go to the polls and vote on what happens with immigration. Instead of having the U.S. Senate cast a vote on what’s going to happen with religious liberty, we would have 330 million Americans go to the polls.

You had a Greek Republic but there was also the time it was a democracy, the people voted on everything. Democracies can work well in some places. For example, the Cantons in Switzerland, and our referendums are based on that model of the cantons in Switzerland. Referendums are about as close as we get to democracy. But at that point, you don’t need elected officials, the whole body of people vote on everything. That’s democracy.

A representative republic is one in which we choose representatives to represent the people. So instead of 330 million people going to Washington, we send 536. We send the president, we sent 100 senators, 435 reps, that’s our representatives.

So there is a huge difference between the two. Founding Fathers hated democracies because they did not have opportunity for debate and back and forth. John Adams called it “€œmob rule.”€ Benjamin Rush called it “€œmob-ocracy.”€

It’s what you see with Jesus and his final week, the week there as he goes at Passover in Jerusalem, as he goes into the city, they’re all shouting, “€œMake him king! Make him king!”€ They are throwing down palm fronds in front of him. A week later they say, “€œKill him. We want Barabbas.”€ That’s a democracy.

That’s why the Founding Fathers did not like it. It is a mob-ocracy, it is mob rule, it is the terms they use to describe it. So no, the Declaration of Independence did not describe a democracy. There’s nothing in there about all the people voting on everything all the time.

The Ten Commandments, Mob-Ocracy, And Regulating Morals, Thanks For Listening

From way back in 1619 we chose leaders, our first form of government was choosing leaders to represent us. We’ve been a republic and then a constitutional republic after we instituted constitutions in 1776 through 1787.

Rick:

Big difference between a constitutional republic and mob-ocracy or democracy. There’s more on that in our class that we did. David, I spent some time together there in the library and then out at Independence Hall, actually teaching the Constitution in that room. You can learn much more about all of those things in that Constitution Alive program. We have a link today on the Web site at WallBuilderslive.com, so you can get more information. Thanks so much for listening today to WallBuilders Live.

Outro:

Abraham Lincoln said, “€œWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts. Not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”€